Eagles Defense outplayed their Offense[media id=353 width=480 height=360]The biggest problem the Eagles had last night was their offensive line’s inability to handle the Kansas City Chiefs defensive front in the passing game, especially the fact that rookie right tackle Lane Johnson couldn’t block outside linebacker Justin Houston. The Pro Bowl left outside linebacker had 3.5 sacks and a forced fumble in the game and the Chiefs defense totaled five sacks.
Eagles quarterback Michael Vick wasn’t on top of his game, which surely didn’t help things, but the Chiefs defensive front was able to hit him and keep constant pressure on him every time he dropped back to pass. Vick threw for only 201 yards on 13 completions out of 30 attempts with one touchdown pass and two interceptions.
The offensive line, which I believe is the strength of the Eagles football team was outplayed last night by Houston, Tamba Hali and the rest of the Kansas City front seven. The Birds did a good job of blocking for the running attack, the Eagles ran for 260 yards on the ground, but they couldn’t give Vick much time to throw the football.
Even on the one touchdown pass that Vick threw, he had a blitzing Chief linebacker blasting him. They did spring running back LeSean McCooy free for 158 on only 20 carries and a touchdown, as well as opening the way for Vick to run for 95 yards himself. Still they could only score 16 points because they couldn’t get the ball into the end zone.
Say what you want about former Eagles head coach and current Chiefs head man, Andy Reid, but he made a great decision to come to Philadelphia in 1999 because the Birds already had Pro Bowl caliber defensive players like safety Brian Dawkins, defensive end Hugh Douglas, middle linebacker Jeremiah Trotter, cornerbacks Troy Vincent and Bobby Taylor. He brought in Jim Johnson as his defensive coordinator and with the drafting of Donovan McNabb, he was ready to win.
He chose Kansas City after he was fired by the Eagles. They already had Pro Bowl caliber defensive players like safety Eric Berry, outside linebackers Justin Houston and Tamba Hali, middle linebacker Derrick Johnson, nose tackle Dontari Poe, and cornerback Brandon Flowers. He has brought defensive coordinator Bob Sutton from the New York Jets defensive staff as his defensive coordinator. He traded for quarterback Alex Smith, no he is ready to win and they’ll probably go to the playoffs this year.
Last night, the Eagles had no answer for the Chiefs pass rush. In addition the Chief’s coverage ability was a huge difference from what the Eagles have seen from the Redskins and the Chargers. It started off early when Pro Bowl middle linebacker Johnson stepped in front of a Vick pass, but let it go through his fingers. Pro Bowl safety, Berry, grabbed the tipped pass out of the air before it hit the ground and took it 38 yards into the end zone for a touchdown.
On the play, Vick stared down tight end Brent Celek before throwing the ball. The Kanas City defenders read the quarterback’s eyes and cut in front of Celek, when Vick let it go, then picked off the pass and ran it into the end zone.
“It’s about execution,” Chip Kelly said last night. “That’s what this game is all about. We have to come back and not put ourselves in these situations. You can’t turn the ball over like that in this league and expect to win. We can move the ball up and down the field, we have proven that, but if we’re going to put the ball on the ground as we did in the first half and throw interceptions that’s not going to win the game for us. You can’t lose the turnover battle.”
The Chiefs had an answer for DeSean Jackson, who came into the game leading the league in receiving. They simply kept a safety over the top of him all night long, regardless of where he was lined up. They single-covered Riley Cooper all night long with no help over the top and dared him to beat them. He caught They’re going to see this coverage quite a bit for the rest of the year. Cooper will need to show defenses around the league that he can beat one-on-one coverage or the Birds are going to face this type of coverage week in and week out.
10 nothing in a snap of the fingers –
Mike Vick, Damaris Johnson, Alex Henery are the first three eagles to blame for that loss
Exactly! you just proved my point EOS, they didn’t beat us, we beat ourselves!
@andrew p
Coach Reid came into town, picked up Howie Roseman’s blue chippers ( Lane Johnson and Chip Kelly’s brain ) and crumbled them up and whipped his a$$ and flushed them down the toilet
Andy also came in here with the number three ranked D n we lit them up for over 430 yards, and that’s with all those mistakes u mentioned. And please don’t forget Andy also walked into the two minute drill with NO timeouts AGAIN! That’s your boy, Mr O who’s D has him undefeated.
You know what tho AP, Andy was at least smart enough to get him a quality DC in Sutton.
i can’t believe you are saying that…ITS FREAKING FOOTBALL…the redskins spotted us the entire first half… did we not BEAT them?
To: Jeff Lurie
From : Andy Reid
Here is your wonder boy Howie’s brown shit stained voluminous 2013 off season blue chip (pun intended) game plan sprinkled with a real 4 & 1/2 sack”HOUSTON” not the texans rejects
To : Andy, thanks for leaving us the mess you left us on D with those great picks of yours. We’re glad you went to a team that had a D with 4 pro bowlers. We sit here and think, if our new coach walked onto a team with the kind of D you walked into, we’d be undefeated too. Signed Jeff Laurie
“On the play, Vick stared down tight end Brent Celek before throwing the ball.”
That’s not really what happened.
He looked left and then looked back to Celek. The issue wasn’t a stare down the issue was he hesitated on the throw. He held the ball too long basically. Had he released it when he should have it would have been a nice throw in a tight window. But the delay gave the LB just enough time to jump the route and tip the ball.
According to Vick, and from what I saw viewing the whole field, he made a bad decision and threw into coverage when he had Cooper on the other side open on a fade route. Vick never looked to his left… It’s simple to view the highlights and see for yourself.
Vick and the Eagles were not ready for linebackers who could cover and rush the way this group did.
I spent all last week trying to tell that kid skayne that KC has a great defense. We saw that last night. The Eagles wont have that much trouble throwing the ball against other teams.
I did see the play several times. The defenders were there but ol boy (the one who made the initial play on the ball) was on the other side.
There was room to make the throw, had he done on time it wouldn’t have been an issues. He didn’t. You can’t make late throws playing with those type of LBs.
But that error like the others he made were unforced. Those throws (whether Vick staring him down or holding the ball too long) are on him.
Holy crap what replays are you watching? He stared down Mr Celek…….That is really what happened.
This really sucks.
Watching them dump Gatoraide on that fat piece of shit….him smiling and laughing knowing that he left us with a team that is without talent….ON OUR FIELD!!! There is nothing worse.
On national TV, we Philly fans act responsibily…nice ovation for Reid and his cohort McNabb…..and then watch as we commit turnover after turnover…pathetic OL play…..Riley Cooper is our BEST OPTION? Reid knew that if they took DJax away, that the others were not enough to get it done.
We have not won a home game in over a year….this is not a good team. Kelly deserves more time before we jump on him too bad, but for those that annointed him as the next Lombardi, you may want to step back and let the season play out.
And for those on this board who were calling out anyone who was not convinced after the Redskins game, calling them less than “real fans”, maybe your enthusiasm was premature?? Not uncommon for a fanbase that is starving for success…but premature none the less. You can still be a big fan and have concerns about the direction of this team. I keep saying that Kelly is a smart coach and that he will figure it out…..well maybe he will need a second draft to start getting the type of players that he needs on this team to be successful, because outside of a few obvious players, they are clearly lacking the talent to be consistant in the NFL.
couldnt agree more greenfan. andy was the happiest i ever saw him, fat fuck acted like he just won the superbowl fuck that guy.
This season is going to put a spotlight on the poor job Howie Roseman has done as GM… the lack of talent on this team is apparent and the free agent signings with Howie’s stamp all over them is pathetic…
Pro football focus has Patrick Chung, Carey Williams and Bradley Fletcher as one of the top 10 worst at their position through 3 games……James Casey was supposed to be a fit for this offense and can’t get onto the field…Barwin is solid, but not the star he was paid to be…. finally, there are no excuses for Howie… he can’t blame Reid for the fecal matter put onto the field….
Vick running Kelly’s offense looks a lot like the offense last year, I don’t see the innovation, I see the same mistakes, looking for the big play, etc, it’s time to see what foles has, you have to think Kelly is thinking the same thing, with foles we would have more grind it out, long drives, keep your defense off the field, we have seen enough, mike Vick makes the same mistakes, will continue to make big plays, but absolutely no consistency
not going to happen. Foles would have been murdered behind this line last night, and by the way, we know what Foles have,….
“THE CLIPBOARD”.
watch the redskins cause your not an Eagles fan….You must get a royalty off of every Vick snap.
McCoy,D-Jax and Vick will end up putting up some good #’s in the this Offense, but as far as the Team goes, the Victories will be few..
Let’s see how the Eagels Record looks after the go on to play 3 Road Games (Bronco’s,Giants & TB Bucs) and then return Home for 2 Games (Cowboys & GIants) maybe Eagles go 2-3 during this strtch to get at 3-5 at the mid-way point.. Who knows.. But I do think that some Veterans that we all knew were neither good Fits in this new Scheme or that their best Playing days are behinfd them and begin to get phased out come the 2nd half of the Season
Players Like Vick, Herremans,T Cole,D Ryans,Soapaga,Nate Allen, etc..
Paulman, are you really sitting here basing things on wins n losses? That’s ridiculous! This season is an audition, its about who stays n who goes, we have a coach who never coached in the NFL, who is implementing a system that was never seen before, who has a D that was a wide 9 D coached by a former O line coach, get real! This is gonna take time, Chip didn’t have the luck that Reid had of taking over a team with 4 pro bowl players on D. You can believe one thing, if he did, we’d be the one sitting with an undefeated record right now!
Most of us already knew wha Players were not good fits and the chord should have cut last Off-Season… Vick at 33, Should the Eagles re-sign him for a new 2-3 Year Deal.. Is he the Future QB of this Team??
OL Herremans, DE/OLB Cole & Graham, LB Ryans, Matthews,
Safeties Allen,Coleman… Do any of these Players have upside or a level of game and performance that we don’t already know about …
Should have scrap the bunch, received additional Draft Picks last Draft and stocked up on good Defensive Talent that was avialable in 2013
The 2014 Draft is very thin on Secondary, LB and even DL Depth..
The Eagles have missed the boat in Drafting for about 5 Years now, so this will not be an easy Fix and the sooner they start, the sooner they can re-make the Club is Kelly’s Likeness which is why I thought and stated numerouse times that bringing VIck back served no real long-term plan and now the QB Postion most likely will go thru an open competition next Season with no clear-cut answer at QB so another year wasted in that respect.. Foles, you have to find out about him this year, is he the answer, maybe,maybe not, but how do you find out is your playing a 33 Year old, turnover prone, late with his throws and poor decision making..What he did last evening is closer to what he is, a few dazzling spectacular plays, then some bonehead plays.. It’s what you get with Mike Vick and most of us know this and know the outcome .. a marginal NFL QB at Best
To be honest I wouldn’t mind seeing a change at QB. Maybe Vick was off because of the 3 games in 11 days, maybe it was because Reid was on the other side of the field coaching, but it’s already known that Vick has a tendency to throw interceptions, because that’s been with him his whole long career. Regardless of what the pressure was there just shouldn’t have been that many passes where the average onlooker could say “Why would he even throw the ball there?” Because the defense kept KC’s offense from scoring on a short field multiple times reducing or eliminating the turnovers could have been the difference between winning and losing.
The other issue…Riley Cooper
…aside from the fact that he should have been cut a month ago it confounds me that the coach didn’t even attempt to substitute Damaris Johnson or Jeff Meahl to see if somebody could have actually caught the ball or been more effective against Sean Smith.
Unless you’re a poor to mediocre team you can’t just concede a third of the field because you have a mediocre WR that can only catch the ball if the QB puts it in his gut if there are alternate options. Personally, I think Cooper should be released to make room for Greg Salas. This would also allow the Eagles to bring Ifeanyi Momah onto the practice squad to try continue to develop him. Rotating Salas, Maehl and D. Johnson when possible at that outside WR spot would be far better than just leaving Cooper out there.
I have to disagree about Vick, he was exhausted as the whole team was.. As for Cooper? I’m with you 100%, what the hell is he even doing on the team let alone starting? He better start being on the non active roster starting next game, that was embarrassing!
the whole team was exhausted? why because our d played 40 minutes of football (really like 5 minutes of actual playing) 4 days prior and the offense played 20 minutes of football (really like 2.5 minutes of football 4 days prior?
if our professional athletes on our football team were tired because of this we dont have very good athletes and they surely arent earning their money
No, cause we did something no other team ever did, play 3 games in 11 days! I can tell from your comment you never played ball in your life! Your looking at the clock and saying the O only played 20imutes, go check, we ran as many plays as the chiefs who had the ball twice as long.
And the chiefs played 3 games in 12 days had the same amount of prep time this week Also so really it’s a wash. Home field advantage should’ve played.
No, they played 3 games in 18 days, that’s an extra week of rest, if your going to sit here n say that doesn’t make a difference then theirs no point in going any further. Here’s the bottom line, new coach, new system, it’s gonna take time and once it comes around we’re gonna be the team to beat! everyone’s on Andy’s jock like he’s doing something, if Chip would of walked on this team and had that D with 4 pro bowlers waiting for him, we’d be undefeated too!
May want to double check your math or ask someone too count for you. Eagles 3 games in 11 days, chiefs 3 in 12. Lmfao at 18 days. Haaa
The Chiefs played 3 games in 12 days, but their first 2 games were on normal rest, with only the 3rd on short rest.
We played our 2nd game on short rest, and our 3rd on even shorter rest. It took a huge toll.
Lmao terrible excuse. Chiefs had as many days to get ready for this game as us period. I know Andrew doesn’t know how to do math so I get it that he thinks chiefs had 18 days for 3 games and we had 11 and that unfair. But it’s not true. There was an even playing field and prep time for this game and we failed Vick played awful and so did d Johnson both lost us the game.
KC PHI
Total Plays 77 63
Turnovers KC PHI
0 5
Doesn’t matter how many plays you run when you turn it over every 12.6 plays.
Vickscuses have started and the Cult is starting to quiver!
Waste another Game, Waste the season on a known quantity if you must but your answer is that 7 is an average QB. All offenses look the same with 7 at the helm. Hold the ball, Run with the ball, get it batted, get it picked, fumble it. Just a matter of time.
This offense was made for Vick!!! If that is true FIRE CHIP NOW because you must controll the course of play and you can not do that with this defense and an offense that does not consistently get it done.
Mike Vick gives the Eagles the best chance to win?
Mike Vick is now 1-8 in his last 9 games.
How many games must Vick win for you to approve?
Are you also including the incompetent defense and depleted offensive line last season into your assessment of the last 9 games Vick played?
Last Question.
Do you think Tom Brady, Manning, or any QB in your mind would have took this seams team to the Playoffs last season under the same circumstances Vick played under?
No conjecture.
Answer the questions.
I don’t give a damn about any of those quarterbacks songs
I got news for you songs, within three games Vick will be injured or benched, and I ain’t making any dumbest bets with you, just deal brother
3 games
1 pick
1 pick six
1 doinked pass for another -6.
Good times
But we are Morons who don;t know how this system and this coach are what the whole universe was waiting for to unleash the limitless potential of STARSHIP 7. LOLOLLLOLLOLOLOLOOOLOLOLOLOLOL
1st good defense:
staring down WRs? Check
blitzers driving him to the turf? Check
inaccurate throws? Check
fumbles? Check
doinking passes off dline? Check
dragging himself off the turf? Check (for each game now)
But he can run fast.
Good times.
How many games before he just doesn’t get up.
My only hope is that Chip saw how bad this team was and how loyal they are to 7 and he has to kill the guy off. (NOT LITERALLY KILL for all you out there thinking i am calling for his head I am NOT. I DO NOT want Vick harmed I just want him out of town)
Will he beat shady in a footrace in week 8?
Does Peyton Manning Break the record and throw 8 touchdowns against us next week. If he gets 40 minutes of offense I would almost lay money on it!
You are absolutely right G Cobb! There were other factors involved, but this game was primarily lost by the O- line. The major culprit was our # 1 draft choice Lane Johnson. The OLB on his side reighed havoc in the Eagles back field all night. Heremans wasn’t much better and even our perennial “All Pro” Peters was struggling. The ‘Big Men’ up front were consistantly pushed back into the pocket leaving Vick with very little room to set his feet and throw. I even saw one O-lineman ‘Pancaked’ into the Eagles backfield. The Chiefs had the Eagle Oline so disoriented that one time the center forgot the snap count and the whole team jumped off -sides. Even worse Kelce snapped the ball to the guard and fumbled it express mail to Kanas City.
The bottom line is that the Chiefs were able to bring extreme pressure without using extra people. This was the key to defeating the Eagles passing game. Unfortunately the coaching staff did not make adequate adjustments (play calls) to counter the pass rush. I like Chip Kelly. He’s an offensive genius but has shown he has much to learn and is still a “rookie” in the NFL.
celek t this point looks like nothing more than a blocker ertz should start nd if I was Howie I would offer the browns a 3rd rd pick for josh Gordon or see what it would take to get joe hadden
Smitty, you read my mind.
CLEVELAND HAS PLACED JOSH GORDON ON THE TRADING BLOCK.
Sense Cleveland is in a good mood, see what it would take to get Josh Gordon, to pair with DeSean, and Maclin on a bargain deal. Got to have him. Considering his behavior history, a 3rd Rounder is reasonable.
There is no way they give up Joe Hayden. You have just as good a chance to get Joe Thomas from them. Not gonna happen brother.
Oh, and screw Ertz, he is nothing. His best years are behind him in college. Shouldn’t have been drafted. Didn’t need him. He’s done nothing for us. I see no more potential then I saw in Clay Harbor. Just another name coming out of college; Overhyped bust. So, spare me the Zach Ertz rah rah.
It will be Interesting what the Eagłes decide to do about WR Jeremy Maclin
Do you cut the chord with him, Offer a 1-2 Year incentive Deal based on the fact he’s missed many games in his 4 Years as a Pro or do you move on and go after a Josh Morgan and give up a 2nd Rounder & a Player to obtain him
I would resign him to a fair deal, for him, and the team. That would create one of the best WR corps in the NFL, if they were able to land Josh Gordon.
along with Avant, Johnson, and Cooper. The Oregon WR politic guy, is out on his sorry tail.
I don’t think you give up a potentially high 1st Round Pick for Morgan
But maybe a 2nd Rounder and OL Herremans and WR Cooper or Danarus Johnson for him..
josh gordon is one more failed drug test away from a year suspension and nobody is giving up a 1st or 2nd for him probably not even a 3rd. guy has all pro talent but most teams dont want to baby sit their players.
Your wrong Mhenski. Someone will offer at least a 3rd for him. He is 22 years old, and is respected on the field as a superstar, despite his behavior off the field.
Would you pass on Aldon Smith too? I’d have to give it some serious thought.
we shall see. i guess the fact that he doesnt make that much $ and is under control through the 2015 season helps. you give up a 3rd and if you lose the gamble you lose… cant see any team giving up a 1st or 2nd though noway
I agree with you there brother.
Paul, it’s Josh Gordon.
I agree you don’t give up a 1st, or a 2nd, because one more strike, and he is done, but as I stated a 3rd Rounder is reasonable. Bryce Brown may have to be considered in that deal seeing that they need a running back. Bryce is as good, or better than Trent Richardson period.
They must take a fly on Josh Gordon, but Herremans, Damaris Johnson, and Cooper isn’t gonna get it done.
Trent Richardson 18 games played 12 Touchdowns — someone please explain to GMClueless the objective of running the football —
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Bryce Brown in 5 games played last year, had more 100 yard or more games than Trent Richardson did in 14 games last year. Also, had TD runs that averaged more than 3 yards(18 yard average for Bryce Brown). 9 of Richardsons TD’s last year and including the one he got last night,(1 yard) were of 3 yards or less. Those TD totals say nothing of what he is as a RB, afterall the Browns weren’t impressed either. So they traded his mediocre ass. AFTER ONE YEAR.
He is excellent in goal line situations, BUT THAT IS IT!!. How many yards does he average this year? Very close to what Bryce averages in a part time role. As always you show yourself, as not having the clue.
Trust me no one has to explain a thing to me. So Keep your shortsighted comments to yourself.
i see absolutely nothing special about trent richardson at all. good trade for the browns bad trade for indy imo
We agree brother. Explain that E0S, so he can get a clue.
i could be wrong though. he is versatile, tough, good hands and has 4.3 speed. maybe he just has to get in position to succeed. browns didnt really give him much support.
who knows his career is very young. just at face value that looks like a browns win
You’re not wrong. He’ll do the same thing with the Colts. He is an excellent short yardage option; as an overall Superstar RB though, he is just average.
You have to be rational, to get a clue.
That is true DCar……
I would give them a 3and Riley cooper and a 5th the next draft
I like that too Smitty, if they would take it. That would be robbery, but I don’t think so. Bryce Brown, and a 3rd should do it.
GMCliff –
anytime you wish to give you “expert ” opinion on these people thus far?
Gus Bradley
4 Ziggy Ansah – DE/OLB – BYU
35 Jamie Collins – OLB/ILB – Sothern Mississippi
67. Blidi Wreh Wilson – CB – Connecticut
98. Montori Hughes – DT – Tennessee- Martin
136 Cornelius Washington – DE/OLB – Georgia
212 Ty Powell – LB – Harding
218 Aaron Mellette – WR – Elon
239 Damion Stafford – SS – Nebraska
I tell you what why don’t you enlighten us with your research of them thus far.
S U P E R B O W L
kkkkkkhaahahahahahaha, wait let me catch my breath, bwahahahahaha
…right
While you’re at it, explain to me, and the GCobb family, why Lane Johnson has given up 7 sacks in 3 games, Zach Ertz sucks, and why Howie draft is looking like he blew it.
lane looks like he will be a dominate tackle in the future to me. mistakes are there now but that comes with the territory. i think we are good with lane and when looking at the 6 picks behind us in the draft which completed the top 10 i wouldnt trade lane str8 up for any of them.
I don’t see dominance at all, because in all honesty I really see a project. So the growing pains continue after this year as well.
A source tells FOX Sports that Eric Fisher’s biggest issues so far have been mental.
Fisher, the No. 1 overall pick, has been one of the league’s worst right tackles so far. Through three games, he’s given up two sacks and seven quarterback hurries, grading out negatively as both a pass and run blocker. The Chiefs insist his issues stem from moving from the left tackle spot he played at Central Michigan to the right side he’s playing now. We suspect it’s more about simple adjustment to the speed of the NFL. Fisher is a lock to improve.
That means Mhenski Brother that Lane Johnson is worse, seeing that he has surrendered 7 sacks, and 6 hurries in 3 games. I know there going to be growing pains, but it should be for them, not the QB.
I’m telling you just like I told everyone on draft day. He is a project.
1. Ziggy Ansah starts for the Lions, ans has as many sacks as F. Cox
2. Jamie Collins started last game after the Patriots moved Hightower to DE
3. Blidi Wreh Wilson is the back up to Alterraun Verner, who is an All-Pro
4. Montori Hughes, played for the Colts last Night; Had a sack on Kaepernick
5. Cornelius Washington is second to Shea McClellin at OLB with the Bear
6. Ty Powell is on the Seahawks Practice Squad
7. Aaron Mellette is 2nd string WR to Torrey Smith with the Ravens
8 Daimion Stafford, is 2nd String to Bernard Pollard w/ the Titans, and will be starting next year, as Pollard has a one year contract.
and gus bradley?
A Coaching staff, of Bill Walsh, Bill Parcells, Vince Lombardi, Bill Belichick, and Chuck Noll, couldn’t help the Jaguars right now.
e0, you lost your stupid stat argument, so you go to Bradley. He has arguably, the worst lineup & most clueless ownership, in the NFL! I’d take gmcliffs draft suggestions, over Weaselmans, ANY day of the week. Although we both are armchair gm’s, & not always right on all of our suggestions, the last 2-3 years, we have been on the mark, & well above the evaluation skills of the bean counting crew. Stop being a delusional, biased douche nozzle. LOL!! Use your brain, for something other than a hat rack.
if you believe the spritz of perfume GMCliff is spraying over the rotten corpses of his draft choices is reality than Earl Wolff is the second coming of Ronnie Lott using GMCliff’s grading curve.
LOL! What draft choices are you referring too, because the ones you brought up so far, are either starting, contributing, playing well, or are too early to tell? You are just another irrational, argumentative lemming on here, that thinks he’s always right, & is always proven wrong.
proven wrong? like your chase Andre Iguodala out of town for Bynum, full 100%band wagon hopping stepford Dcar suckered into buying a season ticket plan and still won’t admit he is as clueless GMCliff.
Yeah right! You are calling me a bandwagon hopping, stepford! I’m the furthest from a bandwagon stepford. You are a f^#@ing retard! Until last year, I was a 15 year season ticket holder for the Basketball team, to remain nameless. Yes, I got suckered into buying a 10 game plan, because Stinkadala, was finally gone, & nobody new Bynum was as big as a mutt fraud that he was. I won’t make that mistake again. I worked security for the Phillies, Eagles, & all events at Wachovia/ Spectrum, from 1987- 2004, so you have not a clue, of who, & what I am. Look in the mirror retarded imbecile, because apparently, you are the clueless, irrational, imbecilic, moron, in this conversation! BTW, Stinkadala is addition by subtraction! He’s the biggest, overpaid, over-hyped, fraud, egomaniac DOGS, that has played for this city, in a looooong time, so if you are one of his @$$ munchers, I feel sorry for you!
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Whenever a region’s sports team suddenly gets really good really quickly, everyone and their fucking dog either buys a sports jersey or takes their old one out of the closet where it’s been for 20 years, proclaiming they are a die-hard fan. Bandwagon fans usually flock to their team’s games in large numbers and usually constitute 80% of that team’s fan-base. See Florida Gators.
That ain’t me Nancy pants! That sounds more like some of you dunces, especially defines SONGS the troll!
FYI, that’s the Urban dictionary definition. All true.
Those pick are contributing more so than any of Howies picks for the Eagles. The Eagles could use every one of those pick I suggested especially the ones on defense.
All seriousness E0S, it is obvious to me your obsession to discredit me will result with you having egg on your face, and a t-shirt for life, as well as the golden penis in your mouth…….
You do not know talent Brother. You embrace the popular choices with no real insight into breaking down what really matters. Trent Richardson, Zach Ertz, Lane Johnson…I have listened to your opinions, and weighed those against their actual performances, and if you tell me they are, or will be solid one day, I’ll tell you the proof is in the pudding.
Every player I suggested using Howies draft formula, not mine ( I would have traded down, and got more picks), will make major contributions, and or excel with their teams. The Eagles could use all of them, and that is a fact. Howie blew this draft…period.
Larry Warford, and Cyprien are starters too…..FYI
GMCliff – I enjoy debating football. Nothing obsessive just harmless fun. Sometimes I’ve posted inappropriate comments which I ultimately regret. I try to maintain enough restrain civility here to not offend. Just for shits and giggles. Cliff Dorsey vs Howie Roseman was/ is a great debate. Songs vs Navy. RealTalk vs. Vinnie. Trent Richardson a top 10 back is a great debate. Andre Iguadola was and Mike Vick is great debate topics. I laugh daily at the nonsense posted on here.
of course I don’t know talent but it is fun to debate when I disagree –
I don’t need you to kiss my ass right now…….I still don’t like you…But it is gratifying to see you humbled chump……
feeble…
GMCliff – would you be as positive when offering an opinion of the Eagles draft selections or would you use words like sucks
I do like Logans potential as a DT, as well as Damion Square who was an undrafted free agent.
In all honesty. I think the Eagles overvalued, the rest of their draft picks.
Remember they really wanted Dion Jordan, so I don’t think the draft fell the way they expected, and began to reach for some players.
For Instance Logan would probably have been available in the 4th, or 5th Round
Zach Ertz, has good hands, but lacks in other skills- Blocking, Strength, Tenacity – to be considered a potential All Pro TE. He is an average player.
Lane Johnson, is better than what we had, but he was a Combine Warrior whose stock was built up like he displayed that all year around. In reality I really feel he is a project.
The rest of the Eagles draft sucks.
Logan stinks & is nothing more than a depth guy, who can possibly stop the run, as he was in collage. Wasted 3rd round pick. Ertz was a luxury, reach pick, & a waste of 2nd rounder. Don’t get me started on the 1st round debacle!
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looking at our draft and seeing how bad our D is, clearly our #2 (ertz) and #4 (barkley) picks were absolutely disgusting. no clue if we couldve got D playmakers there but it wouldve helped to try
CLEARLY!!!!
2nd Round PIck should have been DT Kwann Short OLB Jamie Collins or ILB John Bostic or CB Darrius Slay instead of TE Erz
3rd Round Pick should have been CB Leon McFadden or Safety TJ McDonald, DB Tyrrane Mathieu instead of DT B Logan
4th Round Pick DT Akeem Spence, DE Alex Okafor, CB BW Webb, or Safety Shamarko Thomas instead of QB Barkley
darrius slay blows.
Thanks for your list Paul. Giving insight as always to other options that were available. From your list, and what could have been targeted, I like:
2nd – Jamie Collins
3rd – Larry Warford/ Blidi Wreh Wilson
4th – BW Webb/ Cornelius Washington
We want Gordon
it wont happen though
Jason Avant won’t be able to indefinitely hold Zac Ertz off the field,
as the year progresses Zac Ertz will get more and more field time and Jason Avant less —
honestly, based on what are you predicting Ertz’s professional climb?
He has done nothing, pre-season, or in season. He hasn’t come close to even supplanting Brent Celek. Based on What.
Lane Johnson is a project RT, and damn sure not a LT.
I was honest with you, I like Logan, I don’t even know if he is a starter just yet, but I like his potential.
I don’t think Avant has anything to do with his lack of playing time. I think Ertz has more to do with it. he just not that good.
in three years or less
Lane Johnson will be the starting left tackle
Zac Ertz will be the starting tight end
and Bennie Logan will be the starting NT
and the Eagles will still go 5-11 to 7-9 and be irrelevant in the NFL
Logan is too small to be an NFL NT, to take on 2-3 o-linemen. He’s a 4-3 DT. Period! He’s too slow to be a 3 tech DE, or a 5 tech DE. He was a run stuffing DT in collage. 3 total career sacks. Not a play maker. Nothing more than another rotational player, square peg in a round hole, that doesn’t fit on this team. Along with Kendricks, Ryans, Cole, & Graham. You don’t know WTF you’re talking about!
Not getting into trade business…Celek has his bad games from time to time, but I doubt this game is indicative of declining skills. Zach Ertz hasn’t shown anything that would lead me to believe he should be stealing anybody’s job.
Overall the dropped attempts at running the ball, especially in a low scoring game where the defensive pressure was getting to Vick didn’t make sense. They should have increased the running attempts and rotated Shady, Brown and Polk. It’s annoying to me that Polk hasn’t gotten any touches at all by this point.
We are both on the same page Butch, especially on Ertz….
although I am not high on Chris Polk either,….
polk? who cares about polk & brown. we got shady. fuck a backup rb
Zach Ertz has 4 catches and was thrown to by Mike Vick 6 times in 3 games —
that is a 66% success rate.
Only a fool would continue to line up a 5’10 175 lb DJax at WR inside the 10 yard line when a 6-5 TE is available —
Ertz blows admit it.
You can try to put up, all the bogus BS you want, but it doesn’t change the fact, that he was a reach luxury pick, that was stupid, & unnecessary! We needed all DF, especially secondary & LB’s, & a young, talented, big WR, & we wound up with none of the above. Cut your BS lemming, stepford nonsense!
Coach Kelly and Howie Roseman are in the entertainment business and their first objective was to improve on the devastating boring 17 point a game offense season of 2012. Not perpetrate a double dose of teen scoring snoze feast with a suffocating defense.
NO, they are in the NFL business, of getting to the playoffs & winning a Superbowl. If they are in it for anything else, they should go to f^#@ing Hollywood! That is the dumbest, excuse making, defeatist point of view of an argument, that I’ve ever heard! Dude, just stop! If you want excitement, go run with the bulls, or take a shower with a dryer in your hands. GTFO!
BTW, I’d rather have a great defense, that holds teams, & win 21-14, 27-17 games, than having tired, non-defensive games, were you have to out score the opponent 41-37 every f^#@ing game, to try & win, because the gimmick offense is too fast, flawed, & wears down the defense, because every team has the ball 3/4 of the game! You are clueless, & have NO credibility, so get used to a losing team!
I have no problem kicking the Eagles while they are down.
No quality free agents wanted anything to do with the Eagles esp. on the defense side. the eagles used a massive amount of resources (draft picks) on defensive players in 2012. Cox, Kendricks, Curry, Boykins
it was time to draft some offensive players –
Classic, if you want excitement, take a shower with a dryer in your hands, lmfao
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Jake I was over here SCREAMING!!!!!! LMBO!!!!
DCar is in season form…..
Gm you got to give him props, he comes up with some damn funny shit
LMBO!!!! HE SURE DOES….
Yea that happens when you have a lunatic off their meds….
LOL
Yeah Real, I’m the only lunatic, when you do the same things to Vinnie, & a few others on here. Pot calling the kettle black bruh! You don’t know $#!t about me, so don’t assume you do, by my posts, to ill-informed, clueless nitwits like you, on here. You never keep $#!t real. You’re a fraud.
I’d take teams like Denver’s, Atlanta’s, Bengal’s, Detroit’s, 49er’s, Colt’s, Saint’s, Seahawks & Packer’s offenses, where they have real QB’s, true #1 WR’s, multiple weapons, & big talented WR’s, over our garbage, gimmicky flawed offense, with a failure at QB, a smurf as the so-called #1 WR, any day of the week! There is no trickery, gimmickry, or BS, in their offenses. They come at you with their weapons, score & beat you. Yes it’s early, but you’ll see what kind of offenses are left with the winning teams!
The ignorance of some of you cats is crazy….how bout if I showed up to your job, had an issue needed to make a report….saw you, and asked if there were any real cops around, that could assist (you’re a cop, right? probably not a real one)….I haven’t seen any trickery on the offensive side of the ball….WTF are you taking bout? saw a fake field goal….that’s bout it…do should actually watch some games before you comment.
split both tackles wide isn’t trickery?
maybe unconventional…but who’s to say that the conventional way of doing things is the right way of doing things…because you aren’t accustom to something, does that = trickery?
As I’ve stated, read above. Clueless, ill-informed, nitwit! BTW, it’s none of your business what I used to be.
I could care less what you used to be…I know what you are right now, a loud mouth simpleton, that talks and talks and talks using every symbol possible to try and get a point across. Because you haven’t seen that type of formation in the pro’s doesn’t mean its trickery…Its unconventional as I stated above…maybe you should pick up a dictionary! Problem is luniatics don’t think, hence your gibberish!
RIIIIGHT, the stupid, calling someone a simpleton, & telling someone to pick up a dictionary. Highly amusing, coming from an imbecile. I’ve forgot more knowledge, than you can ever hope to attain, son! Go take your hypocrisy & stupidity somewhere else, retard! You know nothing, about everything. Excuses, delusions, idol worship, & @$$ kissing, is all you know. You have no credibility, to anything you say.
BTW, it’s not my fault you don’t know WTF you are watching. If you don’t see trickery, & gimmickry in this mirage of an offense, you are as blind as Ray Charles.
I guess playing 2 OT’s next to each other, being in a hurry up offense, in shotgun all game, going for a 2 point conversion in the beginning of the game, having 3 men in the backfield at the same time, & the read option itself, ISN’T trickery & gimmicry? MAN, what am I thinking, I’m just a brainless, lunatic?????
Yes tha’ts what I called you…gotta repeat what I said so you can have a better understanding of it? Your 100 years old, you should possess a lot of knowledge…But your so old that you can’t control your bladder and piss on yourself whenever you let out one of those BWAAHHAAHHAA’s….I see football as a team game, I understand players aren’t perfect, my team won’t always be good, we may not always have the best WR’s, QB;s…..and still I support them, hoping believing every week there’s a chance for a W…if you call that idol worship and ass kissing, then yes, bitch, you should pick up a dictionary!
I’m 44 douche nugget, not 100, so I’m far from senility. BTW,the only bitch on here, is the keyboard gangsta bitch, like you, that spends his time, irrationally arguing, when he is wrong, ill-informed, biased & hypocritical! Look in the mirror nimrod, before talking stupid smack, & spewing your verbal diarrhea to others. Like I say to everyone, if you don’t like the truth, don’t read, or respond to my posts. It’s that easy. Just a suggestion.
it its entertainment wouldn’t your rather put on your show for 18-19 weeks instead of 16? wouldn’t you want those additional weeks with bigger audiences? i’m giving kellly a chance but bottom line the more you win the more your brand grows… that is one reason lurie was always patient with reid…he grew the brand…
lighten up haveacigar, dcar posting some hilarious material, laugh a little. it will do you good
i was agreeing with him actually — i was stating to that poster about the ‘entertaining’ offense that sure it might be entertaining but it better win–
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