The Eagles defensive front was totally hammered oduring the first drive of the game. They were easily gashed by the New England running game. The Patriots ran solely up the middle and off tackle on their way to the end zone. They made the drive of 80 yards look easy. It was an ugly first drive for the Birds defense and they’ve got to improve their run defense.
We expected that they might have problems stopping teams from throwing the football, but there’s no way any expected. The gap control needs to improve dramatically.
in the quarterback competition, Michael Vick played two series and played very well. Nick Foles started out with a turnover, but he came back strong and got in rhythm.
In the first third down for the Eagles offense, Vick made a nice throw to Jason Avant, who got open on a seam route. He worked to get open inside the defender and give Vick a good target.
On the deep touchdown throw, wide receiver DeSean Jackson beat New England’s best cornerback Aqib Talib on a go route. Talib didn’t do a bad job, but Vick threw ball out there to the inside during the practices during the week and he did it again tonight.
Jackson’s speed is going to be an issue for defenses, when the Eagles get their passing game going full strength.
The running game hasn’t really gotten going the way they want.
Foles did a good job of running Chip Kelly’s offense, after the turnover. He got the ball out of his hands to the receivers or running back before the defense could adjust. Foles even scrambled a time or two. His throws were on the money and that’s especially true of his well-timed throws outside.
Bryce Brown had been dropping the ball quite a bit during training camp, but he corrected that in the game and did a nice job of running and catching the football.
After the game defensive coordinator Billy Davis said the team missed some tackles and there were some mistakes made when it comes to their gap control, which gave the Pats’ running backs a chance to run for big yardage. Even if they use guys who won’t make the team, the Eagles defensive front needs to get more work on stopping the run.
It’s what’s called the nine-on-seven drill, where the offensive line tries to run the ball against the defensive front. It’s something the Birds need to do a great deal in the rest of the training camp.
The biggest play on special teams was a long punt return by Damaris Johnson.
As long as
Nate Allen and Mychal Kendricks are on the field the Eagles will get run over on rushing plays. You can’t turn a dime into a quarter. One is soft and the other small, they will never be anything but 2nd round nobody busts who get trucked over.
Jason Avant’s play may keep both Ertz and Casey on special duty full time. He was outstanding and if Mike Vick is the starter Avant in the middle may be more productive than Celek, Ertz, or Casey on the field. If Foles is the starter he is going to need two tights and a big RB like Brown because he can’t sling it like Vick.
*special team duty*
Does any one believe Barkley is 6″2′?
Vinny Curry can’t play on this defense? Bullshit…..
There might be a place for Polk, but Bryce is more explosive fo sho
Damian Square who?? Not for long……
I likes me some Greg Salas, want to see some more…..
I need Vinnie to fina a way to blame Vick for this defense.
Come on Vinnie you can spin it buddy!!!!!!!
Please give us some numbers and/or scenarios how the defense would have performed better last night, if Vick was never born.
Nope.
D is going to be terrible all their own.
But, Kelly wants to run a high tempo, quick quick quick to the LOS and get a play off offense. Only one guy was doing that last night.
Cause only 1 guy was asked
Kudos to Nick Foles. He looks slimmer and more athletic.I have no doubt he can run this offense when called upon. He worked hard this offseason and it shows. This is exciting times. Chip Kellys offense looks like it can dominate. This is 3/4 the battle. You cant win n the NFL without a stud QB or a offense that scores points. Obviously Chips offense looks like its going to be real good. Now all you need is a defense that is competent and you have a chance in the NFL. Your offense avg 30-35 just put defense out there that doesn’t give up more than 30. We don’t have that yet but it is coming.
If we can go into next year saying damn this offense was giving us 30 a game and looked great with Foles or Vick but we went 6-10 because our defense was terrible I am ok with that. That means next offseason all Im doing getting defensive players in FA and the draft and I don’t have to look for a QB for the next 5 years. I am excited. Defenses can be fixed a lot easier than finding a competent QB who still wont put up points let alone a franchise QB. Already in 1 month looks like a Oregon team. Very very happy so far.
6-10???? That’s being generously optimistic!!!! O`o
Cant wait to see the offense when we stick the best LT(Peters) and the most elusive, top 5 RB(McCoy) on that offense.
I agree though he back up played well for Peters. They may actually have some depth this year. Johnson held his own too.
Why didn’t Vick tackle those RB’s?!? I think he blows as a QB, but man, is this DF gonna eat @$$!
Dag, you keep talking about the offense, did you watch that defense, kendricks getting mauled, he’s a tweener , can’t play lb, can’t cover rb, Ryans over pursuing at his age and experience level, ridiculous, horrendous secondary, Nate Allen can’t play, nice guy, but he incompetent
With this defense the eagles will be lucky to win four, that first drive showed me all I need to know about this defense, the offense will score a lot of points, Vick or foles, but it will not matter
Foles TD drive I couldnt help but notice how fast the tempo was. The Patriots defense looked confused as Foles put together a very good drive. I know its preseason but so far I say theres no reason to think Chip Kelly will be a bust in the NFL.
Yup. Only one Qb seems capable of running that high tempo O.
And its only going to get faster. A play every 20 secs eventually. (well, depending who the QB is…one of the 2 clearly can’t handle the speed).
Its the only thing I’m really excited about Kelly…..tempo. Fun to watch.
Vinny the only problem with that theory is that Vick covers 20 yards more a pass play then foles we get to the end zone quicker. Foles ran 10 effici plays at 5 yards a pass in 24 secs. Vick ran 5 plays for 94 yards at damn near 20 yards a pass at 30 sec a play. Chip aint mad at him.
wait….I thought you hated it when Vick “only throws deep”
Its not about the total time of the drive…obviously a 90 yard run/pass is only going to take 15 secs off the clock.
Kelly’s offense is all about how quickly the team gets to the LOS and gets the next play off. Clearly yesterday one guy was superior to the other.
smh…Vinnie give it up already…one guy threw a perfect strike to our offensive weapon…DJax for a TD…the other guy coughed the football up holding the ball to long. One guy was poised and strong in the pocket…and delivered excellent passes to receivers while the other guy threw a few ordinary dink and dunk passes set up by Brown’s excellent running of the ball.
Vick was clearly the best QB on the Eagles last night…and through out camp. The players and the coaches know the real deal…Mike Vick is the starter..and the maybe Foles can serve has a back up or trade bait!
How did Foles put together a good drive? when Bryce Brown did the majority of the work. You Foles lovers need to wake up and realize he isnt better than Vick and will lose this competition easily.
As far as the defense goes this is the first time that they’ve seen live action and can now start determining who they’re real players are. Other than the first two series the defense did ok and made some good play. Vinnie Curry will get an opportunity to start and Square will get looks at starting NT.
Chung looked good last night. Sound tackler, brings a pop and a nasty attitude. Nate’s gotta go geez, i’m so tired of seeing this guy miss open field tackles on a regular basis which is something a safety cannot do as frequently as he does. Wolf needs a look. Kenny Phillips looked ok too, better than i’ve seen at practice so far
I think Vick showed in previous years that his specialty is the no huddle. Thats why Chip stayed away from it with him but used it extensively with Foles and Barkley.
Vick looked amazing throwing the ball downfield with time to throw. Best preseason start ive seen him have with the Birds.
Foles was shaky at first but did well with the dink and dunk offense
oh ok.
elly build his rep on a fast tempo offense. They practice it all spring.
But they didn’t run it with Vick because he’s seen Vick do it in previous years.
Ok then.
BTW Vick only huddled one time, the rest was all no huddle….just a slow no huddle.
Going to be a cause for concern for Vick if he runs the high tempo offense in slow motion again next week.
“Dink and dunk offense….while all Vick did was “throw deep”
I thought you all hated it when all he did was “throw deep” Make up your minds already.
Best pass rushers on this team by far is Vinny Curry and Brandon Graham. Nate Allen is brutal, I’ve seen enough of his soft non tackling ways and Mychal Kendricks is small for a 34 linebacker. He bounced right off of Blount who didn’t look like he even felt Kendricks hit. Damion Square Looks like a keeper.
I didn’t think it was possible to make Blount look like Gale Sayers. Im hoping that play was all just a Chip conspiracy for his old pal Blount.
Some under the radar players that looked good to me were Square, Curry, Logan, Salas, and some linebacker that was playing toward the 2nd half of the game but I don’t know his name.
Boykins also looks pretty good.
But damn this defense is so frustrating. Im so sick of not having a quality D. That just doesn’t sound right with the Eagles. Holy shit Reid fucked this D up. I know they weren’t going to look great only a year after Reid but I wanted to see some potential at least.
The good. We now have a game tape for coach Kelly to evaluate how guys execute what he wants.
Fact: We saw Chip Kelly’s Vanilla Offense – Concepts that will be basis for plays but not what we will see in regular season. Again it is about evaluating individual performances.
The Bad: The bad will be keeping players who stink because they are the lesser of two (or more) evils. This Defense will be evolving over the next 2 years. Offense will get minor tweeks. This is based on Foles being the QB otherwise we must draft one next year.
You can not tell me Vick is great and that foles Stinks. Either Vick is trash and therefore Foles is also as he can not beat vick out or, Foles is as good as a 13 year starter after only half a season.
Stupid post from a stupid ass fanbase. We have the dumbest fans in the NFL. Vick does not suck. Andy was a predictable shitty coach that ruined the entire team last season. You dont forget how to play qb after 2010, wise ass. Foles is overrated and couldnt hold Vicks jock strap. He fumbled on his 1st series and on the second drive he played against a second string defense with Bryce Brown doing all the work. Anybody that thinks Foles did as well as Vick is a F’ing IDIOT.
Relax. Defense will play better.
Vinnie. Get over it. Vick will be the starter. I know Foles was your newest “great white hope” but it just isnt meant to be. Try again with Barkley in 3 yrs.
I want the offense to take as much time off the clock as possible. Long eight to ten minute drives . I am not anxious to see our defense on the field.
Holy cow guys… relax!!! Its 1 week… 1 quater really….
Both qbs looked really good. No need to pick one or the other. This is not a pres election… same team same team.
It was great to see what vick and foles can do. Great to see brown make some catches. Great great great to NOT see bombs away andy out there.
Right. That is what I said.
Let’s see a couple more games.
If this season is lost, it’s because of the defense. Why is this Davis clown our D- Cord again??? Good job #7 and Foles!
I said it soon after the 3-4/hybrid-D was announced, but now I’m more convinced that Vinny Curry should get a shot at that OLB spot instead of just locking him into the D-line. He would have more opportunities to rush the QB unblocked from standing position and as woeful as the D is looking in coverage and against the run right now they’re going to have to have an insane pass rush to stay competitive.
The other thing is that the Eagles need a beast of a nose tackle to make the 3-4 plays work. You can’t have your nose tackle consistently being held up by a full back and allowing a guard with a full head a steam and a 50lb.+ weight advantage trucking a LB to create a hole for any kind of back to get massive chunks of yardage. As much as some people will say a 3-4 ILB should be able to take a guard, the math just doesn’t work out for that happening consistently over the period of an entire game.
The Eagles should keep their eyes peeled for a 6’6″ Kourtnei Brown to potentially be released since he’s already been in camp with two talented 3-4 defenses that already pretty well stocked at LB.
Also, it was pretty nice to see Bryce Brown effectively catching the ball out of the backfield after apparently losing his back-up job to Chris Polk because of consistent butterfingers play.
That was a nice positive indeed.
I hear everybody talk about what Vick (13 year veteran) can do that Foles can not do.
I do not hear any talk about what Foles can do that Vick can not do.
I am going to discriminate and tell you the Greatest thing Foles has comes from his DNA… He is blessed to be 6’6″ and 245 pounds.
Big people beat up little people!
Foles has 11 more years before he should be compared to Vick and if he is already pressing the vet the kid should get the nod!
Pretty tough to sit someone who went 5-6 94 yards and 1 td with 0 turnovers.How do you sell that to the rest of the team.
You cant sell it to the team…the players wont see the coach as credible if he tries to start Foles during the regular season…the team is confident with the proven vet, Mike Vick especially with the O-line playing well.
Big, stronger QB arm is better than weaker QB arm.
Speed is better than slow
Experience tops inexperience.
The kid should get the nod with the clipboard and Vick should get the starting job on the field…its pretty obvious
Eagles defensive speed seems to be lacking. The fireman got a holding call blocking a third string defensive player. I hate when I hear this guy is doing good
in training camp because they are playing against their teammates. Tackling is still an issue. No hard hits except for Graham on return coverage. I can’t see Cole as a linebacker. Casey Mathews is always around the ball but late. He looks so ploding.
Mike Vick showed excellent poise in the pocket, got rid of the ball quickly, and his long bomb to DJax was a perfect pass. Vick also avoided turnovers…unlike Foles who coughed the ball up holding on to it too long…you have to get rid of the ball Foles!
Its clear and obvious that the job is Vick’s to lose all he has to do is stay away from turnovers and he will be fine.
Vick’s ability to strike from long distance will stop defenses from cheating up with safeties and open up the Eagles running game. His outside speed will force defensive ends to stay at home and when Peters comes back and starts mauling people…the Eagles running game will be potent and set up Vick up real nice! The Eagles offensive will be extremely explosive and dangerous with Mike Vick at QB!
Wait until Vick is required to run the hurry up offense that foles ran, Vick looked a lot like Andy Reid Vick, drop back, no progressions, wait until he’s required to think, different Vick, this Thursday night might tell a lot, but eventually Vick will be exposed as too dumb to run this offense
U watch the same game?
Here we go with the “to dumb” talk again.
Hey dumb ass Vick did run the no huddle last season against the Ravens and the Browns, YOU FOOL. He was excellent at it all last season whenever they ran it. Check his stats for no huddle. My God we have the dumbest, most racist fans in the NFL. Do everything you can to discredit Vick. Racist redneck bastard. Hes way better than Foles its not even close. Youre probably one of the idiots from our fanbase that wanted Kolb to start, well howd that work out?Youre lil white qb sucks.
Football Lesson….
Some of you don’t know much about the game of football or your own football team!
Chip Kelly said his self that his team will play at different speeds. 4 min, 2 min offense, to a huddle offense….Which means on 2nd down he may huddle 3rd down they may go no huddle…or they may go no huddle on 2nd down, no huddle on 1st down….
Think about it…how predictable would it be if Eagles were in no huddle every single play.
For those of you that don’t know football…the no huddle offense just doesn’t act as an uptempo…but it also works against the defense in getting personnel on the field. The ball doesn’t have to be snapped quickly.
************After two series of football, you guys assuming that Vick can’t run the uptempo offense is premature.
************In fact when Vick ran the hurry up last season with a 98 QB rating….
Real…. dont waste your breath… they just dont get the game.
They assume foles is the one calling for this or that… like hes payton manning out there. And that vick is calling for no no huddles. Silly. Clearly they were running the gameplan given to them and they playcalls they were given.
Its an open comp guys. Its there for the taking.. i for one am glad BOTH qbs looked good last night. I have no horse in this race… and i for sure dont have some crazy hate that fuels my existance.
I thought Vick looked very poor last night. Seemed to have no sense of urgency. He could not convert a 3rd down. And he was saved by a great catch by DJAX
Im assuming u are joking… he DID convert the 3rd down and the td pass cpuld not have been more on the money.
Let me guess youre white? Yall are the only people that hate on him,but find nothing that riley cooper did wrong. Vick looked bad? really? please kill yourself.
@godgotvick
let me explain something to you son…by focusing on whether or not someone is white, guess what you’re part of the problem to because theres obviously hate in your heart for white people and how you think they feel about another person.
grow up.
Agreed
Wrong. I’m Asian. I also loved Mcnabb, and wanted to keep him when everyone wanted him gone. But good try.
Just because people don’t like Vick, doesn’t mean they are racist. It basically means he is just an AVG QB. Relying on the big bomb to Djax isn’t going to win us games. Just saying.
Both quarterbacks played well for the short time they played.
I think we all know what will happen in the end… Vick will get the job and the team will lose games… Half the fans will want Vick benched and the other half will blame the game-plan, or the coach, or the offensive line, or something else…
The only way this will be settled is when the team wins. I don’t see that happening this year. So, expect to see more Vick and Foles hate from both camps.
Go read the “all 22” over on Eagles 24/7
Eagles ran the up tempo hurry up that will be the staple of Kelly’s offense when Foles was in….but for some reason not when Vick was in.
18 seconds between snaps with Foles.
Why wasn’t Vick running the staple of Kelly’s offense.
Perhaps because he can’t???? Just something to watch moving forward…..
Or perhaps because Kelly knows Vick is his qb and doesnt want to tip his hand in the preseason.
I get it….doesn’t want Vick to practice what will be the staple of the O in pre-season.
Got it. Makes complete sense. Thanks for clearing that up.
Its well documented Vick is at his best in the no huddle offense. Please stop with your stupidity.
Completely understand. Kelly is comfortable with Vick running his offense because Vick was “good” in a 2 minute drill in a completely different system.
No need to practice this entirely different system that calls for QB and entire rest of team to be on the same page as soon as they get to the LOS. That they all able to recognize and understand the various options available every play. And be able to do this in under 20 seconds every play.
Vick was good in a 2 min drill in the past, so he’ll be good running this entirely different system now. Why practice it?
You guys tooo funny.
Here is Chip Kelly, hired precisely because he’s an offensive innovator. Hired precisely to run “his” offence……a high tempo (sometimes called ‘blur’ offense) predicated on quick tempo, no huddle, never let the D get organized pace.
And yet in the first preseason game….only one of the 2 qbs run that system.
You can come up with all the ridiculous “vick was good in the past” statements….it doesn’t cover over the fact that only one of the 2 qbs ran the team at the pace I used to watch Oregon run.
That’s weird.
Just something to look for again this week…..Can Vick run the o at the same pace Foles did?
You have to be the biggest troll on this site.
And you god are neck and neck for the biggest piece of shit on this site.
Maybe in the next preseason game we will get to see Vick run the up-tempo offense. They actually did go with no huddle on the second series of downs that Vick was in for, but they were 4-and-out so it went unnoticed.
What surprised me even more was that Vick handed the ball off twice to to Polk when the correct read would have been to keep it… I was thinking he might have been told not to run with the ball and risk injury.
Anyways, barring an injury I think it’s going to be Vick starting against the Redskins in the first regular season game. Of course I think he will be replaced around mid-season, due to poor play or injury.
Chip Kelly is hoping to catch lightning in a bottle at the beginning of the season. Once it becomes clear that the Eagles are going nowhere he will start thinking about the future. The future don’t include Vick, and it might not include Foles either. It’s just a shame we have to live through another quarterback audition.
Im sure we will see Vick in the hurry up offense sooner rather than later. Too question whether he can run it or not after one preseason game is ridiculous. Thats like me saying Foles wont be a good qb cause he turned the ball over. Its moronic. What will the excuse be when Vick excels on thursday in the hurry up?
It really should have nothing to d with Vick. Vick is who he is after 13 years. I dont think he is trash I just think he is not the future.
A guy that after half a season is showing that he can compete in the NFL at near or the same level as a 13 year veteran should be given time to improve and develop.
If foles improves more this year he will be a Top half of the NFL QB. That is value. Would you all rather have Ponder, Locker, Gabbert, Freeman, Palmer, Sanchez, Bradford,…. than Foles (maybe Bradford).
I bet most would not. So lets play the kid and see what we have in a years time.
Time between plays when clock continued to run (ie not OB, incomplete, official review)
Vick: 28 secs, 28 secs, 22 secs, 20 secs, 25 secs, 25 secs
Foles 18 secs, 18 secs, 18 secs, 17 secs, 22 secs, 25 secs
You don’t think Chip Kelly notices this?
Especially when his entire offense is predicated upon getting a play off as quickly as possible?
The only offensive huddles came before the first plays of each series…but guys ran a hurry-up no huddle attack…just one guy was a bit quicker.
Mike Vick better get his hurry up on and quick.
Only one guy threw over 5 yards.
Only one guy didnt turn the ball over.
Only one guy threw a td passn
They both led a td drive….the second was run in…ummm, I thought you guys were all excited that the Birds would be running more. Now when Foles makes the right read on the read-option, recognizes the NE safety was playing over to the right, and hande the ball off to Brown who had a huge hole…..now that the Birds are actually running in tds on 1st and goal…..suddenly this means Foles is a lesser QB??
Make up your mind. Do you want the team to run or not?
And I’ll admit that was bad. Should have tucked the ball and taken the sack.
I can recognize it was bad.
Now, can you recognize that your boy wasn’t able to handle the most important tenant of Kelly’s offense as well as Foles?
Vinnie… you are amazing. you really are.
you can “recognize”? really?
Had it been Vick that fumbled the ball we would all be hearing how Vick could not handle the most important aspect of Kelly system… NOT TURNING THE BALL OVER.
Why is it hard for you to just flat out admit that BOTH of the QB’s had a solid drive or 2?
Why is it hard for you to understand that BOTH qb’s did what they were asked to do?…. both ran the O they were given very very well.
Vick threw a perfect pass and made the perfect read. Why is it hard for you to say that?
Are we to believe that Kelly asked Vick to run the hurryup and instead he didnt? Arre we to believe that RIGHT now… Vick is in the film room getting blasted by Kelly for the time between snaps?
Vinnie… do you realize that all but 2 or 3 guys on here want Foles to be the man? But that your silly, petty, off the wall bias has made it hard NOT to root for Vick to destroy the comp?
I will say it again. IF the Preseason games are determining the starter for week 1…. Vick leads the comp by a small little notch.
I know I know…. Vick is getting cut before camp begins.
Kelly rarely throws deep because it delays the pace of the offence. The offense is predicated on screens, and quick slants. Vick admitted he and Desean basically decided to go deep on the bus before the game.
Last year the Oregon ducks averaged a play every 15 seconds (from the placement of the ball to the snap)
They were the fastest offence ever. Ever.
This is what a Kelly offence looks like. Fast. Fast. Fast.
This, more than the read option, is the most important aspect of what Kelly does offensively.
It is how his offence is defined.
Foles was doing this, Vick was not.
Love the Vickpologists who cannot grasp this simple concept. Instead I get crap like “Kelly already knows Vick and so doesn’t have to practice the no huddle………”
Ridiculous.
Kelly does not have a “2 minute drill” His teams are always in extreme hurry up. If you had watched any Oregon football you’d understand this. He’ll huddle in the 4th quarter if the birds are up by 3 tds, but not before.
Kelly is here to change the way offensive football is played.
If Vick wants to run an up-tempo offence, the uppest of up tempo offenses (ever) he better pick up the tempo.
But Vinnie I thought you said his offense would be more like it was at New Hampshire? Stop reaching for straws this will play out over the next two games and Kelly will go with the guy who is the better QB. Whether its Vick or Foles is anybody’s guess but if its Foles he better be right because if not he will lose the entire locker room.
You’re really searching….why so desperate. I can be like New Hampshire in that it doesn’t necessarily require a “running” QB.
But the pace is essential.
Com’on man, all you have heard all spring/summer is about tempo, tempo, tempo….you have a gazillion hours of tape on Oregon to confirm it.
Last game one QB was running plays about 8 seconds quicker than the other one.
IF that continues over the next few games, I think some of you will be very suprised at the QB choice.
Who is defensive? You have been grasping at straws since the season ended and besides your one of the few on this site who actually lose sleep over who will be starting QB for the Eagles.
Bigloin shame on Vick. He scored on 5 plays. That wasn’t “fast enough”. Shame on him. Chip doesn’t like that. lol
Its what happens in between the plays that is important nimwit.
Clearly a difficult concept for you to grasp, so you attempt frivolity as it allows you to buck the question…..”why was one guy able to run the no huddle as a completely different pace than the other guy?”
Clearly an important question for an offense that is going to attempt to break the NFL record for number of offensive plays run each game.
5 plays td. 10 plays td. Which drive do you think took longer genius.
Vinnie? so what does all this mean if Vick gets the start?
Does that mean all these points you’re riding with are utter B.S.?
So defensive.
All I have pointed out is that Kelly runs a high speed offence. One that requires a play in under 20 seconds. Last Friday, one QB was successful at this while the other was not.
And when pointing out this simple thing, all I get back is completely lame excuses (and isn’t that surprising – excuses for Vick) about how this was all Kelly’s plan, that he’s seen enough tape of Vick and yada yada yada……
I think, that if Vick wants to be named the starter, he better get his ass in gear at the LOS.
They both played 2 series. You can’t tell crap from 2 series.
Your misguided obstinacy is charming Daggolden. You’re more loyal than a puppy dog.
But you do realize that continually posting that you do not understand the difference between the time it takes to get set for the next play and the time it takes to complete a drive makes you sound like a complete idiot…..
Jeez man, I really do hope you are pretending….you do recognize the difference between the two don’t you…… your pretend ignorance on the subject has to be fake…….doesn’t it?
Vinnie… you are amazing. you really are.
you can “recognize”? really?
Had it been Vick that fumbled the ball we would all be hearing how Vick could not handle the most important aspect of Kelly system… NOT TURNING THE BALL OVER.
Why is it hard for you to just flat out admit that BOTH of the QB’s had a solid drive or 2?
Why is it hard for you to understand that BOTH qb’s did what they were asked to do?…. both ran the O they were given very very well.
Vick threw a perfect pass and made the perfect read. Why is it hard for you to say that?
Are we to believe that Kelly asked Vick to run the hurryup and instead he didnt? Arre we to believe that RIGHT now… Vick is in the film room getting blasted by Kelly for the time between snaps?
Vinnie… do you realize that all but 2 or 3 guys on here want Foles to be the man? But that your silly, petty, off the wall bias has made it hard NOT to root for Vick to destroy the comp?
I will say it again. IF the Preseason games are determining the starter for week 1…. Vick leads the comp by a small little notch.
I know I know…. Vick is getting cut before camp begins.
LOL.
The funny thing is after the pre-season game. I’m pretty cool with whoever the starter is. I definitely think Vick brings more to the table. But we can win games with Foles.
With that said. I really REALLY want Vick to be named the starter JUST so I can see Vinnie’s head explode.
lol
Felt the same way. Small sample size of course, but the offense could be tailored to fit the qb.
What would GCOBB be without Vinnie? If there was a nuclear war, we would be left with taxes, roaches and Vinnie’s insanely long posts about Vick.
We’ll soon find out what GCobb will be without Vinnie…Vinnie GCobb membership will be revoked on Monday 9/9/2013.
Both Qbs had excellent drives. Vick’s passes were beautiful. The toss to Desean was fantastic.
Foles fumble was terrible.
I think I’ve been pretty clear on all that.
However I did “recognize” the pace of the offense.
Pretty easy actually. Just look at the clock when one play ends, look at the clock when the ball is snapped and subtract.
Simple observation.
Both guys ran a no huddle offense…both only huddled coming out of the tv timeouts before the drive started.
This is what happened:
Vick: 28 secs, 28 secs, 22 secs, 20 secs, 25 secs, 25 secs
Foles 18 secs, 18 secs, 18 secs, 17 secs, 22 secs, 25 secs
Limiting turnovers is an important aspect of EVERY offense.
But the “blur” attack, no substitutions, play under 20 seconds each time, high tempo is an incredbly important aspect of this Chip Kelly designed offense. It is unique to him. The Pats went to him and copied aspects of it.
The Eagles are going to push the envelope all year. Kelly wants to go fast, fast, faster. Agree? (that whole “we have 3 speeds” is window dressing, and not what anyone ever saw at Oregon – even when they were leading.
Or do you disagree? You think Kelly will just abandoned what defined his offenses over the past decade?
Since I pointed out this discrepancy between the two paces – what have been the responses?
“Vick was awesome – stop talking bad about him”
“Vick’s drive was 5 plays, not 10 so it was faster” ?????????????
“It was only 2 drives so it doesn’t matter”
“Kelly did this on purpose because he already knows Vick can run a 2 minute drill” (I mean seriously????)
“they both did what they were asked to do”
Really? How do you know what they were asked to do? Neither huddled. They have been practicing at a high speed all spring/summer.
I’m supposed to believe that Kelly just suddenly slowed things down for Vick…………….on purpose?
That’s a bit of a stretch.
All I pointed out is that only one of the 2 qbs got plays off under 20 seconds, which has been the staple of Kelly’s offenses for the past decade.
Does this mean anything? Yes, I think it does.
I think if Vick wants to grab hold of the job he better quicken the pace.
And Big Butt and a Smile, my head won’t explode, but my sigh will be heard all the way to the Linc.
Sigh.
You keep missing (rather obtusely) that Kelly said they are several speeds to his offense. This isn’t news. It’s not warp speed all the time. Vick played what he was asked to play. Simple. Foles played what he was asked to play. Simple.
They both executed well. But Foles was the only one with a turnover.
Advantage: Vick
Not missing any point.
First of all, you have no idea what Vick or Foles was asked to do.
You can only observe what happened. O
ne went quickly, the other did not.
You, nor I have no idea if this is what they were asked to do or not.
But…..we can use history and tendancies to guide us.
1 – Neither QB huddled..
2 – Chip Kelly’s former teams do not demonstrate this “variable speeds” business he has spoken of.
There is what people say, and then what they do. Kelly’s offenses ran a play every 15.5 seconds at oregon….all the time. He set records for number of plays run. This is his history. This is what he’s bringing to the NFL. This is what the Pats have co[pied
Only one guy was getting close to operating the system Kelly designed.;
Vick did huddle in his first drive. Went no huddle in the second.
” Chip Kelly’s former teams do not demonstrate this “variable speeds” business he has spoken of.”
Kelly is in the NFL now. HE said it won’t be warp speed all of the time. HE has his practices structured in a way that shows these varying speeds. SO unless he’s practicing something he doesn’t plan on using – I’ll take what he’s saying AND DOING over what you THINK he’s doing.
actually… the response has been the same as with all your other comments.. we sigh or point and laugh because we can see how angry you really are.
I mean really….
we say- Great job by both QB’s.
u say- but Kelly didnt like it because it wasnt fast enough..
I mean.. come on Vin… really son. Settle down.
Stevo = voice of reason
I hope and beleive both QB’s will play a full quarter versus the Panthers who showed a good good pass rush versus the Bears on Friday evening ..
Should be a good mathchup the Eagles OL versus the front 7 of the Panthers which looks improved though their Secondary is pretty shaky like the Eagles..
See some big plays on both sides down the field which should make an interested first half wehn both Teams will play their Starters and key back-ups more snaps..
I’d like to see full quarters too. Though I recognize that means at least one of the Qbs (Vick probably based on rotation) would be in with the second stringers.
Paulman bet me $10 that chase wouldn’t sign for more than $10 million a year with the loser sending the proceeds to the charity of the winners choice. Then 2 hours after chase signed for $27 million over 2 years said that he was not paying and basically said fuck you to cancer and Children charities.
And for that you are a classless, poor, piece of shit lowlife Squelchers who has no integrity. I truely feel bad for every single parent, teacher, sibling and family member who had a hand in raising such an asshole. You should change your name from Paulman to Paulscumbag as you certainly have no manly qualities.
I would love nothing more then to spit in your face in real life, but since I cant the above will be my spit all day every day.
Missed that one Mhenski. Make sure to put one right underneath him. You are off your game today.
YO PAULSCUM ARE YOU STILL LOOKING FOR WHERE YOU SAID THE BET HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH FREE AGENCY???????????????????????
ASSHOLE
bugsy this trolling thing is hard work. i am considering just making the first post on every article from now on. maybe do a combo, not sure yet
I am not looking anywhere Henski,
No need to, Utley was never a “Free-Agent” so Bet is Null & Void..
I give quite about to local charties,church groups and time to Parks & rec Sports for kids and Boy Scouts and don’t owe you a damn thing…
Bet was about True Market Value that Chase Utley would receive once a Free-Agent, since the Phils resigned him, while under Contract, no Free-Market Value was established and because they overpaidfor him before he ever got to test Free-Agency makes no Bet… It’s the way it is …
really that was the bet? where was that said? who did you make that bet with?
because here is all the details of the bet you made with me
posted on
“Notes From The Phillies’ 3-1 Loss To St. Louis”
mhenski
July 26, 2013 – 10:33 am
The Phillies and Reuben have a real opportunity to improve this team and get a legit stud for Chase a stud that would be able to start this year and grow and continue next year. Oakland A’s have a lot of stud OF prospects who are ready or close and if you can get one you have an OF of Brown, Revere, Stud with power in right. Then you can go ahead and sign a FA, start Ceasar next year, make a run at Cano or resign chase…
Its a no brainer and all I keep hearing is this resigning Chase talk, unfucking real. IMO if they dont trade him this organization is not committed to winning at all
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Denny Basens
July 26, 2013 – 11:41 am
I agree 100%…can you imagine if they re-sign Utley for say $12 million a year? With his knee condition, Utley is about as risky of an investment as you could possibly make. His best days have been over for three years, and choosing to keep him in the fold rather than bring in some top talent for him would just be completely asinine.
Clearly the best thing to do is to trade him right now…if he means that much to the organization and if he really wants to be here, he can re-sign in the off-season.
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paulman
July 26, 2013 – 12:02 pm
I say keep Utley for the Season and let him finish his Contract out and try to make a Playoff push, for the NL is really struggling right now and the NL East is still up for grabs..
Contrary to what many fans think, there is not much Trade Value for a 35 Year Old with bad knee’s as a 3-Month Rent a Player uless he were to sign an extension with his new Team and outside of the Dodgers, I don’t see any other Team willing to commit a 2-3 Year Deal to him with his helath issues
I could see the Phils offering him a 2 Year – $15 Million Total loaded with incentives as far as games played,plate appearance’s etc,etc and if he’s not interested, then let him walk…
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mhenski
July 26, 2013 – 12:08 pm
lmfao. you are out of touch paul with trade value, and salary demands. chases next deal starts at 2 year 30 million and prob gets 3 years 40 mill. lmfao at 2 year 15 million
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paulman
July 26, 2013 – 1:24 pm
I bet you $10 (your’s or mine Donation to a “Local Charity”)
Oakland A’s already have a good thing going and do not deviate for their BUsiness Model for a short-term Gain, they just have not in the past and believe they will not do so this Trade Deadline either
My 2 Year Deal Scenario is what the Phils would Offer to make a token offer.. You guys are way overrating Utleys Value and Future $$$ potential
He’s 35 for crying out load, has bum knee’s, and is liability defensively, .
Now he would be smart to go to the AL where he can DH and probably extend his Career 2-3 Years but not at $15 MIllion + A Season..No way
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mhenski
July 26, 2013 – 1:44 pm
You bet me $10 that what?
I wager often and play a lot of poker so $10 just wouldnt be worth my while, but if it were a $100+ I may think about it depending on the bet.
If you are proposing a wager the A’s wont trade for him I wouldnt except because I dont think Reub will do anything with him as he said and also because there are a lot more teams out there besides the A’s. If we are talking wagering on Chase’s next deal and I get $11+ per season and you get $11- yea I will gladly accept that
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mhenski
July 26, 2013 – 1:53 pm
except = accept…
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mhenski
July 26, 2013 – 2:05 pm
actually paul ill give you 12.5 and under and take 12.5 and over
thats 5 million more per year than the 2 year 15 million you suggested he will get. bet?
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paulman
July 26, 2013 – 2:37 pm
I will accept,
I am not a betting man for I am too cheap with my $$$, but I have no problem donating to a Charity of your Choice if I am to lose this Bet…
mhenski
July 26, 2013 – 2:55 pm
donate how much to charity $10 or $ 100 ? i dont care its easy more for my charities. as an fyi your donation will be going to craig biggios sunshine kids or heathers fund ( a local cancer foundation ). i will give you my email address after i win.
just confirm the bet size. i have over 12.5 average annual salary and you have under 12.5.
paulman
July 26, 2013 – 3:10 pm
I am good with this Bet
can you tell me where anywhere we discussed free agency or made it part of the bet? all i see is at 10:30 I talk about the Phils wanting to resign chase rather than trade him, then within 1.5 hours you said basically he would get 6 a year, i laughed at you moments later, then you presented and accepted a bet.
where is the free agency?
or is it that there was no free agency talk and you just change the terms of the bet after the bet was agreed to? or you changed the terms after you actually lost the bet?
why would you not look anywhere either? normally if someone says someone is wrong and that person is not wrong they can usually prove it especially here where everything is saved as was our conversation on the 7/26 phillies lose to cardinals 3-1 article
but your just not gonna look just because right?
you made a bet and you lost the proof is all above. free agency wasnt part of the terms at all nor spoken about once. so why are you really not doing the right thing and paying on a bet you made?
Well, I don’t agree with what you are doing, but I have to admire your commitment
i agree its completely low class of me bugsy and i aplogize. but the #1 poster on here made a bet fair and square and lost fair and square and has since made lies saying the bet had to do with free agency but as noted in the comments on 7/26 there was no talk of free agency
more lower class than what i am doing is what paulscum did and he still has the opportunity to admit his mistakes and pay his debts to the charity he lost to.
i understand some people just dont have the means to lose $10 as money is very tight for some people but in lieu of sending payment to my charity if paulscum was real and said something like look im sorry i shouldnt have bet, i lost fair and square but do not have $10 to my name to give you. i would stop or of course he could do what any real man would do and send the money to a good charity. but nope he choses to be a scumbag with no integrity and for that i will continue trolling his posts. balls in his court.
its amazing a bottom 10 qb gets so much press the guy stinks period
vick gets more national talk than brees for fucks sake…
agreed.
Everybody relax, Vick will start and I believe that Kelly isn’t exposing none of his gameday plays at all on both offense and defense (so I hope on defense). I believe we gonna come out fast and furious and have other teams on their heels trying to stop us. Just relax and wait til Sept 9th. By the way, WE WILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS!!! Believe in your team for goodness sake. Too many bandwagon “Newbie Naysayers” on here who don’t really bleed green. I love my eagles whether 0-16 or 14-2. Believe in your team suckas!!!!
lmfao
Gimme an E
Gimme an A
Gimme a G
Gimme a L
Gimme a E
Gimme a S
Whats the spell ? Eagles yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
rofl
K Mehenski, you’ve made your point buddy. We get it. I understand you are a little upset over the whole deal, but it might be time for bygones……..I know I often repeat concepts on here, but this is getting a little ridiculous…I now have to scroll through 10 cut and paste posts to find one I want to read.
I have to tell you I’m finding it a little annoying at this point.
Sorry Vinnie maybe you should ask paulscum to pay up instead because as I stated I will never stop trolling his posts ever until he pays up, acknowledges he lost and state he has financial hardships that do not allow him to pay up or prove this bet had anything to do with free agency. Paulscum keeps stating he isn’t paying because the bet was about free agency and if that’s true he should be able to prove it by clicking on breaking news on the home page then going to the 7/26 phillies article.
Sad to say I’m the type of guy that won’t let it go until one of 3 conditions are met and that’s all on paulscum
From today’s practice:
“It also became glaringly obvious that the offense ran at a much quicker tempo when Foles was under center than when Michael Vick was. That could be attributed to different aspects of the offense being installed, but it has been a trend that the offense runs at its most efficient pace when Foles is in there.”
Hmmmm….just like what we saw in the last game.
But I know, Vick’s resume “speaks for itself” so its probably nothing…..
1. Does it ever EVER occur to you that they run different things based on who’s under center (in shotgun)?
For example: They tend to run much more read option with Vick than Foles. They run plays they’ve specifically designed for Vick in practice (they don’t design anything fancy for Foles).
The speed of the offense is the same way. And once again – Vick went no huddle on his second drive – and still made better throws than Foles.
2. Lombardo is the one who wrote that on Twitter. He has a serious hard on for Foles (something you should relate to) and while he will begrudgingly admit when Vick does well (something you refuse to do) he will take any opp to make his bias clear when givent he opportunity.
3. I watched the game again. The most efficient Qb by and large was M. Vick. Brown is a beat and Foles best friend. A combo of Brown and McCoy with Vick is damn near unstoppable.
1 – Perhaps they do run different things based on different qbs. One can handle the up-tempo, one cannot…..
As for your “they don’t design anything fancy for Foles” stupidness, you should re-read the “all 22” article, or the review of the Birds first game on grantland.
You’ll realize they actually ran more of the Oregon/read plays with foles under centre…..so you are talking out of your ass.
2 – Everyone is biased….including you how cannot even begin to admit that your hero might be weaker in this area.
3 – Foles only good because of Brown? Umm…..Desean is Vick’s best friend. Vick is only good because of Desean.
Can you even recognize how ridiculous how that sounds when you say it?
lol.
Vick made Vick look good with that throw.
Brown has been Foles saviour since last year – he did the heavy lifting on that drive (Foles executed perfectly however) and Foles showed he’s an excellent game manager.
“You’ll realize they actually ran more of the Oregon/read plays with foles under centre…..so you are talking out of your ass.”
Those aren’t plays designed specifically for Foles. Barkley ran similar things as well. Keep trying though.
“One can handle the up-tempo, one cannot…..”
One can throw touchdown passes and one cannot. One can throw further than 10 yards – one cannot – we can continue to play that game on such a small sample size – OR we can recognize they were asked to do different things – based on the looks the defense gave – and they did them – successfully.
You can’t do it can you.
You can’t admit he might have a fault.
You can’t even begin to imagine that maybe, just maybe, he isn’t suited to run a play every 20 seconds…..
Lets sum up your last couple posts:
Of couse Vick can run the up=tempo offense….he just didn’t this time because of Chip Kelly. (It Can’t ever ever ever possibly be Vick’s falt….always someone else.)
He’s got the best arm, the best legs, the best td passes, the best awareness, the best escapability, the best ability to run the read option, the best.
His competition is only good because of Bryce Brown.
Without Bryce Brown on the team there would be no competition for the superstar.
He’s the bestest bestest bestest at everything…..e(xcept being a consistent QB. But that was everyone else’s fault).
And you say everyone else is biased.
Brandon Lee Gowton @BrandonLeeSBN
Also a CFL scout from the Saskatchewan Roughriders here at Eagles practice.
They’re in first place. Vick could finally win that elusive championship as backup to Darian Durant.