There have been a couple of reports that the Eagles worked out Oklahoma offensive tackle Lane Johnson. Johnson is big and very athletic. He ran the 40 yard dash in 4.72 seconds.
He’s ranked as the third offensive tackle in this draft behind Texas A&M’s Luke Joeckel and Central Michigan’s Eric Fisher. who posted one of the fastest offensive tackle 40 yard dash times in the history of the NFL Combine. The offensive tackle who started at Oklahoma as a tight end, then a defensive end is a very athletic offensive lineman which could impress the Eagles.
Johnson played left tackle this past year in Norman, Oklahoma after playing right tackle in 2011.
Lane Johnson is the most Talented OT with the most NFL upside
Potential for Pro-Bowl Status and Career in this Draft
He has the Athleticism, Agility to be the best Fit at OT out of this Draft
to be able play in HC Kelly’s up-tempo pace right away..
I disagree Eric Fisher hands down……
I have stated this all off-season, that Eric Fisher was as good, or better than Luke Joeckel, and some, like Mike Mayock, are JUST getting it….GMCliff has been way ahead of you, for months Mayock, and Kiper!!!!!!
Lane Johnson, may be 3rd best, but only as a RT in my opinion.
I stated Fisher is a better NFL Prisoect than Joeckel since late December
GMCliff, I love his attitude and the way he finishes his blocks and looks to dominate his opponent.. I believe he may go #1 Overall to the Chuefs
Joeckel is the most refined OT and a pure tactician, but I question his motor
A bit and would prefer Jahonson over Joeckel is off the Board which may be the case when Eagkes select at #4 and remember whichever OT the Eagles Deaft will be playing RT main e Peters will the LT for the next 2-3 Seasons anyways..
i didn’t know who Fisher was until G wrote an article Senior Bowl week saying he’d be more than pleased if the Eagles selected him.
This has nothing to do with the article but I don’t think the eagles go o-line at #4. You guys know that this draft is deep with lineman this year. I think they go star if he is there. It just makes sense they still need that other DE opposite of cox. Plus can swing inside and play NT from time to time he’s very versatile up and down that line
Many people are counting Danny Watkins out, but I think he rebounds and becomes a good player. Not great but good, he just didn’t fit Mudd’s system for whatever reason.
danny watkins is not an NFL player — no agility & and too slow to recognize what is happening with stunts & blitzes
Danny Watkins played Tackle in college and the geniuses here made him a guard. That could be part of his struggle too. You give me a line of Watkins RT, Herremans RG, Kelce center(although he might be too small for kelly we shall see) Mathis LG, and Peters LT. That’s a good offensive line you can then draft for depth.
He isn’t a right tackle in the pros Diddy. At the senior bowls, and the combine, they worked him out as a guard, and at center, because he doesn’t have the quickness to deal with an NFL pass rush. He didn’t handle it very well as a Guard either. He was overdrafted, Mayock, Kiper, and McShay , made one of many mistakes over the years in hyping him.
I agree 100% about Watkins being an NFL Guard and not OT,
He does not have the lateral quickness or strong lower base to hold up at OT
But I do Agree with pdiddy that Watkins will rebound with new OL Coach and be a pretty Guard for the Eagles. I believe many of you fail to realize how the death of Farrett Reid affected Watkins, they were very close and GR kinda of took Watkins under his wings as far as a workout buddy and friend off the field as they spent a lot of time together out of the NovaCare Ctr and I believe strongly that Watkibs was sent for a loop on the news of Garrett’s death and just lost focus and desire and was in shock for a while for most of the Season
I love how paulman and company talk as if there NFL scouts. The shit bags me up… U don’t kno shit until the REAL scouts throw out there top 50 picks and top ranked in there’s respective positions.. Gtf outta here. I also remember reading when Nate Allen was drafted paulman claiming the dude would be a stud. Here’s the deal. Watch the professionals on tv. And keep it that way. You dumbasses can’t evaluate these guys by watching there highlight reels on youTube. #fuknLames
Hey, dickhead, it’s called forming informative opinions, based off of watching alot of college games, in which Paul, gmcliff, others, & myself, do. Not watching youtube clips. You don’t need to be a pro scout to see, who possibly will be good, or not. If you know the game, you know the game. Instead of insulting people, why don’t you bring something to the conversation, like ideas, thoughts, & suggestions, as to how to improve the team! If you don’t like it, you GTFO!!!! Go back to twitter, where you can think you’re cool, where it’s the in thing to use hashtags. ####Fukn@$$miner###
My take on Bate Allen was pretty accurate actually,
I stated that he’s a pure Free safety and best when playing the Center Field position in a cover 2 Scheme where he can use his ball skills,
He is not and was never thought as an in the box,Physical Player.. He would look much better if he were paired with am true Strong Safety where Allen could hang back and concentrate on Pass-Defense which is what he does best, unfortunately the Eaglas have had neither the last few seasons between different schemes, DC’s& Secondary Coaches, not 1 player has looked good
I think Allen paired with a healthy Kenny Phillips will do wonders for his game
Then Chung and Draft pick as back-ups for 2013..
Silencer, I’m sure glad the eagles scouts knew what they have been doing over the past 3 drafts, thanks for the reminder, I feel better now
Good points gm and Paul. i just don’t think we have to go o line at 4 tho. We have good players at each position now. The average age of our o line is still young. Plus with gamble helping our draft we can find good players in the later rounds
Yeah, but I don’t agree with Paul, on this point. I don’t think Danny Watkins is a good player PDiddy, as a Guard. I would move him to Center to back up Kelce.
We need a RT, so unless the Eagles sign someone, it should be Eric Fisher.
If they do, we need OLB’s, my choice would be Ansah…
not drafting Lane, no reason to comment on him
Its a possibility, but it would be a mistake, when your in play for Eric Fisher. Make a deal to get a second 1st Rounder, and move down a bit for more picks in the later Rounds.
Maclin, Mathis, Watkins, Cole, Graham and future #1’s should be used to get the players they want…They will need OLB’s for pass rush because they don’t have one in my opinion, not Barwin, Graham, or Cole can get the job done.
Trading future first round draft picks is such a bad idea man. Esp with this type of draft we have here, which is deep on high quality players but short on elite superstars. If there was a Luck, RG3, or Revis in this draft then sure but no way in hell do you trade your future first round picks to add more number 1 picks in this draft. The difference in quality between the top 40 players is not major as it usually is. I honestly wouldn’t be mad if Chip traded our 1st rounder this year for an extra high second this year and a an extra first rounder for next year. That way the Eagles will be fully equipped to trade up next year if they are not in reach for a franchise QB. Fact is its going to take years for the Eagles to be rebuilt into NFC championship contenders. Reid fucked this team up big time.
No future #1 Picks, that’s a terrible move for long-term Success
Trade some Veteran Players with later Rounmd Draft Picks for mid-round picks I am good to go with, but no go on Future 1st Rounders
Thats what Im saying Paulman, trading future first round picks for more picks in this draft is something the Raiders would do.
My opinion hasn’t cahnged. TRhey have nothing of real value to get the players that they need, You could trade those players , but you will draft mediocrity in the meantime.
The Future draft picks added to what the Eagles can offer could possibly return you a 1st Round pick, and you get rid of mediocrity in the process. We will agree to disagree, Paul, but it’s the only way they will get value, on a trade like that……
Pst Teams are in same boat GMCliff and are trying to build their Teams back up with High Draft Choices too, how many Teams are in the Narket to say hey Eagkes here are our 1st Round Picks for your Future 1st Round picks, Coaches, GM’s all around the NFL are trying to build winners too.. So I just don’t see it being realistic..
My only point Paul was the USE of future 1st Rounders, IN ADDITION, to trading players like Graham, Cole, Mathis, oe Maclin, WOULD enhance the value of any deal.
I know GM’s want to build winners, and having 1st Rounders is a security, Your point is valid. I get that. But it isn’t like, some GM’s, haven’t seen the need to utilize those picks, if there were prospects that they really felt would help the franchise.
The Eagles need more than one draft pick, in each round; at least up to the 5th Round. I think there is talent deep into the draft, but the deeper you go, the lesser the impact. A deal needs to be made to get, the impact we need, and trading down a number of times afterwards would be smart.
But to my point, using future #1’s, (for every other year), ALONG WITH, current player that have to go, would sweeten a deal to achieve that. Then our personal mocks for the Eagles become more realistic. Which would secure their future as SuperBowl Contenders. They should think about it, because we need more impact by building through the draft.
This workout solidifies it. Eagles will be taking the best ot available period
If Eagles trade down from #4 to let’s say #8 (Bills) thane
OT lane Johnson is right there most likely to Draft
On a side note, Raiders finally release ILB R McClain who has been a bust for them out of Alabama from a couple Years back. He’s still young and has size,
Maybe they bring him in for a look as a ILB to pair up with Ryan’s and spoke Kendrick’s to the outside, low risk-high reward pick-up and if his head isn’t focused, then no real loss
No Thanks to McClain……….
Bring him, Maybe OL Stoudtkand can give Eagles good insight on McClains motor and potential, the guy was a stud at Alabama but has underperformed since joining the Raiderms (like a lot of other players)
I rather have McClain even with his baggage as a Back-Up ILB and Soecial Teamer than Natthews, Chaney, very little downside in talk king and checking him out..6-4″ 250lbs, only 24-25 Years old, maybe he just needs a change of Scenery and could end up as a productive Player with little risk or $$$ tied up??
no
McClain is an underachieving mutt! No way! No how! No thanks!
Johnson and Fisher are really good players but people are over analyzing and putting them ahead of Joeckle. Luke has that strength you need on top of enough mobility that these former qb’e/TE converted to OT. when I watched Luke play if he gets his hands on you its game over. Johny football would be in the pocket for 6 or 7 sec on plays and DE would still be fighting trying to get free from the initial contact. A&M was uptempo I don’t remember Joeckle gasping for air. last I checked Orlando Pace and other great HOF lineman didn’t need to run a 4.7. that’s like putting value on how much a qb bench presses if that’s the case Brady Quin would be an all-pro. Joeckle dominated the SEC nobody has his resume, yet senior bowl practice drills and guys running around in tights hold more value? please let him fall to 4
I think Joeckel will be a good, solid OT in the NFL, I am not so sure
Of his his “Physicality” for he appears a little timid at times and relies more on Technique than just being the agressor that Eric Fisher is.
Remember that the Eagles Fans and Media are not for everyone and I see Joeckel struggling with the high expectations of playing in a major market with rabid fans being from Texas.. He’s very efficient, but lacks the fire and hasty attitude that Fisher brings, Fisher plays OT like a Defensive Player, he goes right after you and wants to dominate and punish his defensder and I don’t see this in Joeckel who plays a “quiet” OT
Paulman, don’t overlook the quality competition Fisher went up against week after week. Much poorer than what Joeckel faced week after week. Joeckel also played for a rabid fan base throughout his college career. Don’t think Philly would be a problem for him. Im just saying for every concern there is about Joeckel there is probably more about Fisher. Fisher went up against nobody in college, he should have dominated without question. Staley worked out to be a great pro but that doesn’t automatically mean Fisher will be elite too.
Ryan Clady ( Boise State) Jake Long ( Michigan ) is a similar comparison.
Colin Kaepernick’s small school status (Nevada ) was ignored as was his superior senior bowl week for big school QBs from Missouri, Washington and Florida State.
Playing in a tough conference is not the only measuring stick we can all find exceptions but it help. Boise state play tough out of conference opponents and the year Clady played we seen him play on the big stag against the big boys. not saying that Fisher can’t, but technic will take you farther than attitude and normally the quiet guy is probably the meanest. The qb comparison of Kapernick is not strong for one qb is different that OT secondly Kaepernick wasn’t avoided he got drafted in the second RD. He plays for a team that runs the ball well and plays D has leaders in place its a great situation for a young QB. The book is still out on how good he is as a passer and all around player. I love mean o-lineman like Fisher, but when you cut the tape on and watch DE after DE being engulfed and swinging like a child to get free for 5 sometimes 6 sec and the qb running around like chicken with his head cut off, then running no huddle how can you say Fisher or Lane is a better fit for philly and what we are trying to do? Bc one guy ran a 4.7? You can be mean and nasty all you want but if you cant anchor yourself or move guys or run plays you are toast. Philly fans will get Fisher then complain about not being able to pick up short yardage. He misses assignment’s and is not a great run blocker. at 4 I don’t want that better off taking Wolmack after trading down.
TUSHAY, NUGREEMBOL!!!
Best player available. That’s all the Eagles need to be concerned about when selecting at #4. We have holes on this team. Many of them. So best player available and take him. No more reaching for bullshit have potential guys. I’m done with that shit
Fisher
Joeckel
Floyd
Milliner
is the order I would draft if name was Howie Roseman Eagle GM. I lean towards CB with the 35th pick and OG with the 3rd rounder.
Word up in “Duckland” is that Kelly is going with all Oregon PLayers in his first Draft as EWagles HC to reaffirm his keen eye on Talent to help pay those Players and Program back for Playing for him at the University of Oregon
1st Rd (#4) – DE/OL Dion Jordan
2nd Rd (#35) – OT/Guard Kyle Long
3rd Rd (#66) – LB Kiko Alonso
4th Rd (#101) – RB Kejon Barner
This will go down as the “Duck Class” though some other Fans will call it something else that rhymes with Duck… Read them and Weep..
That would be dumb, considering that not all of them, would be impacts as pros. The only impact potentially on your list is Dion Jordan, and even that isn’t a guarantee,
Though i want one of those 3 TOP OT’s who knows who we will draft but we have Kopa Ed Wang maybe Chip knows what he has in those players so maybe he may not draft OT until in the late rounds. We have no clue in knowing but also we didnt pick up a FA like Winston or Clabo so we could still be in play for a OT or logical move Drop down get Lane Johnson an get an extra 2 or 3 pick i think our logical trade partner could be Miami.
I still think O line is the smart pick. Kelly has some basis here for a decent offense but not if Watkins and Heremans are back on the right side. Herremans is a good OG and a mediocre OT. OT is the best pick at this point. I don’t think Milliner or Lotulelei give you enough impact at #4. Jordan just doesn’t make sense. Graham was a #13 pick. He has to be your starter at Leo going forward or it was a waste of a pick. Cole and Curry should play RDE for now. A NT can be found in the middle rounds. I would be ok with Floyd but that renders Cole and Curry pretty much useless. Cole is just about done anyway and Curry is probably just a back up.
Graham was a wasted pick…Thats old news..
Gm…He bounced back enough last year that you need to give him one more chance in the last year of his deal. He has a lot to play for and he is a decent kid. I never liked the pick either, but why all this venom towards him? I think you just see what you have with your OLBs this year before you go spending a top five pick on Jordan. And he projects as a SAM by the way and had 4.5 sacks last year. Whoopty fucking Dooo!!! I do not want a guy that was not sacking QBs left and right with a top five pick. Talk about a waste! I agree with you that O line is the only logical choice, but they will probably pick Geno so I can be pissed off again just like when they hired Kelly and Billy Davis.
What’s up JBird!!……….. So, if Graham fails in this experiment, which I expect him to. what can the Eagles get in return? Can thry get anything in return for their optimism?…No…..He gets no chances from me. I can bring in a rookie, and let him make his mistakes this year, and groom a potential All-Pro, instead of, compromising a year w/ Graham, and get nothing in return……I WOULD TRADE HIM……….
Gm….I am so tired of bust pass rushers that it terrifies me for the Eagles to pick one. The best pass rushers they have had in my time have been FAs (Claude Humphries, Hugh Douglass, William Fuller, Kearse) and late round surprises (Clyde Simmons, Trent Cole, Dereck Burgess) or some guy they picked up in a supplemental draft back in 1985 (Reggie something). I mean my expectations are HUGE Gm. 4th pick in the draft?? Minimum 14-18 sacks every year for the next seven years after your rookie year and at least 8-10 this year.
That’s not going to happen JBird.. 14-18 Sacks per Year
What did JPP do last year Sack Wise.. What will JJ Watt do next Season once Teams figure out to slow him up..
Give me a 2-3 Players along the DL that can get 8-10 Sacks per Year consistently and then a couple of more players ..like some Rotational DL, Pass-Rushing LB’s,& Safeties with a couple a piece
There is no dominant Type of DE/OLB’s Player in this Draft..
Jarvis Jones, Bark Mingo will probably shine the most their Rookie Seasons with D Jordan,E Ansah,M Hunt & D Jones will all need a year or 2 to Adjust to the NFL Game..
Oline is the only logical pick.
I would prefer Eric Fisher, Lane Johnson with their 1st Pick whether they Draft at #4 or slide down a couple spots.. Either one will be a Day 1 Starter at RT
And then slide Herrenabs back to Guard and compete with Watkins/Mathis
Then Draft a Center/Guard in the 4th/5t Rounds
In the 2nd & 3rd Rounds, I go DT/NT and CB and then in 5th-7th Rounds I go LB, TE, Safety & DE to round it out
Eagles really need to obtain another 2nd & 3rd Rounder if they could package some players or slide Back from #4 Pick, but I just don’t see many Teams looking to move up to the Top 10 in this Draft since it really doesn’t have a Franchise QB, WR or RB in it. The Best Value Picks are from about 20-80 where there are many good Pkayers, but not impact players which this Draft Class just lacks from Top to Bottom, so you may as well grab as many Top 3rd/4th Rounds Selections as you can..
I would be happy with either Eric Fishure or Geno Smith. I think Smith will prove a lot of people wrong. Why settle for a project like EJ Manuel if you’re using a 2nd round pick on him. That pretty much eliminates the fact that you can draft a QB in next years draft by using a 2nd rounder.
I know everyone wants that impact player but whats more important than the QB? its still very possible to find a impact player in the 2nd round. I know Smith isnt that popular pick but with a combo like Shady McCoy, Bryce Brown and Desean Jackson and in a system with Chip Kelly its going to help him develope a lot.
The problem is that Geno Smith isn’t impact. Your forced to reach for him, and Manual, because thats what some are saying is the best available. But neither are impact.
Our selection should be Eric Fisher if they don’t sign another RT. If they do Defense should be a priority. Settling for Manual would be no different than settling for Smith – THERE BOTH GONNA STINK AS PRO’S….I wouldn’t drat either one.
Andre Smith & Eric Winston must be asking for the moon? There was speculation that the Eagles poked initial tires with Sebastian Vollmer’s agent nothing serious, I wonder if they had conversations with Smith and Winston?
They are E0S. Thats why they haven’t signed anywhere yet. Andre Smith is asking for 8-9 million a year. The Eagles have already talked to Smith’s agent. He won’t get it. He, and Winston could receive 5-6 million from the Eagles, but the Eagles will sit on it until they come down in their demands.
With Ex-Falcon Clabo now out there as well, the Price for all 3 Available OT’s should come down a bit.. (Winston, Smith and Clabo)
I would go after Eric Winston over the other 2, but not for a big Contract
Offer $4.5- $5 Million Range for 3 Years with some Roster/Signing Bonus $$$ ($2-2..5 Million) would be the most I would offer
paul for what its worth
Free agent RT Eric Winston discussed salary with the Chargers last month, but said “things kind of fell through.”
Winston has since revealed that he’s seeking between $3M-$4M on a short-term deal. That was apparently too steep for the Chargers, who have incumbent right tackle Jeromey Clary signed for $4 million this season. “I don’t think I’m asking for pie in the sky numbers,” Winston said. “Middle of the road is fine. But, it’s also frustrating from the sense of, there’s still a lot of teams with a lot of money to spend, but it doesn’t seem like anyone wants to spend it.” Apr 9 – 9:29 AM
Source: Union-Tribune San Diego
Thnx Mhenski..
You would think all these Teams in dire need of an OT
(Cardinals,Chargers,Saints,Lions,Dolphins,Cowboys) would be making some moves, but there are a lot of Teams that are close to their Cap Cieling and some that still need to Cut some players to just get back under the Cap (Cowboys,Panthers)
Sounds like the Eagles just aren’t interested in the mediocre Winston to me…..
i think teams have shut it down on signing FA until post draft
I agree with you there.. Depending what Teams in the Draft, what Players get packaged in a Trade and then what Rosters look like post Draft to get rid of some dead wood… I have to believe the Eagles are going to bring in a player or two along the OL on top of some Draft Picks along the OL..