Yesterday Eagles quarterback Michael Vick and Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III were tossing complimentary roses to each other with their interview comments. Griffin was interviewed first and he talked about admiring Vick from afar, as a youngster.
“Vick was definitely a guy that, it was hard not to watch him,” Griffin said. “He was a lot of fun to watch out there playing, not just running the ball, but also throwing the ball. He’s paved the way for a lot of quarterbacks, like myself.”
Vick tossed back a bouquet of roses to the youngster while discussing how he paved the way for athletic quarterbacks.
“It means the way I’ve been able to play the game has trickled down to the younger generation,” Vick said. “I’m a fan of his just like he’s a fan of mine.”
“I was running the read-option before RG3 was running the read-option,” Vick said. “It’s a dimension that’s been added, and he’s taken it to a new level.”
Yes, Vick led the way with the read option because he’s ten years older than Griffin, but the younger quarterback has taken the idea of a double-threat quarterback to a new level because unlike Vick the last couple of years, Griffin makes big plays, but is always under control and stays away from turnovers. For the most part, Vick has played under control during this preseason, but we’re eager to see how he plays during the season.
Redskins veteran cornerback DeAngelo Hall, who played with Vick in Atlanta and now plays with Griffin in Washington, compared the two quarterbacks.
“RGIII is like, ‘I know athletically I’m pretty good, but I want to be mentally great. If I can be mentally great and athletically good or great then it is scary.’
“His ability to want to be that great quarterback now and just a great athlete is what is going to separate him from all the other guys out there.”
In a way Vick has admitted that he had that type of mindset during his years in Atlanta, but now he appreciates the mental parts of the game much more than he did before.
Griffin, the young Heisman Trophy winner turned the ball over only seven times during the 15 games he started for the Skins in 2012. That’s averaging less than one turnover every two games. That’s the way you win in the NFL. Vick who in fairness didn’t have the running game to support him the way Griffin did a year ago and he was asked to throw the ball much more by Andy Reid, has been a turnover machine the last couple of years.
There’s no question that the veteran could pick up something from the way Griffin played a year ago. He performed with great discipline and under control, while making quick decisions and throwing the football accurately. The youngster is also planning on protecting himself by sliding and running out of bounds this season when necessary.
“It’s not something you want to harp on,” Griffin said. “But it has been something I’ve heard for the past eight months, about sliding and getting out of bounds. So that’s something I’m going to do. It’s just a part of playing football. You live and you learn.”
In all likelihood the quarterback that plays under control and stays away from turnovers will probably be playing for the winning team. We all hope it’s Michael Vick.
The winner of this game will depend on which QB plays better…And that better be Vick. Vick should have by far the better game (much more passing/rushing yards than RG3). I mean RG3 hasn’t even thrown a pass in a game since last year. And he just tore his knee up months ago. And he doesn’t have the 100 plus games of experience that Vick does either. No excuses for a 33 year old vet. He better play great this year in comparison with other vet starters and play 16 games. On top of it, this team needs to make the playoffs. If you are starting a 33 year old vet, as the leader of the team he better have the team in serious playoff contention come December. Its pretty simple. If he doesn’t, not only will he hear it from the fan base but he will be out of a job come next September. Just look at how fast veteran QBs are out of the league these days.
Yea pheaggs because the defenses have no say on the outcome of games and how the season plays out right? Vick could put up pro bowl numbers and lose games week in week out because but the defense can’t stop anybody and it’ll be his fault.
Biglion, it will come down to the QBs just like it does the majority of the time in the NFL. Its a QB league, and the teams that win are the ones with quality QB play first and foremost. hell just look at the Colts/redskins last year. Both defenses/Olines you name it were nothing special. The QB play brought them both to the playoffs in spite of the deficient Def/Olines.
Neither the Redskins/Eagles have stud defenses. Both secondary are very questionable. I don’t want to hear excuses. All I heard on here was no excuses for whoever the QB is come the Redskins game. Based upon the present circumstances surround RG3, Vick should be drastically better Monday night. Much better than guy that hasn’t even thrown a pass in a game since last year/coming off serious knee injury.
And even if the Eagles give up 40plus and lose games this year, Vick better play lights out on offense and be putting up something close in points. At 33, he better not be in the league with the Sanchezs/ Weedens of the league. He needs a top 10 year or he will be gone sooner rather than later. No excuses.
The defenses are going to determine who wins this games. Neither are very good. The one who sucks the least…wins.
I disagree. The Skins are a running team, so they will try to pound it inside with Morris and outside with Helu all game just like they did last year. I think that the biggest hurdle that the Eagles will face on Monday is whether or not they can contain the Wash rushing attack.
Morris and Helu. Just like they did last year.
You mean like last year when in the first game Morris had 20 carries for 76 yards and Helu never touched the ball.
Or was it in the second game when Morris was 22 for 91 and again Helu never touched the ball (was he hurt?)
Anyway, settle down on the rhetoric.
RGIII was insane in both games 14 of 15 in the first (with 4 tds) and pretty good in the second.
I think the Birds have a chance because they’ve been practicing against the RO for the past 6 weeks.
It’lll be a typical VIck game….he’ll make a grat play and also cause a turnover that will lead to points….keeping both sides in it, because that’s what he does. It’ll come down to the 4th….will the skins D be tired due to the pace? Possibly. That or the birds D is tired from chasing runners from behind all afternoon.
Yep the Eagles secondary played great in both games, if I recall Griffin was completing passes to guys who weren’t covered by 10 yards.
Sorry that was too harsh. Its just that Morris wasn’t really a deciding factor in either game and Helu didn’t even play.
Last year the Skins got to tee off on a rook QB making his first start, and they did. Capitalizing on turnovers and rolling to an easy wiin.
I thought the second game was extremely positive for the kid Foles (and the team of scrubs around him at that time). Saw the same team for the second time and performed much better. Keeping the Birds in the game right thru till the end. Moore catches that perfectly thrown ball in the endzone and the Birds walk out of there with a victory. Was too bad. (Oh and improved qb play the second time the same team is played is unlike a certain someone else who often has lesser games the second time he sees a team in a year….)
But again, the Skins were just a better team overall by that point in the season. ANd they were still fighting for a playoff spot.
This game should be close, like most Birds/Skins contests are.
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/multimedia/videos/Vantage_Point_Memorable_Redskins_Games/1fd876bc-ba38-41f5-b0d2-bbf9520e9d41
Says it all you TROLL!!!!! Completely missed what I said. If your gonna post READ THE FRIGGIN COMENTS!!!!!!!!
I mispoke Vinnie, but thank you for correcting me. What I meant to say is what they did all of last season meaning Morris with 1600 yards and 13 tds. My point is that the Skins are a running team and that is what they will do on Monday.
Hall is correct and its obvious. he knows this because he played with both but its obvious because in RGIII rookie season his completion percentage was 3% better than Vicks CAREER HIGH, his passing yards were 106 yards less than Vicks CAREER HIGH, his passing TDs were 1 less than Vicks CAREER HIGH, his 8.14 yards per pass beat Vicks CAREER HIGH and his QB rating beat Vicks CAREER HIGH.
Fact RG3 rookie season was better than Vicks best year ever. RG3 can do everything better than MIke ever has, this is just fact.
So thanks Captain Obvious Deangelo Hall.
Even gets hurt just like him. LOL
he missed 1 game last year…
Vic gets no respect as a Veteran Professional QB that changed the game. RGIII was one of the most electricfying rookies that you will ever see, and with all of his athleticism, making the playoffs, his CANNON for an arm, HE HAS NOT DONE SHIT IN THE NFL!!!!!! Give this man his damn props PLEASE!!!! its not black or white anymore ITS JUST STUPID!!!!! If not for Vick’s eye opening mobility, and crazy arm strength. Then no RGIII, Kapernick, Russel Wilson. The NFL would still be sour on mobile QB’s. They still pretty much are.
You have heard of Randall Cunningham haven’t you? The ‘ultimate weapon’ Doing things ‘no one has ever done before’
And before him Fran Tarkenton.
Just to review….there have been scrambling QBs who could throw far long before Vick.
In fact, your comment about how the NFL would still be sour on mobile QBs IF NOT for Vick should probably be turned around a bit.
The NFL has probably soured on mobile QBs BECAUSE of Vick.
Its up to RGIII, and Kap etc to restore the now tarnished image of the ‘make exciting plays but never consistent enough to win it all’ that Vick wears around his neck like the Albatross.
Few more days Vinnie….few more days!
One of the most insightful commentaries, you can enforce a bet bet made on vinnie’s end but the this site will suffer, soon all you will here is the dogma, religious like fervor for one man
ty jake
What will be your new name Vinnie?
Ahhhhhh… how about (I’m just spit-balling here)
1. PocketPasser777
2. vincedog
3. Eagles_eh!
4. GodGotFoles
5. 7=4-12
Pick any one you want… lol
My fav
18+14+10=7
Nice
Not even close, vinnie will be reincarnated and he shall be called…
“Vincedog”
Vin no matter what others say your stats were usually right on. Even if you dont return the Cult of Vick will implode when he is again shown for the fraud he truly is.
Here’s some insight…There is no disagreeing with RGIII being more accurate than Vick as a rookie…However, the coaching staff of WSH, the O Line, RB, WR, TE’s has a lot to do with that, the system in which RGIII played in college as well. In comparison to Vick, RGIII dropped back to pass 250 + more times than Vick did his last year at VT…But as I’ve said many times before putting the players in the position to succeed..without making a dynamic player like a RGIII one dimensional. WSH was able to find the right mix of pass/run for RGIII. I’ve always wanted to see what Vick could be if put in the right system where he could reach his full potential……You, Vinnie, myself and everyone else are about to be witnesses first hand!
so this is over an entire year? Right? If he sucks first game or is lights out this is an over the legnth of the season thing? does it count if he gets hurt either way? No one is hoping but it is Vick’s usual M.O. no matter the Offense.
Glad you’re saying it real.
No excuses at all for Vick.
So no complaining or excuses when he hovers at career averages 59% 3000 yrds passing, 18 tds, 14 ints, 10 fumbles over 13 games…ranking him around 20 for nfl qbs as the birds limp to 8-8.
never mind randall, tarkenton and freaking steve young!!!!! what? Vick is not a ground breaking qb… he is average at best- 1 playoff win in like 12 years… Vick seriously??????
RG3 is 10 times the QB as vick already!
Gunna be a huge game. What im hearing from you guys is that… the skins will win if the Rb’s tear it up… or their D stops us.. or their qb has a great game. Ok…. team sport… gotcha.
The keys for us are as follows……
1. Shut down their run game- they have 3 sets of legs that can kill us AND… the real joy of the RO is that you can run to the right, the left, or up the middle WITHOUT showing ANYTHING from the line. IF we can shut is down altogether we can rely on our amazing secondary to……oh.
2. CB need to step up- In order to stop their run game, we are going to need to contain them…. that means DL, LB’s and even the safeties are going to have to be on guard against the run. Can our new CB’s hang with the skins speedy wr’s? I think we are going to find out.
3. Our run game- I have been waiting and waiting and waiting to see what a run game can do for this O. I strongly believe that 1 problem with our qb has been a lack of a run game to keep the D’s honest (but not his only problem)… if they run the ball on Monday and use little dump offs across the middle/under the zones, i think we could surprise them.
Im going out on a limb here and say… Eagles 31 Skins 24. But im not betting ANYTHING on this game.
Strength of Redskins Defense is their Front #7 in Stopping the Run,
The Redskins Weakenss is their Secondary and an Average Pass-Rushing Group as a Team.. Running on the Redskins will not be easy and will take paitience and maybe a hurry up Tempo will help tire out their big DL..
A big thing that concerns me is with the fast Tempo nad running plays every 20 seconds only really works if you can make First Downs to sustain Drivers… Running a Fast Paced with having 3 and Outs is a Disaster waiting to happen which puts the Eagles Defense right back out on the field… Chip Kelly will have to be careful when using the fast Tempo
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/multimedia/videos/Vantage_Point_Memorable_Redskins_Games/1fd876bc-ba38-41f5-b0d2-bbf9520e9d41
Sometimes even piss-poor defenses can get lots of turnovers… we need to get turnovers. And we need to be stingy in the red-zone.
Our defense is not great but there’s no reason they can’t be a “bend but not break” type defense that forces teams to kick FGs.
Our offense is fine… We will put up enough points… We just can’t throw INTs, and we can’t put the ball on the ground.
I think this game will be about turnovers!
So what your saying is If our Turnover Machine QB has any more than 3 minutes of playing time we are Screwed. Check and Agree.
Neither Vick, nor RGIII, could wipe Randall’s dirty jock! If Randall, had any sort of coaching back then, he could have went down as 1 of the all time greats! He is my favorite all-time Bird QB, & 1 of the most exciting players in Birds history. IMHO, if the fog bowl didn’t ruin that year, we would have won the SB! Vick my @$$! He is, has been, & always will be, a creation of ESPN slurpers, & Madden games! He is a failure as a QB. GTFO already!