A Poor Coaching Job By Kelly
It was an embarrassing night for the Philadelphia Eagles.
Chip Kelly did not have his team ready to play tonight, and it showed through the team’s sloppy effort and five turnovers.
Offense, defense, and special teams all had key breakdowns throughout the night.
There was a general lack of focus throughout the team. Damaris Johnson began the game by muffing a punt. Michael Vick followed him with a pick-six. Jason Kelce threw away a possession with a botched snap that was recovered by the Chiefs.
Kelly’s offense came face-to-face with a quality NFL defense for the first time this season, and sputtered. Kelly never adjusted his protection schemes, and allowed the Chiefs to pressure Vick throughout the night. Justin Houston created chaos for the Eagles tonight 3.5 sacks and forcing a fumble.
One of Kelly’s most egregious decisions tonight was the absurd decision to go for two following Michael Vick’s touchdown pass to Jason Avant. Kelly decided to go for two with a swinging gate fake field goal that sent the ball directly to Zach Ertz, who was stuffed.
When I saw the play, the first thing that popped into my mind was the infamous Ronnie Brown halfback option play against the 49ers back in the 2011 season. It was a play that was completely unnecessary and just should not have happened under any circumstances.
At that point in the game, you’re already down by 10 points. You know you have a defense that can’t be counted on to shut an opponent down. You had already had a couple of turnovers. There’s absolutely no need for that nonsense, that right there was an example of Kelly having absolutely no respect for the league that he’s coaching in.
Kelly got a serious serving of humble pie tonight. The next time he has a short week, maybe he’ll spend more time making sure his team is mentally prepared instead of wasting time installing a gimmicky two-point conversion package.
Vick Begins To Revert
Michael Vick played some tremendous football through the first two weeks of the season, but on Thursday night he began to fall back into bad habits that ended up costing the team dearly.
Vick began the game by tossing a pick-six to Eric Berry. The veteran quarterback was caught locking on to Brent Celek, and Derrick Johnson read Vick’s eyes easily, and tipped the pass to his safety who took it back for an easy score.
In the second quarter, Vick killed an Eagles drive by throwing a pass behind Riley Cooper that was intercepted by Sean Smith. Vick just forced an ugly pass that his receiver had no chance of catching.
The Chiefs knocked Vick out of his rhythm early, and this game turned into a serious step backwards for the starting quarterback. Vick finished the game 13 of 30 for 201 yards with one touchdown, two interceptions, and a lost fumble. His mechanics were poor throughout the night, often locking on to one receiver. The crisp, smooth, effective decisions that he had been making in the first two games were few and far between tonight.
Now, on the positive side, Vick made a lot of plays that helped keep the Eagles in the game too. He ripped off two long runs of 65 and 25 yards, and tossed a beautiful touchdown pass to Jason Avant.
Kansas City’s Offensive Incompetence Kept The Eagles In The Game
A lot of people are going to give the Eagles’ defense a great deal of credit for holding the Chiefs in check and keeping the team in the game tonight. And they certainly made some big stops tonight.
However, just as I thought it was important not to oversell what they did against the Redskins, I say again that its important not to oversell what they did against the Chiefs.
Andy Reid’s offense performed so poorly on Thursday Night, and their failures helped keep the Eagles alive. Alex Smith didn’t even think about throwing a pass more than 15 yards, even against a secondary this bad.
Reid’s Chiefs scored their first 10 points thanks to errors by the Eagles. The muffed punt and the interception return netted the Chiefs an early lead. Certainly give the Eagles’ defense credit for coming up with some stops, but Reid called such a conservative game that it made things a little easier for Billy Davis.
The Chiefs had to settle for field goals during both of their first three redzone possessions, leaving 12 points on the field in the first half alone.
When it mattered most however, the defense couldn’t get it done. Anytime the Chiefs needed to convert a third and long, they were able to find Donnie Avery on an underneath route that went for a big gain. Billy Davis had eight men dropped into coverage on these occasions, and never adjusted to take away Avery, who finished with seven grabs for 141 yards.
In the fourth quarter, the defense needed a stop after LeSean McCoy’s touchdown run, but instead allowed the Chiefs to march on an 11-play 75 yard drive that ended in a field goal and chewed up eight minutes and 15 seconds off of the clock.
Quick Thoughts
Offense
- What a game by LeSean McCoy. McCoy picked up 158 yards on 20 carries, and broke away for a 41-yard touchdown in the fourth quarter. Shady left the game before the half with a scary looking leg injury, but got himself back in the game, played through pain, and helped the team get back in the game.
- DeSean Jackson finished with three catches for 62 yards. He was not nearly as impactful as he had been in the first two weeks of the season.
- Lane Johnson struggled heavily tonight against Justin Houston. Johnson was abused in pass protection throughout the night.
- Todd Herremans had a terrible game as well.
- Riley Cooper dropped a catchable pass from Vick that ended the team’s second drive in the first quarter. Cooper was completely shutdown by Sean Smith.
- Jason Kelce caused a turnover with a bad snap, and then created a 10-yard loss with a high snap to start the second half.
- While the Chiefs took away DeSean, Jason Avant picked up the slack, catching five passes for 87 yards and a touchdown. Avant made a brilliant one-handed catch in the fourth that set up McCoy’s touchdown run.
- The Eagles had built up a lot of excitement for their tight ends this year, but they were unable to make an impact. Brent Celek had just two catches for 18 yards and Zach Ertz had one for five. $4 million dollar tight end James Casey was nowhere to be found, once again.
Defense
- Patrick Chung was awful. Chung missed tackles throughout the game, and by the end of the night was replaced by Earl Wolff. Chung’s most notable miss came on Donnie Avery’s 51-yard catch and run.
- Nate Allen actually played a decent game tonight. Allen picked up a sack on Alex Smith on third and goal to force the Chiefs to settle for three in the first quarter. Allen broke up a pass and made a stop on Jamaal Charles after a short gain in the second half.
- Vinny Curry was active for the first time in 2013, and got a sack on Alex Smith in the third quarter and drew a flag for a holding penalty several plays later. Why did it take so long for him to get some snaps again?
- Mychal Kendricks finished with nine tackles.
- Fletcher Cox had his best game of the season. Cox finally began to generate a pass rush, and picked up a sack.
- Trent Cole played a lot of snaps as a defensive end tonight, and picked up a sack.
- Brandon Graham picked up a sack on Smith in the fourth quarter.
- Jake Knott made a cameo in the second half, and stopped Charles for a short gain.
- Cary Williams was a bright spot tonight, completely shutting down Dwayne Bowe.
- Rookie seventh-round pick Jordan Poyer was inactive for the first time this season in favor of Shaun Prater.
Special Teams
- Former Eagle Quintin Demps opened up the game with a 58-yard kickoff return.
- Damaris Johnson muffed the punt, setting up the Chiefs for a field goal to take an early 3-0 lead.
- Alex Henery is killing this team right now. Henery missed another field goal, and was flagged for 15-yard horsecollar tackle on Demps.
Final Thoughts
The Chip Kelly honeymoon is over.
For the first time this season, Kelly’s offense looked human. A good NFL defense was able to matchup, exploit weaknesses in the offensive line, limit DeSean Jackson, and force Michael Vick into mistakes. And Kelly himself struggled to make adjustments.
The Eagles now sit at 1-2, and have a date with Peyton Manning and the powerful Denver Broncos in 10 days. The possibility of falling to 1-3 is very real, and this stretch is really going to test Kelly and see what he’s made of. The team is on a losing streak, and there’s a blueprint on how to defend his offense.
Kelly’s challenge is going to be to keep the spirits of the team (and himself) up through these tough weeks. This is a team that has gone into the toilet and quit at the first sign of adversity over the last couple of years, and Kelly needs to make sure that his message keeps getting through to his group, even throughout the tough losses that they’ve already suffered, and may very well continue to suffer.
Denny Basens is the editor of GCobb.com. Email him at dbasens@ycp.edu, or follow him on Twitter.
Here you go again Denny! Calm down! It was a poorly played game marred by turnovers, right away your saying the league has caught up and Chip is exposed, everyone played bad including the best left guard in football, I’m surprised you didn’t say he’s showing signs of being over the hill. Let me be the first to make the excuse for my squad, 3 games in 11 days! First time it was ever done! We’re gonna be fine! The D showed some good things regardless of you trying to say it was more KCs O, and one more reminder to you Denny and to all the haters, A first year coach, new system on both sides of the ball, its called growing pains, for the players to put up the yards n points in the first three games without it being second nature to them says a lot, once it does become second nature to them, look out, were going to play every game like we did in that first half against Washington.
I didn’t say the league caught up to him…I said there’s a blueprint to defend him. It means that he can’t sneak up on teams as easily as he did during the first half of the Washington game. Its up to him to adjust now and get back out in front of defenses.
As for the defense, there were some good individual performances from guys like Barwin, Curry, Cox, and Williams…but as a unit, they still gave up points on five drives, couldn’t shut the door when you needed it most, and gave up almost 400 yards when the quarterback takes NO shots down the field and looks for Chad Hall in the redzone. Sorry if I’m not impressed by that haha.
ap, instead of your ripping Denny all of he time, why don’t you stop waving your pom-poms, & take your head out of your @$$, & actually watch the games, non-biased. This team is atrocious, & Denny only states the truth! If you can’t handle the truth, don’t read his articles!
Amen to that bro. Keep up the good work Denny!
I saw Vick trying to get Cooper in the game. But dude just wasn’t getting any separation. He’s just not a viable target. Cooper should have caught the one pass. And the other was over thrown and ol’ boy was all over him. Easy play.
Vick had a shitty game. Let’s get that out the way.
But the play that really worried me was the Oline. They got their ass handed to them. Bad. Bad. Bad. Thursday night football strikes again.
Luckily for us there’s a good chance the rest of the East teams will continue to suck.
This is where you really feel the loss of a guy like Jeremy Maclin…a guy like Cooper just isn’t a starter. He’s a fourth receiver who you can use in the redzone, but he can be taken out with single coverage like he was tonight.
Line was absolutely brutal, especially the right side.
I’m a SERIOUSLY missing Maclin.
Mac and DJax work in concert.
Remove one you got a problem. I thought it would work out but NONE of our other WR or TE seems to be a credible threat. This is a BIG problem.
How are Polk and Brown with receiving…cause um…yeah…
But when we lost Maclin, many saw the 2 TE set being a valuable weapon. Where was it? What has Zach ertz done, preseason, or regular season to deserve so much adoration?
Jamie Collins would look good in our LB Corp right now, and would only get better. I would play Kendricks at SS.
Same can be said for James Casey, who the team threw a ton of money at in the off-season. Completely invisible other than his touchdown drop against San Diego.
Justin Houston, who GMCliff said he wanted in the second round, the year he was drafted, the Eagles passed on him for Jaquwan Jarrett, and he wasn’t drafted until the middle of the 3rd Round.
Was that Howie, or Andy?,….doesn’t matter, it obviously wasn’t GMCliff. He would look better than Trent Cole right now playing that position, and the Eagles would be in better shape.
My thoughts? They suck, & win no more than 5-6 games. As I’ve stated many times. This gimmick offense, will wear down, an already atrocious defense. Vick is gonna be dead by week 5-6. If we lose Shady, you can stick a fork in them. The off-season was a miserable failure. Going for a 2 point conversion, in the 1st quarter, was idiotic. Secondary is a black hole, AGAIN!
It’s not a gimmick offense. There’s nothing gimmicky about it. The principles are sound. However if your line get beat (they did) and your WR get no separation (they didn’t) it’s not going to work.
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I guess the definition of gimmick is wrong, huh Professor Johnson? What do you call it? All he’s doing is running a no huddle offense constantly, holding up f^#@ing signs, & signals. It’s a gimmick!
I’m cursing the situation, not you, BTW! People sometimes get that confused on here, with me.
Impressed with the respect for a Lady DCar…TsJohnson, has established herself as the First Diva of GCobb.com, in my opinion, and should be respected as such…….good job.
“TsJohnson, has established herself as the First Diva of GCobb.com,”
That made me chuckle.
I am a gentleman. I do have a Wife, a daughter, & a Granddaughter, so I wouldn’t want anyone to diss them. I only curse the nimrods, the racists & the stupid on here. ts, although a little lost sometimes, seems to be a smart & classy young woman.
You are the only female on here to my knowledge, that makes credible comments. Sometimes more than the guys.
Do you want me to take that back? We pay attention to you sister.
Oh, OK…..your welcome…:)
I know what gimmick stands for and it doesn’t apply. Spreading out a defense is not gimmicky. Wanting your guys in man on man coverage is not gimmicky.
If your guys cant’ get separation…that’s not the scheme, that’s them. How he chooses to communicate is not gimmicky. And running a no huddle is not gmmicky.
Those aren’t gimmicks. They don’t even fit the definitions you wrote down.
Not getting it. It is a gimmick. Read the definition. It does fit. Stop trying to be right, when you are wrong. Don’t be irrational.
I”m not being irrational.
And I’m not wrong.
Kellys offense is predicated on folk getting man on man coverage and being able to beat their man. No one, with the except of Avant here and there were able to do that. No one. (Jax was double covered).
That’s not a scheme issue. There’s nothing gimmicky about that premise. It’s an execution one. And unfortunately with Maclin out we don’t have the personnel to pull it off.
Also don’t you have a wife?
You should know calling a woman “irrational” is sure fire way to get cut.
lol
“You are the only female on here to my knowledge, that makes credible comments. Sometimes more than the guys.”
Why thank you!
“Do you want me to take that back? We pay attention to you sister.”
Of course not. I just made me chuckle. In a happy way. 🙂
Oh, OK…..your welcome…:)
You figure I would have that by now! BWAHAHAHA!!!!
2 games in a row now, with time/ clock management issues, red flag issues, play call head scratching decisions. This high paced offense is a fraud. Question for everyone, what is the new, innovative, things that this offense brings, other than high pace? There is nothing new, groundbreaking, earth shattering, re-inventive, or different, than many other offenses show. All over-hype! This offense, when it fails, which will be more often than not, will wear out this already atrocious defense, to the point of embarrassing laughter. Lurie the genius! Weaselman the talent GURU! Chipper, the innovating savior of the masses! GTFO!!!!
you sound like a hater but i think i agree with that stuff lol
sound, I’m a realist, not a hater. I kills me, that these organizations are so inept at evaluating talent, & making their teams better. Especially the last 3-5 years, with the Birds, Phils, & Flyers. The basketball, whom shall remain nameless, is a blackhole of an organization. I’m disgusted, with them taking us for granted, & slapping us in the face with their BS!
amen
Don’t forget 3 games in a row Lane Johnson has given up multiple sacks……
Line got their ass handed to them.
really strange,,,,The fat boy comes here using someone elses team made up. Pretty nice D too. Gets a QB in the draft and rides him all the way. The D coach genius passes away, the QB gets old, coach exposed……..Now he goes to KC . The D is already pretty good. He finds him self another QB to ride and we’re off to 3- 0 hmmm!!!
That’s about the way he started out here too and everybody considered him a genius and gave him a rep. Let’s see him start out like Chip has to with tattered hand-me-downs, a quarterback whose every pass is on a flat-line trajectory, poor ball placement and who stares his intended receivers down while holding on to the ball forever and a day. Too much zone with CBs lining up ten yards of the LOS (and giving receivers huge cushions) and not enough man to man. Smith knew he could get ten-fifteen yard chunks all day. And that Kelly-called two point conversion attempt drove me crazy. It’s maddening I tell you. I realize he too is a rookie and I’m willing to give Chip the benefit of the doubt. I hope in a year or two the Eagles will be back among the elite NFL teams.
Pyrethrum much went as I expected
Vick was harassed most of the night,
With little time to attpt Deel Routes to D-Jax
Vick threw behind and late with the Ball,
The Drop by Cooper was a pot pass and 2-3feet behind him on his hip instead of out in front of him
Hie many balls were batted down, or deflected by the Chiefs
(At least 5-6 that I recall), overall not a good game of Oassing the ball at by Vick,
He has some great runs, but a typical performance of up and down pkay, costly turnovers and shaky decision making..
Again Play Calling was suspect, the 2 point attempt was ruidiculous, they just got back into the game after being down 10-0 to start, kick the apAT and be happy that it’s only 10-7
Meanwhile Alex Smith just picks his spots and in the 2nd half outplayed Vick, make good tosses to keep the chains moving and then the Chiefs OL took over and manhandled to aeagkes front 7 in the final quarter as RB Charkes got into a nice rhythm and put the game away
Eagles continue to get hurt big the tiny Slot Receivers
It was Donnie Avery running free all game, as did Eddie Royal the game before and as Wes Welker will next Game of the Bronco’s.
It’s funny you mentioned but Safety Nate ask ken probably had his best game in 2 plus years as an Eagłes
The DL, LB play was not very good and wore down as the game went along
Vinnie Curry made some plays and looked active but Kendrick’s & Ryans were late getting to the ball most of the game..
As I stated, I was interested in seeing how Kelly & Eagłes would attack a legitimate Defense, and the failed to sustain drives, get into any real Rhtym,
Take away the those big Runs by Vick & McCoy ..and they didn’t do much else
Reality has sunk in with Kelly and this Team
Who is headed for a 5-6 Win Season
I believe some changes will be in store
Agree with the bulk of your observations.
Still say we are an 8-8 team at the worst.
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Very good and accurate article Denny. Way to keep it real and out of the fantasy land some fans like to live in.
Vick interception in the first series Down 1
Denny I owe you an apology about the Eagles winning 9-10 games 6 games might be in order especially when you lose your first 2 home games to average teams. I still feel
Time to move back into my mother’s basement.
Not coming out until the play-offs.
As a free agent fan, I hope to sign with either SF or Seattle…
Just going to paint all my Eagle jerseys as soon as the NFC championship game is set.
Seriously, I never expected this guy to win with Reid’s leftovers. But that GM stinks in the free agent secondary signings. Should have drafted a stud in the secondary instead of holding on to the sissy at safety. He gets run over more than a raccoon on a country road.
Not sure why he drafted the USC QB either. Why not get a mobile QB if you are going to run this type of offense??? Every body knows Vick is not going to last the season.
I hate Andy Reid. I’d rather lose with chip kelley running the football than win with andy’s pass a second stupid play calling. I know. It’s moronic. But I hate that fat slob for ruining my football team…
I hope Kansas city makes the playoffs. Goes to the AFC championship game. Gets the fans hopes up, then loses. Over and over again. Year after year.
Coming Mom….Just talking to my friends…Of course they’re real…
Be prepared to be in the basement until you are a corpse then!
Denny I owe you an apology about the Eagles winning 9-10 games 6 games might be in order especially when you lose your first 2 home games to average teams. I still feel that Foles should be the starting QB because this team is in rebuild mode but the coaches and fans see if different if we gonna have 6 wins I rather do it with the young QB’s we have not a 33 old vet!!!
Hey no apology necessary my friend! Enjoy this season for whatever it turns out to be…none of us really know whats going to happen haha, we can only throw out our best educated guesses.
Why is their all this panic talk? We all knew and accepted this was gonna be a rebuilding year with a rookie coach, new system, not having all his type of players, growing pains learning the system and so on. Everybody has to calm down! we just played 3 games in 11 days, it was never done before! We all saw the results, even Jason Peters looked worn out last night, I want to win every game but I also know mistakes are gonna be made until the system becomes second nature to them, to put up the numbers and yardage they put up so far without really having this system down shows the potential of whats gonna be.
It’s not panic, it’s realism! It’s not panic, when we know what they are. It’s the delusional, irrational, & unrealistic like you, that don’t get that. If anybody thinks, they win more than 5-6 games, let alone make the playoffs, need to be locked in a f^#@ing dungeon!
Anyone heard from SKAYNE?
gmc, he’s lighting candles, next to his Vick statue, with Godgotvick, Songs, & the other idol worshippers. They’ll wait until Vick has another decent game, & come out of the woodwork. What I’m surprised about, is Vinnie ain’t on here beating his chest like the Vick stalker he is.
I think Vick took a concussion on the Kelce fumble – His head was slammed and eyes blurry.
Mike Vick is a busted up 33 year OLD midget ( SWAT) they just rejected another pass.
Enough already.
i don’t want to hear Maclin not here, Cooper couldn’t get open, Lane Johnson, Howie Draft, The problem is Mike Vick = his ribs were loosened up last week and his head rattled this week. He is not good enough. SWAT rejected another pass batted. Vinnie repeatedly told you all this was the outcome –
Vinnie you are a genius!
Mike Vick is the problem
I believe Vick has 2 Games left in him
And after the Broncos/Giants Game, he will so banged up and unable to play
So Foles will be his chance here soon..
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What are you smoking?
You trying to out Vinnie Vinnie?
If Foles does come in you can say goodbye to the big play! What chance do we have then if the D puts us behind or can’t help hold on to a lead? You can hate Vick all you want but he’s gonna be fine, especially with this ten day rest. EagleOsuperbowls, your right, it’s all Vicks fault, Kielce snapping it to herremans, all the cooper drops, the D not stopping them on 3rd n 10 at the 10, your right Vick deserves the blame for everyone’s mistakes besides his. Not one person doubted Vick would of led us to score if the D would of stopped them on that 3rd n 10 at the 10 in the 4th. We’re gonna be fine with this rest and put up some numbers while we’re still LEARNING the system which I think you guys forgot.
I think Vick Knows the system, I just think he makes bad decisions, It’s a career problem not this week or even this year. Vick is just a side story though…Chips PC was bad, he was demoralised it seemed. This team has major communication issues, the defense is on the field 40 minutes a game, to compound the issue every game put on film is a learning tool for each and every opponent coming up. Chip is learning this isn’t the NCAA really fast. Everyone including the media was basically calling him Chip Lombardi after the Washington debacle. Im not saying he wont eventually suceed Im saying this is what people should have seen coming. They are what they are.
if only they replaced Danny Watkins Vick would be better
if only they replaced King Dunlap Vick would be better
if only Jason Peter were back Vick would be better
if only they replaced Andy Reid Vick would be better
if only Jeremy Maclin were here Vick would be better
if only James Casey and Jason Avant caught those Vick passes we would win
lol Ive seen all of those before…what can ya do man? We have so many problems besides hm though.
What in the world are you talking about? Vick was the 3rd ranked QB in the NFL going into last nights game! Will he be today? No! Will KCs D still be ranked 3 after last nights game? No!!!! The point is, he had his first bad game, that can happen, especially after playing your third game in 11 days, mark this down, Vick will win more games for us this year them for us.
OOOOOOOOH 3rd ranked, after 2 games! HOF here he comes!!!!
HHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL@ Bsmvideo’s comment. God knows I needed that laugh after that disaster that was supposed to be a game last night.
I won’t go into Nate Allen again because Patrick Chung somehow managed to be worse. Can someone tell me why James Casey is on this team? What is his purpose???? Someone also needs to get Alex Henery’s head out of his @ss and turn him into a football player. Why can’t these guys tackle????
That was some of the most pathetic offensive football I have ever seen (outside of Shady=only real stud on that side of the football). Just flat out embarrassing. The excuse makers keep bringing up the schedule yet they seem to forget that the KC basically got the same deal and are 3-0. BTW the losing percentage of the away team on a thurs night game is bad for a reason…yet we looked like the football team (outside of Shady) that didnt belong on the same field. Dropping 2 games in a row, that were some of the most winnable on the schedule, is bad news for these players. If this team is 2-8 or 2-7, the vet starters will be replaced.
I hate Nate Allen the football player with a passion, but this loss doesn’t fall on the Defense at all. The offense was pathetic and if it wasn’t for the defense this game would have been over by the start of the half. As some on here would say, Vick was ass. He was one of the worst players on the field…could have easily had 6 turnovers himself, gift wrapped the cheifs with 10 points, and when he wasn’t throwing picks or fumbling he was holding on to the ball, or getting his passes tipped. The first solid defense we played made him look like garbage. the play calling was also bad. Why not run Shady or Brown more? When your QB stinks, run the ball. Oline looked bad..mostly Johnson. But the guy is a rookie and you just have to let them have their growing pains. However, reality is the majority of NFL teams have up/down offensive lines. There is maybe 3-4 teams that you can say are very solid when it comes to the Oline. Just ugly offensive football. Hard game to watch.
hopefully the 2014 eagles offense will not include Vick, Cooper, & Celek. Hopefully it will have a legit te, wr2 and a qb that protects the football
What, that phenomenal 2nd round pick, Ertz ain’t good enough for you? That major off-season signing HB/ TE hybrid, all around super weapon ain’t good enough for you?
For all the Vick haters and gloom and doomers, keep this stat in mind
The Eagles did pile up 431 yards of offense, giving them 1,385 in three games. That’s the eighth-most in NFL history.
Numbers like that from a team that doesn’t even have the system down yet. To see the mistakes we’ve made ( which by the way are correctable) and still put up those numbers is a positive sign.
It totally amazes me how negative people on here are after only three games with a new head coach who never coached in the NFL, this guy is learning as he goes and with all the mistakes is still putting up history ranked numbers, what happens when he has it down? what happens when he has all of his type of players? what happens when the players have this system down and know it by heart? I’ll tell ya’s, The Greatest Show on Turf 2!!! Keep hating haters, all your showing is that you guys don’t have a clue.
oh i have clue clown you dont. vick hasnt been corrected in 10+ years and it isnt gonna happen this year. he stinks and always has, turnover prone, holds the ball to long, takes unnecessary hits, gets too many balls batted down, fumbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbble, int… HE BLOWS
a good qb wins us the san diego game and at the very least doesnt embarrass himself on thursday night prime time
“a good qb wins us the san diego game”
So Vick plays defense?
Vick is an offensive lineman?
Vick is a kicker?
No. But he was why we lost the SD game. Okay. Doesn’t take you long to revert back right back on track.
HEY DUMB FUCK
DID I SAY HE WAS THE REASON WE LOST THE CHARGERS GAME?
PRETTY SURE I DIDNT. PRETTY SURE I SAID:
a good qb wins us the san diego game and at the very least doesnt embarrass himself on thursday night prime time
I KNEW YOU WERE STUPID BUT I THOUGHT YOU COULD READ AND COMPREHEND THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE. GUESS I WAS WRONG.
HOPEFULLY THE CAPS HELP, IN CASE YOU CAN READ AND COMPREHEND BUT YOUR EYES DONT WORK WELL.
Still have all that class I see.
“a good qb wins us the san diego game”
Which is basically the same thing as saying he’s the reason we didn’t win.
But okay.
its an entirely different thing idiot. id explain it to you but your brain wouldnt comprehend
if on the last chargers drive if michael kendricks hits rivers, causes a fumble, recovers the fumble and runs it in for a td he wins us the game .
that statement is not the same as
michael kendricks lost us the game.
way to troll my posts and make your self look like an idiot though. mission accomplished
The sexual tension between you guys has got to stop. LOL
2 home games 2 loses
EOS, i think its like 8 straight home losses or something. Embarrassing
Chip Kelly has a lot of learning to do to Coach at the NFL,
played his Cards, His Rotation, Play Calling all wrong in these last 11 Days..
This Team with it’s Defensive issues should be a run dominant Team and not be cnocerend with running 70 PLays a Game on Offense..
Use the Up-tempo on Occasionm, but not every Series.. A pound and ground Offense Game Plan where you take some ocassional Deep Shots to D-Jax off of PLay-Action would have been better suited for this Team..
Go with 2 Back-Set (McCoy & Brown, McCoy & Polk, Brown & Polk) and pound the Rock, eat up Clock, Wear the other Team out, then every 3rd Series or so, mix it up and play 3-4 WR Sets and spread the Ball around, but their Base Offense should have been to Pound the Ball
Last 2 Games Eagles Opponents have held the Ball for 40 Minutes to the Eagles 20 Minutes, this sureley doesn’t help the Eagles with all their Defensive Issues that they have… Coach Kelly needs to Game Plan Smarter so as to limit their weakness’s and right now, Chip Kelly fast-up-tempo is playing right into their Opponents hands…
in 6 Halves of Football.. The Eagles have played 1 Good 30 Minute Half and remember that Redskins gift-wrapped 3 Turnovers in their first 6 plays with a rusty RGIII, the remaining 5 Halves of Football since then, the Eagles have been outplayed, outcoached and manhandled at the point of attack ..
It is what it is, but this “Jelly Kelly” System is not working and let’s see how it does when they begin to play some better Teams..
Mike Vick – 13-30 for 201 2 interceptions and a fumble
Mike Vick for the 2nd game this year has handed the opposition a TD single-handedly ( DeAngelo Hall in week one and Eric Berry in week 3 )
And don’t forget KC 3rd n 10 at our 5 with us down a TD, we get the ball and were scoring with no problem! Oh I forgot, that’s Vicks fault they couldn’t stop them n let them eat up 8 minutes, sorry, my bad, yea your right, Vick has to go. Try this stat on for size
The Eagles piled up 431 yards of offense, giving them 1,385 in three games. That’s the eighth-most in NFL history.
that’s with that horrible Vick!
Were putting up those kind of yards with as Paulman is saying, a coach learning on the job, I’ll take a coach learning on the job anyday that can put up yards that’s in the top ten in history anyday, watch what happens when the learning is over.
The Def was on the field for 40 min cause the offense either couldn’t do shit or was turning over the ball nonstop. All the former players on TV were saying you cant have a D, no matter who the talent is, on the field that long. Its common sense for reality in the NFL. Your defense will be dead at the end of each game. But hey what do they know.
“And don’t forget KC 3rd n 10 at our 5 with us down a TD”…we wouldn’t be down a TD if Vick didn’t throw that stupid rookie pass in double coverage for an easy TD return. His other turnover gave the chiefs a FG as well, so thats 10 points give wrapped to KC by Vick (btw we loss by 10).
“we get the ball and were scoring with no problem!” Really based on the 16 total fucking points we scored last night. We couldn’t score for shit against that defense. More likely another INT or fumble.
Too bad you cant play shitty defenses every week like the Skins, Chargers. I think Rogers had like 4 TDs and 300 plus yards in the first half against the Skins last week lmao. We finally played a legit NFL defense and look what happened. We saw what this offense really is. And if Shady goes down at any moment, well be lucky to put up 10-14 points a game.
They just dropped 2 of the most winnable games on the schedule. Drop a couple more, and the majority of the vets will be on the bench cause Chip will need to see what he has in the younger guys going into the draft (but hey thats what most of us thought would happen anyways)
Hall was a bad call.
That pass was incomplete. Not a backwards play.
what now we are blaming the refs for a vick turnover– the replay clearly showed it was a fumble
I’m blaming the reps for call it a backwards pass yet. And I am not nearly to being the only one to think that.
Hall was what it was….The refs determined it was a backwards pass and tbh it sure as hell looked like one. He makes bad plays, he’s flawed…He also makes good plays…why he is an average at best QB.
Trade Vick before this cancer spreads
Total Yards mean very little and often skew the Actual Results of a Game
How many Time do we see losing Teams gain more Yards in a losing effort simply because the Defense is playing a Prevent Defense..
Look at the 431 Total Yards and about 105 Yard of them came on hte long runs by Vick and McCoy so they generated about 325 the remainder of the game.. Yards are Yards, what matters are Points, and the way you get points is establisin a rhythm by getting 1st Downs and moving the Chains, winning the battles up front and winning the Turnover Battle whioch helps you win the TIme of Possession battle or at least have it split somewhat evenly bu the last 2 Games – Eagels Opponents have held the ball 80 Minutes to hte Eagles 40 Minutes and I don’t care how explosive an Offense is, you are not going to win many Games having a 2 to 1 Ratio of having your Defense on the Field … Eagles Offense and Coach Kelly/Shurmur need to develop smarter and more efficient Game Plans to help their Defense out and start winning the Battles up Front and Pound the Ball and Eat some Clock up..
Case in point, Steelers out gained Bears and lost by a wide margin..
Turnovers are the key.. Protect the ball, limit the negative plays and shorten the game which is something Coach Jelly Kelly has not learned yet..
Nothing new or inventive about his offense except Vick gets to the line quicker, turns the ball over quicker
Mack Brown will be fired at some point and Chip Kelly will bounce on the Eagles for the job at Texas. Lock it up.
Man I read a lot of you guy’s and ladie’s post, and a lot of them made a ton of sense. With great points coming from a lot of you guys. This team issue’s are way deeper than just Vick way deeper. They have some marginal talent on this team but nothing that I consider to be core talent. Core talent like B-dawk, Trotter, Mcnabb etc etc. Those guy’s were good veterans and I know I took them for granted while they were here. Always saying how much more they should have done. But I tell you what I wish we still had them. Players like that are not easy to come by, the drafting on this team has set us back years. The lack of talent on both sides of the ball is evident, mainly on the defense. Although the offense can use some upgrades too. This team needs a Gm that know’s what they are doing. That’s the problem with all the Phila teams actually, the Gm’s all suck. The Sixers Gm seems to have a plan somewhat will see how that shakes out. But all in all until the front offices get straight and start making good decisions then we will never win.
HAS ANYBODY HEARD FROM SKAYNE!!!!!!??????
I know you’re reading this post…GOOD!!! Didn’t I tell you, that you were gonna learn?…You don’t have to answer…Just hold your response. Its a long Season, so be prepared for more education, as you continue to stay positive, and unrealistic in your fandemonium……Chump
Hey asshole! The idiot GM Cliff who hits on 85% of his picks only in his own addled brain. I’m here, since you want to call me out. I said I have to cool off after a loss, just like anyone. Except I’m not like you haters that grab onto every negative any ignore every positive. You can continue your pessimism, I’ll continue to believe this team will succeed.
All the worms who hate Vick decided to make an appearance too, how lovely.
Nothing was proved after 3 games. But I completely underestimated what playing back to back games on such short rest would do to the team. Now they get normal rest the rest of the way except for the bye week.
Laugh now all you want asshole. I haven’t learned shit from you except that you’re an asshole as well as an idiot. Laugh all you want, since you seem to delight in the Eagles losing. Just know it’s about who laughs last, dickhead,
LOL!!!!!!!! hAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!
Strap on your seatbelt, the lesson is a lot longer than 3 games fella.
Why the name calling Skayne? Take your medicine, and learn from it. HERE IS LESSON #1 – One game does not make a season.
And when reality starts to set in that you are wrong, don’t fight it……
Just Kiss my Ass…..
GM
If Peyton Gets 40 minutes against this defense how many TD’s does he throw for??
It doesn’t matter. Thats not something I really care about Regal honestly………..
See me in week 17.
Your enthusiasm is great but totally undeserved by this team.
PLEASE stop with the Vickscuses though he looked over 3 games like he has looked his whole dang career…Average QB who runs better than half the HBs in the league can throw a laser but will turn it over.
NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN!
You are delusional this team sucks gonads, Kelly is a fraud, Vick is Vick, the gm , howie, is a pussy who couldn’t smell pussy in front of his face, the eagles are a joke, gm cliff has been right more than wrong, he’s arrogant, okay, but what do you bring to the table
Once again GM idiot, I only gave what was given, no more, no less.
Typical for Regal to show up after a bad game by Vick. Suspiciously silent after the first two.
This team didn’t play well after doing something no other team has had to do in NFL history. The NFL did us no favors with 3 games in the first eleven, with having to play the 3rd game on even shorter rest after the first short week.
This team doesn’t suck. It wouldn’t have the 13th most yards after 3 games in NFL history if it sucked. Plenty of mistakes have been made but to say the Eagles suck is just typical sky is falling bullshit whenever the Eagles lose. No one else has had to start a season with so many games in so few games, and playing that 3rd game so quickly clearly affected the team.
Look, those of you who like to think the worst, continued to do so after we played the Skins game. If the Eagles were to go as underdogs next week and win in Denver, you would still say they suck.
You will continue to believe as you choose. So will I. We’ll revisit by the at the bye week. If the Eagles have some putrid record, like 2-6, by the bye week,I’ll admit I’m wrong. We have a lot of games until then. We shall see.
BTW, I don’t take delight in the Birds losing. I enjoy pointing out to YOU, your so called optimism, is so different from reality, and allowing the Eagles, and Howie to prove it.
Keep sucking on those sour grapes. I’m aware of what they can accomplish in 2014, so I’m not half as disappointed as you are. See ya next Sunday after the Eagles win.
I don’t know what you call delight, but that was pure elation after an Eagles loss. It’s what you do.
I don’t have sour grapes. You called me out, then I responded in kind. This all started with you responding to my posts, not the other way around.
I’m not disappointed at all. We lost 2 games out of conference. Everything I want this team to accomplish- win the division, get to the playoffs, is right there for the taking. After this week we’ll be no worse than 2nd in the division. There’s no reason for disappoint after only three games.
But you somehow feel vindicated, as if the loss to the Chiefs somehow made my prediction of division title null and void. As I said, whoever laughs last.
My bet is gmcliff will be laughing last
Because this is the worst team draft strategy since Marion Campbell, chip Kelly, a joke, his qb a joke, his defense, that he neglected through the draft and piss poor free agency signings, the biggest joke, where is buddy Ryan, ray Rhodes, even Andy Reid, you fucking pussies
You would lose that bet.
Those who wanted to believe the worst, get to claim victory after only 2 out of conference losses. Cuz a victory for some of you is an Eagles loss.
This is how it’s going to be all season. After any loss, the naysayers will get to make sweeping judgements about Kelly and this team.
That made absolutely no sense….HAHAAAAHAHAHAHHAAHAA!!!
sTOP sKAYNE YOU’RE KILLING ME!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What was so hard for you to understand?
BWAAHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh and my hats off to Andy Reid, the one thing he does well is he always grab’s a good DC. He realizes that defense still wins championships. Who would you guys rather have Sutton or Davis? Case closed.
Except for the Whole McDermitt, Castillo thing you have a point.
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ABV!
The turnovers and guys just not stepping up Killed us last night. Vick turned the ball over with two picks but he didn’t have a historically bad game. Qb’s throw 2ints in games all around the NFL, and nobody cries blood the way we do over Vick. I watched Eli manning toss a pic 6 on his way to a 4int performance week 1 it happens. At this pace Vick is on pace for a 10 int season which is not bad by league standards. He absolutely cannot have that kind of a game week in and week out but this game was winnable and the team has to step up and make plays. Herrimans and Lane cont to struggle in pass protection.
Besides Desean and we know Avant’s limitations, Cooper and the TE bunch just aren’t a factor. Cooper can’t get open and his hands are not good, Ertz drops the ball and is just not ready.
On defense teams just seem to be able to dictate the pace and convert 3rd downs not matter what the distance is. I see good effort better tackling but when we need it, it goes away. Barwin had a chance to get a pick 6 and dropped it. Those are the kind of plays that teams that win take advantage of.
We need to go back to running the ball and trying to pick up the first down and keep the chains moving. The big plays will come, but I think Kelly is falling into the same trap Andy fell into with Vick. You start off coaching one way being safe running calling designed passing plays that are set up by the run. Then Vick makes a couple of amazing throws with his arm and then you start to get crazy trying to see him do it again and again getting further away from what set the throw up in the first place, which is running and safe throws until the defense bites. Future still is bright if we can get back to controlling the pace of the game.
PS. I want Johnny Football in this offense so bad lol
I’d like to bring back a game that we played a lot last year. It’s called “Guess which one is Vick”
Pretty simple…I’ll just put up the stats of various QBs playing the same opponent and you guess which one Vick is,
VS KC (choices, Vick, Gabbert, Romo)
16 of 35 (46%) 121yrds 0td 2 ints
13 of 30 (43%) 201yrds 1td 2 ints
30 of 42 (71%) 298 yrds 1 td 0 ints
VS Washington (choices Vick or Rodgers)
34 of 42 (81%) 480yrds 4tds 0 ints
15 of 25 (60%) 203yrds 2 tds 0 ints
VS SD (choices Vick or Schaub)
23 of 35 (64%) 428yrds 2tds 0 ints
34 of 45 (76%) 346yrds 3tds 1 ints
Superstar is tearing it up in an offense designed just for him!!
Remember when you said you would leave if he got the job?
Remember when i said youd be back fast because you were not man enough to keep your word?
Remember when u you lost the bet?
Remember when you were not man enough?
You were wrong then and are still wrong. The best players play. And the losers get off the blog.
Welcome back vinnie, you never should have bet logic against agenda, you are officially welcomed back, screw the naysayers
Lol… welcome back? Says who? You? Lol… btw… cant welcome back someone who was not man enough to leave in the first place.
Truth remains- i said he would still blog. He laughed at that. He still blogged.
Jake you’re a clown…I can’t respect anyone that doesn’t follow through on their “word”…..especially when they lose. Where I’m from that would actually get the person hurt…but since this is Gcobb, folks like yourself and Vinnie are able to hide behind the keyboard.
Not surprised that most of you are calling Chip Kelly a failure. The Birds have a new coach, staff and 50% turnover of a weak roster. Lets give this a little time. To judge Kelly and the process after 3 games in 11 days is grossly premature.
Well said !!!!
What happened to the Ga-Ga ,Kool-Aid bunch
that Kelly was a Genius and ahead of NFL Defenses after 1 good half of Football versus the Redskins (who by the way got Torched by the Packers for over 600 yards) It goes both ways ..
The reality is that this Team is just not very good
It wasn’t good last year or the year before that. If you’re going to watch and stick with them you have no choice but to let this thing play out. We all want the Eagles to…the talent isn’t there yet for that to happen. No need to keep worrying about it now. I’ll look at the team and evaluate them next year. I’ll just continue to look for growth this year.
There you go Eagle,…Growth……Thats all you can ask for at this time..thats Realistic……….
Exactly. Been saying all offseason that this team was not good enough and needed to grow and develop young players.
Yet we continue to roll out a 33 year old beat up the downside of his very mediocre career QB.
How is that ‘growth’??
Growth in the system among other players besides the QB is still growth. Dude, you got an obsessive infactuation with Vick that is borderline mentally unhealthy. Your obsession with Vick made you break a bet you lost to come back on here as soon as he made a bad play just to dish out your I told you so’s.
There has been growth on the ST’s this year, the defense has shown some signs of playing better as well as the Offense. No one denies better talent isn’t needed, even in the QB position,however, growth is growth. You can’t deny that they haven’t been more exciting than last year except last weeks game which was brutally boring. You have to understand there is more than one position on this team that marks growth other than QB.
Vinnie, your my homie so please don’t take this the wrong way….Michael Vick is not impeding that growth. His last game, wasn’t great, but this offense wouldn’t be as exciting without his skill set.
I like Foles but the approach would have to be different. Vick gives you a glimpse into the potential of Kellys system.
Well clearly they’re drafting a QB next year with the first pick. I can’t see how they don’t at this point.
And with Cleveland announcing to the league that they’re going to tank the season like Indy did 2 years back, they will have, at best, the second pick for a QB next draft.
Knowing (unfortunately) that Foles doesn’t fit in their plans….they should put him in against a couple creampuff Ds (perhaps next game vs Washington) to pump up his trade stock.
I don’t see how Vick gives us a glimpse into Kelly’s system at all. Oregon was about short accurate passing (not Vick). Being ready quickly at the LOS (obviously not Vick – and the two ‘not ready or in the right place’ for the snap cemented that)
And can we not now lay to rest the whole “all Reid did was call bombs” garbage. It should be pretty obvious that its Vick who chooses the bombs away offence.
Here came Reid this week, Shaded the safety towards bombs away Desean and Vick can’t cope. Can’t throw screens. Can’t throw guys open – always has to wait till a guy is 3 yards open – and with Cooper and Avant that isn’t going to happen. Offense grinds to a halt.
Rei, and Kelly set all kinds of guys to all kinds of Levels….Vick always looks for the bombs away….and when that’s removed. Its over.
I thought the eagles were going to be 2-1, and perhaps 3-0….But losing to lousy SD and not beating a western team coming east on a Thursday is almost inexcusable.
We’re not good enough to win in Denver…that’s 1-3…I think its remotely possible (though doubtful) that the brds sweep at NYG, at TB (both bad teams) and home to Dallas…..but that’s only if everything breaks perfectly.
The reality is, that for the 3rd year in a row, the season is over by October.
Get the kids in at QB.
Lol. In the first 2 games this o did what it needed to do… score points. Even with the chargers limiting the teams chances to have the ball… they scored. In game 1 and 3 they used the run game to their advantage. I would take this O over the bombs away crap of the last 5 years. Clearly andy has seen the light. Why cant u? You are the laughing stock of this site. U are clueless and even though u lost a bet that set us free of u….. u still speak.
Plus… vinnie… vick is here for at least 1 more year. Mark my words…. this is our qb. This offseason is goind to be about landing 3 new pieces on thr D to have us contend. I know this is painful for u but… this O is really good.
I guarantee you they won’t draft a QB in next years draft, at least in the first 4 rounds. We will, and should concentrate on DEfense, and OG, as well as Free agency. We don’t need a QB.
I agree cliff. No qb unless one falls into their laps. Vick in the guy. So sad vinnie… goodbye.
words of wisdom……are you paying attention Skayne?
Won’t find any wisdom from you naysayers. I get dumber every time I read one of your posts.
Sucks the eagles couldnt win that san diego game.. Desean Jackson fault .. When you can win a game you gotta win it.. I knew there was noway andy reid ws going to let chip kelly beat him
Desean’s fault? For ‘dropping’ a pass I suppose. Or as TS says Casey’s fault for also dropping a ‘catch’
Funny. I bet the 2 of you will be the first to blame Kelce for the second snap that went through Vick’s hands right beside his head.
no the 15 yard penalty did you even watch the game
LOL!! So I guess, the bad play of the defense didn’t have anything to do with it right?
DeSeans fault. That statement flatout proves, your lacking in your common sense brother.
And for Eagleshas landed.
Of course its a “team game!!” But constantly announcing that is a copout. Its a team game, but in today’s football, one guy on the team is infinitely more important that all the others.
That’s the QB. Its the way the league is set up. I didn’t make it that way – it just is. You cannot win a championship in the NFL unless you have a superstar QB (or at least one who plays like one for 2 months (eli and flacco)
Here….Simmons encapsulates it perhaps better than I:
“The 2013 Browns have hung around in both losses but haven’t been able to run or throw. Sadly, those are the only two ways to score in football. (Hold on, I’m using my Talking Head Voice.) If you can’t run the ball or throw the ball, you can’t win in the National. Football. League! So they accepted their fate much like the 76ers did and said, “Screw it, this is ridiculous, WE’RE NEVER GONNA HAVE A CHANCE until we find a franchise quarterback.”
Every 2013 contender employs either an elite QB (Seattle, San Francisco, Denver, New England, Green Bay, New Orleans, Atlanta) or a decent-enough QB that they can’t be ruled out (Chicago, Miami, Houston, maybe K.C.). That’s just the NFL in 2013. It’s flag football with pads. If you don’t have someone who can chuck the ball and take advantage of the pass-friendly rules, you’re DOA.
You know what else? The revamped rookie scale practically begs teams with top-12 picks to roll the dice on quarterbacks. In retrospect, Miami grabbing Ryan Tannehill with 2012’s no. 8 pick wasn’t just smart, it was borderline brilliant. He could absolutely be Joe Flacco 2.0 … and they have him on a four-year guaranteed deal worth $12.67 million. That’s an insane price. San Francisco and Seattle are even luckier — they have Kaepernick and Wilson, respectively, locked up for this year and next for less than $5 million combined. Compare those numbers to St. Louis’s situation with the eternally half-decent Sam Bradford — under the old rules, he signed a six-year, $78 million deal with $37.2 million guaranteed. Yeeesh.”
Football in 2013….flag football with pads. Absolutely correct.
You NEED a qb who can throw 4500 yrds and 30 tds.
Mick Vick is not, nor ever will be that. So every minute playing a guy who cannot win the way the NFL is currently set up is a wasted minute.
Trent Dilfer of the Baltimore Ravens sub-average QB, but a superbowl winnig QB. The Eagles may draft a QB next year depending on who is available when they pick. Vinnie you never know, you may be blessed with Vick again. LOL. I think if the Eagles has a chance at a Bridgewater (not) or Mariota then they will draft their QB of the future. If not they will go defense.
Dude, The Dilfer thing is an outlier. The exception to the rule. Not to mention it was 13 years ago, the game has changed, and he had a once in a genteration hall of fame D backing him up.
Its a different game, and the Birds don’t have anything close (nor does anyone) on D.
It’ll be Mariota, or Bridgewater, Boyd, or Manziel I guess…..but its obviously going to be someone.
I’m going by your rule of thumb, so I brought up Dilfer, it’s at my disposal to benefit my argument so I used it. Now, as far as a QB, Please no to Manziel or Boyd. Jeesh, if not Bridegewater or Mariota just wait. Jameis Winston from Fla. State or Brett Hundley in 2015. The defense needs a lot of help so i’d be looking heavily at corner. I’m going to say something that may make some people on here cringe, but, if mike Evans WR from TexasA&M comes out, maybe Chip snatches him. I think either QB or defense though.
Desean even knew it was his fault as he looked on dejected on the side line.
Guys… why bother wasting breath on a guy whos not even supposed to be around?
He made a bet because he trully believes his own hate… but the coach knows the game and so… vinnie isnt even here. Let his talk to jake… we have all moved on from this.
We read vinnie because he’s smart, he provides analysis besides his opinion, you stevo are like a politician running to be the gcobb president, how’s that working out
I don’t have time to study the minutiae , I go by my gut, and it has told me for a long time that Vick, a cool dude off the field, is an average qb at best with serious flaws
Vinnie serves an important in bringing stats to prove the obvious
Correction… YOU read vinnie cause YOU think hes smart.
As far as part 2… hu? Dude.. its a blog not an election. What the stupid are u talking about?
Vinnie writes eagles have no chance with mike vick
and for the last 9 times Mike Vick took the field, Vinnie was correct 8 times-
I like those odds –
dude… SIMPLETON!!! The eagles have no chance with joe smo being their water boy and guy mcstupid being their towl boy. The eagles have no chance because this team has been run into the ground for the last 5 years. ITS GOING TO TAKE TIME!!!
Vick is the qb… whether we like it or not… get over it already.
Get over what??
The fact that this is a rebuilding project is exactly the ENTIRE POINT. It is going to take time. So playing the old man at QB is completely, embarrassingly stupid.
Get the kids in there to take their lumps now. Find out if they can play now.
It takes 2 years of playing to develop a qb….we may have one a quarter of the way along – or we might not – who knows? Better to find out than eeek out a 7-9 season with the turnover machine (3 fumbles, a snap through his hands, and 2 picks in 3 games) tossing the odd ‘exciting 60 yrd bomb.
Trade his ass to the Vikings now (while he still has some value – before he gets broken in half – I mean the guy is dragging himself off the turf every 3rd play) and move on with the rebuilding project now.
Vinnie- The O is not rebuilding. This is the O you will see again next year. The rebuilding is on the D side of the ball. Im sorry… but… McCoy is shredding teams. Desean is putting up yards. Bubble screens, slants, runs and shots downfield are working. Bombs away days are over. Andy left some pieces on the Oside to work with. I know they had a bad game… and may have more but…. this is the eagles O. Get over THAT.
“Bombs Away” days are over.
As if.
Last year 42 of Vick’s 344 attempts travelled over 20 yards in the air. Or 12%
Last year 12 of his 344 attempts travelled over 40 yards in the air, or 3%
Going in to the KC game (and no I don’t have those #s yet, but they’ll be the same)…… This year 8 of Vick’s 63 attempts travelled over 20 yards in the air. Or 13%.
This year 2 of his 63 attempts travelled over 40 yards in the air. Or 3%
Seems like Vick has thrown the EXACT SAME % of deep “bombs away” balls. And the pass attempts are similar.
Oh….wait….now you’ll say some shit about how it wasn’t just …
the ‘attempts’ it was the play calls too….the “slow developing” deep ‘bombs away’ calls under Reid led to more sacks and such…
Except last year Vick was sacked on 7% of his dropbacks, while this year he’s being sacked on 10% of his dropbacks.
Back to the drawing board Stevo.
Spend 3 of the first 4 picks in the draft on Offense. Attempt to take a new franchise tackle, add a playmaking TE, draft 2 Qbs over 2 years…..but they’re not rebuilding the O.
Sure.
oh vinnie- so simple….
RUNS!!!
what % of snaps lead to passes over 20 yards?
what % of snaps in 2011? 2012?
softball dude. that was a softball.
you over and over again fail to see what a run game can do.
ill do the work for you vinnie….
McCoy is running 2x as much as he did last year.
He is av 2.2 yards a carry more.
Vick is throwing 5 passes less a game yet av 40 yards a game more.
The bubble screens and pop passes are big.. this is freed up because of the run.
Sorry Dude…. you got worked on that one. If you dont see the diff between Andy Reid’s bombs away O and Chip Kellys run first…. well.. then you are just being vinnie then.
Here’s something crazy to think of,
As poorly as the Eagłes have Played this far.
Many NFC Competitors lost today
The Giants, Redskins, Packers, Falcons, 49ers
& Vikings (many if these Teams favored as well)
The NFC as a whole doesn’t appear as strong as it looked at the Start of the Season.. If the Steelers beat the Bears to Steelers, than the Eagłes area basically 1 Game out.. Food for thought, while the NFC East remains wide open
In my opinion
Blue sky paulman, blue sky, as long as Vick is at the helm the eagles have no shot, no shot, you know that too
Jake? With the current GM,front office, and defensive coordinator, which QB would give us a shot?
What QB could be injected in our current team that would give them a shot at a championship?
Paul,
You could have the Gates of paradise wide open (as you point out the NFC is)
But the Blind and Crippled man (the eagles) is not walking through them unless Jesus shows up on scene.
Translation – It would take a MIRACLE to have a winning season and / or make the playoffs maybe at 7-9. The goal should be just get better birds.
Do you really think this team is ready to challenge for a superbowl???
Play the games and learn. Let the young guys learn. Vick, Heremans, Avant to some extent Celek all should be backing up young guys. You win this year by establishing who can be here next year and who needs to be replaced.
All I am saying is that at 1-2 , the Eagłes Season is not over due to the same problems that many NFC Teams are facing
49ers can’t Run, Giants are a complete mess right now
Atlanta and Packers are underperforming with shaky Defenses
The Vikings have zippo at QB, Redskins, Cardinals, Rams can’t stop anyone either.. It’s wide ass open is my point..
It is wide open…however….and they have a bit of an opportunity.
They’ll get Denver on a short week coming off (probably) a division win and perhaps looking past the Birds at teh big meeting at Dallas the following week. So its a bit of a donut game for Denver. They might be sloppy.
The denver game is followed by the NYG (who are obviously in freefal) and the Bucs who might have a new coach and QB at that point.
So its possible the ship caould be righted…but more likely is a loss in Denver to 1-3, wins vs NYG and TB and then another loss vs Dallas. Middling along to 7-9, 8-8 or so. Fun.
And what did you expect after a 4-12 season last year. That they would win the SB this year. Your boy Foles gonna get them to 10-12 wins?
Pman.. im with u. When we start playing the giants and dallas we shall see what we are.
No he isn’t welcome back. Speak for yourself jake. To use one of your favorite words; he’s a pussy for not honoring a bet he made. There’s no way around it. If you’re man enough to make a bet with those conditions, then be man enough to honor it when you lose. All the cheer-leading for him to stay sounds like something teenage boys do. Fuck Vinnie.
I support this post!
Just to keep the blood boiling:
29th in completion %
13th in TDs thrown
16th in interceptions thrown (decent)
2nd in sacks taken
12th in yrds/game
In an offense that is ‘perfect’ for his skill set.
With stats padded by playing against the completely inept Washington and SD Defenses.
That’s the best we’ll see all year.
I wonder what Kelly’s O would look like with a guy who can complete even the league average in passes.
you’re a half a man…100% certified Grade A “kitty kat”…still showing your punk ass around here.
Take in to account the TD’s scored with his legs…Where was he in completion percentage before the last game? It’s way too early in the season to throw around your bullshit stats….punk bitch
I haven’t been able to get on, been handling some important matters. Eagles played terrible, in every aspect other than the defense. Vick looked uncomfortable and started playing the way he played for most part last season. But I’m confident he’ll revert back to what we’ve seen throughout the preseason and the first 2 games this season, next time out. Disappointed in everyone’s performance…Didn’t like the play calling, O line play, special teams. Was a little surprised with who struggled on the O Line. Deep QB drops, Peters was getting beat, his man was just going up field as far as possible and able to turn the corner and get pressure. I noticed Kelce had a wrap on his thumb, maybe contributed to his miscues..Demaris in at WR. But I’d also like to see him hold onto the ball.
Eagles were out coached, out played, damn near manhandled.
Bronco’s is going to be a very tough task.
Only thing that made me smile about football this weekend was WSH and NYG going 0-3.
Chips offense is pretty sick the way it is. I would prefer a fast paced offense based on short throws and runs, rather than homerun throws and runs. But Vick just isnt capable every play has to be a home-run (I guess Andy Reid is still calling the plays here right Realtalk?). I am enjoying watching this offense even with Vick at qb which is surprising as I think he is a bottom 10 qb in the league. anyways get a real qb on this team a guy capable of making all the throws, sustaining drives and wearing out opponents defenses and I think Chip will have a fantastic career in philly.
gotta love the trashman real talk for calling people names for pointing out that vick has always stunk and always will stink…
I’m calling him names because his a man not of his word…he said he would bow out, won’t post if he lost the bet…That’s the big problem I have with him right now…had I lost, I would of stopped posted as the terms of the bet stated….If you can support someone like that, more power to you…but in my book, you’re a punk bitch too!
it is very unbecoming of a man to not be a man of his word and pay his debts i agree
he had a bad game…have you been looking around the NFL and seen the struggles of some top rated QB’s? Guess not…guess Vick has to play perfect games…Considering you think he sucks so bad, you shouldn’t be expecting perfection…But I see you and Vinnie are of the same cloth….Soon as Vick makes a mistake, has a bad game…He is the worse QB in the league. Every loss falls at the feet of the Eagles QB…hell no one else should suit up, just send Vick out on the field without a line and WR’s and let him win the game by hisself…
i gave vick his props game 1. game 2 i said he was phenomenal but shouldve won us the game either on the last drive or made better throws on the casey pass or the 3 missed opportunities to desean which wouldve won us the game. game 3 he was absolutely horrid.
i look at mikes total resume when i come to the conclusions ive came to with him.
you just cant win it all with the guy. and he will single handily lose you some games.
i just want the eagles to have a shot to win it all man and i know we cant with him. same with this defense as currently constructed but thats a unit not one guy. 1 guy can put you in contention and thats the qb but he can also take you out of it
This is your standard stats package that is completely slanted to your point of view without any sort of context for it like the idea that Kelly wants to run the football.
He has had 1 bad game this year and 2 good games if you actually look at a context.
Week 1- McCoy had 180 yards and they took their foot off the gas at half time.
Week 2- He threw for 428 yards plus 2 TDs
Week 3- He had a bad game. I won’t defend him here.
BTW-since you love stats.
If you projected him for 16 games with his averages for 3, then he would have 4437 yards, 27 TDs and 10 Ints. Now you are probably gonna say that he won’t last the whole season which would actually be a context. But I too can present stand alone stats to try to prove my point without any context.
Holy ish….someone with sense…must be a knowledgeable football fan!
YES!! great points bugsy. I think people will have to come to grips with the fact that this O and qb are here to stay for a while.
4437 yards and 27 tds? That’s 2 seasons worth of work for the former superstar.
Even after padding his stats against what are clearly 2 of the worst defenses in football (context) VIck still doesn’t grade up well.
Check the comparables –
Against Washington Vick’s stats pale in comparison to both Rodgers or Stafford (oh and Rodgers RBs also ran for 140+ in a game where they took their foot off the gas).
And against pathetic SD – sure he threw for 400 yards…..but so did the incomparable Matt Schaub and Jake frikkin’ Locker! So I guess he’s in good company with those amazing QBs.
Vick’s “amazing’ games against wsh and Sd don’t look all that amazing when we compare them to the other qbs who played the same teams.
must not have any friends…even though you’ve been banned must be the only place you can talk to actual people…punk bitch
Stats stats stats… where where these stats last week?
Here is a stat- Vinnie is 0-1 is living up to his bets. 0%.
As always guys… Vinnie has made it all on the QB- simpleton!! And here is the prob with that… if you point to the fact that it’s a team game…. you get labeled a vicolgist or whatever….. because in his mind (along with his cheerleader)… its all about the qb.
lets get back to reality…..
Vick did not win the 1st game.. and pretty much no-one said he did. The Eagles won the game because Chip called a great game, the O carried it out well, the D made some big plays early, and because the Redskins are the redskins.
Game 2- The O looked great even tho they didnt have the ball much. The D struggled most of the game, only getting 3 stops (great job by boykins tho-wow) and Kelly/Vick failed to punch it in the endzone when it counted.
Game 3- Bad. Vick was bad. Kelce was bad. Special teams were bad. The Chiefs played good d and our team s#^@ the bed.
As a team they are 1-2 and prolly going to be 1-3 but.. you never know.
I am standing with Chip Kelly… the season is young and you play your best players.
i roll with chip too and think the denver game is gonna be played close