I know it’s the Philadelphia Eagles versus the Denver Broncos on the NFL schedule this week, but to be totally honest, it’s really Chip Kelly versus Peyton Manning. Kelly’s offense has gotten a lot of hype leading up to the season, now many of the members of the “NFL old guard” want to see the master defense-reading and play-adjusting Manning teach Kelly a lesson or two.
Both Manning and Kelly have been called a geniuses by some. Some have said that Manning’s intellect takes the quarterback position to another level. Others have said the same about Kelly and how his offense is changing the NFL as we know it.
Yesterday one of the members of the old guard was joking about an article regarding Kelly being a genius because he coached at John Hopkins. Quite a few members of the NFL coaching establishment are eager to teach Kelly a lesson. Just like a rookie player coming into the league is greeted by players wanting to put him in his place, there are plenty of NFL coaching types who want to see Kelly put in his place.
Manning is able to read a defense at the line of scrimmage like few quarterbacks have ever done. He makes the complicated adjustments on 3rd downs seem like child’s play and is always a step or two ahead of the league’s defenses.
The former Indianapolis Colts signal caller can call all the plays and make all the adjustments at the line of scrimmage without the need of getting into the huddle. Many NFL onlookers say Manning is the offensive coordinator of the Broncos, not Adam Gase, who has the offensive coordinator position. Manning runs the offensive part of the team’s practices.
Kelly’s uptempo offense, which gives the quarterback multiple options during each play is turning heads around the league. He has been the talk of the league since accepting a head coaching offer from Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie.
On Sunday they’ll be actually battling the opposing defensive coordinators in the game, but they will also be competing against each other to see, who can outfox NFL defenses the best. Whichever offense impresses the most on Sunday will be able to over shadow the other in the battle of offensive geniuses.
“Outstanding performance”, Kelly said yesterday about Manning’s performance on Monday night football. “Offensively very difficult when you see your quarterback playing at that level right now. He’s got a lot of weapons. You got [Wes] Welker, [Demaryius] Thomas, [Eric] Decker, wherever you want to put them in. Three really good running backs. It’s a tough challenge for us this week”.
Everyone knows that there are going to be times when Manning is going to decipher what the Eagles are doing defensively and make some big plays, but the key for Kelly and his offense is to make some big plays of their own. The high-powered attack of the Broncos will affect Kelly’s decisions during the game. He knows the Birds will probably need to put plenty of points on the board in order to have a chance of coming out on top.
“We always consider who we’re playing and what we’re doing when we’re making our decisions”, Kelly said earlier in the week. “I think you’re asking, ‘Do you go for it on fourth down and some of those situations? You always have to factor in the opponent”.
“You also have to factor in your defense. There’s a lot of things that go into it. I never look at it as a pure statistical thing. The statistics say 62% of the time you’re going to convert, so you got to go with that number”.
“It’s where you’re putting them, are you going to put that guy back out on the field? I know [New England head coach Bill] Belichick had one a couple of years ago when he went for it on fourth down in his own territory because he didn’t want to give the ball back to Peyton Manning. Didn’t get it. His thought process was if he’s going to punt it, he’s going to march the field anyway. I think sometimes you definitely have to take your opponent into consideration when you make those decisions”.
Kelly and his football team would like nothing better than to win a shootout against one of the best quarterbacks in football history.
It’s a shame this isn’t the playoffs because that’s when Manning self-destructs. Kelly will need the Eagles offense to execute in the red zone every time they get the chance. They must get touchdowns and not field goals.
In addition, the Birds secondary will need to jam the Broncos receivers and disrupt the timing of Manning and his receivers. A good jam will also force Manning to hold onto the football for a count or two longer, which will give the Birds’ pass rush more time to get there.
I’ll get into more of the detail of stopping Manning later in the week.
don’t worry about that, two names ( Allen and Kendricks) no Manning problem any more. LOL
Trent Cole has to force a consistent Bronco Double Team to help Chris Clark.
the entire game is going to be decided right there in that match up.
To compare Coach “Jelly Kelly’s” Offensive Genius after 3 NFL Games to a 12-14 Year Veteran Hall of Famer, with multiple NFL MVP’s Winner and Super Bowl Winner is a slap in the face to any NFL Fan.. C’Mon G-Man, will you get real about Chip Kelly’s Genius already.. What has he proven, outside of snappting the ball every 18 Second’s.. We all know how well QB Manning has played over his Career and has forever changed the Game in how QB’s prepare, read defenses on pre-snaps and how to run a hurry up Offense and take advantage of mis-matches.. He just does it better and more consistently and has done so over a longer period of time than any other QB
Let’s give Coach Jelly Kelly a few Seasons before annointing him anywhere near a “Genius Level” that for too many in the media are hailing him as..
The Packers, Patriots, Saints, Manning with the Broncos & Colts before,49ers with Kaep and now many more teams like the Bills,Dolphins, Falcons, Cowboys, Lions, Ravens & Steelers are all running an uptempo style based on the situation ..
Over the past season and a half…..
Denver has scored over 30 points in 14 of their last 16 games with Manning under centre.(even though QB isn’t important)
Eagles have scored 20 points or less in 8 of the last 12 games with Mike Vick under centre.pts (even though QB isn’t important)….they’ve cracked 30 pts only 2x (against, stastically, the worst 2 defenses in the NFL this year) to go with the 2 times they were held under 10 points.
Good times coming up!!
noone said the QB is not important. Its so important that teams need to have their best QB on the field if they want to try and win games. Teams that have dont have a good enough QB should be actively searching the nfl draft and FA’s to find the best option for their team.
I know its hard for you to understand but their are not 32 Mannings sitting out there in FA just waiting to be had. But since the 30 points mark is so important to you…. the Eagles under Chip Kelly have 2 games thus far with 30 or points. So…….
Too bad you cant play the redskins defense every week. Btw If you think Vinnie is obsessed with Vick, thats nothing compared to this guy Stevos obsession with Vinnie. I don’t agree with everything you say Vinnie, you make some good/bad points, but damn you might need a restraining order in place from this dude Stevo. He can’t get enough of you lmao
Put the pom poms down. Its my job to remind vinnie he lost the bet and needs to go.
Stevo telling someone to put the pom-poms down???? LMMFBO!!!! CLASSIC! 😉
Seriously, gcobb, this is a joke, no wonder other fans ridicule us,
Its pretty sad when your coach (esp one who has accomplished nothing in this league) is the face of your NFL franchise. Says a lot about who your QB is since the ones that are actually great-to-good are the face of the franchise and could pretty much get their coaches fired on the spot if they gave the owner an ultimatum. This is the NFL, not college. Its kinda like when Doug Collins was with the Sixers, thats when you know your team just blows.
I find it highly amusing, how the offensive genius title, gets thrown around so very loosely. Can someone please explain to me, WTF exactly has this overhyped, over-caffeinated, goofball accomplished? Prior to this year, he has ZERO NFL experience, at any level, shape, or form! His so-called, genius, groundbreaking, change the NFL offense, is nothing but a gimmick, that has been used in all levels of football, in one way, shape, or form. It’s a freaking hybrid offense, that is already being used by SF, Seattle, Washington & many NCAA teams. Only difference is, he’s in constant no huddle, read option. Give me a freaking break. When he actually comes in the league, & invents an offense, like the West coast offense, the way Bill Walsh did, & actually wins multiple SB’s, maybe then he can be called a genius. How many National Championships has he won? How many good, successful, players, has he spawned to the NFL, from his so-called offensive genius? Give it a f^#@ing rest! Nauseating.
I guess Sid Gillman, Ernie Zampese, Don Coryell, Kevin Gilbride also wouldn’t quality under your tunnel vision acceptance genius parameters
What’s nauseating is know-nothings who see Kelly’s offense as trickery because they are ignorant about football.
The things you’re saying about Kelly is what’s said anytime somebody brings something new to the NFL. You laud Walsh, but know-nothings similar to you blew off his offense as college stuff and gimmicry when he first brought it to the NFL.
Of course Kelly is just getting started, but Walsh had the same naysayers as well. Facts are, the offense is 2nd in total yardage and 9th in points. I, know those facts mean nothing to you.
Facts? Facts are that Walsh was OC under Paul Brown for years and worked with Ken Anderson for years. The only reason he was In SF was because Brown didn’t trust scheme. Walsh had plenty of NFL experience, Unlike Mr Kelly…So don’t let the facts get in the way of you putting out misinformation. Yes Walsh was a college Guy but he was NFL tested…Kelly has has a ton of Hype and We are scoring less points than Dallas in the Division…More facts. We have played 1 good defense and two very bad defenses…Our offense had given up 2 run back TD’s both Gifts from our fearless QB. I can’t believe you put “you Laud Waslsh” lol…Of course we do. Man wasan Inovator and It’s a historical fact…Kelly hasn’t proven anything Yet….He might…but not yet….I don’t think Walsh would try a dumbass 2 point conversion on national TV for no damn reason….
Ok, so with that said….??? Are you saying that kelly’s offense has been a failure thus far? I don’t see how cats can complain when the offense is tops in the league in major categories…
I said we don’t know if he will be a failure or not…He just doesn’t have the credentials coming into his position that a Bill Walsh had.
There’s a lot more to Kelly’s system than just the offensive scheme and Xs and Os… It’s the whole coaching package, from the way he runs training camp and practices, to the way he communicates plays (offensive and defensive), to the playbook terminology, etc….
More than an offensive genius, I would call Kelly a coaching genius. Many of his coaching, training, and communication tactics have been widely adopted in both college and pro ball.
The guy is a master at creating mismatches on the football field. He could take any offensive scheme and put some unique twist on it, and make it work.
My only question is – is he truly willing to adapt to a different style QB if need be? I doubt it… I think he will find another Vick after this one is gone, or becomes ineffective. I think anyone hoping for Foles to be a starter in Kelly’s offense might be waiting a long time.
I know that you’re too simple to understand that points scored is affected by the D as well as the O, which is the only reason Dallas scored 36 in the first game.
The Eagles outperform the Cowboys in every other offensive category, so trying to claim their O is better is asinine.
Your also too simple to understand my point. His offense was mocked, just like Kelly is being mocked. He was coach at Stanford, and his offense was called gimmicky to. There was a point where he had to establish himself, just like Kelly. The haters are gonna hate. But when your offense has gained the eighth most yards in NFL history after 3 games you know offense, especially when you’re doing it with the qb you love to hate.
Don’t be glib or stupid….you talked about facts so I gave you the facts. I disagree with you totally on the Walsh this so Im simple…You have shown your intelligence and your insight. Ill continue to read your opinions for laughs though. You have your hands full with Dcar already.
You still haven’t addresed my point, so what are you talking about?
I was comparing how people talk when someone does something new in the Nfl. You decided to make a point about something entirely different.
I’m laughing that you brought up something I didn’t address. Reading comprehension fail.
I pointed out the differences in the two you used as examples…the comprehension fail is on you. Even Steve Spurrier had NFL experience as a QB and he would be a better comparison then the NFL tested Walsh. He used that offense in Cinci before Stanford…..I digress…keep laughing might keep you sane through this season.
What’s nauseating, is clueless, excuse making, bow down at the alter MFers like you, don’t know WTF you are talking about, & have the balls to call me a know-nothing, when I’m right, mostly all of the time. You jack@$$, hypocritical, delusional, irrational, mindless idiots just argue, for the sake of arguing! Nobody answered my question, WTF has he done, or accomplished, to have this unwarrented genius tag, thrown around so loosely? Answer the freaking question! He ain’t did $#!t yet, & his gimmick bs offense, is no different than many other offenses. You ats don’t know WTF you are watching, or WTF you are talking about!
I already answered your bogus question. WTF, can’t you f @@$!#@ read! Reading your idiot posts with a million symbols hurts my eyeballs.
What don’t you understand about being 2nd in offense? Or having the 3rd most offensive tds? Or having the most receptions over 20 yards? Or most rushes over 20 yards? I don’t have time to list every stat to a someone who can’t even understand Kelly’s offense! You’re to simple to understand it!
SO, being 2nd in offense, 3rd in td’s, most receptions over 20 yrds, most rushes over 20 yards, after 3 NFL games warrants the title of being a genius?!? You are the biggest fucking, retarded moron, I’ve ever encountered! What kind of brainless, lemming are you?!? That’s the most asinine, idiotic thing I’ve ever heard! You have the balls to call me simple? Dude, go get your imbecilic mind checked! Some of you cats don’t have brains of a leaf of lettuce! Absolutely, mind-boggling, STUPID! Get fucking lost! There no symbols.
the league’s game plan to defend Mike Vick has been push him to the right ( Mike Vick is dangerous if he scrambled to the left and useless if he scrambles to the right. So Chip Kelly put DJax on the right side. So D coordinator had a choice blitz his rookie Tackle and push Vick left or give Vick a DJax go route if pushed right reading what the safety does( defend Vicks legs or double team DJax deep. pretty smart!
I see you’re too simple, I don’t know why I bothered with some loudmouth blowhard. I knew facts couldn’t get in the way of you idiotic train of thought.
I mean, I knew your IQ was in the 50s, but this takes the cake.
Facts???? So meaningless stats, after 3 games, 3 GAMES, warrants him being called a genius? And I’m the simple idiot, with an IQ in the 50’s. Bruh, you might be the dumbest, irrational person, on this site! Apparently, not only are you stupid, in need of hooked on phonics, but you are incapable of answering a simple question! If you think he is a genius, that makes your standards, & expectations, pretty f^#@ing low. You are a stupid embarrassment, & everyone knows it. Go the f^#@ away, imbecile! BTW, like I’ve told, & proven to you & the other retards on here, that I’ve proven wrong & idiotic, you couldn’t come close to my intelligence son! So take your clownery elsewhere.
Yes…he’s played well, but the dude is old, he doesn’t like to get hit and he doesn’t take hits very well. I really dislike that so many people try to deify the man that has won a lot in the regular season, but not so much in the post season. I hate the fact that people want to deify this guy this season when 2 of the 3 teams the Broncos beat have proven that they are playing putrid football so far this year.
I do know the Eagles have to be on the look out for the 15 yard bubble screens, I do know that Eagles defenders have to get good jams on the WRs consistently to slow down Manning’s pace and give the pass rushers an extra second to get in his face. I do know that Manning thrives against zone coverage. Hopefully, Vinny Curry will get some significant time and get moved around on the line, hopefully Brandon Graham will get some time. I don’t view this as an automatic loss.
I also know that it’s too early to tell whether Chip Kelly is more like Bill Walsh or more like Steve Spurrier.
I seriously feel the Eagles have a chance to win this game Sunday.
But please just stop with the Brandon Graham savior crap. He isn’t anything close to what most thought he is, or will be. If they win this game he won’t be a significant reason why.
the altitude probably suggests curry, graham, matthews, poyer, geathers, logan, and wolff will all be needed more this week more so than is any other game this year– If someone says I hope Brown gets some time or Damaris gets some time are you going to interject with “they ain’t all that”.
Eagles have little chance in stopping Peyton Manning and their Running Game
I do think the Eagels can put some points on the Board, but Bronco’s win
big 42-31 in an exciting fun game to watch.. As Usual, Turnovers are Critical and the Eagles would need to win that battle and make some big SPecial Teams Plays just to have a chance
Remember that Bronco’s have one of the Best Defensive Stats in stopping the Run, so McCoy will have his work cut out for him.. This Game will be on the Arm of VIck and I think we all know how that ends.. Vick will have some Big Plays, some lost Opportunites in the Red-Zone and some Turnovers..
It is what it is ..
“remember the broncos have one of the best def. stats in stopping the run so mccoy will have his work cut out from him” . Followed by “you have to look at stats with a certain perspective andrew” “the broncos have had wide margins by halftime making other teams pass”
Which is it fraudman? do the stats make it hard for mccoy to run or are the stats skewed? or is it fraudman taking both sides of an issue?
Keep in mind, as bad as everyone says our D secondary is, Denver’s is ranked worse! The Eagles keep the turnovers down and this game is gonna be closer then you think.
You have to look at Stats with a certain perspective Andrew
Total Yards Made or Total Yards Given-up can be skewed in many ways.. Remember the fact that the Broncos have been up by wide margins by halftime in all of their 3 games basically making the other Teams in having to Pass almost entirely in the 2nd half…
Here’s another example.. RGIII has thrown for 975 Yards Ranking him 5th overall in the NFL, has completed 63% of his Passes with 5 TD’s which look pretty good on the Surface.. Then you dig deeper and find out that they have been behind by very large margins in 2 of their first 3 games so of course he is going to pass, pass, pass against mostly Prevent type of Defenses where any QB can accumulate “Garbage Stats”
At the end of the day, it’s about Winning Games, minimizing negative Plays and Turnovers when they matter most and converted 3rd Downs and Getting TD’s once inside the Red-Zone to finish off a Drive and Win Games..
I think you are getting hung-up on Stats a little too much
A coupole of Rumors around in my head…
1) Chip Kelly signs a 5 Year $30 MIllion Deal with the University of Texas
replacing Mack Brown who gets fired after the Season
2) Chip Signs a 5 Year $25 Million Deal with University of Southern Califonia replacing Lane Kiffin who gets fired after the Season
3) Chip Kelly Signs a 5 Year $24 Million Deal with Notre Dame University after their Coach Brian Kelly, takes the NY Jets Job after Rex Ryan Gets fired after the Season
4) Chip Kelly remains with Eagles thru the 2016 Season and amasses a combined Record 30-34 in his 64 Games and Zero Playoff appearances in his 4 Years at the helm of the Eagles…
New GM Paulman hires Andy Reid back after his 2 Super Bowl Wins for the Chiefs and the Eagles Go 13-3 in his first year back in 2017..
Paulman & Coach AR are lauded as a “Genius’s by everyone, and this is how the Story ends….
Chip told me everything I needed to know about him when he Chose to start Vick.
That was his classic coaching blunder and he will feel the wrath of the coach killer!
Eagles Offense:
2nd in yards
8th in scoring
QB is ranked 28th in red zone efficiency in the league.
Wait….haven’t we see this before???? I thought that was Andy Reid’s fault.
Welcome to the Nightmare Vinster…..Just do’t drink the Koolaid man…Now with Chip flavoring.
Eagles are 1-2, There are 15 Teams in the NFL with 2 or 3 Wins thus Far in the Season.. They are a middle of the pack Talent, Coach , Scheme wise
WHo gives a crap if Vick throws for 500 Yards a Game or McCoy gets 250 Yards a game or D-Jax gets 2,000 Yards this Season in Receiving..
It’s about Winning Games
Pman- you know this is going to take time. For the 2013-2014 season its also about what they are building to be. They need a starting corner, 1 NT and at least 1 safety. And they need depth. They need to figure out what they should do with guys like Cole, Ryans, Herm, BC and Vick. They need to figure out if Maklin is worth bringing back.
I do not believe they are in full blown rebuilding mode on both sides of the ball. But…. we will need most of this season to figure that out.
How would you feel is the Eagles landed Bryd as a FA, grabbed a CB in round 1, resigned Maklin and found a steal of a NT in round 3? Then they used the rest of their picks to provide depth for this team. I for one think THAT team could do something.
That could all happen, but Safety J Byrd is damaged goods with Foot Problems that will impat his effectiveness, J Maclin has missed about a 1/3 of his NFL Games ..
I would have rather the Eagles cut the Chord with the bad fit Players as you listed above whre maybe they could have gotten some mid-Round Draft PIcks last Draft and packaged a couple of those to move up to where the Talent was (2nd & 3rd Rounds) and started with an entirely fresh clean slate of Players and yes this includes QB..
Vick is exciting but striclty short-term fix, How is the Organization going to find out if Foles is the answer or not without playing meaningful games with Starting Caliber Players (unlike the back-ups he played with last Season due to many injuries)
At the end of the Day, if Eagles go 6-10, and Vick stays Healthy and let’s say has a decent Season, what has been gained as an Organization.. Do you re-sign him to a 2-3 Year Deal at Age 34 to a Big Contract, Do you then wait to play Foles next Season to see what he has, do you use a 1st Round Draft Pick to Draft and Develop a QB which will take another Season or 2 to find out if that Draft Pick is going to pan out. Jelly Kelly is trying to take a Short-Cut to make the Eagles competitive and fun to watch in his First Year as HC and I can understand and respect that.. but the Eagles are not just a few pieces away.. The need another 10-12 Players with more Talent on this Roster that fit his Schemes better.. I just thought that year 1 was the best time to do this where he would have been given enough rope to see this thru, and get a Roster full of his type of Players
Too many debbie downers on here. I am looking forward to a good game. The Eagles can score fast and we are playing a D that is not playing well at all (yet). Manning might be the best QB of all time but I still say we have beaten him before we can do it again. Lets go birds.
Im a Reggie Realistic Stevo….It could be an entertaining game but Honestly Im thinking a 20 pointer. Ill be happy if we win but there are no moral victories in the NFL so its just win. I cant say I see it though.
X…i hear ya but if they get to manning.. anything is possible. I think the O looks crisp on sunday.