Last night the Eagles offense continued to show the potential of being a high-powered, high-scoring attack, but there were far too many mistakes by the Michael Vick-led offense in their 31-24 win over the Jacksonville Jaguars. The Birds turned the football over three times and blew numerous chances to score.
“We were again our own worst enemy on the offensive side of the ball,” Chip Kelly said afterward. “We turned it over three times. One was on a punt return by Damaris (Johnson) by and the one (Bryce Brown fumble) that goes through the end zone. And besides that, the two big penalties where we had huge first downs where we get them called back because we got penalties, whether it was on the 4th-and-1 or on the third down early in the first half. So those are the things that kill drives – the penalties and the turnovers. We need to continue to work on that.”
Eagles starting quarterback Michael Vick made a costly mistake when he tried to throw the football away as he was falling backward. The pass was picked off and it looked much like the errant passes which he has thrown over the last couple of years. Vick was cool in the pocket otherwise and made some outstanding throws including hooking up with Riley Cooper for a nine-yard touchdown.
He’s got to be patient and not try to force anything. For most of the evening he protected the football, by pulling it down and running with it, or throwing it away. Vick must play with the faith that he’s going to get plenty of chances for big plays, but he must resist trying to force a pass into an area that is too congested.
The Birds starting QB completed 15 out of 23 passes for 184 yards with one touchdown and one interception. Vick missed a touchdown throw to Brent Celek, who caught four passes for 54 yards. He led him too far, but the tight end was open for six. The quarterback used his legs when the opportunity presented itself, picking up 53 yards on seven carries and more importantly avoiding big hits from the Jags defense.
He was holding onto the football quite a bit last night, but Kelly didn’t think it was a problem. He pointed at the coverage the Jaguars were playing.
“I thought Mike, a couple times, they did a good job in coverage, put a man underneath and ran with receivers”, Kelly said. “The one thing I don’t think he did, besides the one he tried to throw away, he didn’t force the football. And I think he did a good job of keeping them honest and picking up some real good yardage running after they kind of did a good job early in coverage. And if you do that, then the quarterback can hurt you with his feet. …That’s an encouraging thing that when you have a guy back there that when they do have good coverage on you that you can then beat them on our feet, and that’s what he did.”
Eagles starting left guard Evan Mathis had a costly holding penalty to negate a long Vick completion to Celek for a first down into Jags territory. Rookie right tackle Lane Johnson was beaten badly by former Eagles defensive end Jason Babin on the first offensive series for the Birds. It forced Vick out of the pocket and resulted in a sack.
Wide receiver DeSean Jackson had a quiet evening. He didn’t catch anything deep down the field, but Jackson ran a number of comeback routes and as well as an out route to finish the night with three catches for 53.
Second year wide receiver and kick returner Damaris Johnson had a tremendous night returning punts. Numerous times he put the Birds in scoring position with returns. Chip Kelly has focused on improved play from the special team units and it’s worked out. Everything Johnson did was a good except an ill-advised leap in the air and fumble, which put the Jaguars in position for a score.
Second-year running back Bryce Brown rushed for a touchdown while carrying the ball 11 times for 92 yards, but he was carrying the ball carelessly all night long and fumbled away a touchdown opportunity, which resulted in a touchback and the Birds losing the football. He was playing in the same manner he did a year ago, despite months of being coached to secure the football when he gets his hands on it.
Brown can’t play if he doesn’t protect the football. Despite being such an impressive runner, you can’t risk turning the ball over every time he carries it.
Nick Foles did a good job when he got his chance last night. He took the short underneath throws to the running backs for the most part and the Jaguars defenders were out of position to make the tackles. The running backs were able to catch the short passes, pick up first down and run for plenty of easy yardage. Foles was nearly perfect in throwing the football going 11 of 12 for 112 yards.
The Birds backup quarterback led the offense on a 99-yard drive to clinch the victory for the squad in midnight-green.
Foles should be the starter is not about who’s better it’s about the future you can’t afford to draft a QB in the first round next season they need a impact on defense they should of traded up and got Luke Kuekley instead of Fletcher Cox and if you think Barkley is better than Foles I don’t see it.
The starter is Mike Vick and that was the right call. Foles is not better than Vick and you dont get credibility in a NFL lockroom by playing inferior players…they wont buy it and in this ‘future’ you are talking about…Kelly will be looking for another job if he cant win the players over.
The Offensive line cant get their butts kicked the way they did last night…they need to dominate and be able to open up running holes for the running backs…we dont need Vick throwing the ball as much as he did last night nor running it…the O-line has got to be better
Both QB’s haveshown some very good play, but alsotheability to be inconsistent at timesand make some bad decisions when it comes to protecting the pigskin. Fact- History shows that Vick will at somepoint miss a series if not a game or three. Nick Foles will have a chance to start this season against a first line D to display what he can do during a live fire game. Til then, everyone should relax.
I am waiting on cuts to begin, they may start today. no big names immediately, however I want to see if we can get some defensive back help and receiver help.
Injuries last Evening Games
Arizona lost Top Pick OG Jonathon Cooper to a broken leg and will miss the entire 2013 Season
Cardinals OL Depth is a real weakness on their Team
Maybe the Eagles can Trade Herremans or Watkins to them for one of their back-up CB’s or Safeties which will be an upgrade over the Current Eagles Secondary.. Cards have Starters Peterson, Powers, Cason & Arenas on their Roster as well as Mattieu so they are very deep at CB
@turk LMFAO Ive been waiting on the day Vick just plays Ok so one of these dumb ass,racist,bigot Eagles fans can say something like Foles should be the starter.
Dude Foles was looked great against the Jags, THE JAGS, THIRD TEAM DEFENSE. Hahaha Eagles fans are so retarded and will do anything they can to discredit Vick’.
Guess the idiot Vick haters choose to turn a blind eye to Vick improving and protecting himself better whenever he runs the ball(going out of bounds,not taking the big hit,etc) He also did a great job of gettin rid of the football and not forcing plays. Vick had one BAD play and that was an int he threw while trying to throw away the ball.
Keep up the hate you Fole slobbers. He’s nothing more than a career back up.
Too harsh godgotvick. Foles can play and will probably be better than 2/3 of the back ups in this league, he ran the offense and looked good last night. When you post rants like this you are no better then those you are critical of. Bring it down a notch or 10.
Vick has never been more than a Craptastic backup running back with a good arm.
That does not make a QB. Give me a Manning, a Moon, or someone who knows Football but get this freaking insult out of town.
How many weeks till it becomes funny????
Foles did very well so did the O Line on the Eagles 2nd unit as well as RB’s …TE’s WR’s….So can we say our 2nd and 3rd units simply dominated the Jags 2nd and 3rd units? Yea that makes more sense than giving the credit to one player…….
I watched the game about 3 times already..But I just looked at the play by play on NFL dot com…Every Foles pass attempt, the plays read like this “Foles pass short right” or “Foles pass short left”…Nothing wrong with getting the ball to play makers D Johnson, B Brown who made some good things happen…
I think Foles a solid player a starter on ANOTHER TEAM…Bills, Jets to name a few…But I don’t think Kelly has much faith in Foles throwing the ball down the field. Everyone talks about defenses not game planning for Vick and the Eagles…How easy would it be to game plan against the Eagles with Foles throwing short passes. You don’t think teams will key in on that and force Foles to throw the ball down the field?
I agree on Foles – I don’t think there is any future for Foles here. But I think it’s because of his lack of speed. Kelly was excited that Vick ran for 50 yards yesterday. That seems important to him. He will never see that from Foles.
“O” Line struggled last night. The play calling was Andy Reid ish. 29 drop backs to 10 hand offs. Not much spread or read option in the first half. Smart for Chip in a pre-season game right? Maybe not so smart to keep having your 1st string QB drop back like that in the pre-season if his name is not Michael Vick. Last night we got a glimpse of some of the defensive scheming teams will use anticipating us, saw Vick still has escapabity and good decision making because when it’s appropriate to run he needs to, and where our “O” line needs to be sured up. Johnson is still a rookie with 2 years college “O” line experience. He will be just fine, but will have to continue to grow and learn in the fire. Last night was fire for him. Peters was stellar as usual. Herremans struggled unusually, and Jason Kelcey struggled to find his legs. It was Peters first live action with them so communication on the line needs to improve, and it will as they play together more.
I think having Vick under center and not running any read option was very smart on Kelly’s part. He got to see how Ds would likely play them (Gus said he game planned) with the stunts and delayed blitzes. He has that on tape now and work with the line and Vick on how to better handle that (though I think Vick did a good job with the pressure overall).
Laughing at my Eagles for choosing Vick.
This team is a Joke. Will remain a joke. Kelly is already back in college he just doesn’t know it yet.
Great call going with the “Coach Killer” Hahahahahhaahha
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
How do you spell Joke in the NFC East oh yeah its EAGLES Joke.
Some so called Eagles fans are LUKEWARM at best. LOL ,they are the joke. Stop allowing your dislike for one player turn you into a team hater. Be it Vick or Foles, what ultimate success do you think the Eagles will have this year? Some of you gotta get a grip!!!
I used to come on ths site to get the inside scoop on my birds and debate…now.. its a joke. All anyone cares about the qb. Its simpleton stuff. No depth.. no convos about the nuances of the game… no discussion on the layers that is football. Vick this and foles that. Too many arm chair gm and coaches and not enough listening. Negadelphia all over. I may need to search for another site.. this has become pointless.
There is life after GCobb….there are a number of other sites out there where the negativity does not rule the discussion. Things have certainly devolved on GCobb with the posters…..G and the other writers provide some interesting and informative articles, but the comments always get back to the same old opinions and fights.
I think that’s garbage Stevo,
I, and others, have made countless posts about the state of the Defense (terrible), about how Kelly’s offense – especially concerning time of possession – always terrible at Oregon – was going to adversely affect the defense even more. I’ve written about the Johnson and Ertz picks (that I loved) and how they were good picks.
etc etc etc
You know what happens when we write about those things? Crickets.
Now this is probably because most people agree with those things. Vick however is a polarizing agent. Always has been – between those that think he’s the greatest QB ever who can do no wrong, and those that think he’s an overrated media creation who can never win a championship because he is a terribly inconsistent player who constantly falls back into the same destructive playing patterns every year.
Any thread about Vick creates a shitstrm of comments. Its the way it is, and believe me its the same on every site.
Take a look at TS here, she’s on at least 2 other sites (as Sharlee Johnston and Big Butt and a smile) doing everything she can to defend Vick from his detractors (again I think she should get paid for all the work she does for him)
Go to another site – you’re going to read the same things.
lol.
Says the guy who spends his time elsewhere – big as big a douche as he is here – with the same old tired Vick is horrible – Vick is the devil – etc. etc.
And you’re right I do say the same things.
1. Wasn’t a bad game for Vick
2. The defense wasn’t bad. They actually did pretty good considering.
3. No need to panic and actually a lot to pleased about.
Excuse me for being optimistic about my football team.
“Sharlee Johnston”
Sharel Johnson – at least if you’re going to (attempt) to call me out get it right.
Mike Vick- plateaued at .500 and his ceiling is average
Jason Peters looked decent last night –
Mathis had that costly penalty
Kelce had an errant shotgun snap
Herremans – tough night, beginning to believe he is the weak link on the line
Johnson – gave up a sack on the 2nd play of game ( rookie struggles hope it’s not chronic) Foles escaped a couple Lane Johnson bad blocks last week)
Celek had a good game
Ertz had a nice catch but twice this preseason had a pass ripped from him
DJax had another good game
Cooper with a TD continues excellent run blocking
Avant proving he needs more plays run for him, outstanding thus far
McCoy – looking like an easy 100 per game
Polk – succeeding and giving the birds a good alternative in the backfield
Brown — weakest hands in the NFL
Foles – one play away from entering the game at all time
If one speaks about the o line not clicking.. it becomes a provick comment.
If one speaks about the playcalling.. it becomes a provick comment.
If one speaks about the joke that is our secondary.. it becomes a provick comment.
Watch….
Last night i though our D looked bad again.. and i feel that our secondary is going to cost us games this year regardless of how vick plays.
I also feel that the oline was off last night.vick seemed a bit lost but he also seemed abit rushed. I feel he made some plays inspite of the poor blocking yet he also was careless with the ball on a few plays.
Foles played well and its clear to me (although some are gunna be blind to this) that kelly is running his o more withbthe backups than his starters. I liked what i had seen although it was mostly checkdowns. I am hoping hebcan develope the down thebfield pass because i expect that we will need our backup QB forbat least 2 games this year.
Great analysis Stevo, that is pretty spot on. I posted on an earlier story that Vick/Foles will put up points and the defense will cost them more games then the QB’s but all anyone wants to do is be. critical of the QB.
Disagree with you on the defense. Overall they played pretty well (for what they are). There was the big TD completion on the run – but other than that they weren’t bad. Bend don’t break with them has to be the motto.
“Foles played well and its clear to me (although some are gunna be blind to this) that kelly is running his o more withbthe backups than his starters”
Folk had said that before – but I wasn’t convinced until last night. He did the same thing with Barkley and Dixon.
“I also feel that the oline was off last night.vick seemed a bit lost but he also seemed abit rushed.”
Don’t agree there. re-watched didn’t look lost – did look rushed, but that was a direct result of the line breakdowns – as they settled down so did he.
Eagles Release Safety Kenny Phillips which was expected due to his inability to stay healthy and return to playing and practicing..
It’s a shame, but he has had 2-3 Knee surgeries and continual swelling in his knees..
Foles played well and its clear to me (although some are gunna be blind to this) that kelly is running his o more withbthe backups than his starters.
Stevo,
Kelly ran the same zone read with the starters as he did with the backups. The quarterback has several options on every play. If it’s a pass, the quarterback decides what receiver to throw to depending on how the defense lines up in coverage.
Vick always takes too long looking for the deep receivers – Foles is much quicker to settle for the safety valve, or bubble screen. Kelly even pointed that out – Kelly said of Vick, “I thought he did a good job keeping plays alive at times, but there are other times when you have to cut your losses and get us back to the line of scrimmage and get the next play off.”
All the Vick supporters complain that Vick was asked to run an Andy Reid offense – they need to wake-up, what they are seeing is a Michael Vick offense. No coach including Reid wants a quarterback to run around in the backfield waiting foe DJax to get open. That’s Vickball.
– Kelly ran the same zone read with the starters as he did with the backups. The quarterback has several options on every play. If it’s a pass, the quarterback decides what receiver to throw to depending on how the defense lines up in coverage. ”
Except when the defense puts a kibosh on it:
“Gus Bradley and company were ready for the Eagles’ zone read. Boiled down to its simplest form, the play leaves an edge defender unblocked. If that defender crashes inside to the running back, the quarterback keeps the ball and runs. If the defender stays home, the quarterback hands the ball off.
Under those terms, the offense really should always win if the QB makes the correct read. But that’s obviously not how it works on the field. When writing about how to defend the read option, Chris Brown of Grantland recently explained the “scrape” technique. The idea is that the unblocked defender crashes inside, taking on the running back, while a second defender comes up and fills his place to account for the quarterback.
The Jaguars got the Eagles using this scrape technique in the first quarter.”
They game planned and that is one of the common techniques used to stop the zone read. There are counters for it (which Kelly has used in college) – but there was no real need to make those kind of in game adjustments in a pre-season game. Let it play out and see how your starters do.
– “I thought he did a good job keeping plays alive at times, but ther- Kelly did not run any option in the first half untill late in the second.e are other times when you have to cut your losses and get us back to the line of scrimmage and get the next play off.” – that was in reference to the INT. Not the rest of his play.
– “Foles is much quicker to settle for the safety valve, or bubble screen.” Did you listen to the center and all of Chip’s presser – his words – Vick did a good job of taking what the defense gave him – per Kecie defense basically took away the bubble screens and some of those quicker throws.
Great points. Same idea in madden with the read option. I love the convo here… wow… im amazed. We should do this more often… im going to try not to get sucked into the stupidity some spew anymore.
TSJohnson,
Are you kidding me? Kelly’s zone-read offense has long ago solved the scrape (or gap exchange). Whats more, that applies only to the running game – it has nothing to do with pass plays and holding the ball too long.
Is there no limits to the bullshit you will fabricate to defend Michael Vick? Jeezz, read the title of this article “Mistake-filled Performance By Michael Vick And Eagles Offense, In 31-24 Win” And that from GCobb, a Vick apologist.
Here’s some advice TS, don’t regurgitate “Defending the Read-Option” article from Grantland website to me. I know as much or more about the the zone-read offense and defending it as Chris Brown, the author of the article. And I have watched enough game film to know what I’m looking at…
If you like Michael Vick, you better hope he starts doing a better job of reading the coverage and getting rid of the football. Because if he continues to play from his own playbook, you will be sad soon.
I actually didn’t “… regurgitate “Defending the Read-Option” article from Grantland website…” to you.
That was a quote from Sheil’s article on the subject – because there was a break down of the various plays there. I’m well aware that Kelly figured out how to stop the “scrape technique” but you’re assuming any of that was in play last night.
The Zone Read Triple option is the most common way to counter the “scrape technique” 9feel free to correct me if I’m wrong) – but once again Kelly didn’t game plan for Jags – as far as I could tell he didn’t make any in game adjustments – so none of those “counters” were in play.
” it has nothing to do with pass plays and holding the ball too long.”
You’re making a separate argument. And Kelly disagrees with you – specifically when he was asked if Vick held onto the ball too long he said no – but okay irishEagle knows best.
“s there no limits to the bullshit you will fabricate to defend Michael Vick? Jeezz, read the title of this article “Mistake-filled Performance By Michael Vick And Eagles Offense, In 31-24 Win” And that from GCobb, a Vick apologist.”
What bullshit did I fabricate? I disagreed with you – and gave you reasons why. I disagreed with Stevo to on some things and said why – funny he didn’t need to result to name calling to make a point.
As far as the article:
“Eagles starting quarterback Michael Vick made a costly mistake when he tried to throw the football away as he was falling backward. The pass was picked off and it looked much like the errant passes which he has thrown over the last couple of years. Vick was cool in the pocket otherwise and made some outstanding throws including hooking up with Riley Cooper for a nine-yard touchdown.”
Yes he made some mistakes…which have been discussed – I disagreed with some of the mistakes you claim he made. I can do that – unless you are some how the sole authority on Vick and only IrishEagles point matters.
“If you like Michael Vick, you better hope he starts doing a better job of reading the coverage and getting rid of the football.”
Once again no one said Vick had a perfect game I definitely didn’t. But it wasn’t nearly as bad as you (or some others make it out to be) – same on the defense (Wolf bad angle on the TD run being the only major blemish) – And the idea that he was waiting for the ‘big play’ to develop isn’t really backed up by what happened.
“I think you take what the defense is giving you, and I think that a lot of the game they were playing with one-high safeties, stacking a lot of guys down to take away the running game and take away some of the bubble screens, and I think that’s why you saw a little more passing early on,”
There really wasn’t a “trying to get the ball to DJax” moment. It’s like you take old complaints and apply them to this game and make a point that doesn’t exist.
I’ll say it again there wasn’t a whole lot to dislike ’bout the game overall – more positives than negatives (on both sides of the ball” but for the “Vick haters” (since we’re name calling) – no surprise it’s just negative after negative.
I was talking about the read option.
Some of us do like to talk football Stevo, I was sitting in the endzone last night and you could tell the Jags first team defense actually prepared for the read option plays. Now on the touchdown throw to Blackmon he was never covered the Eagles had the wrong personnel on the field, Cole lined up on Blackmon and released him to nobody. On the long TD run Wolfe took a terrible angle. If the secondary can cover just a little the front seven will produce some sacks.
Saw Blackmon playing and it brings up a question. Why the hell does the league allow suspended players practice, work out and even play in pre-season games? Seems kinda half ass to me. If you are gonna suspend a guy really suspend him. Make it an all encompassing penalty. You are completely gone for 4 weeks.
Thank You!!!!
Thank you is for Irish
Also the Eagles didn’t prepare for the Jags running the hurry up either.
TS Johnson just made the best case for foles, Vick majkes poor decisions, foles makes better ones, this s particularly noteworthy considering the differences in experience
“Vick majkes poor decisions, foles makes better ones, this s particularly noteworthy considering the differences in experience”
lol.
Foles has been making better decisions all preseason? Really?
Either Chip is disinterested in a long NFL Career or Lurie came down and said hey look I want to make a mint on the Mike Vick redemption story…so you know play him and stuff…
How can coaches be so very foolish to trust this guy with their career. He is FOOLS GOLD
The “owner wants him” crap has been dismissed a long time ago……
Crap… I did it again…. Sorry… Spew on, I’ll ignore.
Funny how all those red zone problems are creeping in with Vick again. Hmm I wonder what the common (too short) denominator is?
Reminder- it’s preseason.
I remember people saying last year not to worry cuz Vick will be awsome a DYNASTY hahahaha.
I remember the Browns game which was almost lost and well that was well crap.
Highlight of last Season- Foles last minute drive vs Tampa Bay. PERIOD best game all year.
Vick always looks good in preseason (when he isn’t hurt) when he isn’t hurt. Running QB’s (a stupid thing) always look good in preseason. After 25 QB hits then after 50 hits, tell me how good does vick look by about week 8. OH yeah he looks awesome riding the pine with street closthes on!!!!
This team is not going anywhere so why subject us to this DEVIANT again and again and again. He is not a Leader, he will throw anyone in the line of fire to escape.. He has never been coached right in 12 years…..
AHHHHHHHHHHH make it stop!!!!!!
I’ll let you have your rant… I’m not fighting back. I don’t care about last year…. Foles had a chance to beat out vick. I’m sorry it didn’t work out that way. My guess is that foles will have to play at some point. i hope that makes you happy. Hate on my brother… Hate on.
lol.
You mean the problems that happened ’cause Brown fumbled the ball or penalties were called? You know non-Vick problems.
Look there’s plenty criticize Vick on – don’t have to create issues.
was it ronnie brown?
All Gus Bradley’s defense did last year was beat the shit out of every read-option team that Seattle played. They beat the 49ers, they beat the Redskins, and they beat the Panthers.
Bradly uses a 4-3 “under” defense…. If you ask me that is why we have Bill Davis as our DC, because he runs the same defense as Bradley. Kelly knew exactly what to expect from Gus last night.
Look, I have accepted that Vick is the starter. I wish him luck and hope we win games. But I can tell you that the only reason he is starting is because he has foot speed. Kelly has said as much… “It helps when the QB has the speed to get yards when people are covered”… But that foot speed wont keep the job for Vick if he refuses to play Kelly’s game, and he didn’t play it last night.
Let’s hope it get’s turned around because the Jags are far from the best we will see this year.
Irish.. This has been talked about a lot on this is and I’m pretty sure we all agree that dais is he for that reason
Well, when you have arguably the best secondary in the NFL, you can afford to divert your attention to other places, because you know that those GD monster CBs are gonna shut down the other teams WRs. Unfortunately JAX and the Birds don’t have that.
A better headline would have been
“More Lost Opportunities by the 1st Unit Eagles”
“Mistake filled performance” is inaccurate, it’s not like Vick & Co were not moving the ball up & down the field..
Did anyone watch Geno Smith, Josh Freenan, Matt Flynn, Carson Palmer, Brandon Weeden and their Teams first Units on Offense,
Now thise Teams and QB’s were “Mistake Filled Performances”
And you could thro the Patriots & Ravebs 1st Team Offenses in there too..
Excuse making Vick lover. Hahah…how dare u talk about the team!! Jk
I think if the pass thrown to Celek, had been Ertz or Harbor they make that catch…maybe even Casey makes the catch…Celek is the least athletic TE on this squad.
lmfao
Or if the QB placed the ball where it was supposed to be? Vick wasn’t horrible but that was a missed opportunity all on him.
That’s right all #7 fault…pass wasn’t perfect but any of those other TE’s make that catch!…Any NFL QB who has ever played the game does not throw a perfect pass on every drop back, sometimes the receivers make a good play. The ball wasn’t placed perfectly for Celek, however, you can’t just evaluate the QB on passing plays, football is a team game, receivers have responsibility as well… Bottom line Celek is the most unathletic TE on the team….he didn’t dive for the ball he fell down just trying to extend for the ball…fact he has been among the league leaders in dropped passes as a TE since he arrived in the NFL also says a lot too…But that’s right any one not named Vick gets a pass….
That’s ridiculous. It was a timing pattern which they have run in practice a hundred times. Celek beat his man and was open. QB didn’t make the delivery. It was like 3 ft out in front of him, I don’t think the other TE’s would have made that catch either. No one was murdering him for that pass, but you just needed to excuse him anyway? It’s preseason so no harm done. Make the damn pass when the regualr season starts. New excuse wrong personell on the field for Vick to excell.
ok got it…Celek is the best catching and athletic TE on this squad…if he couldn’t do it…no one can…got it! Mentioning any player other than M Vick and their fault is ridiculous…I stated the pass wasn’t thrown perfectly by Vick, but I’m making excuses…ok…talk about anyone on the offense other than Vick you will be considered “making excuses for Vick”….
No the pass was not catchable. The play was called for Celek and he did exactly what he had to. If he drops a pass that is near him I rip his ass. It was a bad pass live with it.
…fact he has been among the league leaders in dropped passes as a TE since he arrived in the NFL also says a lot too…
And Vick has been among the least accurate passers in the league – says a lot too!
I can’t imaging why you are taking such offense to GCobb pointing out that Vick threw a bad pass to Celek in the end-zone. Vick has the lowest career completion percentage of any veteran starter in the NFL who is not named Sanchez or Locker. He throws lots of bad passes….
Who’s taking offense…you guys are taking offense because you think I’m making excuses for Vick…nothing to do with TE player evaluation…You guys are ridiculous…me pointing out that Ertz, Harbor, could have made that play…is that big of deal, only because you think I’m making excuses for Vick…I’m talking about skill level as a receiver and Ertz and Harbor are quicker bottom line…they could of possibly ran underneath that pass…But of course you don’t see it that way….everything revolves around Vick to you guys.
Is anyone else concerned about the way Vick threw the ball straight up into the air after getting stacked? Every year we hear about how this 12 year veteran has improved and when the bullets start to fly it looks like the same old Vick to me.
Wait for the real games man, some people say they were tanking or just trying out certain elements Saturday. Monday night two weeks well see what happens.
and we know what you “hope” happens!
you grow a brain?
Nah I take that back…Ive already stated what I want to happen. You believe what you want to believe.
Vickuse review:
Right after the game it was :
1 – bad oline….sorry “horrible” oline (TS’ words)
2 – “Andy Reid” plays
3 – Chip not calling “his” plays in the first half
and today’s thread we add
4 – offensive line got its butt kicked (and old standby)
5 – Vick only had ONE bad play
6 – “O” Line struggled last night. The play calling was Andy Reid ish”
7 – Kelly only running “his” offense with the backups???????? (so stupid)
8 – the Jaguars gameplanned us (WTF does this mean – every team will gameplan)
9 – Celek isn’t athletic enough – too bad Ertz or someone else wasn’t in there…maybe Tony Gonzalez would have helped or something.
Only 9? And a couple repeated a few times!!!!
That’s weak Vick lovers. Step your game up!!!!!
But good to know that, despite this being the “perfect” offense for Vick, you’re still in solid pre-season form prepping all the excuses you’ll be doling out every week.
BTW – this isn’t about how Vick played poorly…..he didn’t really…..it was a fully mediocre game, but not terrible.
But what the game showed was that all Vick’s old flaws are still there, hiding right under the surface….when he met the first team that gameplanned a bit we saw the old foibles resurface (too long with the ball, too much scrambling, a late pick, spinning with the ball out. keeping both teams in the game with good plays followed by stupid ones………etc)
When teams really do gameplan, and then start adding in blitzes and disguising coverages, we’re going to see more of it.
Vinnie…I’d normally comment to you…but since I’ve already put you out of your misery? why? enjoy the remaining weeks you have….
Vin not sure if someone besides me said but after the 2nd drive I think I said who is calling the plays Reid? Wasn’t about Vicks success or failure just didn’t look like chip to me. Wasn’t an excuse for him just an observation. Now if someone else said the same thing but in the context that that is why Vick was playing shitty then ok that’s a bad exuse
I wonder if CHip kept the Play-Calling rather Open for Vick to decide just to see how he would react and play.. It’s very obvious that when Foles is playing, Foles is following script & verse on ever play and read and toss..
Vick seems to have more Freedom on options to use, and probably Kelly getting a good idea on what he sees and what he doesn;t as far as Teaching Tools…
I had some questions about the play calling too. I know it is just a preseason game and they do not want to show anything, but the run pass ratio in the first half, I don’t have the stats, but it seemed a lot more passes than I was expecting out of Kelly. It seemed like Shermer was calling the plays for the old Reid teams.
I am confident that they are holding a lot back with regards to scheme, but I was paying attention to some early trends. Also, I have been waiting to see more out of Casey on offense, and also didn’t see much from Harbor at WR like I thought.
Even the Vick lovers got a strong whiff of the 2012 Michael Vick in that Jags preseason game… So much so that they had to invoke the name of the 2012 coach in their excuse machine.
I think Vick won the job based on the first 2 preseason games but Vick has a reputation in doing stupid shit that Vinnie outlined very well and until he stops doing stupid shit nothing going to change with peoples opinions. Would we think that Bryce Brown didn’t have a fumbling problem after being in the league 12 years just because we had a different coach and Brown said so?
haha….that attempt out of bounds when he was already down…was some stupid shit…I agree! But me I can get past that…and hope he makes better decisions moving forward.
Vick doing stupid shit goes way back before the Jacksonville game. It was just another example. But I agree with you completely I wish him well moving forward
Hope he gets better moving forward……
Thats what Falcons fans said for years!!! Hhahahahahahaahah