• November 24, 2024

Great Game For Nick Foles, But A Quarterback Should Still Be Target For 1st Draft Pick

NickFoles1Let’s step back and see what really happened yesterday.  The same Nick Foles, who played so well against the  New York Giants and Tampa Bay Buccaneers returned in uniform for the Birds.  He’s the guy with the good vision,who sees the entire field and is accurate with his throws.  The quarterback who was wearing number nine yesterday, did a great job of executing the offense.  If Chip Kelly, the offensive line and the receivers are having a good day, Foles usually has one also.

He’s not a quarterback, who can carry a team that’s not playing well, like the guy they will face next Sunday, Aaaron Rodgers.

I wouldn’t get too worked up about Foles throwing the deep balls to Riley Cooper and DeSean Jackson.  Everything he threw up the Eagles wide receivers were catching, yesterday.  The Raiders corners were horrible.  The Oakland defensive coordinator Justin Tarver continued to play man-to-man all day long, even though his secondary was tripping and falling down all over the place.  I will give Foles credit for making them pay, but I would still believe the Birds should draft a quarterback with their first pick in the upcoming draft.

Will the Eagles be able to to do this every week?  I don’t think so.  We’ve seen this same group of receivers have all kinds of trouble getting off the line of scrimmage against press coverage.  They got it done yesterday and Foles benefitted from it, but don’t expect to see it every week.

Kelly should seriously consider naming Foles the starter the rest of the season, if he can stay healthy and avoid another Dallas game collapse.  That consideration has to take into account how making Foles the starting quarterback will affect the way defenses deal with LeSean McCoy.  Making Foles the starter will force Kelly to eliminate the read option from the game plan and it allows defenses to focus on stopping McCoy because it eliminates the cutback hole, which he loves to run through so much.

Michael Vick is no longer part of the discussion, but they must continue to consider how their decisions affect McCoy.  Vick won’t be here next year, but McCoy will and that’s why a quarterback will still be the target with the Birds first pick.  The only type of quarterback who can run all of Kelly’s offense is a mobile, athletic quarterback.  Foles is a lot of things, but he isn’t an athletic quarterback.

Should we start preparing the bust of Foles for the Hall of Fame?  I would hold up on that.  Foles has great poise in the pocket.  He’s got a decent arm and good accuracy, but he doesn’t have a great skill set.   He doesn’t have a great arm.  His deep throws hang up there forever.  It’s great when only the Eagles receivers are coming down the with the ball, but it’s not so great when the other team is coming down with them.  Yesterday only the Eagles were coming down with them.

He did a great job of buying time for his receivers by moving out of trouble and keeping himself free.   The touchdown throw to Zach Ertz was a great example of Foles buying time.  It’s another reason why good defenses don’t play zone in the red zone because receivers come 0pen if you don’t get to the quarterback.

The first touchdown of the game was another crossing route, this time by Brent Celek, against the zone coverage which the Raiders love to play in the red zone.  Celek started on the right side of the formation and came out on the left side.  The key to having success with crossing routes against a zone coverages is having time to throw.

The Birds offensive line did a great job that play and they did an outstanding job all day yesterday of pass blocking.  You probably couldn’t identify any Raiders defensive linemen because they were making too many plays.  Despite surrendering a couple of sacks, the offensive line gave Foles all day long to throw the football.

In much the same way they did against the Buccaneers, the Eagles were able to take advantage of a rookie cornerback, who was in man-to-man coverage against Riley Cooper with no help deep.   Cooper made some good plays on the ball as rookie D.J. Hayden misplayed the ball in air.  Foles basically threw the ball up there for grabs and Cooper came down with it.

On the first touchdown, Cooper outmuscled the rookie and the youngster foolishly gave up on the play. Foles dropped the pass into the perfect spot.   On the second long touchdown pass, Hayden was looking up for the ball and he tripped over Cooper’s feet and fell, while the former Florida wide out was catching the football and running into the end zone.

Cooper’s third touchdown catch was a nice call by Kelly.  They had Cooper crossing from the left side of the offense to the right side.  The Raiders secondary wasn’t talking and the safeties and cornerbacks had no throw where he was at.  He came out of the crossing route on the right side and Foles hit him with the football after faking a handoff to the running back.

The deep touchdown throw to Jackson was another case of an Oakland cornerback tripping and falling.  Jackson flew by him and Foles put it up deep.  The second long completion to Jackson was a great throw which was just out of reach of the cornerback.

GCOBB

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Theone1
Theone1
November 4, 2013 10:10 am

Ok…… Now that Michael Vick is out of the discussion……. Can we atleast give our team a vote of confidence to win? My God, Foles drops 50 on that ass, we have another QB on the bench that can deliver the same fucking performance in this offense, and you say “DRAFT ANOTHER QB” Not just draft one but high and Early? I dont know what the problem is anymore.

Turk
Turk
November 4, 2013 10:14 am

I would wait to judge Nick until the end of the season I don’t see any of those to QB’S as better passer than Foles but there better runners. I still want to see them draft defense first because that’s what keeps you in games just look at KC and the Jets.

Turk
Turk
November 4, 2013 10:18 am

I don’t want to hear no excuses G Cobb all I heard all freakin week was how good the Raiders defense is. Warren Sapp had the Raiders shutting out the Eagles you media guys just don’t want to give Foles props because ya’ll said he was garbage.

Zukny
November 4, 2013 10:26 pm
Reply to  Turk

Next week the argument will be: It was cold and the greenbay defense can’t play in the cold weather like the Eagles can.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
November 4, 2013 10:20 am

Tampa win, Dallas loss, Oakland win
extrapolated over a 16 game season is 10-5 with a game yet to be played

paulman
paulman
November 4, 2013 10:52 am

There is no “Extraplolation” allowed on GCobb.Com EOSB

frankdialogue
frankdialogue
November 4, 2013 10:27 am

The Eagles have a starting QB moving forward, that would be Nick Foles, and they have a backup in the kid from USC…No need slavering over fookin’ Teddy Bridgewater, Johnny Football, or the sophomore at Oregon.

Now, you draft to build up the defense and backup the offensive line, and try to acquire a few more weapons on offense, and a punt/kick returner.

The ‘D’ is going into a positive direction, a system is setting in place, guys know what their responsibilities are, and hopefully coach Davis will keep playing to his strengths.

New locker room leaders will emerge from the groups of younger players.

Foles will have his down moments, but, in the very first post I ever wrote about Nick Foles, I compared him to Eli Manning…I believe Foles is ahead of Manning at this stage in his career, technically.

No QB can win a game, nor a championship alone…Let us start adding to what we have, instead of looking for the ‘next hot QB’.

Theone1
Theone1
November 4, 2013 10:44 am
Reply to  frankdialogue

Barkley is not even ready to be a backup.

Zukny
November 4, 2013 10:07 pm
Reply to  Theone1

Definitely not a backup this season. Here’s hoping a 4th round pick at least develops into a decent back up down the line though!

DCar
DCar
November 5, 2013 1:09 am
Reply to  Zukny

Barkley blows!

Biglion821
Biglion821
November 5, 2013 7:04 am
Reply to  DCar

LOL

slick1
slick1
November 4, 2013 7:14 pm
Reply to  frankdialogue

I agree with that approach. If Kelly is as good as advertised, if he is the great innovator as has been claimed repeatedly from various sources, he should be able to tailor an offense to fit the skill sets of all involved. Kelly has denied repeatedly that he is ‘locked’ into a read-option, must-have-athletic-quarterback scheme yet, the media as well as other so-called experts, continually ignore those denials and insist on associating him with past Oregon concepts. I, for one, believe Kelly is perfectly capable of adjusting to his personnel and not on insisting that his personnel adjust to his concept.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 4, 2013 10:29 am

I still don’t get the idea out there that Foles will remain static. That he won’t improve.

I don’t get the “Rodgers can win a game, but Foles can’t” business. Sure that’s the case right now….but Rogers wasn’t an instant superstar either.

It took him years. Slow steady progress.

Rogers first 9 starts (in his 4th year BTW)
4W 5 L 182 of 288 (63%) for 2124 yrds 13tds 5 ints

Foles first 9 starts
3W 6L 194 of 321 (61%) for 2262 yrds 15tds 4 ints

Rodgers got better. Why can’t we think Foles will do the same and BECOME the guy that Rogers is???

At least we have hope that will happen….and right now signs are pretty positive.

If Foles throws such a floater that other teams easily come down with…then why hasn’t he thrown a pick this year?

Look….lets give the kid the rest of the year before announcing that the first pick should be on a QB.

frankdialogue
frankdialogue
November 4, 2013 10:37 am

BTW, if your QB is not a ‘running threat’, then you adjust your running game, play calling and offensive line schemes to compensate.

jakedog
jakedog
November 4, 2013 10:50 am

lots of sour grapes there gcobb, get real

Foles may have played the greatest qb game in nfl history and you want to nit pick, it doesn’t mean he’s going to Canton, and in this town it doesn’t mean he may start in the future, but give the man his due

greenfan
greenfan
November 4, 2013 10:54 am

I am confused by something I was told earlier….I was told that the only reason that Foles did so well (and was named NFC Offensive Player of the Week) against Tampa was that they we playing a zone defense that he picked apart, and that he couldn’t do that against a man coverage team. Well the Raiders played man coverage the whole game and it was a record setting performance by the QB and his recievers.

Maybe he isn’t as one dimensional as we were told?

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
November 4, 2013 11:03 am

It seems to hurt GCobb personally that Foles is better than he thought. What a hater…. lol

Anybody read that trash from Mike Freeman, the columnist for Bleacher Report? He is another hater.

I guess we should start seeing other “good” NFL quarterbacks throw for 7 TDs against the Raiders as bad as they are… right GCobb?

Biglion821
Biglion821
November 4, 2013 9:28 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

So Irish after watching that we are to believe that the Raiders secondary and LB’s didn’t miss any assignments? Who was covering DJax on that long pass who was responsible for McCoy out of backfield on his td reception? Your a football guy was that good defensive football?

paulman
paulman
November 4, 2013 11:17 am

I agree Jake/Frank and others..
The kid comes off his worst Performance 2 weeks ago and from Concussion, plays perhaps the Best QB performance of the NFL for 2013 and definitely in the Record Books for Eagles History and G-Man is talking about using 2014 1st Round Pick on a QB to unproven College Players..This makes little sense with all the other Positions of need that the Team has right now (OL,OLB,Safety,CB,WR,DE)
What happens if Foles plays well over then next 7 games and leads the Eagles to the PLayoffs.. Do you still Draft a QB with the First Round..
Let’s see how the Season shakes out before worrying about who to Draft next May.. Lots will change between now and then…

You don’t Draft a QB to help your RB out.. You develop,tweak your RUnning Schemes to help McCoy

deejohn
November 4, 2013 3:27 pm
Reply to  paulman

SO SO VERY TRUE
THERE ARE MANY NEEDS ON THIS TEAM NOT A QB & BARKLEY IS NOT EVEN A GOOD BACK UP

frankdialogue
frankdialogue
November 4, 2013 11:18 am

vinnietheevictor
November 4, 2013 – 10:29 am

“I still don’t get the idea out there that Foles will remain static. That he won’t improve.”

Foles is maneuverable…He will get better…You don’t need a QB to be a running back…The FOX commentators doing the Birds game yesterday (I didn’t get their names) were discussing the trend to running QBs and ‘read option’ and one of them said ‘But no running QB has ever won a Super Bowl’.

Colin Kapernick is the only one of these running QBs who might have the tools to do it, but he is a once in a decade athlete, who can do it all, and physically he is tough…Russell Wilson is good too, but, like the guy said: ‘No running QB……’

I want to see some innovations at lining up and using the RBs we have…Let Foles orchestrate the game plan.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
November 4, 2013 3:07 pm
Reply to  frankdialogue

chris myers & tim ryan

Deepthreat
Deepthreat
November 6, 2013 5:28 am
Reply to  frankdialogue

Not so Frank Dialogue,
Foles made history and should be congratulated. He is a good kid, the Eagles starting QB right now and should be supported 100%. But this doesn’t give you the right to try and change history by perpetrating a myth. Steve Young won the “Big game”. He ran for more yards than Randle Cunningham. John Elway also was a SuperBowl winner. He averaged 5 runs a game during the 16 years of his career. Can you imagine how many people watched and were misinformed like you by those so called “commentators” who broadcasted that game?

pheags88
pheags88
November 4, 2013 11:36 am

Most people including myself are not saying to not draft a QB. We’re just saying after this all time great performance, he is the starter for the remainder of this year because he is the best QB on this current roster. But like I said before, just because you are better than Vick and Barkley doesn’t really mean anything when you are talking about the future.

The young QB will play out the remaining of the season and the real eagle fans are hoping he plays well, since as we and the owner know finding a young franchise QB of the future is the number 1 priority of this team. If he plays consistently bad over the next 7 games or he gets hurt then you draft a new guy. WHy make it complicated.

I just don’t get why people, fans and media, have to be stupid about it. People saying shit like don’t expect to see this next week…Yea no shit, it was the best QB performance in Eagles/NFL history. Or shit like well see what happens when the Wrs are not getting off the LOS and the Oline is terrible…Yea as if 95% of NFL QBs will be successful in a situation like that. Just enjoy the possibility that we may have something here.

Average_Joseph
Average_Joseph
November 4, 2013 12:15 pm

G,

Sorry but maybe you should read these 2 articles published on this site by YOU a few weeks ago:

http://18.208.40.39/2013/10/14/eagles-now-full-scale-quarterback-controversy/

http://18.208.40.39/2013/10/13/nick-foles-leads-eagles-another-victory/

They were written by you and sang the praise of Nick Foles. Plus I heard you on WIP after the Tampa game again praising Foles. You are now all over the place. Please get your stories straight. You are making it difficult for me to take your opinions seriously.

Can’t you just wait and see what he does for the remainder of the season. Foles is obviously better than a backup but hopefully the last 7 games will tell us if he is the quarterback to build around.

Just An Average Joseph

dtime
dtime
November 4, 2013 12:16 pm

This is crazy you have a 24 year kid that just put up 50 points and a NFL record and you want to draft a QB in the first round. Agreed he has do it over the course of a full season but let him try before calling for another quarterback. Concerning Kelly system and whether Foles fits it’s not difficult. Change the dam system. All the top quarterback all winning several Super Bowls with few exceptions fit Kelly’s system. I think Kelly has to prove that the way that you win in the NFL is with an athletic QB not the other way around. If Foles is the real deal he is a very rare and there is no reason for another QB.

greenfan
greenfan
November 4, 2013 12:22 pm
Reply to  dtime

Agree withit all dime. Give him the rest of the season and then decide. The draft isn’t until March, why the rush to declare something now??

paulman
paulman
November 4, 2013 2:48 pm
Reply to  greenfan

2014 Draft and subsequent has been pushed back to Late April/May Fyi
To help give Feteran Players a longer off-Season and more Gype for the NFL About rising Propects..

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
November 4, 2013 12:37 pm

This kid deserves a full year of starts as the Franchise in order to show what he has.

dtime
dtime
November 4, 2013 12:43 pm

And another thing. I’m not sure if this is fair but how many points did the athletic quarterback on the Raider side put up? Wasn’t he hurt before the end of the game? Why is everyone so convinced that we need a running QB ?

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
November 4, 2013 1:57 pm
Reply to  dtime

that narrative comes from the Eagles Head Coach and Owner so it trickles down from there

Zukny
November 4, 2013 10:12 pm
Reply to  dtime

I’m pretty sure: Russel Wilson, Kaepernick, Andrew Luck, RG3, who else was drafted recently? Matt Stafford, Josh Freeman, Tannehill, Geno Smith, EJ Manuel, Christian Ponder

I’m pretty sure – NONE OF THOSE GUYS had a perfect game before. I’m also pretty sure none of them had 7 touchdown passes in a single game.

Oh and by the way.. It’s a Quarterbacks job to THROW THE BALL!!

Foles – Has his clothes on the way to Canton as we speak. Can you say that about another QB that came out of the draft in the last 5 years? Probably NOT.

What we need to do is say: Thank You Andy, for drafting this guy

Biglion821
Biglion821
November 4, 2013 10:35 pm
Reply to  dtime

Didn’t they have almost 400 yards in total offense?

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 4, 2013 1:07 pm

Time for my favourite game (though now for the right reasons) called:

Which one is Foles?

VS Raiders. Choices are Luck, Henne, ManningI, RGIII, Rivers, Smith, Roethelessburger and Foles (those are some big names there)

18 of 23 for 178 2td 0 ints
25 of 38 for 241 1td 0 ints
32 of 37 for 374 3td 0 ints
18 of 31 for 227 1td 0 ints
36 of 48 for 411 2td 3 ints
14 of 31 for 128 0td 0 ints
29 of 45 for 275 1td 2 ints
22 of 28 for 406 7td 0 ints

I don’t think the Raiders are that good a D….but that doesn’t discount the fact that Foles tore them to shreds.

Stevo
Stevo
November 4, 2013 2:44 pm

G- I get your point but… U do sound a bit butt sore right now.

It comes down to Kelly…. We were told that he will use the best players and make the coaching changes needed. As of now… Foles is the best player. He for sure has earned an extended look.

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
November 4, 2013 2:47 pm

Agree Stevo- you post this after a 7 TD game? If you wanna say that he has been up and down fine, but come one. I used to feel this way to, but now I think that Foles may have a shot to be the future QB. They have 7 games left to see.

Theone1
Theone1
November 4, 2013 2:47 pm

In the NFL today, you need an athletic quarterback. The league, and ascenine fans have for years been resisting this fact because most of the athletic QB’s(Running) are African American. Now im flaring up the smoke here, but indulge me. If you couple an athletic QB with a system like Chip Kelly’s you could be talking DYNASTY!!!!! What we need to get passed on this site and in the league PERIOD is it should not matter if that QB is black or white SUPER BOWL NOW!!!!!!! We have the right coach. Lets watch him work and eventually find the best QB to run this thing long term….

Secondly, I have been saying for weeks on end that Chip is a genious. Im no football genious, but damn if I would display my total package with the wrong personel on the field. You would be irrelevant in the NFL once everyone figures out your playbook very quickly. He had to do it this week because NOBODY felt foles got a great shot. Well, Foles got his shot. Once again Chip clarified that he feels he has two starting QB’s on this team….. Said it this summer….. Said after the game…….. Accept it. MV is 33. Not our future QB. Foles is a young project with Hella potential, and maybe…just maybe…. he could carry it. Barkley….. uh…. TRASH!!!!!! QB 2nd round in the draft.

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
November 4, 2013 9:55 pm
Reply to  Theone1

Knuckle dragging Turd.

paulman
paulman
November 5, 2013 7:08 am
Reply to  Theone1

Johnny Football Manziel is a white scrambling backyard QB who
Is as quick with his feet as any black QB in College and I still don’t
Want him on my Team.. I want a .pocket QB who can but time and create
Space for himself, but not a scrambler/running QB.. It’s fun to watch, effective in College Vall but does not consistently Win in the NFL

Biglion821
Biglion821
November 5, 2013 7:22 am
Reply to  paulman

Johnny Football is not a pro prospect. White or Black.

DCar
DCar
November 5, 2013 11:46 am
Reply to  Biglion821

And he’s an egotistical nut-job. No thanks!

jakedog
jakedog
November 5, 2013 1:02 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Is there a black Johnny football out there

Biglion821
Biglion821
November 5, 2013 3:17 pm
Reply to  jakedog

Turn on the tv on Saturdays Jake they are all over the college landscape.

daggolden
daggolden
November 4, 2013 2:54 pm

Even after supporting Vick I realize this is a dumb article. Foles has done enough to bypass a QB in 1st round next year. Build the defense.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
November 4, 2013 3:42 pm

The problem the Eagles face is that they don’t know (for sure) if Nick Foles is the future franchise quarterback.

The reason they face this problem is because Chip Kelly (the genius) made the stupid decision to retain the services of a 33 year-old injury prone quarterback and increase his carries and workload.

Of course the entire football watching world knew that Vick would not hold up past a few games, but Chip Kelly (the genius) had to see for his self.

If Chip Kelly (the genius) had started Foles from game one there would be no question by seasons end. The Eagles would know where we stand.

And, this is for you GCobb – If Chip Kelly (the genius) makes a quarterback decision based on how well he runs the (soon to be defunct) read-option, then we will need a new coach soon.

Theone1
Theone1
November 4, 2013 3:58 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

Yo Irish… SHUDDAFUCKUP>>>> and get your head outta your ass…..

Theone1
Theone1
November 4, 2013 4:07 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

Nick Foles’ reward for tying an NFL record with seven touchdown passes in a game will be taking first-team reps in Tuesday’s practice.

That’s as far as Philadelphia Eagles coach Chip Kelly would go in his weekly news conference Monday.

With Michael Vick’s hamstring still bothering him, Foles is the No. 1 quarterback. However, Kelly declined to say who the starter will be when Vick returns.

Theone1
Theone1
November 4, 2013 4:09 pm
Reply to  Theone1

The Genius is at it again LMAO!!!!

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
November 4, 2013 9:58 pm
Reply to  Theone1

Vick is D.O.N.E. Done, DONE, DONE…

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
November 4, 2013 9:57 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

Co signed

btc24
btc24
November 4, 2013 3:51 pm

Irish, good point but I still think there is plenty of time this season to find out if Foles can be our franchise QB. We play some good teams down the stretch and next week in Green Bay will be a great test.

wanderlei silva
wanderlei silva
November 4, 2013 4:02 pm

If Foles had played the last few games for the Vikes in relief of Ponder, or had stepped in for Houston when Schaub went down, and put up these sorts of numbers, everybody in Philadelphia would probably be thinking “it looks like they have something going on there. If they ride out the bumps in the road and let him get through it when the yips in his stroke once in awhile, they should have a pretty darned good young qb”. But it’s Philadelphia, so we make comparisons to Bobby Hoying, await the next diasaster and try and figure out the angle by which he will fail. Better to endure the comforting pain of despondency than risk going all in emotionally and be let down if he doesn’t come through. Its more important to many that they be correct, after predicting Foles impending fall back to Earth than it is to see promise in a young guy who has showed flashes of brilliance, albeit in a limited audition. This fan base has changed over the years, critcism is unending, support is a lacking commodity and a Super Bowl or Bust attitude has blinded many to the Eagles’ growth this season and potential for further improvement. They aren’t a great team yet, but they are more fun to watch most of the time than they were at any point last year. Still, it’s easier to just call them ass and be miserable. Aye, there’s the rub, Foles sucks.

slick1
slick1
November 4, 2013 7:27 pm

Great post, and quite an indictment of the fickleness of Philly fans. It’s a shame we’ve/they’ve been so disappointed by the failings of the Hoyings and Kolbs that have preceded Foles but, I’d like to believe that this time, it’s for real.

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
November 4, 2013 10:00 pm
Reply to  slick1

And what about the failed Black QB’s

Everyone always says Hoying, Kolb why cause foles is White. What about Pete, (Vick)-one playoff loss= FAIL.

Biglion821
Biglion821
November 4, 2013 11:26 pm
Reply to  RegalEagle

Dude shut up, really how stupid can you be?

greenfan
greenfan
November 4, 2013 9:47 pm

Very true wanderiei….very true. While many are quick to anoint a new star after a single game (has anyone seen MCW shirts yet?) we are also haunted by the “Hoyings” & “Kolbs” of our past. Your statement on the unending criticism is very accurate. It looks to be easier to be negative on the team instead of being disappointed in the end.

wanderlei silva
wanderlei silva
November 5, 2013 8:22 am
Reply to  greenfan

If you look around, how many people do you know who have only two reactions to an Eagles’ game? Its either “thank god they didn’t lose again so I don’t have to feel like crap again all week with people raining down abuse on them in the paper and on radio” or “Oh, they lost, they suck, now I have to listen to people rain down abuse on them in the paper and on radio”. I am not going to roll that way, I am going to find a positive whenever possible. Not unrealistic expectations, no Kool_Aid, but I am simply not willing to waste my time and not like my own city’s football team anymore. Go Birds.

Zukny
November 4, 2013 10:14 pm

I truly believe the Media in philadelphia is the worst in the united states of america. It must be.. it just doesn’t make sense how these people want Foles to Fail soo freaking badly.

Theone1
Theone1
November 4, 2013 4:08 pm

Nick Foles’ reward for tying an NFL record with seven touchdown passes in a game will be taking first-team reps in Tuesday’s practice.

That’s as far as Philadelphia Eagles coach Chip Kelly would go in his weekly news conference Monday.

With Michael Vick’s hamstring still bothering him, Foles is the No. 1 quarterback. However, Kelly declined to say who the starter will be when Vick returns.

Theone1
Theone1
November 4, 2013 4:09 pm

“I think you’re more worried about it than [Foles] is,” Kelly said, responding to a question of how he could tell Foles he’s not the starter after Sunday’s 49-20 lambasting of the Oakland Raiders.

Biglion821
Biglion821
November 4, 2013 9:30 pm
Reply to  Theone1

LOL

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
November 4, 2013 4:10 pm

Once again, just like with AJ Feeley and Kevin Kolb…we have these rush to judgements and extreme excitement over an QB who has not demonstrated that he can handle the pressure of being s a franchised QB. Foles had a chance in training camp..he had chance last year…his biggest shot came against Dallas with the division on the line…his play LOST the game for us!
Now in a game where he sat in the pocket untouched all game, where cornerbacks where falling down leaving receivers wide open…the worst game we seen a defense play…suddenly people are ready to annoint Foles as the chosen one! Foles played a good game…but any QB who could not take advantage of how Oakland played yesterday is not even a back up NFL QB.

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 4, 2013 4:39 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

Wow… Unbelievable comment. I guess your boy didn’t have the Washington game handed to him. The man threw more touchdowns than incompletions against a top ten defense … And you make reverse excuses

Zukny
November 4, 2013 10:15 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

People don’t seem to understand that if you pass the ball, you won’t get sacked. I think it’s because the defense isn’t allowed to tackle you when you don’t have the ball in your hands.

I might be wrong though?

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
November 4, 2013 4:49 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

You are such a hypocrite man. If Vick woulda had this day and then people would have posted that comment about the Raider defense, you would have lost your mind.

Many people on the site just want to see him start the rest of the season to see if they need a QB for next season. Vick is not the long term answer no matter what you think. And now you want them to draft an unproven college QB instead of waiting to see what Foles can do the rest of the season. I used to be at that point too, because I was unconvinced of his ability. But now I don’t think that he is the chosen one, but I want to see what he has. They have 7 games left to determine.

Who is the mobile QB that you want? Let’s hear the arguments.

Zukny
November 4, 2013 10:20 pm
Reply to  bugsyhawk

Vick has played roughly 108 career games in the NFL. Please point out to me his perfect game in which he had 7 Touchdowns.

Because Vick is a running QB, they can be running Touchdowns by Vick. They dont’ all have to be passes.

It took Foles 9 games to achieve this.. So just how many games did it take Vick?

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
November 4, 2013 5:32 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

Exactly.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
November 4, 2013 4:13 pm

Chip Kelly is a good coach…he can adapt his offensive to different styles of Quarterbacks…but the Quarterback that can best maximize his offense is one that has a strong arm and the speed to make his run-option play effective. This is what the Eagles need…and I will say it over and over again…Chip Kelly at his core wants to run the football!

paulman
paulman
November 4, 2013 4:22 pm

How about Paulman’s Sleeper College QB in Derek Carr..
Another Strong game for Fresno State this past Weekend
His 2013 Stats are as Follows
290 Competions out of 419 Pass Attempts (70% Completion Rate)
3,061 Yards (7.4 Yard per completion average)
28 TD’s with only 4 Int’s
He’s 6-3 220 lbs with the frame to put on 10 lbs and the Foot Speed and pocket Prescence to play at the NFL Level..
Will probably go in the 2nd Round
A 3 Year Starter in an Up-Tempo System at Fresno State
Has Passsed for 11,000 Yards in Collge and Career 68% Completion Rate
Has 91 Career TD passes with 20 Int’s
IsMarried and has a Son already and is mature beyond his Years,shows
Great Leadership Ability, Commands the Huddle and is the younger brother of former #1 Pick and NFL QB David Carr and whose Father is a Football Coach so he has a very High Football IQ..
This Derek Carr reminds me a lot of a Youg Aaron Rodgers when coming out of College a few years back and will make someone a good NFL QB in a couple of Years

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
November 4, 2013 4:39 pm

Aaron Pryor left game in 4th QRT with knee injury, EJ Manuel may comeback next week after missing time with a knee injury, RG3 knee injury. Running QB’s are exposed to injury due to running, Vick, a hammy just by running. Stay in the pocket and pass.
Only in Philly can a QB havea game like Foles did and articles are written about drafting a QB in first round without letting that QB continue to prove his worth for the remainder of the season.

Theone1
Theone1
November 4, 2013 4:48 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Kapernik, and Wilson are healthy. get off it.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
November 4, 2013 4:52 pm
Reply to  Theone1

Nothing for me to get off…It’s my opinion as to what I want just like you have yours. Facts are facts…running QB’s are more injury prone due to the nature of their game. Personally, my QB of the future is Jameis Winston…Pocket passer who can run. When I say pocket passer, I mean reads and goes through progressions…not make a read and take off.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
November 4, 2013 4:53 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Wilson himself said running isn’t what is going to get him where he wants to be as a QB.

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
November 4, 2013 5:38 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Doesn’t stop him from doing it.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
November 5, 2013 1:23 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

Wonder how often he’ll do it 10 years from now when he’s 33 years-old?

Biglion821
Biglion821
November 5, 2013 8:11 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

Wonder if he’ll still be in the league at 33.

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
November 4, 2013 5:38 pm
Reply to  Theone1

Cam Newton is doing pretty damn good. So it Luck.

Zukny
November 4, 2013 10:22 pm
Reply to  Theone1

Both Kaepernick and Wilson are 1. Smarter than the guys mentioned above and don’t run it nearly as much.

That said, I’m pretty sure Foles has a better completion percentage & TD to INT ratio than those guys this year. Heck, maybe even overall for their career.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
November 4, 2013 4:59 pm

Michael Vick lost his job to Nick Foles at the end of last season, if you recall…. Chip Kelly (the genius) had the tapes of last season. He saw what happened when teams keep Vick in the pocket. Plus, it was no secret throughout the league that Vick was brittle.

Chip Kelly screwed-up when he brought Vick back – and he wasted the first half of the season by starting Vick. Clearly we know now that Vick was the wrong choice.

koobreeze – Nick Foles might be the next Kevin Kolb… we don’t know. But, what we do know is that Vick never was the answer… And Chip Kelly (the genius) should not have wasted half the season to prove what the world saw last year.

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
November 4, 2013 10:01 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

Co-signed

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
November 4, 2013 5:18 pm

IrishEagle: Vick got hurt and Foles came in…there was an open competition for the job in training camp…Kelly put the job up for grabs and Vick took it clearly and no one could argue that Foles didnt get a fair shot at the job. Vick gets hurt and in the big game…the key money game for the division to put us in good position…Foles had a horrendous game. He played very well yesterday…but he wasn’t touched, he wasn’t hit…receivers were wide open with corners repeatedly falling down. Do you really believe that Reily Cooper is a top-notch receiver? Why isnt anyone singing his praises today?
Let’s be real…we need a QB…Foles has to prove it in a clutch situation against some good opposition…he has not done it yet…until he does it and shows some consistency…I’m not buying in on Nick Foles.

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
November 4, 2013 5:31 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

See we are on the same page. I can’t get on the Foles train. And this has NOTHING to do with Vick. NOTHING. Vick is done as an Eagle. Period.

But good lord I’m not sure I buy into not drafting a QB early for a guy who only looks good against marginal teams who royally fuck up on defense. That doesn’t make me feel warm and fuzzy moving forward.

He’s got time to prove otherwise though. Greenbay is up and Redskins after. We will see.

E-money
E-money
November 4, 2013 7:07 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

I agree. I want to get on, but that Cowboys game performance…

Foles has the rest of the season to change my mind. If he continues to convert 3rd downs, score touchdowns instead of field goals, and continues to not turn the ball over, and continues to win or compete, then the job is his and we can use the pick on an impact player on defense.

I think that this is still a passing league. Passing quarterbacks haven’t been put out to pasture yet for a reason. Maybe someday running QBs will rule the world, but it hasn’t happened yet.

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
November 4, 2013 10:38 pm
Reply to  E-money

” Maybe someday running QBs will rule the world, but it hasn’t happened yet.”

You do realize pretty much all the young QBs out now and coming out next year are “running” qbs. And Kelly’s offense is built for a “running” Qb.

It’s not a question of if they will rule the world, they already do.

DCar
DCar
November 5, 2013 1:31 am
Reply to  tsjohnson5

Rule the world? Who wins the Super bowls? That’s what I thought………

paulman
paulman
November 4, 2013 5:21 pm

**Eagle News***
Press Conference Tuesday 11am with Mike Vick announcing his Retirement
from the NFL, meanwhile behind the Scenes, the Eagles have Signed Tim Tebow as a Back-Up for Foles ….. You heard it here first ..

DonP
DonP
November 4, 2013 6:03 pm

I dont get g nobody is annoited foles the next Montana but man draft another qb already really lets give foles time to develop and see what eagles havehere. Why isnt everyone on board. Why does he have to run like vick in order for this offense to tick give me a break. He is int he same mode as Rothlisberger , built like him and just as fast and mobile Ben serve the purpose for steelers matter of fact he has one superbowl under his belt so like why g u puttin the guy down instead ride this puppy where its got to go!!

EaglesSuck
EaglesSuck
November 4, 2013 6:25 pm

Heres how I see it. Nick Foles deserves to be named the starter for the rest of the season. Im not saying Nick Foles is the next Tom Brady but he’s a pretty damn good quarterback.

I look at a team like Kansas City with Alex Smith. Nick Foles is better than Alex Smith and yet they’re undefeated. You give Nick Foles a stout defense and a few more weapons sky’s the limit.

Im hearing all this talk about Nick Foles isnt a franchise QB and I agree he isnt however you dont need a franchise QB to win the superbowl Cam Newton is a franchise QB do any of you guys see Cam Newton winning a Superbowl? I dont! Terrelle Pryor will be the franchise QB in Qakland for a long time how many Superbowls do you think he will win?

Horatio
Horatio
November 4, 2013 6:39 pm

“We’ve seen this same group of receivers have all kinds of trouble getting off the line of scrimmage against press coverage.”

So shouldn’t we care more about improving the receivers than improving the QB? If your QB can take advantage of good receiver play and the receivers usually stink…

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
November 4, 2013 6:49 pm

Nick Foles is going to the PFHF in Canton , Seriously…well his equipment that he wore in yesterdays game is. Canton called and asked for it…True story!

Not with drafting a QB unless Foles completely flops, to many holes to fill. Get a solid # 2 WR and let Foles keep doing his thing.

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
November 4, 2013 10:03 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Yup

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
November 4, 2013 6:53 pm

No Foles does not deserve to be named the starter for the year…he didn’t earn the job out of training camp…Vick beat him fair and square…in the biggest and most important game of the year…Foles folded terribly. I like Chip Kelly’s approach…he is keeping the pressure on Foles…if he performs and wins games…he probably will stick with him…but if he loses…if the Eagles cant execute their bread and butter play with Shady McCoy-the read-option- AND the Eagles still have a shot at a playoff spot..Kelly will put Vick right back in there if he is healthy!
Foles has a shot…he needs to prove it!

mhenski
mhenski
November 4, 2013 7:28 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

do you have Down’s syndrome ?

paulman
paulman
November 4, 2013 8:38 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

The Summer/Training Camp means very little now that November is here..

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
November 4, 2013 10:41 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

It’s week to week with Foles. Kelly has no reason to play it any other way. Vick isn’t going to be healthy anytime soon, so Foles has all the time in the world to prove he’s the dude moving forward. If he does, great…we don’t have to draft a QB in the first…and that pick can be used to fill other needs.

DCar
DCar
November 5, 2013 1:35 am
Reply to  koolbreeze

So genius, with Vick out, at least 3-6 weeks, & Barkley a garbage rookie, who do you want to QB the rest of the year? F^#@ing stupid, imbecile!

DonP
DonP
November 5, 2013 7:26 am
Reply to  koolbreeze

Hey goofball he didnt fold he was concussed in first series idiot and then hurt more at end of game short and sweet stop fabricating shit man u always come up with bullshit contribute some positive fool1

Butch007
Butch007
November 4, 2013 7:02 pm

It’s premature to be talking about how to use next year’s first round draft on top of the fact that the Eagles would probably be better served using that pick on a beast of an OLB if there’s one available. The way I look at this is that in actual game time Foles is a rookie working to get, what is it, a ninth game under his belt (in his entire career)? It seems like a lot of people have been wanting to run the guy out of town since game #1 of his rookie campaign and it has nothing to do with his performance as a QB in the NFL…how could it be? The criticism of Foles is completely about the environment he’s in and the fact that there is an incumbent QB, however if you were to evaluate his improvement on it’s own from game #1 of his rookie campaign it’s evident he should be the starter and in any situation where there wasn’t a veteran incumbent QB there’s no question he would have earned the starting job if only to see what the kid’s actual performance peak is.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
November 4, 2013 7:58 pm
Reply to  Butch007

Butch007 that is a fair assessment! However, the criticism is fair because we are dealing with Foles in the current environment! Any other assessment is would be irrelevant. Chip Kelly didn’t owe Foles the job coming in…he had open competition and Vick beat him out. Now, the starter, Vick, is hurt…so Foles has a shot. He has to win these games…he lost a key game in our fight for the playoffs…he has a chance to beat Green Bay and Washington….and keep us in the race.
This is the NFL…the ‘kid’ has to do the job or sit on the bench!

jakedog
jakedog
November 4, 2013 8:15 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

Do you even know how average to below average Vick has played over his career, he’s never had a game even remotely close to the perfect game foles just delivered, he is an eleven, twelve year veteran who can’t out perform even an average nfl qb, that’s not foles, but maybe some of the many average qbs in this league, but you want Vick, why, just tell us, why, if foles had a hell of a suntan it would all be different, just admit it you little punk ass, just say it, damn…..

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
November 4, 2013 8:37 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

Hahaha – Vick’s losses are all vary excusable.. it’s the one Foles lost that’s important… Has it not downed on you that Foles has as many wins this year as Vick, with half as many starts?

Foles 1 loss to the Cowboys counts the same as any of Vick’s 4 losses this year.

Michael Vick has never beaten the Packers in his 10 year career, but of course (to you), Foles has to beat them at Lambeau to be worthy of unseating your hero…. lol

You guys are going to have to come to grips with the fact that your hero is done. All Foles has to do is play well.

greenfan
greenfan
November 5, 2013 4:47 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

Do you realize that there have been 9 games played since that “open competition”? Doesn’t the play of both QB’s enter into the decision of who should be starting?

jakedog
jakedog
November 4, 2013 7:29 pm

Man, reading some of these posts makes me lose brain cells, tsjohnson, kool breeze, you are dumber than a bag of hammers

mhenski
mhenski
November 4, 2013 7:33 pm
Reply to  jakedog

lmfao agreed.

DCar
DCar
November 5, 2013 1:38 am
Reply to  jakedog

At least hammers are good for doing construction……..

DCar
DCar
November 5, 2013 1:39 am
Reply to  DCar

Don’t insult the hammers…..

jakedog
jakedog
November 4, 2013 7:54 pm

But gcobb, you should shame yourself for writing such bull shit, maybe not a public flogging but a serious mea culpa it was one of the greatest performances in the history of the nfl and you, inflame the agenda driven with your agenda driven drivel, I thought more of you as a journalist and player, but by your last article you are with the trash heap

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
November 4, 2013 8:16 pm
Reply to  jakedog

He does it toget people to argue on thiscite…the more bloggers…the better. Advertising dollars brother!

jakedog
jakedog
November 4, 2013 8:21 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Haha, of course eagle has landed, it’s about the almighty dollar, thanks brother for reminding me, peace

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
November 4, 2013 8:07 pm

LOL..jakedog you never had any brain cells…what you are calling brain cells are just rocks…we can tell because when you rock heads cant prove your weak, stupid argument…you resort to personal insults.

jakedog
jakedog
November 4, 2013 8:23 pm

It’s sand kool breeze, pure sand, no rocks, just sand with ole jakedog

JimChunk
JimChunk
November 4, 2013 8:58 pm

This is just too easy and a no brainer. G you are nuts…with all due respect of course. The dude played one bad game, and I have to read this kind of crap talking about getting a Q back early in the draft. . Heck, he could of had a slight concussion early in the Dallas game and the condition could have worsen as time progressed. Truth is we don’t know what was wrong with him in that game and quite frankly I care not. . G if this were early in your writing career, I’d be calling for a draft of a replacement for you as a writer. However, most of your articles are excellent and your broadcasts are even better. In short, you’ve stood the test of time. We just gotta give Foles more time to make a judgement either way;let’s start talking draft when the season is over peeps for goodness sake. We’ll have a ton O more data to decide then. Even with that the draft is often a crap shoot.

jakedog
jakedog
November 4, 2013 9:29 pm

Let’s draft an unknown qb who could be and might be an abject failure instead of going with an nfl tested, record holder young qb, dumb assess

pheags88
pheags88
November 4, 2013 9:56 pm

The stats show Foles is clearly the best QB on the team. He is better than Vick and Barkley, and has outplayed them both during the actual season (you know when the games actually count unlike preseason). I mean the guy threw for more TDs in 3 quarters than Vick/Barkley has ALL season and no interceptions where Vick/Barkley have both thrown a couple. He just had the best QB game in Eagles/NFL history, which happened to be against a top 10 defense I believe going into the week. The kid gets to be the starter for the last 7 games. If he looks consistently bad or gets injured again then we can draft a new QB next year. This shouldn’t be complicated. Yet some people still cant except it because they must be either extremely stupid or just not like Foles because he is white.
Really there is no other way to explain why an Eagles fan wouldn’t want Foles to start the rest of the season after he just had the best QB game in NFL history (in his what 9th start)…and when his seasons stats are much better than the other QBs on the roster.

runtheball09
runtheball09
November 4, 2013 9:57 pm

Jumping the gun a little. We don’t know what Foles is or isn’t yet. Let’s give him a couple games before we write him as a backup.

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
November 4, 2013 10:06 pm

Foles should have had 16 games to answer Jeffy’s question. Now he gets 8. Chip can not go back on what he has said but guess what; No injury to foles = the worlds longest Hamstring injury.

Zukny
November 4, 2013 10:24 pm

Articles like these only come out for 1 of 2 reasons.
A: The Writer is looking to stir the pot. Tick people off and get them to comment.
OR
B: The Writer simply has no Football IQ Whatsoever.

I’m gonig to go with A and hope that this is more about “Clicks” then anything else.