According to Adam Kaplan, West Virginia quarterback Geno Smith will be visiting the Philadelphia Eagles today. He might be coming for more than just a visit. The Mountaineers signal caller could go through another workout with the Eagles coaches, which would make things very interesting.
The Birds have the fourth pick in the first round behind the Kansas City Chiefs who draft first, the Jacksonville Jaguars who are up second and the Oakland Raiders who are in the third spot.
Smith was in Kansas City yesterday working out for Andy Reid and the Chiefs.
Nobody is really sure about how all these teams feel about Smith and whether they will draft him so high in this year selection process.
Waste of a 1st round pick I think, but at least he passes the 26-27-60 rule.
EJ Manuel does not.
no helicopter following him from the airport like Gus Bradley to Jeffery’s mansion only to have Howie select Matt Barkley instead
I still have this feeling this is all a smoke screen for a possible trade. They have been so open about their interest with Geno this offseason and thats just not how the Eagles do business or Chip Kelly who hasn’t even been open about what kind of defensive scheme he will run. Chip is even being more secretive in regard to practices by making the move from Lehigh. Honestly, I think they surprise the shit out of all of us and select someone they barely have been talking to. Watch them draft Tavon Austin, regardless if they stay at 4 or move down a few spots.
Smart move by the eagles. I really hope they don’t select Geno, only because we have some bigger needs on the defense and O-Line. Hopefully their goal is just to make the 4th pick in the draft seem more valuable to QB needy teams who would be willing to spend more for the QB of the future. Plus they’ll have a good idea of what Geno Smith can and can’t do for when they have to game plan against him. Some say Geno Smith isn’t worthy of such a high pick, but the dude is a playmaker.
Bills sign Kolb for 2 Years $15 Million
Chiefs trade for Alex Smith and extend him to a 3 Year Deal
Raiders trade to obtain Matt Flynnm, then extend him on a 3 Year Deal
Cardinals obtain Carson Palmer and sign him to 2 Year Deal $15 Million
as well as acquired Drew Stanton from Colts who knows HC Arians system
Jets cannot do anything until Mark Sanchez is off their books due to Salary-Cap HIt and they are righ up against it until they dump Revis and his $15 Million Salary
Vikings sign Cassell to a 2 Year Deal to compete with Ponder
2 Teams have Starting QB’s out on a limb and are in their final Contract Season and don’t appear to be interested in re-signing them, that’s JAy Cutler with the Bears and Josh Freeman with the TB Bucs so both of these Teams will need a QB for 2014, but unlikely to give up alot in a Trade to move up to #4 to Draft Geno SMith and will look to Draft one in the 2ns3rd Rounds
This leaves 2 Legitimate Teams who would be interested in Geno Smith
and could possibly Select him with an early 1st Round PIck
The Cleveland Browns at #6 who have a New Owner, Front Office and Coaching Staff and are not tied to Brandon Weeden at all and the other Team is our Philadelphia Eagles who we all know that QB Vick is just a 1-Year Insurance QB..
The Teams that already went out and spent a lot of $$$ for QB’s are very unlikely to now use a Top Pick on QB.. The Money just doesn;t add up so I believe the Chiefs,Cardinals,Raiders,BIlls have address their short-term QB needs and will look to add a QB in the 2nd/3rd Rounds and address other areas of need on their Teams …
After witnessing the worst Eagles defense in history last couple of years, their first pick almost HAS to be defense doesn’t it?
There is no bigger need than figuring out who the QB will be. None. Teams can compete in the NFL with weakness in the secondary. Can compete with weakness in LB corps. Can even compete with weakness at some Oline positions (see Pitt, Indy, GB etc.)
Cannot compete with weakness at the QB position. Mike Vick, Dennis Dixon, Trent Edwards, and that other kid they signed off the scrapheap are all weak.
Nick Foles is unknown (though I think has a lot of promise)
Geno Smith and EJ manuel (or other draft picks) are also unknowns.
So lets look at the 3 most possible unknowns (names most bandied about)….Foles, Smith, Manuel
College stats:
Comp % – all 3 at 67% in college. Even
Starts: Smith 41, Foles 35, Manuel 26 Advantage Smith
Height: Smith 6′ 2″, Foles 6′ 5″, Manuel 6′ 5″ Advantage Foles and Mnuel
Weight: Smith 218, Foles 243, Manuel 237. Advantage Foles and Manuel
Hands: Smith 9 1/4, Foles 10 5/8, Manuel 10 3/8 Advantage Foles (didn’t Kely say this was important?)
40x: Smith 4.56, Foles 5.13, Manuel 4.65 Advantage Smith in the most overrated QB stat there is
NFL exp: Smith 0, Foles 7 games, Manuel 0. HUGE advantage Foles
Wonderlick Smith ??, Foles 29, Manuel ?? Advantage Foles for now (I have read Smith will do well, but manuel……)
TD% Smith 6.7%, Foles 4.7%, Manuel 5%. Advantage Smith – however I’d like to add this caveat. Of Smith’s 42 tds this year, 17 came against the awesome trio of Baylor, James Madison and Marshall….I am quite confident I (in my youth) could have tossed a couple against those sorry squads, so I think his numbers are inflated a bit)
Int % Smith 1.4%, Foles 2.4%, Manuel 3.1% (red flag there). Advantage Smith….but again….who did he play?
Competition: Smith TCU?, Texas Tech?, Cinci I suppose, Foles Oregon, Stanford, USC, Cal, and NFL teams, EJ Manuel Florida, Clemson, The U, BC. Huge advantage for Foles here, on top of the vastly superior conference he had to compete against, he’s actually faced and performed well against NFL teams.
Conclusion…..
Based on college alone…Smith seems like a slightly superior prospect than Foles….but not much….and enough to use a top 5 pick on him when Foles is on the roster already? Stupid move.
If Smith could be had in the 3rd, fine….but he can’t, so he’d be a waste of a pick.
Based on both college and NFL exp, Foles is currently a vastly superior prospect than Manuel.
Of course…..that’s all out the window depending how much Kelly values the (in my view) completely overrated 40 yrd time for a QB.
Now that Star has passed his medical tests, in which his so-called heart issue, was debunked as being caused by a virus, I have no doubt he is our pick. Dude is a beast, & can play both the NT on passing downs, & will be a beast opposite Cox, as the 5 technique DE! He’s what Kelly said he wants, Big & versatile!
I wouldn’t mind Star as our pick at 4. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was the pick either since there hasn’t been that much open talk about him from the Eagle Organization. I doubt this pick will be what most are expecting. Its just not their style. And like I said above don’t be shocked if the pick is Tavon Austin. Im not saying that would be what I would do, I just think its what Chip will do.
I happen to agree with the guy that posted above ^^^ Star may be the pick. I do think that theyre high on Geno but alot of this is a smoke screen too just drumming up interest to deflect from the direction they will ultimately go and thats defense. According to one of my sources, Star Lou will be coming in for a visit in the next days/weeks leading up to the draft. He had a great workout and is completely cleared by doctors. So I can see him being the pick pairing him with Fletcher Cox on the Dline in a 3-4, theyd wreck havoc and would be a formidable duo for the next 8-10 years
40 yard tinme is not overrated at all .. you idiot
aaron rodgers 4.7
big ben 4.7
peyton manning 4.8
drew brees 4.8
flacco 4.7
luck 4.6
wilson 4.5
Foles 5.13 *** its very much so a concern
Its completely overrated. All I see is statues winning SBs every year including this year. Thats all I give a damn about. I swear some people on here would rather see a QB break a run for an 80 yard td on sports center then see one that actually wins SBs.
Flacco, Eli, Peyton, Brees, Brady= all play with their arms not legs. Those are the type of Qbs that hold up the Lombardi every year. Rodgers will run for a first down here and there when he gets bored of killing defenses with his arm. But he is clearly a dominant passer in the league.
Until QBs like Kap and Rg3 start winning multiple SBs year in and out then stop with the 40 talk for QBs because its just stupid.
Not saying I wouldn’t take Kap or RG3 on my team, (because there is no doubt that those guys can throw a pass), but I would just prefer to stick with the proven formula of what actually wins SBs.
I see teams winning SB every year….
Colin Kaepernick had the far superior team this year and lost. Most of the guys on Ravens defense, like Ray Lewis owe their SB bonuses to Flacco. You couldn’t find Lewis on the field until he was acting like his usual media whore self after the game.
Flacco was catching passes and blocking too?
Unreal you just don’t get it qb’s get WL stats… We all know its a team game but it’s common knowledge that qb is the single most important positions in sports
They don’t do it alone but the prototypical qb seems to be the one holding the lombardi ….I know you don’t like it nor accept it but it’s the truth
I know the QB is the most important position…but bottom line is it is a team game…had the WR’s dropped a few passes and the O Line failed to protect on some passing situations, I guarantee that Flacco wouldn’t have been as successful…Do you get that?
No he was too busy winning MVP
No, Flacco was not catching passes and blocking – he was using the skills of of the guys who do catch passes and block.
Unlike the Michael Vick type QBs, Flacco doesn’t waste the skills of the other players by tucking the ball under his arm every chance he gets.
Brady and Flacco and Brees understand that the football moves down-field faster and more effectively if it’s in the hands of someone who catches passes. Vick is still talking about rushing for 1000 yards…
Yeah, what he said!
When Vick said he could rush for 1000 yards with Kelly it said it all about him as a player, person and loser
who’s talking about Vick here? The conversation is about if Flacco wins games by his lonesome, or if he has some WR’s that make plays and an O Line that keeps him comfortable..I recall a few big receptions by Boldin in the SB.
Nobody said he won it alone… We know your stance and always defend Vick by saying he can’t do it alone or the system is to blame
You cats are like hoes…jump back and forth to the next best thing …Now a lot of folks believe the Ravens won’t be as good as they were this year coming up…So if Flacco won the SB this year all by him lonesome, he should be able to do it again in 2013….correct? Regardless if his team has digressed as a whole, correct?
OK OK OK…whatever you clowns say.
They play with their brains. Then their arms. Then their legs as a last resort.
40 yrd time is completely overrated…but while we’re on the topic for QBs…
– seems like you left out a few of the SB winning QBs of recent years…
Tom Brady 5.28
Manning I 4.9
Manning II 4.92
Brees 4.83
BTW – Flacco ran a 4.86 at the combine…..
Do you know what the difference .25 seconds makes over an average QB run?
About 1/3 of a yard.
But that’s a really important 1/3 of a yard of course.
I would gladly trade, release, or drive Vick to the airport for one of them players. But guess what they aint available. You keep comparing Vick to the elite QBs, hes not a elite QB we get it. We also understand that Kelly signed Vick and is bringing in all these QBs because he thinks Foles stinks and cant run his offense and if he liked Foles he would of tailored his offense to Foles and still wouldn’t have signed Vick. But guess what he signed Vick and brought in 50 QBs.Obviously he doesn’t feel some slow ass dopic looking, lumbering, non-athletic 3rd round reach is suited for his dynamic offense. Don’t believe me? Go to eagle.com and look up the QB depth chart.
He signed Vick and brought in a bunch of other QBs, but Nick Foles is still the closest thing he has to a good NFL QB. Maybe you haven’t noticed, but some slow ass dopic looking, lumbering, non-athletic QB won the last 47 super bowls. Go look that up.
Unreal you say the next best thing… The originally comment was about how statue like qb’s win…that’s not the next best thing that’s established….
More statue QB’s in the NFL than there are mobile QB’s…so when you consider the odds, its a little more likely a statue QB wins the SB…Did Kapernick lose the game for the 49ers? or was the team as a whole responsible? had the 49ers defense held a play or two…a statue wouldn’t have won the SB…
Unfortunately kap is 0-1 in the SB as j. Kelly is 0-4… I’m not saying its right but that is how qb’s are measured
BTW I do believe a mobile qb will win one sooner or later
Unreal you keep saying ‘what about the other players? Everyone knows its a team game and qb gets too much credit with a win and too much blame in a loss but that’s the REALITY..it’s also why they get the big bucks and the hottest cheerleader
And Real you keep ignoring Irish’s earlier point.
The “statue” QBs win precisely because they do everything in their power to give the ball to the other players on the team who are more dynamic.
This is something Vick never learned to do as I’ve shown on here he does his thing 25% of the time every time a pass is called. That is no way for a “team” to win (as you keep espousing). Tom Brady, who hates to do anything with the ball himself, and instead gives it to his teammates in positions to flourish is a much better team football player than a guy who “does what he does” 25% of the time.
I get that a lot of guys on here think 40 times are important for a QB.
That leg speed is important.
Well, brain speed is much more important than leg speed.
Brain speed will trump Foot spped every day of the week.
And what I saw from Foles, greater than any throw, greater than any scramble, was that he knew what he was doing on the field. He was a rook and they was running all that they threw at him. That, more than any physical skills, was most impressive……
and much better than watching you know who walk up to the line knowing he has no clue what is about to happen.
Now, if Smith, or Manuel or whoever can come in and learn the O as fast as Foles did, then bring them in. Its the #1 thing I care about for a QB.
If they can’t – then fuck off, I’m done watching clueless idiots head to the line, look confused and then run around trying to compensate.
I thought that last comment would have elicited some responses!
Man I tell ya, I’m just shocked that this has turned into another vick discussion. It never ceases to amaze me the level of arrogance and entitlement of some. Again, the usual suspects.
And the individual that claimed Kap had the better team, somehow suggesting the ravens weren’t; please. That raven defense made some of thokelite qbs look very pedestrian. It’s always been about talent. Not this coded pocket vs mobile bullshit. The reason for the skewed numbers for the former has as much to do with history and institutional biases. I don’t think I need to give a history lesson here. Pro football is still run and managed by men who don’t all think out the box and are slow to change.
Instead of going with the guy with the better talent the old nfl hcs and upper brass would retread has been qbs or the “obvious” pick like flynn or kolb. Guys like Russell Wilson would be urged or made to play wr or cb even when they showed the ability to play from the pocket. Kudos to the coaches who say fuck the old way of thinking and take the better player. The nfl is finally catching up with the college game.
Oakland has Terrelle Pryor on their roster & Buffalo tried retread Vince Young last pre-season — who is a black QB being denied?
Football takes 24 players, equipment, a large field, insurance and many hours of adult supervision to develop a QB. In the last 20 years that money finally trickled down to black youth programs. You ignore the Money it takes to run youth football which is now more accessible to all communities. These black kids of the 70s and 80s couldn’t afford football cleats, now those same areas parents are buying them fancy under armour pads and 2 pairs of cleats -artificial and real turf shoes at the same time.
Anyone that knows anything about football would tell you the Niners were clearly the more superior team. The Ravens were the underdogs in every playoff game they played, including the Super Bowl. ANd when you just look at the rosters its not even close. Please just stop the BS. BTW Ravens gave up almost 500 yards in SB. ANd Manning, Brady, and even Luck played well against them. Look up the stats and stop posting garbage that makes you look completely full of shit. Ravens won because FLacco put up Montana numbers end of story.
Yes, kudos to the coaches that say fuck the old way. YEs that old way just wins Superbowls every year but yes kudos LMAO…And yes the NFL must be catching up to the college game because the read option has won so many Superbowls recently. You got it all figured out buddy.
Coldbrewski, the only half appealing about what you post is your name, after listening to your nonsense I could drown about 10 cold brews, you are an idiot, stuck in old times, ever here of affirmative action, it permeates in the nfl for profit, mike Vick still has a job because he’s black, if you are black and have talent, even not as much as the average white qb, you will be promoted, just ask nick foles,
As usual Eos you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. What the hell does Terrell Pryor and inner city blacks affording cleats have to do with any of my previous post? Pryor hasn’t proven anything. I personally don’t see much of an nfl future for him pocket ir mobile system. Clears and being poor has nothing to do with historically denying certain qbs opportunities because they don’t look like Brady. Your ignorance is beyond nauseating.
Matt Flynn “Oakland Raiders” & Kevin Kolb “Buffalo Bills” you called these two organizations bigots– who are the current non white QBs being denied by these franchises? They both gave Black QB chances last year- Terrelle Pryor and Vince Young. I don’t believe either of these organizations are racist– i believe the increase in non white QBs is the result of more available equipment at the youth level.. –” Not your ridiculous thinking outside the box comment”—- More kids are reaching high school with quarterback experience and more kids are playing football in high school from areas who previously did not have football equipment to even offer kids a chance to participate. If you are going to call out the Oakland Raiders and the Buffalo Bills , where are your facts? Who? Names?
Yup Pheags88 the ravens got to the sb on an affirmative action mandate. All the other afc playoff teams felt sorry for ray Lewis and his flock and let them win.
Wow really? I think you are the one that is obsessed with race from your posts but hey thats your fucking problem.
Have you ever watched sports? does it ever occur to you that the best team in sports doesn’t always win? It happens all the time. The niners have much better players across the board. Any unbiased football fan could easily see that. And like I said the ravens were underdogs in every game. Even the freaking Colts were favored against them. But you don’t use facts because you are full of shit.
The Eagles had the better roster when they lost to the Bucs in NFC champ. The Heat had the better roster when they lost to the Mavs in the Finals. Phillies were better when the lost to the Cards. You ever watch March Madness? Much better rosters lose to low seeds all the time. Esp when it all comes down to one game and not a series like the NFL is. This is nothing new. Its called Sports.
Jake your last comment is at least consistent. You’re an ahole bigot who only. Sees racism as some reverse benefit. You are what you are. The rest are a bunch of bitch cowards.
Reverse black benefit.
Stfu coldbrewski, learn something, before you call me a bigot understand something, affirmative action is a positive thing in most realms of society, I have personally benefited from it, it exists in sports not because of societal good but because of owner greed.
Stop complaining, get off the coach, get a degree or two, run a 4.4 forty, see how the world will open up for you.
Haha cold one , nice
Eos not only do you know absolutely nothing, but you’re also a liar. Nowhere did I state those two organizations were bigots. I would “try” this again with you but I fear it’s pointless. Your history on this site speaks for itself.
there is only one person on the site which I desire to know who I’ve yet to identify and it’s not you.
Nice try Jake. But you’re still a bigoted ahole. Enough of the social commentary. “Learn something” your previous shtick suits you better. You have more than enough enablers on this site. But hey, I hear they’re starting a white qb reverse racism lawsuit. Should help you sleep better. No phuc yourself.
The only reason I believe that the BIlls signed Kolb, and the Raiders traded for Flynn and the Cardinals aquired Palmer is that these 3 Organizations do not feel there is a Franchise QB in this Draft worthy of their Top Draft Pick.. These Teams will probably use a 2nd or 3rd Rounder on the next Tier of QB’s whether thats EJ Manuel, Ryan Nassib, Landry Jones, Tyler WIlson or Tyler Bray and are very unlikely to be interested in Geno Smith/Matt Barkely
As I mentioned in some other Posts, the Only Teams in the Top 10 who I see as possibly interested in Geno Smith are the Eagles & Browns and Geno & Barkely could fall to about 15-20th in the Draft..
Can someone please explain this to me. The funny thing is Geno Smith is better than every QB on all them rosters. from Foles, Vick to Kolb to Flynn. He just isn’t a top 10 QB. If you would stick all them QBs in the draft Geno Smith would clearly be the best out of all of them. Foles was projected to go from the 3rd to the 5th round am I correct. So naturally {Geno Smith) is projected to go late 1st so surely that is a major upgrade common sense tells me. Same thing vs Flynn etc. If the Eagles have the 26th pick I expect that pick to be a pro bowl day 1 starter also. When did we start saying late 1st round picks aren’t any good? That’s where Smith is projected and clearly a upgrade for the Eagles so whats the big deal? We have a old QB and a 3rd to 5th round talent in Foles. Did you just upgrade the most important position on the team?
A lot of Eagle fans are high on Nick Foles (which is fine, everyone has their own opinion) and he was a 3rd to 5th round talent. Geno Smith is a late 1st round talent I dunno seems like a major upgrade to the most important position on the field to me. What do I want a 1st round talent or a 3rd to 5th round talent? Just sayin.
Tom Brady is a sixth round talent and Brees I think was second… By your logic the pats and the saints should draft smith
Go with the odds not the one in a millions. Trust me its more successful.. I will name you 500 1st round gems to your handful of late rounders. Don’t wanna go there.
It was your logic, not mine… I use the word logic loosely. You fail to mention the leafs, Akili smiths, Russell’s of the first round. Top ten qb’s are special people not first round reaches
Brees was 1st pick in second round and Brady was ummmmm Brady.lol Look at NFL and name me top 10 QBs and you will see a common theme they are all 1st round picks. Franchise QBs are 1st round picks. Look back in history franchise QBs 1st round picks. Russell Wilson who knows he may be next gem. So it happens every now and then.
How do you know he is better than anybody when he hasn’t played a fucking down of NFL football yet? All anybody can do is look at what we know. AND what we know is that when he played against good teams in College he folded. Great he can light up teams like MArshall and James Madison, a lot of nobodys can. I guess that does it for some people tho, but yet those same people ignore what happened when he played quality competition. I said I would be fine if they drafted the guy in the second. But no fucking way do i want a player at 4 that folds and sucks it up once he plays against some good other players. Why is that so fucking hard to understand…its actually pretty simple logic.
I just want the best player overall at 4. Any true Eagles fan does. Not a reach just cause we need a QB. Yea ask the Vikings and Titans how that worked out. Those teams right there is evidence for why you don’t just take QBs in the top 10 that are rated for the bottom of the first round.
Relax dude I aint picking. I have no bearing on the pick. Just playing the other side. For every Ponder and Garrett you throw out there I will tell you Aaron Rogers at 26. My point is a late 1st round pick shouldn’t be a reach either.IMO.
Great.
First Narwoki (or whatever his name was) shreds Geno. Now Mike Mylock basically tossed him under another bus. “”I couldn’t take Geno Smith in the top 10, probably (not) the top 20,” he said. “I can’t stand this whole quarterback class.”
Lost of negative press on this guy…. Is there fire to go with that smoke? I dunno, but I don’t think there are going to be any teams willing to use a top 10 pick on him.
Eagles tried to hang on too long through 2011/12 and are paying for it.
They now have a top 4 pick in a year when:
A – there is no QB anyone says is worth that pick, or who a team wants to trade up for
B – Several teams (most notably the Raiders with no picks and no cap room) and the Jags (with holes everywhere) more than willing to trade down, thus weakening the trade market.
Lets review:
Teams ahead of the Eagles more than willing to trade down, and no player anyone wants to trade up for. Grrrreat. I doubt the Eagles’ will trade down…or if they do…..they’re not going to get good value.
Fantastic.
And people still think I was wrong back after the 2010 season when I espoused trading Vick for 2 firsts (offered) and keeping Kolb….the franchise would have been much further ahead today.
Instead, Birds stuck in this terrible twilight zone…..only responsible choice is one of the 3 OTs (and no I don’t know which one….nor does anyone here….the historical odds tell us 2 of the 3 will be good, and 1 will be a bust…….. As the fat man sings, “2 out of 3 ain’t bad”…flip a coin
If geno smith were drafted last year he would be a third round pick behind nick foles
Geno smith has happy feet, he can run but is a pocket qb, terrible instincts, nick foles is far better, but don’t be surprised if Lurie drafts him at 4, in fact I am calling it like I have before , Lurie wants geno smith
If I were nick foles I’d be damn pissed, all these damn bums they bring in here after what he showed, hey nick, hit the tanning salon you will have your shot then with Lurie