We are in trouble. Beyond how the 2013 season plays out, the Eagles will be trapped with their future at the quarterback position. No answers only bigger questions. I fear the unthinkable and prepare for the inevitable. All of the scenarios and calculated probabilities, the answer continues to haunt my conscious.
Our week 8 starter is Vick, until he re-injures the hamstring or injures something else. Foles will see the playing field again this season. The chances are good that Barkley also sees game action. Of course it matters who starts; but in the end, neither of these two “back-ups” are our QB of the future.
Vick is who he is. He also provides the best option for what Kelly needs to run his style of offense. Vick is getting up there in age, an injury magnet and declining skill-set. Foles has the mind-set to be good, but lacks the skill-set to become good. Barkley was a wasted fourth round pick. When the Eagles win their sixth game of the season, they will put themselves out of the running for one of the top college quarterbacks.
The Eagles could be bad but not bad enough. We could win the NFC East and be in a similar position to draft a quarterback as being 6-10. Sure it would be much easier to trade up in the first round at 6-10, but with so many other vacancies needing to be filled, I don’t see us going in that direction.
Every week is a storyline, a “to be determined” of Chip Kelly’s inaugural season. I don’t get overwhelmed. I refuse to become inpatient, and instead find myself experiencing football in addition to being an Eagles fan.
I trust that Chip Kelly is enduring the learning curves needed to make us contenders again and eventually Super Bowl Champions. He has to have a name or two that is outside the top “5” when it comes to the 2014 quarterback class. Kelly can’t afford to be anything but “spot on” with whom he envisions as the future quarterback for this team. You see the setback teams ensure when failing at selecting the franchise quarterback.
Chip’s job is not to be a statistic in the franchise decimating category. His career with the Eagles will be defined by the starting quarterback he drafts to start the 2014 season.
How do we know that the QB isn’t on this team? We have a QB who hasn’t played enough games to count on both hands, and a guy who’s played 7 minutes of everyone else is dead get your helmet on and get in there football. Now to the draft, there are a lot of teams that need a QB that are ahead of us in draft position, and a lot of underclassmen QB that haven’t even declared for the draft. That’s going to leave slim pickings. The truth is that the QB for next year is on this team. After that nobody knows, but hey lets win know and not evaluate what we have. Lets draft a QB with the 1st pick instead of filling other holes on the team. Lets draft a player at a position that has a high rate of failure that can set a team back for decades before we properly evaluate what we already have. Makes sense!
Of course qb has a high rate of failure, it’s essentially the most important position to a team. With that said, Vick gets hurt, talent aside and he has done a “better job” this year, he gets hurt. Foles is limited, we need “endless potential” for Chip Kelly to mold. Barkley is a poor mans version of AJ Feeley. I know we need a big WR, a stud LB, CB, S and probably help to the o-line with how hermanns has looked. Chip needs the guy to run his “full” system, not pieces, not most parts, his entire thing. We need a QB next year, not an extension for Vick, not a full year with Foles. This dividing block of loyalty for Foles reminds me of rooting for the good guy, the underacheiver. There is a reason he was drafted in the 3rd round. He does some nice things, but nice will not allow Kelly to do what he needs to do. Vick offers more, but he gets injured, always and often, and looks for the big play often. The QB is simply not on this roster.
I agree that Michael Vick is not the answer. We already know what he can do and they will not be winning the super bowl with him. I believe we should be starting Barkley or Foles and seeing what they can do. It can go one of two ways. Say they start Barkley or Foles the remainder of the season and shows steady and consistent improvement and development…maybe he could be the future. Maybe, instead of blowing the draft pick on another qb you use it to build around what you have. If they stink at least you know and perhaps secure a solid draft pick to get one of those top qbs. I simply don’t agree with people who feel squeaking into the playoffs and getting knocked out in the first round is a goood thing. Then again I felt we should have rode with Kolb all of 2010 for better or worse. If he stunk, which most likely he would have, we might have lined ourselves up to get Andrew Luck or RG3. Instead we’ve settled for three years of mediocrity with a has been/never was Michael Vick.
Mike Vick is the answer for this year and next! This team has to many holes to take a desperation shot on a QB in the first round that’s not a sure fire franchise QB. The Eagles will be smart they will improve the defense, the wide receivers, and pick up some o line help
Mike Vick was 3-7 last year and 1-3 this year as a starter.
The only “desperation shot on a QB” is the desperate belief that this will somehow magically change for the former superstar.
Vinnie, yes, yes, yes,. Well said…
Vick is the answer how many games koolbreeze? Let’s set the over-under for 12, and at this point of his career, I’ll take the under. There is a reason Vick does auto insurance commercials and not for “The Michael Vick Experience.” His abilities have declined, they will continue to decline. He is what he is, does some really nice things and can throw 70 yards with the flick of a wrist. This is not enought o win championships, games of course, but not make the needed throw, carry us that last drive, that’s not his game.
As many as he can strap the Helmet on Jeff. See Jeff he has had bad receivers, awful offensive lines and most of all bad coaches his entire career. In fact he has been the victim of random footballs actually pusing themselves from his fingers his entire career. No excuses just truth. See Jeff it’s not about winning the superbowl or even having a winning record. It’s about securing Vick a starting Job for years to come. Read the other threads Jeff, there are good reasons why Vicks trophy case is empty. None of those reasons are his fault either.
So much love for Vick. I like the guy…. you make it sound like him not sliding, holding on to the ball longer then any other QB in the league is the fault of players around him. I’m NOT a MCNABB fan, but he had awful WR’s and did a nice job with them. Vick’s an athlete who plays QB, not a great QB who is also an athlets. He is the best we have, but he isn’t even a top 15 QB in this league.
Lol well look through the postings Jeff THE CULT OF VICK gives all those excuses. Top 15 my Arse..hes bottom 7
Jeff, Mike Vick has demonstrated that in Chip Kelly’s offense he can be very effective throwing the ball and helping to open up running lanes for one of the very best running backs in the league…Shady McCoy! You like others continue to have a one-dimensional view of Vick that demands that he be superman. In this offense, if the offensive line and the defensive plays to its capability (it has NOT has of yet)…Mike Vick can lead this team to the playoffs and a championship.
In this offense, Mike Vick has made good decisions, his turnovers are down…if he continues to play in the consistent way he has under Kelly…with the other factors that I have mentioned..we will win the division!
Lots of Games to Play out.. The Eagles QB situation is not as Dire as Jeff suggests that it is … Vick has played pretty well up until his Injury, not great, but has protected the ball well enough and moved the Team Offense to win Games..
Foles has had 1 bad game (and it was Terrible one no doubt) but lets see how he responds and bounces back for he’s played what 8-9 Games in the NFL…(Hell, Geno Smith has played 7 NFL games already.. )
Barkely is a 2-3 Year Project, we already know that….
There are many other Teams with bigger Questions at QB than the Eagles
Chip Kelly is trying to win as many Games in 2013 and trying to make the Playoffs, He and the Organization will worry about the 2014 QB position after the 2013 Season is over just like the Jaguars, TB Bucs,Cardinals,Vikings,Raiders,Texans,Browns, Bears (if Cutler leaves), Jets (if Geno Smith struggles the 2nd half of Season) Steelers (if Big-Ben gets Hurt) and many other Teams ….
Lets wait to Dec/January after this Season is in the Books and then everyone can truly assess the QB position.. I still say the Eagles can Win with both Vick or Foles with some better Receivers, Better OL and a better Defense but you could say that about many Teams.. If only we had this player or that player.. It comes down to Coaching, Game planning and Execution and I am inteested to see how Kelly handles his first big Test this week in devisiing a Game-plan that is not going to rely on the Read-Option as it foundation. If he does with only an 85% Healthy Vick, then Kelly is not cut out to be a Winning NFL Coach in my opinion.. I remember him stating many times that he will adjust his “Game Plans” to his Roster and his Players Abilities, so lets see him back this up thuis Week in the most Critical Game of the Season and a must win over the Giants if the Eagles expect to remain the NFC Playoff Chase
The Eagles are in a desperate place as far as the most important position on the field goes.
Paul, you state that they can win with Vick or Foles with new weapons etc.
Except for Vick to be back next year with those new weapons, that will take (at least) a 3 year deal with at least 30 mil guaranteed. That leave that POS at the helm for at least 2 seasons. That’s at least 2 more years of bumbling around the league and watching the mini-man get scraped off the carpet every 3rd play.
The “can win with Foles” if only…arguement is also flawed. No one has any idea what Foles is because he is not being given the opportunity to play because Kelly seems to agree with TSJohnson that watching MV&wins run around and break thinks is a winning formula in the NFL (it isn’t)
We are going to end the year EXACTLY where we were last year.
Knowlwdge that Vick will not lead the team anywhere, though he’ll still be seen as the “Best Option to WIN NOW!”
Foles will still be exactly what we thought last year, a kid that has flashed some potential, but has also had some problems.
Barkley – a complete unknown.
Because of this completely flawed “win now” garbage…with seemingly no long term vision, the Eagles will be EXACTLY where they were at the end of last season.
That is, in my opinion, completely unacceptable.
I disagree 100% Vinnie
Vick is not in aposition of leverage at this stage of his Career to demand a 3 Year $30 Million Guaranteed Deal from the Eagles or anyone else.. Your Crazy if you believe this..
If he Plays well and Eagles compete for a Playoff Spot down the stretch, he will most likely get 2 Year Offer and $7.5- $8 Million per Season..
If he only plays Average or worse, then his Eagle Career is over..
I agree with Paulman. No need to press the panic button. Do you see the Jets D-line? You can win games in this league with great defense up front but you need studs. Our offense can be highly effective with Vick as the vetern starter and a young QB grooming in the wings. The prob with Vick is he will get hurt and that backups needs to be able to play. That still may be Foles but right now IDK. Stock up on other positions so when we do get our QB in 2014 or 2015 he can step in and not be pressured to score 30 points a game.
Another issue with the “if the eagles just get better weapons” then Vick will be ok is that it takes 2 seasons (and often 3) before a WR can really make an impact in the NFL.
I do think that the Birds should draft a WR early next year, but he, and other young O players like Ertz should be playing with young QB to develop chemistry over the following 3 years.
Developing (struggling with) WRs with Vick at the helm for the next 2 seasons, then finally making the switch to a new Qb, who will then struggle himself…..fantastic idea.
Lets pust that window for success another 3 or 4 seasons down the road. Everyone is patient.
Agree completely. The core is D-Jax, McCoy and Ertz. I see the Eagles bringing Maclin back on a 1yr deal with incentive loaded for him being able to contribute. We will draft a big WR, maybe even take a shot at a Kenny Britt or Eric Decker. I don’t get this belief in Vick. We have such a short leash for so many other players, but because Vick was the guy that wowed us in ATL, had six games that were FF pay-day and 100mil check pay-day, that was years ago already. New QB for 2014, it’s what is need, no option, and Kelly shows his ability to scour from the college ranks, that’s where he came from, he should know his stuff.
Maclin needs to go. We need bigger, more talented receivers. People get amnesia, just because we don’t have a threat on the other side. Remember all of the alligator arms? Remember the catch & falls to the ground? Remember the lack of YAC? Remember the get hurt, after everytime someone breaths o him? Maclin another failed Hindenburg/ Weaselman high draft pick, that is to small, & underachieving. No thanks. Good bye!
Maclin is a goner in Free-Agency to the Rams ort CHiefs..
I’ve stated this for 2 Years and stand by it unless the Eagles knock him out with a bigger Offer than what his Market Value will bring him due to injuries and many missed games in his 4 Year Career..
vinnie- I agree here. We have weapons… thats not the issue. This team has the ability to score points… and has. The question is not about the O… its about the D.
as the newly elected president of the vick fan club i must add that 3 yr at 30 million is too low!!!! my messiah is a top 5 qb and should be paid as such!
i also want to state that declaring foles a complete failure after 1 start is really really premature– even my guy had a couple of stinkers in his first couple of years…. but he overcame them to be the second greatest qb of this generation! All of the stud qb’s in the league have had them– so as philly fans i know we jump on and off the bandwagon rather quickly– we may hear from foles again
some who were pro foles are now anti, some cautiously optimistic fans are now 100% pessimistic and those against him in the beginning now say ‘see i told you so–
lets let it play out!
Its asinine Haveacigar…And to go against your recent brainwashing we gain nothing playing the never was superstar. Might I add since you have Joined the Cult of Vick I have found your postings amusing…Again 8 games it’s over for Foles 11.5 years of nothing still keeps rolling.
Here’s some Stats of the Eagle’s Offense after 7 Games (even after last weeks pbrutal performance)
Total Offense
#2 Overall (Out of 32 Teams) 425 Yards per Game
#8 Overall in Points Scored 24 Pts per Game
Still have a +1 in the Give/Take Category
I am not saying that VIck or Foles are playing at a All-Pro Level for clearly they are not, but I am saying that the QB Position is not in as “Dire Shape” as this Article or other Posters state that it is ….
The Numbers abover speak for themselves, have there been blown opportunities, bad desicions and some crappy QB play on occassion’s, sure there has as there is with every team over a course of a Season
You guys need to relax and let the Season play out a bit and stop being such bandwagon fans after a good performance or jumping off a bridge after a bad performance, but this is usually what happens with today’s Fans who are fickle as they come.. It’s Football, it’s 16 Games, It’s a Brand New Coach and System, Eagles using a 12 Year QB with a 2nd Year QB… It is what it is..
All I am saying is that Eagles have 4-5 Other Positions to address regardless of who is playing QB like at the WR, OL, DE, CB & Safety Positions
If Joe Montana was QB with this 2013 Team, he would have 3-4 Wins also
Paulman your exactly right. We have the best RB in the NFL a top 5 receiver, A top 5 offense with Vick/Foles. Theres 15 teams in the NFL with a worst QB situation.
Agreed. This team needs WR, LB, DE, S, CB..
Foles or Vick having 1 bad game does not mean they are the weakest positions on this team.
Zuk, in order of dire need, I would go 2 safeties, CB, WR, NT, 2 LB’s, QB, DE, O-line depth. Williams, Chung, Allen, Cole, Graham, Sopoaga, Maclin, Cooper, Vick, Herremans, & Celek, all need to go. They must sign in FA-
FS Jairus Byrd, SS Donte Whitner, CB Brandon Browner, OLB Brian Orakpo, NT Paul Soliai.
Paul- dont use stats.. it just confuses him.
My friends…. think about this…. If Foles had not stunk up the join on Sunday we would have won that game. If the D had not stunk up the join against SD we would have won that game.
Thats 2 wins!! DOnt get me wrong- this team is not yet good. The O and D and Special teams are having their set of problems but lets be real…..
If the eagles went out and landed a legit WR to go along side Djax.
If the eagles landed a starting FS in FA
If the eagles landed another CB, LB, DT in the draft…not stars but guys that can help…. this TEAM is good enough to win the Div and make a run in the 2014-2015 playoffs.
I know….. its a “what if”…. but whats easier….
Landing Drew Brees, Payton Manning, Tom Brady with the 15th pick in the draft… or… building our TEAM piece by piece and seeing what the TEAM can do?
To argue Foles isn’t the future based on 1 bad game over 7 career starts is absolutely ludicrous to me. I’m deeply annoyed by the way this city gives up on players so fast.
If you look at the numbers Foles has had a better start to his career than Andrew Luck & Many MANY other Top QB’s out there. Foles just needs a REAL chance.
zukny- I would agree with you.
We didn’t give up on he needs to worry about his team mates giving up on him. Our opinions mean nothing to the players. What I saw was Cooper, Avant DJax and Celek throwing there hands up all game long saying WTF. That’s who Foles needs to worry about. His team mates not the fans.
When the best RB in the NFL and one of the top 5 WR in the NFL are frustrated with a QB with no clout there will be a problem. Like it or not if McCoy and DJax have a problem with Foles they carry a helluva lot of weight in that locker room and around the NFL. I have NEVER seen the receivers throw there hands up in disgust when Vick is missing them.and we have all seen Vick be terrible. It just don’t happen. . ,
This happens a lot w/ young QBs. Fact is, those guys expected more out of Foles last weekend. I personally believe Foles can win them back by playing on the field again. Those guys will fight for him if he is back out there again.
Well said Dag. It’s not the fans Foles has to worry about. It’s the guys in the locker room…and they were none to pleased. Rightfully so though…the All-22 was pretty damning.
I don’t think you write him off. And I thinkt he Giants game would have been ideal in helping right his way. Unfortunately the concussion has prevented that.
It’s Philly for you Zukny on both sides of the specturm
A player has a couple of good games (Foles, Bryce Brown last Season,
Jamar Cheney a couple of years back) and everyone including the media goes Ga-Ga over them..
and then when a player has a bad game or 2 or season, then he’s garbage,trash and not worthy… You live long enough, you learn to take a lot of these Criticism and Overrating/Hyping up Players and Teams for what’s it’s worth, with is a grain of salt and actually shows the ignorance of how many Fans truly are not very educated about their Sports, their Teams and levels of Competition in the various Leagues that they Follow
soo sooo true.
Zukny…. Foles played vs 2 teams that had yet to win a game. Whether the talent was good or bad, that innability to win a agme plays on your psyche. I don’t think Foles is a bad QB, but he can’t run the read-option. He can’t but time with his legs. He has a good but not great arm. He could certainly do what Alex SMith is doing for KC this year or what Johnson did for the Bucs when they won, but thats not how the Eagles are put together. Kelly runs things differently, he won’t have that ability to fully run the system with Foles, there is no getting around that.
If that is your opinion. Then the Eagles should just drop him. He has no trade value right now and clearly your argument shows he isn’t good in this offense.
Means he has absolutely no value to this team.
Hahaha. Did you see DJax, Cooper, McCoy throw there hands up all over the field and looking at Foles. Theres no way in hell the rest of the Eagles offense stays quiet while Foles “finds his way”. They don’t stay quiet while Foles “develops”. After breaking down the film on Birds 24/7 DJax had 180 yards and 3 tds running wide open all game vs the Giants and was very demonstrative in his displeasure along with Cooper who had multiple opportunities to make plays. Foles has warranted another shot no doubt but to suggest this team will sit idle and allow Foles to develop is ludicrous. That isn’t happening. I understand its not fair b/c Vick struggles himself at times but Foles gets nowhere near the respect and lead way Vick gets. Not saying its right it is what it is.
Oh I saw it.
But unlike you I don’t find it all that funny. I found it pretty despicable to watch 2011 quitter Mesean return.
You love that shit I’m sure. Point the fingers at the problem. Its was all successful players/teams do!!
Doing the exact opposite he should have been doing. Him and Lesean standing off to the side bitching to each other. Nice.
I told you all before I would have shipped that cancer off the reservation along with his buddy Vick long ago.
That kind of behavior is cancerous to developing a young team. And I’m souring on Lesean too.
Dez Bryant does it every week guess the Cowboys should release him to. Maybe you should call Lurie and tell him you don’t like DJax and McCoys attitude and they should be released.
Receivers throw their hands up all the time, made up issue
They signed the wrong Jackson. VJax should have been signed instead. Said it then, & I’ll say it again. Although I like DJax, he is a one trick pony, plays Houdini, in long stretches, & he quit on the team 2 years ago, & should have gotten his walking papers.
VJax- 5 years- $55M. 30 years old, 6’5″- 250 lb, beast.
DJax- 5 years- $51M. 26 years old, 5’9″- 170 lb, one trick pony, quitter.
Another mistake, in a long line of cluster-f^#@s, by Weaselman/ Hindenburg.
AGREED WHOLE HEARTEDLY DCAR.
Dcar I know you aren’t a Reid fan but seriously Im thinking this was more of a personell F-up than anything. Also the d-coordinator thing too…But that still goes back to Howie needing to put his foot down. Andy is just coaching In KC look what is going on. We get stuck with worthless Howie and Chip Lombardi…..60 yard field goal with 14 seconds left GENIUS.
The Hindenburg inherited a pretty good DF, & solid nucleus, just as he did, when he took the job here. He’s the ultimate, snake oil saleman. I’m glad that fat, enabling, condescending, arrogant, incompetent, dick is gone! Limp wrist Lurie made a huge mistake keeping Weaselman, & not giving the keys to Gamble. And if what Kelly says, about him having final say on ALL roster, & coaching decisions, that’s even worse! SMFH!
Give it a f&$king break. The f&$king guy is top 3 in NFL in recieving is about to go to 3rd pro bowl in 6 years and all you can say is ™they signed the wron Jackson™. WTF.
Try using your little peanut of a brain. Read again. If you’d rather have DJax, than VJax, you are a retard, & know nothing about football! What does this team lack? A big, strong, talented receiver. One trick ponies like DJax, are a lot easier to find. On top of it, he’s a quitter. That’s not even up for debate. I don’t give a rats @$$ how many bogus Pro-bowls he goes to!
FACTS- He’s small. Injury prone. A quitter. Disappears for long stretches. Quits on routes. Is a one trick pony. Overpaid with a non-warranted contract.
You are right in your assessment. Vick get’s more respect. He has been in the league for 10 seasons and has the experiences to go along with it. Honestly, Matt Hasselback would also demand the same respect on this team. It’s not really because of Foles being good or not, it’s really because he has less experience.
I would argue in order to have kept that type of thing from happening, I would have let Vick walk after last season and put this entire season behind Nick Foles. Instead Vick is the starter and Foles / Barkley will be unknowns into the great beyond.
You ever see Larry Fitzgerald pulling that “woe is me” bullshit routine? And look at what he’s had to suffer through at QB the past 5 years.
Mesean is a “me first – punch the chest – look at me” player and so is his best friend MV7wins.
The sooner those kind of players are outta here, the better off the team will be.
No Fitzgerald doesn’t do that. Everyone is different. But for every Fitzgerald, Rice and Megatron I will give you TO, Michael Irvin and Ochocino. So whats your point?
TO changed a lot to stay in the league his last 5 seasons and Ochocinco pushed himself out of the league.
Also note: Fitz, Megatron & Rice are the best to play the game and TO (the best of the 3 you noted) couldn’t even hold their jockstrap.
And they all throw their hands up
lol- no- Fitz does not do that… he just pics the qb he wants and makes the owner/coach go get him. It was Fitz who demanded your poster boy dont forget.
As quiet as it is kept Fitzgerald has complained about his QB and openly lobbied for Kevin Kolb to go to the Cardinals while the Cardinals already had a QB, although the QB was a bum. We sometimes get smitten with other teams players and refuse to appreciate ours. After all, how many superbowls does Calvin Johnson and Megatron have all together? The same as D JAX 0.
That’s the main problem with the eagles vinnie, this is the type of players ownership bought in, especially with Vick, desean Jackson and McCoy, these guys are the ultimate what about me guys, they may say things differently, but their on field antics, gestures, body language, tells you what they are
Vick says he”loves” foles, then foles out there as though he’s never played, and there’s Vick standing by himself
With djax, someone needs to punch him out for his gestures, etc, I didn’t see it from McCoy on the field, but I did see him sitting and apparently commiserating with Jackson, two little punks
Didn’t see it from cooper, saw some of it from celek, frustration, but no pussy pouting
This is all born of the decision to bring Vick back, all these problems with leadership, it was evident on Sunday, and chip Kelly will never make it with Vick on this team
on WIP I heard McCoy own up and say he was being selfish out there. Sometimes these players are always looking for the “big play” and not the team play. That’s what kept this team from winning last season and it seemed to be part of the reason for the play on Sunday.
Chip is teaching these guys to be team guys, but it’s taking some time.
I obviously didn’t hear the WIP, and if he did then that’s a step in the right direction.
But mesean…we saw him uit in 2011 when things weren’t going his way…and here he is again quitting the moment things are going badly again. Can’t win with guys like that.
Agreed. MeSean didn’t get his nickname from nowhere. He was the same “look at me” guy in College.
I also saw it the week before in TB. On Mesean’s post route for a TD. There were 2 other WRs that immediately ran up to him to congratulate and he ran away and put on a show. It wasn’t an impromptu thing – he ran away from his teammates to ensure the cameras were on him.
I hate that shit. When things go well its all about him, when things go bad, its all about someone else.
And Vick….press conference, “I love Foles – I’m there for him” then during the game and kid is struggling and every time we see the sidelines its Foles, Barkley and the QB coach huddling with Vick wandering around alone.
I agree completely this is another reason it was a mistake to brink Vick back. You cannot turn the page, and this team has to turn the page with him around, because his two lapdogs (lol) drool over his every move.
Why don’t you stop acting like you can read body language. Mike Vick was supposed to rescue your savior by being in the huddle? Having a dual press conference wasn’t good enough for you? What other starting qb would do that? You get even more pathetic with your excuses for hating him, and blaming him for everything.
YOU hate the guy. His teammates don’t, which is why he won the Ed Block award from his teammates.
LOL
I one sentence you say I can’t read body language (out in the open and easy to see) and then in the next sentence you say Vick’s teammates love him….and you know this because…..oh, that’s right…you are a mind reader.
So everyone got this. I cannot read body language which is out in the open for everyone to see, but Skayne can read the minds of the 60 odd players on the Birds.
Congrats Skayne. That’s quite the power you have. Hope you put it to good use.
Look, I will give you this…its very clear that the quitter Mesean does love your chest thumping hero MV7wins.
And it’s the main reason why most of those not named Vinnie have no credibility when it comes to Vick. How can any reasonable person not see his postings as obsessive hate? You agree with an asshole like him; you’re not much different in my book.
Mike Vick has the confidence of his teammates who saw Foles choke up in the big moment. Foles is at best a backup. His teammates saw his choke job and are anxious to get Vick back on the field! So matter what the way Vick haters say with the endless regurgitation of irrelevant statistical data… Vick is the undisputed leader of the team! Chip Kelly knows all of this to well…. So you might as well get used to it…Mike Vick is the QB of this team and will be in the future too!
If he’s the leader of that group of pussies, then whoop-de-freekin do.
Which teammates…DeSean Jackson…the same guy who quit on his team when he wasn’t getting paid?
Jeff, that was the best, most accurate article written ANYWHERE, on our situation. Both sides of the QB controversy need to read up! This has been what I’ve been saying ALL year.
He didn’t right anything good in this article.
People write shit all the time, ignoring what’s going around them, ignoring conflicting data, to go along with preconceived notions.
The Seahawks were 7-9 2 years ago. Still got their qb of the future. They also didn’t hand him the job, he had to earn it, and won it.
49ers didn’t get their qb high in the draft. They also kept Smith, even after he stunk up the joint his entire career. And when Kapernick got his chance, he cashed in against a top defense.
I look around the league tons of teams finding good qbs without tanking, and competing to win at all times. The top teams in the NFC got their Qbs without tanking, without drafting high, and all people here want to do is lose to get a high draft pick.
Don’t be butthurt, because he didn’t give a thumbs up, to your idol being the future QB. Try being a little less biased, & transparent. It’s getting nauseating already. His article, was perfectly written. We DO NOT, have a future QB on this team, that is going to take us places. Until you get over your idol worship. you will NEVER GET IT! You aren’t an Eagles fan, you are a Vick fan 1st. Just admit it.
Alex smith wasn’t stinking up the place the 2 years before…but rewrite history Skayne. If I saw Foles and Barkley and they stunk the rest of the year I could 100% agree with Jeff. We arent though we are getting the tired Vick who we all KNOW isn’t the future…Ive been arguing that for 2 years now…I wanna see if Foles can bounce back, he should have the chance. I would love to save that 1st rounder next year for defense. But well see.
You two try being less biased and transparent. The top teams in this conference didn’t do what you idiots want, yet tanking is still your preferred method.
You Vick haters are too stupid to realize that getting rid of a vet qb in order to hand the job to an unknown quantity was already done by this franchise.
So you got Kolb, and ended up with the Great Satan-Mike Vick.
Yet cuz your hate makes you stupid, you want to do it all over again.
Some people never learn.
Again, your stupidity, ignorance, & lack of reading comprehension skills, come bubbling to the top. Where did I say I want them to tank? Nowhere! Where am I biased? Nowhere, I don’t like any of our QB’s! Because I think Vick sucks as a QB, doesn’t make me hate him, you jack@$$, Vick slurping imbecile! Don’t you get it you idiot! We were rebuilding coming into the season. Vick should have never been brought back, & they should have signed impact free agents, & drafted for need, in a high quality defensive draft! WTF, are you spewing fool? This year is a wasted year, with false, stupid hopes, when everyone knew they weren’t going anywhere. For Kelly to go into the season with this $#!t team, & bring back Vick, was asinine. If you are rebuilding, you rebuild.
If I can’t read the bullshit drivel you put out, it’s cuz you’re too retarded to write a post without a million fucking symbols.
No year is a wasted year. Because you’re retarded, you continue to ignore that the top teams didn’t go rebuilding. Loser fans, and loser franchises, rebuild. Good franchises reload. They compete to win at all times, and put the best product on the field.
It’s a wasted year for you, cuz you’re a fraud fan, expecting his team to lose and wanting everyone else to feel like your fraud ass.
Everything you write is stupidity. VJax over over Djax? You prove how much of an idiot you are.
Last year was wasted for the Eagles. Starting when Reid’s son died at the training camp….and going through the firing of Castillo and Washburn. Last season was a waste by so many measurements.
Calling me retarded? LOL! You are one the biggest imbeciles on here chump. Everything out of your mouth is diarrhea, nonsense, & fact-less opinion. Weren’t we losers the last 2-3 years, in a dire need of a rebuild? Are you totally brain damaged? We did the beginnings of a rebuild, you nitwit. We just did it with more bad transactions. Yes, VJax was & is better than DJax, know-nothing dope. You are trying to tell me, that it’s easier to find a WR like VJax, than one trick ponies like DJax. If you think he is both better than VJax, & is irreplaceable, you are retarded.
I don’t believe it’s ever a good strategy to give anything less than 100% effort to winning. It’s so hard to change a team culture of losing.
I also believe the head coach should know what personnel he needs to win and he should be given the resources to get that personnel.
If Kelly thinks the QB of the future is in this draft he should put together a package of draft picks and move up to get the guy he wants. You don’t have to tank games to get what you want – the Redskins did it….
My post was just a comment DCar – it’s not aimed at you…. I know you didn’t suggest tanking…lol
Thanks. At least someone knows how to read & comprehend. SMH…
And Skayne knows all this because he can read minds. Brilliant.
“ALL year” except when you were ‘cautiously optimistic’ about foles after a good performance or two….
Hey havenoballs, go back in your hole, under your rock, with the rest of the vermin! You know-nothing, delusional, irrational, wish washy, nut-job! Keep your little digs to yourself. Nobody cares, what your trolling, imbecilic @$$ has to say! Go back to enjoying your perfect, pristine family, in your retired coaching/ referee life. Wack job.
Negative nitwit… Predict doom and gloom, see a little light become super fan, a bad game and it’s ‘as I predicted’ … At least Paul gets it that he takes all sides of every argument
Let me ask you something troll, haven’t I said all year, that we don’t have a future QB, to take to the SB, on this roster? Yes. Did I say I was Cautiously optimistic? Yes. What does that have to do, with me still thinking we don’t have a future QB on this roster? Means I was surprised he was able to play that good in 2 straight games, but wasn’t convinced. WTF is so hard to grasp, you jackass? Stop trolling, & go back in your slime riddled cave!
Another idiotic thread, is the QB of the future on the Patriots or Broncos rosters? I get it this sparks conversation but dammit worry about next year when it gets here, just more crap to get Vinnie and crew up in arms about nothing, just curious where has Regal been after that dud of a performance by his boy Nick?
We all know the QB of the “Future” is not on this team, so we need to focus on the now.
Vick is the QB of now who the team can build around until the young guy with similar skill set along with height is brought on in the coming draft or draft afterwards.
The great thing about the Eagles is that Chip Kelly came into the league with the perfect QB to transition into the league with so when that young guy do come along, he’ll just step into a well functioning machine.
It would have been a tougher transition if he would have inherited a team with the traditional, non athletic QB or he may have not taken the job all together.
At least we get a glance with Vick and Chip Kelly to see his offense succeed in the NFL.
Now, how long Vick is an Eagle depends on Vick.
If he’s lights out and lead this team to the playoff then there’s no doubt the Eagles will work out a comfortable deal to keep while Chip groom his guy in the future similar to how the 49ers used Alex Smith until Kap was good to go.
We have a lot of football left for this season and I’m excited about our chances of winning this division now that the defense is coming along.
Go Vick!
Go Eagles!!!
Glad to see you think “our” team was going to win the division…..were you talking about “your” Redskins you fraud? You posted more on the 3 days after the Eagles lose to the Cowboys then you did the previous 9 months after you declared your devotion to the Redskin’s and RGIII……why is that FraudSongs? Becuase you aren’t a fan of the Eagles at all….never were….you are a fan of a certain QB and you wanted to gloat because the teams other QB choked. Well go back into your hole you LOSER. You are not a fan of this team and quit TROLLING the site to act like an asshole.
It’s obvious that the folks carrying Vick’s torch on this website are Vick fans first…Eagles fans second. There isn’t a GM in this league…not one…who would say “let’s sign an aging, injury prone, below average quarterback and build around him”. It’s so idiotic and absurd I can’t even believe I’m reading it. The Eagles had two straight, and theyre working on three straight, below average seasons and the primary reason for it is poor play at the quarterback position. Go ahead blame the defense…Kurt Warner’s Rams teams had some of the worst defenses in the NFL when he was orchestrating the greatest show on turf. Peyton Manning led a Colts team, that pretty much had a horrible defense every year, to winning records every year he was there except his rookie year. It’s pointless to debate because the fanboys would pull excuses out of thin air when it comes to Mike Vick. It’s laughable and pathetic. They’re only response is that the realists “love loser Foles and loser Barkley.” No…we just think seeing what we have in two young players rather than wasting another season watching this joke of team perfrom is the better deal. Have a lovely day.
MikeD16 telling it like it really is… Nice Job Mike, keep up the good work..
Thats bullshit! There aint anyone on these boards that’s a bigger Eagles fan than me!
So how exactly do young quarterbacks become ready? Sitting on the sidelines watching someone else? I disagree. They need to play…and know that when they do they can just go out there and sling it not worrying about some has been never was taking their job the minute they make a mistake or have a bad game. Every rookie regardless of the round they are selected screws up…but you have to let them learn through experience. There is nothing to learn when it comes to Vick…it will be more of the same with him. Vick won the job huh? That’s impressive…and since then what’s he done…go 1 and 3? Mediocre stats at best? Odds are Kelly will start Vick…and I can’t wait to hear the excuses when this season ends in failure also.
See Aaron Rogers
Again, Barkley shouldn’t even be in the conversation, he’s not ready…put him out there and he’ll be shell shocked, may not be able to recover…few more performances like he had on Sunday and his confidence will be shot…
As for Nick Foles…Chip Kelly made the decision on who the QB will be during training camp…you must of missed that news just like you girlfriend Vinnie must have, cuz he shouldn’t be here, as a result….
What many of us are doing is backing a player who we thought would win the QB job while backing the coaches decision of naming the QB….
Because we don’t agree with you, we’re not Eagles fans? if so that logic is flawed…
MikeD16 The 1999 the year they won the superbowl Rams were ranked 4th in points and 6th in yards given up so that’s more than no defense pal. On top of that why is Vick being compared to Peyton Manning?
In 2000 and 2001 the Rams had one of the worst defenses in the league yet the Rams still had winning seasons and made another Super Bowl appearance. I’m not comparing Vick to Peyton Manning as there is no comparison. There are many people here, yourself included I’m sure, he blame the defense for Vicks poor record here as a starter. I used Warner and Manning as two examples of quarterbacks playing on teams with bad defenses and still being successful. Their defenses gave up points…but their offenses piled on points non stop. Your other point about Aaron Rodgers…he was sitting behing a sure fire hall of famer who was still leading to the playoffs every year. Again, Vick is not a hall of famer or even close to being Brett Favres class. His record the last 3 years also does nothing to demonstrate that he brings that much more to the table than Foles or Barkley would. Have a nice day.
LOL..the Vick haters need to take up their gripes with Chip Kelly. Mad, grumbling and upset…they would rather see the Eagles tank the season, give up games and quit as opposed to seeing the Vick do well and contribute to the team winning. The bottom line is that football is a team sport…the offensive line has to play better, the receivers have to get open, the running backs have to play well, the defensive has to improve and special teams have to contribute. If these other factors come into play…the Quarterback-Mike Vick- is good enough to lead the team into a successful season.
I predict that this is what will happen…the Eagles offensive line will jell and the running game will become dominant with Shady McCoy…once this happens it will make the passing game much easier and Vick will pick teams apart. The defense is getting better…if they continue to give us efforts like they did on Sunday…we will win the division. Making the playoffs after such a dismal season last year is quite an accomplishment…enough of an accomplishment to resign Mike Vick as QB of the team!
koolbreeze, Even after Foles’ poor performance last week, it’s very unclear which QB gives the Eagles the best chance of winning – even to Kelly.
I can totally understand fans wanting any QB other than Vick…. Vick is the only QB on the Eagles roster who has been given an extended opportunity to demonstrated (clearly) that he can’t win with this team. Vick is 5-10 in his last 15 starts… That’s pretty convincing to many people.
Sure Vick has had some great games, but he has had more bad games. I have no hate for Vick, and I have no love for Foles, but I think the Eagles are as good with Foles as they are with Vick. That’s not saying much, but at least with Foles there’s room for improvement. I think Vick has hit his ceiling long ago, and is in decline.
I don’t think a fan has to hate Michael Vick to feel this way.
IrishEagle, if what you say meant so much to Chip Kelly…Vick would have been cut before training camp and Foles would have been named the starter. Once again, you are going into ancient history as far as Chip Kelly is concerned. Vick was given a clean slate in this brand new offense that Chip Kelly has instituted. As a result, when Kelly looks at Vick he sees a guy who has played very well for him in camp, pre-season and the regular season games that Vick as played in for him!
The Eagles offense in the biggest game of Kelly’s short tenure here has never looked so pathetic as they did against the Cowboys. Foles got beat in training camp and he clearly choked when the spotlight was put on him. Stop looking at last year, two years ago…lets deal with the here and now! Vick has played well…Foles folded
Mike Vick is now and will be in the future the QB for the Eagles!
Q- clearly there are guys on here who will only root for the eagles if vick is not in? Is this right? I would argue that vick is the pres of that crew. Wrong?
Clearly there are guys on here who will only root for the eagles if vick IS in.. although i think this group is far smaller. I would say Songs is the pres of that group (sorry songs… you rooted for the skins… u lost us)
Then there the rest of us… who know that Vick is not a top qb but for sure the best QB on our team to run chips O.
We are open to Foles but also realize hes a third round pick from our former coach. Hes also not the kind of qb that fits the system. I for one dont support throwing away a season to see if we can build a team around him. You do that for 1st rounders, but mot 3rd rounders.
That does not mean he cant be good, and he has shown some promise… but a) hes hurt and cant play.. so why cry? b) why are you guys so attached to him? If kelly does not think he is the qb of our future…. why bother putting him in?
In summary…. this is our coach. Clearly he wants a mobile qb. I wanted sound D and a pocket passer. Thats not what we have…. why not let this coach do what he wants for a while?
*should say i would argue that Vinnie is the pres of that crew. And vinnie… i dint mean disrespect here. If im wrong about that please tell me, because this IS how it appears.
I don’t care how it appears to you. I am an Eagles fan. I haven’t missed a game in a long, long time.
I want the Eagles to win a SB before I die.
The Eagles will never win a Super Bowl with Mike Vick as the QB. He is not good enough (especially in today’s pass-mad NFL). He is inconsistent. He relies on the big play. He is a turnover machine. He gets hurt every year because he is too small.
That’s all there is to it. Nothing else.
They MAY win a SB with Foles or Barkley…I do not know. But I want to find out. Because, while QB is not the only position on the team, it is the most important position on the team (esp nowadays). Our current ‘starting qb’ is not good enough to win a SB.
Giving one of those kids a chance to grow with the other kids they drafted on O (Ertz and LJ so far – more to come next draft) is the only logical move forward at this point (should have been started 8 weeks ago)
If there are players who are going to bitch about that because they’re not showing up on ESPN catching 80 yarders as much as they used to because the ball is going to other players…then ship their selfish asses also.
If Kelly continues his ridiculous “game by game” approach without any long term vision (as it appears right now), then he is as big an idiot as the Vick ball huggers who roll in here to defend their hero every time he throws an interception.
If you honestly think Vick cannot win a Super Bowl but Foles or Barkley can you are too far gone to even have any type of civil conversation with. Barkley was a wasted pick and don’t give me that value crap and Foles is looking more and more like a serviceable back up. But sure let’s roll them out there and see what we have.
If you cannot comprehend the difference between a couple bad games over a guy’s first 7 starts and 11 years of below average mediocrity, then you are too far gone to have any type of civil conversation with.
Okay Vinnie your right one guy has played 11 years in the league but you deem him a failure the other guy can’t play more then 4 games without getting injured and probably played the worst game at QB in the last 10 years but by all means let’s keep running him out there to see if we get lucky enough that he turns into Kurt Warner or Tom Brady hey anything is possible. Oh except Vick being a capable and productive QB in Chip Kelly’s offense, you are a joke dude.
Joe Montana was a late round draft pick…guess San Fran wasted that pick too. The point is there is nothing to be gained by continuing to start Vick. Anyone with common sense can see that. If you look at his performance and record since he’s been there it’s clear that he has done nothing to earn the loyalty and adoration he receives from people like you. No one is saying Barkley or Foles are better options…but at least you figure out whether they can play or not. Barkley had better stats in college than Luck and RG3…does that mean he’s a future hall of famer no…but you’ll never find out unless he plays. Odds are Vick will not be back next year…so why is even on the team let alone starting. Another point you’ve missed. Since the San Diego game the offense, with Vick at the helm, had been trending downward consistently. Even in Giants game Vicks passing stats were horrible. Again…it’s obvious that you’re loyal to Vick no matter what and that anyone critical of him is a hater. Good for you…but you have no stats to back your argument. When this seasons ends with same results as the last two with Vick as the starter I’d love to hear what you have to say then.
You’re ridiculous even trying to mention Foles in the same breath as Montana. He has no college pedigree to even speak of.
Anyone with common sense knows neither Foles nor Barkley can play. They keep proving it with every opportunity they get…on the 1% chance that they can turn into great Qbs, you people want to throw away the playoffs, which no team ever does midseason.
The offense was trending downward with Vick? No, he just played the top defense in the league, and the Broncos in Denver, who haven’t lost in Denver in over a year.
Vick’s numbers against the best D in the league blows away Foles numbers against the Cowboys…so if you call that trending downwards, Foles numbers fell off a cliff.
The “throwing away a season” with Foles comment is a very interesting one.
One that has no merit at all.
I precludes the completely silly notion that somehow Foles= throwing away the season while Vick = “Win NOW”
How you come to this conclusion when Vick was 3-7 last year and 1-3 this year is frankly, puzzling.
Whats silly is that u continue to put entire seasons on 1 guy.
Andy Reid is gone because he did a bad job. He made the Oline cosch the dc… only after trying a few others at that spot and failed. We drafted total trash for years.
U must have forgotten nnamdi and drc and no fs.
U look silly dude.
On a defensive note…Raiders Claim LB Martez Wilson Off Waivers From The Saint…man i wish we could have had the chance to get him…I wanted us to pick him up the year he came out…oh well….
wish there were more defensive notes…considering G Cobb played defense you’d think he’d have a little more to say about the defense especially after how solid they played this weekend…but of course not….next time they play like shit, we’ll be sure to see an article on the defense
He’s a good LB from University of Illinois I believe
I had him listed in a couple of Mocks when he was coming out a couple of years ago.. I do not like Michael Kendrick’s as an ILB in this 3-4
Kendrick’s belongs on the outside as I have been saying all year
Mike d16 just asked the question I have been asking rhetorically for years now…
Why is Vick on this roster, let alone starting, keep scratching your head mike d
Its a valid question.
Love Skayne.
Earlier we found out his amazing talent to read the minds of the 60 players on the Birds…and now…
He knows the future!! I hope this helps you out with the lottery and sports gambling bui guy!
He wrote that anyone with common sense (I’m assuming he was referring to himself) can TELL that Foles ABD Barkley can’t play.
Thiws after 7 starts for one guy and 1 QUARTER for the other!!
Yet he KNOWS the future. He KNOWS they will suck. He says its obvious.
Unfortunately for Skayne, while he posesses the awesome ability to both read minds AND tell the future…..he has learned nothing from the past.
WHile he KNOWS Foles and Barkley will be shitty even though there isn’t enough evidence to determine that….he does not seem to also realize that VIck will ALSO be shitty…based on his past 11 years of being shitty.
11 years means nothing to Skayne….but 7 games does.
Right.
As for the Fading Vick…this is obvious.
VIck has had 2 6 game runs in his career when he was good.
The first run came early in his 2nd season. He was new to the league and players and coaches had never before experienced his mobility/speed etc. Soon enough there was film. Soon enough everyone got used to him. Party over.
The 2nd run came in 2010. Exact same reasons. 75% of the league had turned over since he had last played. New to speed/arm etc. He had a wonderful run. Then film. Then used to him. Party over.
I think what you have now is a min-version of the same. New scheme. Teams at the start weren’t ready for it. Washington and SD have terrible Ds, so the hype machine got rolling. Just like 2010. But now there’s film. The KC game was terrible. 13 points against Denver. Nice effort there. Couldn;t complete a pass against the giants. Inevitable decline.
You will see Vick’s interception and turnover numbers increase over the next little while to fall in line with his career averages. Everything always comes back to the mean.
But even that being said…the guy was 55% with 5 tds when he went out. Anyone calling that setting the world on fire is a little too enamored with hyperbole.
You are the one who was reading body language, not me. I don’t have to read minds to know the players support him, they voice that opinion at every turn…meanwhile you read body language in defense of the turd Foles layed on Sunday.
You only bring up stats you want to focus on, never the complete story, cuz you’re the prez of the hate Vick club.
Comp% is only one statistic factored into QB RATING- the stat combines all passing factors…which is why Vick was 10th in qb rating going into the Giants game. So ignore the overall number, in order to be the biased hater you are. Second in pass yds/att., first in explosive passing plays, those stats don’t fit your narrative.
As I said before- Vick’s numbers against the top defense and up in Denver blows Foles shit sandwich out of the water. Try again.
All players in interviews say they support the QB nimrob. Means nothing.
Look, I will give you that the quitter Mesean loves your hero, but as for everyone else, your statement is just pure mind-reading bullshit.
I doubt last year after Vick threw his linemen under the bus they were all as enamoured with him as you think.
Vick led the offense to what? 16 and 13 points vs KC and Denver. That’s the lowest total either of those teams have surrendered to anyone not named Jacksonville and Oakland
But go ahead…keep celebrating those “numbers” as you call them…that’s your perogative.
Personally, I’d like more than shit from my starting QB, but you’re good with low-level mediocrity.
Quarterback rating. LOL. Not that I care at all about that stat, but I’ll roll with it as you seem so enamoured.
Vick is 16th in QB rating.
16th.
And you celebrate!!!! And you highlight it in ALL CAPS.
16th.
In the “perfect offense” for Vick.
In his perfect offense, he’s in the bottom half of the league.
good times.
Oh, BTW, his rating is going to fade as the year progresses.
LOL LOL
QB RATING.
If you include “all players” Foles is 15th and Vick falls to 26th!!!!!!
You can’t make this shit up!!!!!!!!!!
You include all players cuz you’re an idiot…
To qualify for qb rating you have to have a minimum of attempts, simpleton.
They do that in every sport, for any overall stat because of small sample size.
You’re not that stupid are you?
Nah, you’re a hater.
I just did that because its fucking funny.
And Foles led us to 3 against the 3rd worst defense in the league.
Your defense of his garbage performance against a team Vick owns is laughable.
And I specifically said going into the Giants game. Since he hasn’t played the last 2 weeks, he’s dropped six spots.
so who is cherry picking stats now. We’ll just skip over that Giants game….’cause you know….it doesn’t look so good.
QB rating is static. If his was soooooo good, he wouldn’t worry about it “dropping” Its now like dropping in yards….of course by not playing there he’ll drop in the rankings…its more like yards/game, where he would remain relatively static.
In fact, if it was so good, playing less games would be a benefit, because once he gets back to throwing ints again (and he will) its going to drop.
He “dropped” because that 69 rating he posted against the Giants dropped him down to a total rating of 90.6…good for 16th. He dropped to 16th because of his play, not because someone below him earlier (Cutler, Dalton, Bradford etc) suddenly moved up 10 points. They stayed right where they were…he dropped.
Right now he’s 16th in the league.
Fantastic. Keep pumping up QB rating as a sign Vick is playing so well. ‘Cause its really working. 16th is great.
Hate to break it to you skayne, but Vick threw for fewer yards than any visiting QB to play against the Broncos in Denver this year. Vick also had a 49.4 QB rating vs the Chief at home. Only Blaine Gabbert has done worse against the visiting Chiefs.
Against the Giants, Vick had a QB rating of 69 and completed 43% of his passes before leaving the game.
In other words – Vick has sucked since the SD game.
Vick got pulled at the end of the Denver game, so talking about overall yards is not giving the complete picture.
PASS YARDS/ATT! Find that stat and see who’s first in Denver this year. All those other Qbs racked up garbage time stats.
In the Chiefs game he also had 90 yds rushing, but haters pretend rush yards don’t count. The pass rush was hellacious in that game, Foles had all day to throw on Sunday. His numbers against winning opposition blows Foles out of the water. The Giants game is incomplete, so using that game while ignoring he handed Foles the lead means what?
And stop talking about other Qbs. This bullshit debate is between Vick and Foles.
Yards/attempt is an ok stat.
but whoop de do he’s first…because it isn;t translating to total passing yards.
He’s first and yards/comp, but only 19th in passing yards/game.
Know why?
@cause he’s shits at completing balls.
Tossing bombs constantly pumps up the per catch average all right, at the expense of total yards and long drives. He’s 19th in passing yards/game.
What a superstar.
Oh wait…he “makes up” for his shittiness by running around. And where does that get him? Trainer’s room.
Are you too stupid to understand that pass yards/att. is the more relevant stat? How do you think that Vick rated 10th over other Qbs who had higher completion percentages? He was the only one in the top 10 with a comp% in the 50s. Their were a ton of Qbs he rated higher in passer rating, who have higher completion percentages.
Their is a ton of Qbs completing balls that go nowhere. Tossing bombs? You have to have accuracy to complete those throws, because they are much harder to complete. He didn’t connect on one or two. He led the league in completions over 20 yards.
You focus on comp%, cuz you’re a hater.
Yaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!
It is a valid question vinnie, and like Diogenes of Sinope Jakedog has been wandering round these parts for years seeking the answer, but all I get are arguments laced with stats, venom, no real truth from anyone