G. Cobb on Eagles-Chargers Game[media id=348 width=480 height=360]The Chargers came into the game with a defensive strategy of committing themselves to stopping LeSean McCoy and the Eagles running attack. They put extra people in the box and dared Chip Kelly and Michael Vick to beat them throwing the football. With any help from the Birds defense, Philadelphia would have been successful, but they got no help from the other side of the football.
McCoy carried the ball only 11 times for 53 yards, which is 20 less carries than he had against the Redskins. The Eagles made the adjustment and threw the football.
Vick played well in the loss to San Diego. He completed 23 of 36 passes for 428 yards and two touchdowns, as well as a two yard touchdown run. His quarterback rating was 123 on the day. Vick played under control, didn’t turn the ball over and took what the defense gave him.
In spite of what was a very good performance, he still could have played better. On the first Eagles scoring drive, Vick threw a low pass to tight end James Casey, who still should have been able to hang onto it for a touchdown. The Eagles settled for a field goal. It came back to haunt them.
San Diego’s commitment to stop the running game, left Birds speedy wide receiver DeSean Jackson in a one-on-one situations all day long. Jackson made the Chargers pay with 9 catches for 193 yards and a touchdown, but it could have been much more.
Jackson got behind the coverage four times. On the first time, Jackson ran his deep route too close to the sideline and Vick didn’t lead him back inside. Jackson caught the ball, but he was out of bounds. It should have been six points.
On the next time, Vick overthrew Jackson because he was under pressure. Number 10 had his man beaten by five yards. It would have been another touchdown.
The next time, Jackson got deep, Vick put the ball out there for him, but the little guy wasn’t able to pull it in. It would have been a tough catch, but it should have been caught. It would have been another touchdown.
They finally connected on the next deep attempt for a touchdown. Again Jackson had a huge day catching the football, but the Birds needed more because of their weak defensive performance. They needed him to go for nearly 300 yards receiving and three touchdowns.
“You’re not going to hit all of them. You’re lucky if you get one,” Vick said. “We made our share of plays today, but we’ve got to get better. You keep firing, but you’re not going to hit them all. You wish you could. Next week maybe we’ll hit them all.”
“As a wide receiver, you love to get those opportunities,” Jackson said. “We’ll go back and look at the film and there are a lot of things we can get better at. In general, no excuses. We took the loss.”
I also have to call Jackson out for the costly penalty he got after Vick scored on the two-yard touchdown run. It was a fifteen yarder, which made a bad situation worse, after the Chargers got a great return on a kickoff.
McCoy didn’t do much as a runner, but he did catch 6 passes out of the backfield for 114 yards. He set up the first scoring drive with a 70 yard catch and run.
Wide receiver Jason Avant caught 4 passes for 39 yards, but he was involved in a key incompletion. On the next to the last drive, Avant should have used his hands to catch the football rather than trying to catch the ball with his body. If he had used his hands to catch the inside route, they may have been able to score a touchdown and put more pressure on the Chargers.
Really G. Your calling out Avant on one fkn play?? It doesn’t matter!!! If we would have taking the lead, San Diego would have came n drove back down the field. San Diego punted ONCE, EVERYTIME that we score, they would have answered. So your basically saying that our offense has to score on every possession because our D can stop shit. No our offense played enough to win this game, yea if we executed on all our possessions we would have been better off. But ur not looking clear enough, wer lucky we forced gates to fumble. This is stupid as shit. Fact is, and we all knew it. Our D blows. And wer not gonna win games with this D. We don’t have the players. We need to be running a 4-3 because we don’t have the. Personnel
TS10, fact is, alot of the nimrods on here, thought we made great FA signings & had a good draft, & thought we improved the defense, just because we got rid of the Mutt duo at CB! They improved nothing on defense. The biggest slap in the face, that nobody has the balls to mention, is we are still $20M+ under the salary cap. We have no safeties, terrible CB’s, no pass rush, & mediocre LB’s.
So-called, huge off-season moves-
Sopoaga- invisible/ softest bigman, I’ve ever seen.
Phillips- hurt & cut, as predicted.
Chung- back-up/ ST’s, at best.
Fletcher- Injury prone & BU, as predicted.
Williams- Penalty machine, can’t cover, bad attitude.
Barwin- Solid.
Casey- Invisible.
Draft-
Johnson- Reach, project.
Ertz- reach/ unnecessary luxury pick.
Logan- Reach, rotational D-lineman at best.
Barkley- Another bust, over-hyped USC QB.
Wolff- Too small, not physical.
Kruger- Gone.
Poyer- Invisible.
King- ????
Meanwhile, guys I wanted, Goldson, Glover Quin, Sean Smith, Derek Cox, Laron Landry, Ricky Jean-Francois, Knighton, all playing well, & doing their jobs, for their respective teams!
completely agree with everything but lane johnson, the kid is a bruiser and already a plus tackle. made some costly mistakes yesterday but that comes with the territory of starting a rookie
on draft day and up until week 1 was over i was thinking he would be a project but clearly he is a player
mh, Johnson was a reach, considering all the good defensive players there, & the value of a trade down that we had, with so many holes we had to fill, in a deep draft. That’s my point. We held all the cards, & managed to @$$ f^#@ that too! Bad talent evaluation, that’s my point.
those players wanted nothing to do with the Eagles – the Eagles were not a desirable place to go this off season. the only one who remotely entertained that possibility was Ricky Jean- Francois and all he did was use the Eagles to get his value pumped up.
on a redraft Lane Johnson would not make it the the # 4 draft pick — Miami certainly would have drafted him instead considering how bad their LT Martin is playing and how well their pass rushers are playing.
Ertz had 2 catches for 58 yards a 31 yarder and a 27 yesterday. The eagles nailed those 2 selections and they both will be feature Philadelphia Eagles for the next 8 years.
Bennie Logan is a solid draft pick who is already getting field time ahead of higher draft pick DL ( graham and curry)
the rest of the draft will produce nothing but the first 3 picks are all excellent selections.
Coulda taken Milner who was benched in week 2 because he played so poorly.
And wtf is bunny curry still doing not being activated, while we have square in there and Benny Logan. They played well in pre season. There RUN STOPPERS NOT PASS RUSHERS. Curry is. We need to switch to a 4-3. Put Kendrick’s, Ryan’s, Barwin at LBs. put cole, cox, Thornton, graham/curry back on the line. Billy Davis is a bum, clearly he doesn’t know how to utilize this personnel. His track record shows.
Tell me how this is possible on just one of the royal TDS. We rushed 3 n dropped 8.. And Royal was wise open with NOBODY in sight. Our safeties are completely useless. We all knew it, no suprise, but to call out Avant.. Get the F outta here fool. The problems the D, because you will have our fair share of mistakes on offense. We can’t execute every play to a T. Even if our D made 5 stops, 5 punts. We easily win this game..but with how shitty our D is, it leaves no room for error on our offense.
Gonna be a long season fellas with this D, get used to it. But man once we get any type of Defense, this team will be unstoppable and SB bound hands down
What is Sopoaga doing, he has one tackle in two games. Absolutely a non factor. Does Bill Davis even know Vinny Curry is on the team? Maybe he thinks he’s hurt. Play him!!! Looking like Cleveland and S.F defense when he was the coordinator.
I don’t know where the Eagles got the idea that the season was going to about having enough 2-gappers.
Have any of the guys they’ve played over Graham and Curry made a play yet?
Bunny curry lmao…. Vinny*
4-3 is coming relax. I anticipate this team switches to a 4-3 very soon. After watching this offense and seeing this division I would think Chip is gonna say all we need is a little defense to win games. I cant believe Chip will keep sacrificing games just to make his defensive system work.
Fletcher Cox ix another Philly made over-hyped avg player at best. For being such a high draft pick he makes 0 plays. Kendricks reverted back to his non-covering, missing tackles, lost in the mix self. Hopefully it was just a bad game. While Dunlap dominated Cole. To not generate a pass rush on Rivers who every week is running for his life is on the players not the coaches.
Cox isn’t over-hyped. The problem is they have him 2-gapping. Instead of being the 3-tech and exploding through gaps, he’s taking on double teams.
You said it yourself, they won’t keep losing games trying to shoehorn our players into this 3-4.
And they can’t possibly justify continuing to bench Curry and Graham.
Defense lost this game. Can’t score 30 points and lose. No pressure on the QB, D-line and Lbs getting pushed around and horrible secondary play besides Boykin. Rivers had all day back there.
If I’m the Eagles I’m cutting Allen today! I’m promoting that kid they picked up from San Fran and promoting him from the practice squad then I’m running to the airport to pick up Kerry Rhodes! He’s still a FA, I don’t care and don’t want to know why, all I know is he’s out there and not because of injury, he played good the last time he played and without a doubt is a total upgrade then Allen or anyone we got on that roster.
Nice post Andrew. I agree. Nate Allen has no business playing in the NFL. Neither does Patrick Chung for that matter either. How on earth is defense so bad? The only bright spot is they are forcing turnovers it’s like they get bored on 3rd down. I’m sure everyone watching the game yesterday just knew Rivers was going to convert any 3rd down they had. I kept praying we would get an interception because that’s historically all he throws but not against the Eagles. He looked like a hall of fame QB out there with all the time in the world to throw. Our front 7 got ZERO penetration.
We need a pass rush! How the hell do u cut Acho n McCoy who destroyed QBs in the preseason n keep Matthews? All that talk about he can play different positions n special teams, big deal! How the hell is that helping one of out biggest needs, Pass Rush!
When the quarterback can have the ball out of his hands in under 2.5 seconds it’s tough for the defensive line to get sacks. Rivers was rid of the ball in less than 2.5 seconds all day long.
Every time we blitzed he dumped it off to Gates or Woodhead quicker than even an unblocked defender could get to him. Gates and Woodhead had the most receptions – most on dump offs.
Our defensive backs never even made Rivers double pump on any of his passes.
Rivers didn’t need all day in the the pocket, because his receivers were wide open all day.
On the defensive side of the ball…the play calling was all over the place…My opinion it looked like random calls were being made. No press coverage, was sending blitzes and playing off in the secondary way too often
(zone coverage). Gotta move those corners up on the WR more. LB’s couldn’t cover Gates, who played his best game in a long time. The penalties on the defensive side. Defense was horrid. Only way they got off the field was from creating turnovers. No pressure even with blitzes, still waiting for V Curry to get some burn! Nate Allen, no clue……Cary Williams, 3 penalties…
Offense played great, but definitely left some points off the board.
The illegal formation penalty, on TD pass to DJAX, only led to 3 points.
The dropped pass by Casey for a TD, only led to 3 points.
The missed FG. You’re talking 11 points not on the score board.
These are plays that I consider to have hurt the offense more than all others.
I didn’t mind the play calling so much in regards to run and pass….The pass was working and they couldn’t stop it…However, I do think around that two minute mark Shady should of gotten some more touches. Would of at least made SD spend their last 2 timeouts…and probably would of got the ball back with closer to 1 min and not 2 mins. Other than that the offense played very well.
Realtalk…
You not very surprisingly forgot the backwards pass that killed a drive
Love that you and TS call it a “dropped pass” by Casey.
Mhenski? posting as Vinnie right? I took Vinnie as a man of his word, lost the bet and would not return…you are making Vinnie out to be a man not of his word…for someone that had a big issue with Paulman not going forward with your bet…
However if this is Vinnie, I have nothing to say nor will I ever read your posts. I can’t respect someone like you.
But yea complain about a QB with a 122 QB rating who threw for 400 plus yards…if you watched the game, you’d see Casey had the ball and the ball came out as he rolled…You know receivers have to make some ‘good ‘ catches sometimes…
whoever you are, you are a clown, ignorantly selective and nothing but a POS!
lots of mistakes to go around yesterday. casey dropping that pass was one, vick throwing at the feet of a wide open casey was another. vick had a helluva day yesterday but as gcobb said, coach kelly said, vick said, desean said, when you lose a game like that it comes down to a handful of plays where if 1 thing turns out different its a win…
that play was one of them and that was partly on vick partly on casey.
however, recognizing the fact the fact that vick is not a great thrower like some of the legends out there you have to expect a few of them per game. vick played out of his mind and was nowhere close to the reason we lost. the reasons were solely defense (specifically the secondary) and chips playcalling. and of course the kicker who had an easy fumble recovery but he tucked in his dick on that play
” recognizing the fact the fact that vick is not a great thrower like some of the legends out there you have to expect a few of them per game”
Huh? No one. And I mean no one suggests that Vick can’t throw a ball. He’s throws the ball with the best of them. That aren’t any QBs who don’t have iffy throws in a game.
Hell Manning (P. not E.) current career is based on iffy throws (since the neck surgery) but he’s stupid smart with the football and has receiving talent that will catch and keep the ball.
why do i have try to converse with someone who thinks vick can throw the ball with the best of em? are you on quaaludes ?
its also funny that you only point out Vick’s mistakes…not others…like the illegal formation, the missed field goal…..Clown!
Casey caught the ball.
Let mes say that again in case you missed it…CASEY. CAUGHT. THE. BALL.
Once you catch a ball…you can’t then say “Oh the QB should have thrown a better ball” He caught the ball. Then he dropped it.
That’s 100% on him.
sure you can say it. there was no point in throwing it at his feet. sometimes in traffic you wanna get that ball low but not if he is wide open.
if a player is wide open where should the qb throw the ball by his feet or between the numbers? its an easy 6 if the ball is where it shouldve been. gcobb and myself can recognize this easily
And anyone with any sense recognizes if a receivers catches the ball..then drops it, then how the ball was thrown was irrelevant…the ball was caught. Blame completely shifts to the receiver at that point.
1st half
6 drives
10 points
11 mins
At this point the D was performing rather well, only giving up 13 points and grabbing a couple of turnovers.
This is the one main problem with Chip Kelly’s O. (and a concern I raised months ago) The Chargers able to grind 19 mins off the clock, wearing down the Eagles D.
By halftime, the vaunted Birds O had scored 17 points over its previous 4 quarters.
So far they’ve put together 4 good Quarters on O, and 4 bad Quarters.
The first 2 good quarters came as a complete surprise against a clearly overrated Washington Squad, whilst the second 2 came in the second half against a west coast team playing at 1:00 on a short week….they were also tired.
The Vick led offense has played well for 4 of 8 quarters.
Why are you such an idiot?
They weren’t even trying in the 2nd half of the Skins game. They attempted what 4 passes…one of which Avant fumbled away.
Total…TOTAL the Eagles had the ball 19 minutes and 43 seconds in the Chargers game. They went a stretch of 20-30 minutes without the ball in the first half at one point.
They punted 3x total that game.
In the first half they scored a field goal. Had a touch down. Had a punt. And had a missed field goal by Henery.
So your points are rather idiotic. As usual. When they got the ball they scored quickly. Very quickly and then Chargers would drag it out. Smart strategy on their end. The offense however, was as advertised.
Facts for you Vinnie before you leave again.
1) Vaunted Eagles offense took their foot off of the accelerator in the 2nd half of week 1
2) Vaunted Eagles offense has scored 63 points in 2 weeks.
If you want to argue that they will tire the D out, then I agree, but you cannot argue with production.
33 points in week 1
30 points in week 2
You can try to manipulate stats all day, but you cannot change those totals.
agreed bugs. no blame goes on to the offensive performance. you can put some of yesterdays loss squarely on chips shoulders but not the offense. playing out of their mind and a pure pleasure to watch.
Vick was limping at the end of the first game.
Vick was replaced at the end of the 2nd game.
time is ticking before Mike Vick’s weak fragile body goes on the IR.
His past proves it and anyone with watching the game can easily conclude Mike Vick is going to get carted off. The only unknown is will the injury be ribs or head.
How about me and you meet somewhere…and we can bet, what part of you’re body gets injured.? does a mudd hole get stumped in your ass….or do you get your jaw broking?
broken
there is the classless trash realtalk i know. threatening and attacking someone personally because they put down a player.
by the way i hate when peoples jaws get broking
youtube.com/watch?v=sNih5G_sTFM
going off at 3 to 1 odds Mike Vick fumbles the ball backwards in the 1st half in the redzone toward the right sideline Thursday night attempting to pass while not be touched.
On the play where Vick got knocked out, Celek (who was also shaken up) should’ve caught that call, which went through his hands. That could’ve been a TD, or at least a 1st and goal. Which also would’ve kept the clock going
I sure didn’t want Vick to be our starting quarterback this year. I would have been happy if he was cut at the end of last year.
BUT – two weeks into the season Vick is as close to perfect as any QB in the league. In all fairness you can’t say anything negative about the way Vick has played so far. There have been a few bad throws, but so few it’s not worth mentioning.
Give him credit – he has been under control and he has played within the system. He has also made very good decisions so far…
i agree with everything you said except
“There have been a few bad throws, but so few it’s not worth mentioning.”
when we lose us fans who analyze the game and rehash it look at those plays which we missed on which couldve won the game had they been successful. unfortunately as good as vick has played there was a few plays which he and i wish he had back. if we win that game he was flawless when we lose you have to look at those missed plays.
keep it going vick
Look for Vick to be resigned to a 3 yesr 50 million dollar extension. After watching numerous teams with pathetic QB play Vicks camp can confidently say there are many teams he could stsrt for. Not just 1 or 2 like the geniuses on this board have suggested.
I disagree, sorry.
And I pray the Eagles don’t make this mistake.
Look for the Eagles to go on a defensive FA spree next off season. With this offense ready to dominate they only have a 2-3 year window with Vick, Shady and DJax IMO. They dont have time to just draft defense, hope they are players then give them 2-3 years to develop. It may be time to find Shady, Vick and DJax replacements by then. Gotta roll the dice with defensive FA again along with drafting defense iIMO.
Eagles could be a tough sell to free agents
Nnamdi Asomugha and Cullen Jenkins cut and Eagles not honoring their contracts
plus all the casualties from this years crop of free agents.
Anybody see Asamough get toasted last night.. His Play has fallen so far so fast and is a shell of himself.. It’s a shame, but it is what it is, and like I said after the 2nd Game as an Eagle, I have never seen such a highly touted CB play the ball once it’s in the air so poorly as he does.. HE never gets his head around to see the flight of the ball …. Just embarrasing to watch
As crappy as our defence has been, they are still more physically than in the last couple years. They have almost as many turnovers in two games as they did all season last year. I think they will improve but a long way to go. Bring on the chiefs
1st quarter:
7 of 12 for 120 1 td and one doinked lateral returned for TD the other way
2nd quarter:
6 of 7 for 70 yrds and one td
Excellent
3rd quarter
no official attempts
4th quarter
2 of 4 for 13 yrds
5th quarter
3 of 5 for 84 yrds
6th quarter
7 of 11 for 117 yards 1 td and that backwards pass fumble thing
7th quarter
5 of 7 for 105 yrds and 1 td
8th quarter
7 of 14 for 114 yrds
Best quarters have been earlier in games. Less effective quarters, late in games….perhaps playcalling…perhaps punishment taking its toll on his body..
Vinnie, you aint nothing but a little bitch! you fake ass fan! Showing up during a loss to jump on a QB who is playing just as well as the top QB’s in the league…and better than some others… I don’t see how anybody on this board can respect you, you loss the bet fair and square but still posting…you’re a little bitch who can’t be taken for his word. You should be back handed….
Get on a plane then if you so upset…though I expect you’ve never left your own neighbourhood.
Actually, I travel for my job quiet often (I was actually in Ireland a few weeks ago, been to Germany this year, France, Reno, Sacramento)…also if you want to compare salaries, I’d love to…what are you close to 50? ……which is why Realtalk doesn’t post every day 24/7 like you did….You’re an imposter in men’s clothing…what upsets me, is I know the type of man I am…had I lost I would of bowed out respectfully and never returned…but I see and so do others the type of man you really are…your character is a big????…you aint nothing but a punk bitch…
He has no honor!
Caveat. The past 2 passing passing performances, excellent as they are, were remember against 2 defenses that have also allowed:
Rodgers: 34 or 42 for 480 4tds no ints
Schaub: 34 of 45 for 346 3 tds no ints
Both those guys had equal to or better performances than Vick against the same 2 teams. That of course can be expected of Rodgers, but pedestrian Schaub was also able to shred the SD D.
Punk ass
He (Vick) can only play who’s on the schedule. Don’t take away from his performance because of the oppositions D. He still had to execute (no pun intended) the plays. Give credit when it’s due!
Not going to waste my time here. Vinnie- didnt take you long to punk out… just like I said you would.
Vick played fine. The O looked good. Chargers did a great job holding on to the ball. and keeping it out of our hands.
The D is what we all knew it would be. Bad. They were scrappy with those 2 turnovers but overall this secondary is BAD. You could throw it all on the QB… like the simpletons ALWAYS do. But the fact remains…. that D has to stop somebody.
I look forward to more games this season. They are better than I thought they would be.
Vinnie I too am a Vick detractor but to nit pick on his performance so far borders on imbecilic. He has been great.
I can not stand that Vick is the QB. (Football and NON football reasons)
I think he has played well against terribly flawed teams. (yes he can only play who is scheduled)
I told many of you to pump the breaks after the redskins game as it was clear the skins were more bad than the eagles are good.
The fact is though that this team is dramatically improved from last year so win a couple games lose a bunch what ever just draft well cause this is gonna take 2 more years to compete honestly.
Vick is the future of this team.
Get use to it.
If no one responds to his post he will go away. Vinnie is one of those dopes that gets his rocks off by getting under other people’s skin. Just ignore him and he will go away.
Amazing that Vick is under question. Casey dropped the ball flat out and it came in a little low bc Vick was aiming around defenders on that play. Every pass a qb throws is not going to be on the money Peyton manning has more than a fair share of scores where Marvin Harrison on Reggie wayne made a great catch, the ball was in his hands. Even if he missed him completely his body of work yesterday was outstanding. If he completes every pass What he would have like 600 yards and 7 scores? really if the Eagles lose I told everyone this site will have more post anti Vick regardless of what he does. hanging on to a fumble that had zero affect on the outcome of the game. Lane johnsons penalty, Vincent Browns non fumble call, james Casey’s Drop, or even Vick missing that play on the last drive are more important.
Its not. By who??? Vinnie? Lol
Really.. dont pay no mind.
This defense is putrid, beyond bad
Kelly’s first mistake was not appropriately addressing the defense in the draft and free agency, at a minimum the second round pick should have addressed defense
Why
I fear that Kelly is like another Coach AR and has little to no idea on how to put a Defense Together.. So it’s up to Billy David and GM Roseman.. Good Grief!!