• November 15, 2024

Eagles Are Open To Trading Down

HowieRoseman1Yesterday, Eagles General Manager Howie Roseman talked about trades and the probability of trades.  During his time as the Eagles GM he has shown us that he’s open to trades at any and all times during the draft.  He said as much yesterday during his hour with the local media.  Roseman’s comment regarding trades, “We’re open to anything” says a lot.

Part of the reason for his attitude is the change that took place a couple of years ago in the rookie salary structure.  The lowering of the rookie salaries has enhanced the probability of trades in the early part of the draft.  In the past teams had to shell out record contracts to rookies, but that is no longer the case and it makes quality players in the first round a better value.

“It’s easier to maneuver with this new rookie wage scale,” Roseman said. “Before, it was cost-prohibitive in terms of cash and cap with your team to trade into the top-five, no matter how much you liked the player going forward because you were going to be hamstrung in some situation or another. It gives you some flexibility. You’re not as reluctant to trade up – not based on your evaluation, but based on how it’s going to affect your team in the future.”

Trade talks start much earlier than most of the fans realize.  Teams are doing trade talk throughout the draft process.

“Even during the combine, you talk to people about their pick and what’s going on,” Roseman said. “The serious conversation will pick up next week, when you’ve had a chance to sit back, look at your draft board, go through scenarios and figure out what you’re looking at and what you’re going to get.”

Roseman shared information about last year’s trade with Seattle in the first round of the draft.  The trade had been finalized prior to the day of the draft.

“I think there are teams that are very comfortable giving you scenarios they’ll stick to in that situation,” Roseman said. “With us and Seattle last year with [Seahawks GM] John [Schneider], it was very easy to get to an agreement on the compensation if the player we were interested in was there and they felt comfortable moving back.

“I think what that does, it takes the negotiating out of being on the clock, because when you’re on the clock, there’s a lot of things going on. You’re getting a lot of phone calls and when you’re starting something new or from scratch and you’re going through that process, time runs out fairly quickly.”

You could see where a wise draft manager would like to make an agreement prior to the draft because it would give them a chance to look it over and think it through enough to make sure that they saw every side of the deal.

Still trading down cannot be treated nonchalantly because there are players at the top of most drafts that can’t be had later in the first round.  The Eagles know that the top ten players in this draft have a better chance of succeeding that the guys at the end of the first round, so you can’t trade down too low and wind up missing out on grabbing a probable starter or star.

“I think that there is, certainly on our draft board, a clear line of players we think can be elite talents in this league,” Roseman said.

As for the second round, the Birds have the 35th pick in the draft and Roseman is looking forward to playing the draft game on Friday with teams who might have their eyes on a player, who has surprisingly slid down.

“We don’t have 35 first-round grades, so you always hope that a guy you have in the first round slips to that spot,” he said. “I think there’s going to be a lot of action because I think there’s going to be a lot of good players. I think that Friday’s going to be fun.”

I hope the fun ends with the Eagles have acquired another good player or two.

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DixieFan
DixieFan
April 16, 2013 8:06 am

I will be SHOCKED if we don’t move down. With 3 OTs being coveted by 4 teams drafting in back of us, we can pick up one of our targets and get extra pick(s). I can even see a scenario we trade back as far as 7 and still get Dion Jordan or Dee Milliner. The key will be who does JAX draft at 2,and does Arizona trade with us or Oakland?

pdiddy
pdiddy
April 16, 2013 8:17 am

Yeah but Dixie its not like we couldn’t use one of those tackles too.

DixieFan
DixieFan
April 16, 2013 8:51 am

There are solid OL later in this draft…

paulman
paulman
April 16, 2013 11:05 am

There are about 4 or 5 Day 1 Starters though at OT
The Big 3 Joeckel,Fisher,Johnson for sure
The next 3 Fluker, Pugh, Long are not a given that they will be Day 1 Starter’s

The Big Question that Remains is Chip Kelly/Howie Roseman comfortable with Todd Herremans as a RT.. If they are, then they may wait to mid-rounds to grab an OT.. If they believe that Herremans is better suited back at Guard (which I do) then they should grab one of the Top 3 OT who they can plug in from Day 1and have 8-10 Year Starter at a Critical Position

gmcliff
gmcliff
April 16, 2013 9:10 pm
Reply to  paulman

Fluker is a day 1 starter, at Guard

DCar
DCar
April 17, 2013 4:49 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Exactly. Not at Tackle. He’s Andre Smith/ Fat Albert 3.0

paulman
paulman
April 17, 2013 7:09 am
Reply to  DCar

I agree Flucker is best suited for Guard at the NFL,
Day 1 Starter, I am not so sure abou it depends who selects him

gmcliff
gmcliff
April 17, 2013 7:43 am
Reply to  paulman

He is a day one starter at Guard Paul…I’m sure..for every team in the league….

DMAN
DMAN
April 16, 2013 12:13 pm

Exactly Paulman. But this could have been addressed in free agency. So ya it looks like the Eagles will be taking one of the three tackles with the first pick. Makes perfect sense

paulman
paulman
April 16, 2013 12:25 pm
Reply to  DMAN

My Preference is Eric Fisher or Lane Johnson who would be perfect at RT for 2-3 Seasons and then move over to LT to replace Jason Peters when he get’s ready to retire.. For some reason, I am not enamored with Luke Joeckel..
I just don’t see the Passion from him, it’s like he’s a tactician and thinking man’s OT which is fine.. but I rather see an OT like Peters who plays nasty and looks to dominate opponents.. I just don’t see this from Joeckel..

gmcliff
gmcliff
April 17, 2013 7:51 am
Reply to  paulman

I think Lane Johnson is too light in the pants, and isn’t physical enough to play LT, and is a RT only. He will get dominated by some of the premier, and adequate DE’s in the NFL……..not as physical as Fisher, although he too could use some more weight, but is capable physically to play LT, in the future. He should also start out at RT.

Paul, I know you are gonna give me you shpill about Lane Johnson. With confidence I disagree.

gmcliff
gmcliff
April 17, 2013 7:51 am
Reply to  gmcliff

BTW, How’s that Foles trade going?

paulman
paulman
April 17, 2013 8:56 am
Reply to  gmcliff

I like Lane Johnson Long-Term Upside more than Joekel/Fisher
He may struggle a bit at first and definietly needs to stregnthen his core and base which he will.. I think he’s an All-Pro OT (at the Right Side)
in 2-3 Years Time
Re Foles, I hope the Eagles stick with him as I have stated numerous times and remember I was probably the only one on here that had FOles on the Radar last Draft so I want to see him succeed as an Eagle.. I am just not sold on CHip Kelly thinking along the same lines.. but I think in the end, it’s Foles/Vick/Dixon as the 3 QB’s on the 2013 Roster and build the Defensive/Offensive Lines this Draft and go from there would be their best Strategy for long-term success..
I have this inkling in the back of my mind that GM Roseman really wants to make a splash and wants to obtain Revis.. The Eagles are one of the fw Teams that have the Cap Space to take his Contract on and we all know that any deal to obtain Revis will have to include QB Foles, which I don’t want to happen, but feel that it is a very good possibility and if they do this, then Eagles will also end up wasting a high Draft Pick on a Developmental QB from this weak QB Class, again, I don’t want this to happen but think that it very may well end up this way…

DCar
DCar
April 17, 2013 10:12 am
Reply to  paulman

Johnson, isn’t now, nor ever will be, better than Joeckel & Fisher. I like his upside, but he’s another project, that’s 2 seasons removed, from being a TE. He’s a project RT, with upside, who will be overdrafted.

gmcliff
gmcliff
April 17, 2013 10:57 am
Reply to  DCar

Paul your my boy, but I have to agree with DCar on this one……

paulman
paulman
April 16, 2013 12:48 pm

Eagles #4 Pick to the Buffalo BIlls #7 PIck and a their 3rd Round (68th Pick)

paulman
paulman
April 16, 2013 12:53 pm
Reply to  paulman

Then Eagles Trade #7 & #35 to the SL Rams for their #16 & #22

Then Eagles Trade #16 to the Vikings for their #20 Pick and 3rd Round (#80)

Eagles also Trade the #22 Pick to the 49ers for their #33 Pick and 3rd Rounder (#95)

After all said and Done

Eagles send the remainder of their Picks to KC Chiefs for
Mardy Gilyard and Akeem Jordan and to help out old Coach Andy Reid

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
April 16, 2013 1:06 pm

Howie and Jeff love to draft day trade, don’t they

summup
summup
April 16, 2013 2:09 pm

I hear you guys But i want one of the top two OL because to me its important for Todd Her. to go back to guard on the left side next to Peters. That’s very important

Frank22
Frank22
April 17, 2013 11:43 am
Reply to  summup

Why on the left? You’ve had Mathis play there very, very well for the previous 2 years.. Some say he’s terrible, trade him! He is the lineman that Chip will like : athletic and versitile

paulman
paulman
April 17, 2013 12:01 pm
Reply to  Frank22

They need to Upgrade RG & RT..
If the Draft Fisher, slide Herreman’s to RG or Hope Watkins Spets up,but eithe way, they need to Draft a Guard/Center for interior Depth for this will probably be Herreman’s final Season as an Eagle,as it will be for QB Vick,WR Avant, DE T Cole, LB Ryans… who all are overpaid for teh amount of Production they provide and really don’t fit the Eagles New Schemes moving Forward.. I see them keeping them for 2013, but than, that’s it

Frank22
Frank22
April 17, 2013 12:07 pm
Reply to  paulman

Agree… Very much so

DixieFan
DixieFan
April 16, 2013 8:37 pm

Paulman, no big deal, but Arizona drafts 7 and Buffalo at 8.

paulman
paulman
April 16, 2013 9:13 pm
Reply to  DixieFan

Good catch Dixie, you are indeed a scholar and a gentleman..

jakedog
jakedog
April 16, 2013 9:47 pm

Just look at that picture of Roseman, that’s all you need to figure out why this franchise is where it is i guarantee you that if gmcliff , a so called amateur , were the gm it would be a far different football team, it’s sickening to see this little tool. Weasel masquerade as a football gm of a professional football team when his best attribute is huckstering in the fine tradition of joe banner, a law school nerd, erector set fag, this is our Philadelphia eagles

gmcliff
gmcliff
April 17, 2013 7:55 am
Reply to  jakedog

It would be different, if the GCobb Family were in control of the draft, and in the war room period.

DCar
DCar
April 17, 2013 10:22 am
Reply to  gmcliff

I could guarantee a Championship, within 5 years, with you, Paul & myself, in charge. Hey, if a dork, weasel, inexperienced, bean counter, with ZERO prior football knowledge & football acumen, like Weaselman, can get a job, & get to learn on the job, what can knowledgeable guys, in the sport, like us do, if given the chance! 8D

gmcliff
gmcliff
April 17, 2013 10:59 am
Reply to  DCar

DCar I say within 2…our first Superbowl, and over a 5 year span 3 championship rings.

gmcliff
gmcliff
April 17, 2013 11:00 am
Reply to  gmcliff

and thats being humble about it

DCar
DCar
April 17, 2013 11:37 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Humble, my rear end, you egotist! BWAHAHAHA!!!! I agree though. XD

Frank22
Frank22
April 17, 2013 11:45 am
Reply to  DCar

True Dcar… But he’s also a Wharton graduate with a law degree. I don’t think any of us on this site can say that.

DCar
DCar
April 17, 2013 4:50 am

Either Star Lotulelei, or Fisher, if not, trade down. We need as many high draft picks, as we can get our hands on.

paulman
paulman
April 17, 2013 12:48 pm

Eagles 2013 Mock Draft (Version #89)

#4 – OT Eric Fisher (Day 1 Starter at RT, Herremans to battle Watkins for RG)
#35 – DE Tank Carradine (Fla State 6-4 276lbs) Competes at DE and becomes a Starter by 2014
#67 – OLB Jaime Collins (Southern Miss 6-4 250lbs) Starts from Day 1 at OLB and a Special Teams Demon on Coverage Teams
#101 – CB Leon McFadden (San Diego State 5-10 195lbs) Nickel Back, Special Teams and a Starter by 2014
#136 – RB/Returnman Kenjon Barner (Oregon 5-9 199lbs) 3rd Down Scat Back/Returnman and a Playmaker, Chip Kelly loves this kid who played for him at Oregon, can split out wide, set in motion, return Kicks,Punts.. Versatile
#210 – Guard/Center – Jeff Baca (UCLA 6-4 305lbs)
#212 – Safety – Robert Lester (Alabama 6-1 220lbs)
#218 – DE – Mike Catapano (Princeton 6-4 276lbs)
#239 – TE – Zac Sudfeld (Nevada 6-7 253lbs)

That’s it

paulman
paulman
April 17, 2013 12:55 pm

With the above Draft Class of 2013 above means the end of some Eagle Players after the 2013 Season..
Gone will be Players like Todd Herremans, Trent Cole, DeMeco Ryans,
Antonio Dixon,Curtis Marsh, Danarius Johnson, Jeremy Maclin,Nate Allen
Jason Avant, Clay Harbor & Mike Vick.. Time to keep moving forward

gmcliff
gmcliff
April 19, 2013 7:19 am
Reply to  paulman

Add Brandon GRAHAM TOO

Biglion821
Biglion821
April 19, 2013 9:21 am
Reply to  paulman

But wait paulman you mean Vick is still on the roster? I thought for sure he was a goner after the 2012 season. LOL we make all these bold declarations and it means nothing. If the Chip’s offense is as advertised Maclin isn’t going anywhere. Most of the guys on your list may not make the team this year, Avant, Marsh, Harbor, Allen and possibly Vick if he stinks it up pre-season. My point is until the draft and we see who they actually acquire and not the pipe dreams I see on this site we can speculate all we want but we don’t know anything.

paulman
paulman
April 19, 2013 10:08 am
Reply to  Biglion821

Vick should have been let go in my opinion and still could be released or traded by the end of Summer Camp if Kelly doesn’t think he can trust him to run his Offense.. The 2013 Roster is not Set in Stone, SUmmer Camp/Preseason will play an important pat on who makes this Eagles Roster..

daggolden
daggolden
April 19, 2013 12:47 pm
Reply to  paulman

Same can be said about Foles.. That scenario is more likely if I was a betting man. lol

paulman
paulman
April 19, 2013 12:53 pm
Reply to  daggolden

You don’t give up on a 2nd Year QB who showed some Promise playing
in his Rookie Season with a 2nd String OL and without the Eagles Top Playmakers in D-Jax/McCoy.. Foles you give a chance too..
The other 10 Yeat Vet who has never won anything, has not even completed a full NFL Season since 2006 is who you show the door too..

daggolden
daggolden
April 19, 2013 1:11 pm
Reply to  paulman

Obviously you do. Hence Vick being here. Paulman Im curious when Bryce Brown was rushing for 800 yards in 2 games was the oline ok then?

paulman
paulman
April 19, 2013 2:19 pm
Reply to  daggolden

Bryce Brown won’t even be in the NFL by 2014 with the way his Ball Security goes, He had 5-6 Huge Runs which he mostly got by himself and was a result or any great blocking by the OL.. Lots of Talent with Brown, but fundamentally flawed for the NFL outside of his Speed.. It will b einterested to watch to see how much he has matured or not, come this Summer Camp..

Biglion821
Biglion821
April 19, 2013 2:13 pm
Reply to  paulman

paulman how many veteran QB’s that haven’t won anything are still starting for their teams, hell Tony Romo just signed a 100 million dollar contract and all Dallas does is lose but wait it’s not his fault he has potential. Again we can make a list of QB’s who continue to get paid and go out and don’t win anything let me start the list. Cutler, Rivers, Palmer, Stafford, Sanchez, who else Bradford. And before you say all these guys except Sanchez is better then Vick guess what they could of all threw a party and watched the Super Bowl together because only winning matters right?

paulman
paulman
April 19, 2013 2:22 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

None of them would be on my Team Biggy
All I know is that I have seen enough of Mike VIck over the last 10 Years or so to know that he isn’t the Type of QB I want running my Team.. He’s too careless with the ball and his body and to be honest, simply not bright enough to be the leader of my Team..

jakedog
jakedog
April 19, 2013 3:05 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

big, that’s a good list of stiffs, but what does that have to do with who should be the qb of the eagles, haven’t you seen enough of Vick to know he is not a good quarterback, no one really knows how good or bad Foles will ultimately be but we have seen enough that he deserves a shot, and let him duke it out with Vick for the starting job, it will just make him that much better

Draft a big lineman, Fisher or Warnack, build around the future with Nick Foles

Biglion821
Biglion821
April 19, 2013 2:05 pm
Reply to  paulman

Even though the head coach looked at the film and decided to bring him back you still think he should have been let go? But Foles shows promise so let’s just give him the ball. paulman are you one of the I don’t care if we’re 3-13 as long as Foles is the QB crowd? Just curious.

paulman
paulman
April 19, 2013 2:24 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Just not VIck, I rather have Dennis Dixon, Trent Edwards, Adam DiMichelle run the Eagles Offense than Mike VIck.. I am Vicked out

Biglion821
Biglion821
April 19, 2013 5:00 pm
Reply to  paulman

@Jake I was responding to paulmans comment about being a 10 year vet that hasn’t won anything. My point is there are a bunch of those around not just Vick. Paulman if Vick comes out and gets the job done under Kelly will you be on board?

paulman
paulman
April 19, 2013 5:54 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

No, I have no confidence in Vick as a Leader and as a Winner..
I am “Vicked-out” and want him gone just like I wanted Coach AR gone for the last 2-3 Years.. When it’s time, it’s time and for Vick,that time has past, he should have been released like Reid,MM, Patterson,Asmo,and other’s have been..

daggolden
daggolden
April 19, 2013 12:57 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Bigloin heres how it will go down

January-Vick definetly will be released
March- Chip will see on film how terrible Vick is on film he will be released
March- Well Chip just renegotiated with Vick to trade him its only 10 million. They will tailor offense to Foles. No read option.
March-Oh its open competition Foles will win they will teach 2 offenses.
August-Vick is only starting preseason games it wont last
September-Vick is only starting season opener until hes hurt
November-Vick is out 2 weeks nows Foles chance.
November- Oh shit how can Chip start Dennis Dixon
December- Vick is just starting again because Chip doesn’t want to change offense now he will do it in off-season
Feb- Oh that new 3 year deal Vick got isn’t guaranteed. lol

Biglion821
Biglion821
April 19, 2013 1:59 pm
Reply to  daggolden

LOL the worst case scenario for Vinnie.

gmcliff
gmcliff
April 18, 2013 12:17 am

1 a. Ezekiel Ansah DE/OLB – 6-6 265
b. Star Lotululei DE/DT – 6-4 312

2 a. Jonathan Cyprian FS – 6-0 217
b. Larry Warford OG 6-4 341
c. Jamie Collins OLB/ILB 6-4 245

3.a Quinton Patton WR 6-0 204
b Cornelius Washington OLB/DE 6-5 262
c Brian Schwenke C/OG 6-4 316
d Blidi Wreh Wilson CB 6-1 206

4 a. Matt Scott QB 6-4 235
b. Da’Rick Rogers WR 6-4 212
c. Montori Hughes NT/DT 6-6 354

5 a. Alvin Bailey OG 6-3 318
b. Michael Williams TE 6-7 270
c. Luke Marquart OT 6-7 317

6 a. Manase Fuketi OG/OT 6-5 334
b. Aaron Mellette WR 6-4 218

7a. Ty Powell LB/ST 6-4 260
b. Alex Hurst OG 6-5 338
c. Ray Ray Armstrong S/ST 6-3 210

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
April 19, 2013 1:04 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

I like Da’Rick Rogers…if available that would be a good pickup!

4th a) Eric Fisher
4th b) Chance Warmack – Alabamba – scouting reports says he can get to 2nd level and beat LB’s to the action, has great agility to handle bull rushers/quick pass rushers
4th c) – Xavier Rhodes CB Florida State – this would be my 1st pick if I went CB…half the know nothing Eagles fans on this site would have a heartache with this pick…then thanking me later
4th d)- Dion Jordan DE/LB– could be a perfect fit for the 3-4 at the DE/LB position.

35th a) Jamar Taylor CB – Boise St (recorded as running a 4.33, 40…Good on pass, good on run, pretty physical, good change direction speed. Not afraid to hit.
35th b) Justin Pugh – OG – Syracuse – from what I read about him, says he is quick and can get out to the 2nd level. Possibly a good fit for the possible scheme we’ll see.

67th a) Darius Slay Miss State FS – possibly gone in the 2nd round…but if on the board, would be a good pick and would be a starter first day of camp on coverage skills alone.
67th b) Phillip Thomas – FS – Fresno State – good size, good against run or pass, physical, he will hit you! Can cover will in the slot. Would be concerned about the injury that occurred in a non contact drill. But if he is healthy and can stay healthy he would be an upgrade at safety position day 1.
67th Kyle Long c) – OT – Oregon – familiarity with head coach and 6’6 313lbs

gmcliff
gmcliff
April 19, 2013 3:04 pm
Reply to  RealTalk777

I personally feel that Da’Rick Rogers will be one of the steals of the draft, along with Cornelius Washington – not as hyped, but maybe just as good as Jarvis Jones, and covers better too – Montori Hughes, Manase Fuketi, Ty Powell, and Luke Marquart

jakedog
jakedog
April 19, 2013 2:05 pm

Switch warmack with fisher,no Rhodes , otherwise pretty solid

paulman
paulman
April 19, 2013 3:59 pm
Reply to  jakedog

I believe Rhodes will have a better NFL Career than Bama’s Milliner who is overhypped and end up like the other big name CB’s from Bama who failed to make an impact in the NFL in recent Years like Kareem Jackson,Dre Kirkpatrick & Javier Arenas)

gmcliff
gmcliff
April 19, 2013 9:05 pm
Reply to  paulman

We both agree on Rhodes. The best of the bunch this year at CB.