• November 24, 2024

Nick Foles Should Be Congratulated, But I’m Still Not Sure He’s The Guy

NickFoles6The soon to be named NFC Offensive Player of the Week, Nick Foles, is in a tough situation.   As a quarterback for the Eagles, he is being judged at the highest of the levels.

Unfortunately for Foles and every other quarterback, who starts for the Eagles, they are judged against the quarterbacks who have led their franchises to Super Bowl titles.  It’s all about winning a Super Bowl for Eagles fans and for the organization.  Unlike quarterbacks for organizations like the Jacksonville Jaguars, San Diego Chargers, Buffalo Bills and others, Foles isn’t judged by how many touchdowns he throws or how many records he sets in a particular game.

The questions which loom over every quarterback is the same one which ushered Donovan McNabb out of the door after a 11-5 season.  Can this guy take us to the Super Bowl and win it?   Passing records and regular season records don’t really matter.  McNabb won a lot of games during the regular season, but he was showed the door after the Birds were dominated by the Dallas Cowboys in a playoff game.

Is Foles a quarterback who can lead this team to the promised land?  I’m not sure about that, in fact I doubt that he’s the guy.  I can be proven wrong in the future and have been proven wrong in the past, but I doubt that Foles is the guy.  I know he threw seven touchdowns but you have to step back and look closely at all of those touchdown throws. In a good evaluation, you look at both the accomplishments and the circumstances.

I was on Comcast Sportsnet’s Philly Sportstalk Show yesterday with Michael Barkann and Brian Westbrook and we talked a great deal about Foles, his accomplishment this past weekend and how his performance affects the Eagles quarterback situation.  Westbrook and I were both hesitant to say that Foles was the guy to lead this team for the next ten years.  We hated to be the guys to pour cold water all over the celebration.

First of all, I want to be clear that Michael Vick is now out of the future plans of this football team.  This starting quarterback job is Foles’ for the rest of the season unless he gets hurt or plays like he did against the Cowboys for a couple of games.

Now let’s take a closer look at the seven touchdown passes and see just how great the second-year quarterback played.

On the first touchdown throw, Foles rolled out and waited forever for tight end Brent Celek to sneak across the field from his right tight end spot and eventually come open on the other side.  It took a long time, but when the tight end came open, he was wide open.  The key to the play was pass blocking and the offensive line did an outstanding job on that play.  It wasn’t a difficult or long throw, the key was being patient.

On the second touchdown throw, Foles threw the ball about thirty-yards in the air.  It was a 17-yard touchdown toss and right on the money.  It was thrown with a great touch and it was a very accurate throw.  Foles showed plenty of touch on the throw because he put some air under it and the pass dropped into Cooper’s hands in the end zone at the exact split second they needed.  This was an outstanding throw because of the accuracy and may have been his best touchdown throw of the day.

On the third touchdown pass, Foles did a good job in the pocket before the letting the ball go.  He dropped back, looked the safety, Charles Woodson, off to his right, then came back to his left and let it go deep to Cooper.  Rookie cornerback D.J. Hayden tripped over Cooper’s heels and fell on his face.

Foles put the ball out there and Cooper went and got it.  Yes, you must give credit to the Birds young quarterback for throwing the ball out there for his receiver to catch, but it wasn’t a great throw.  It didn’t have to be with the cornerback laying on face looking at dirt.  That was definitely poor play by the cornerback.

Thanks to his offensive line, Foles had very little pass rush pressure on him, during the play.  I do give him credit for freezing Woodson.  Foles deliberately looked to his right to keep Woodson on that side, then came back to his left and he put it up deep to Cooper.

The fourth touchdown throw by Foles was a tremendous example of great pass blocking.  The 6’6″ quarterback dropped into the pocket with the ball on the Oakland fifteen yard line.  He looked to his left and couldn’t find anybody open.  The Raiders were running a pass rush game with the defensive end on the right side of the offense going inside.  When he went inside and the Birds offensive line stacked up the entire Oakland pass rush in the middle of the field and to the Birds left.   That allowed Foles to roll out to the right side.

He had all day to throw the ball.  The extra time allowed Foles the chance to survey the field a time or two and then ultimately find tight end Zach Ertz, who was standing wide open in the end zone just inside the right sideline.  Foles did good job of extending the play and got the job done.

It was really more bad defense by the Raiders, than anything else.  The defender on that side didn’t do his job of standing near Ertz after he ran his corner route.  The Raiders forgot Ertz was there and left him alone.

The fifth touchdown pass was in the game’s second half.  The Birds were sporting a 28-13 lead, when Foles sent McCoy in a wide motion toward the sidelines.  No one on the Raiders defense went with him.  That would lead you to believe they were in a zone defense.  If they were in man-to-man, surely a defender would have followed him?  Right?

Wrong!!!

It just so happened that the Raiders were in man-to-man, so McCoy headed downfield with no one guarding him and caught the Foles pass on the run.  He sprinted into the end zone virtually untouched.

There was definitely a blown assignment on the part of someone on the Raiders defense.  Still, Foles should be given credit for getting McCoy the football, but it wasn’t the most difficult of assignments for the former Arizona Wildcat quarterback.

The sixth touchdown was another case of a Raiders defender falling down.  This time Foles dropped in the pocket, looked to his left, then came back to his right and put the ball up for DeSean Jackson.  The diminutive speedster was being covered by former Dallas Cowboy Michael Jenkins.

Jackson had come off the ball and eluded an attempt by the cornerback to jam him, then he hit the accelerator.  At that exact moment, Jenkins tripped over a blade of grass or one of his shoestrings and fell to the turf.

By that time the ball was in the air, Jackson was running down the sidelines wide open.  It was a just matter of time before he caught the football and leaped into the end zone.  Again you have to give Foles credit for connecting with his wide receiver, but at the same time, you must realize that it wasn’t the hardest of throws when the receiver is wide-open.

The seventh and final Foles touchdown pass was on bootleg action.  Foles caught the snap from Jason Kelce and faked a handoff to McCoy, who was going to the offensive left side.  After faking the handoff, Foles rolled to his right .  He had Jackson crossing to the right side and headed to the short right flat area.

Cooper had lined up on the left side in the tight slot area.  He simply crossed the formation, starting out at shallow depth then getting deeper as he crossed.  The key to the success of the play was Cooper getting in behind the linebackers and in front of the safeties.  Pass blocking was a very important aspect of this play because it took a long time to develop.  Eventually he was open as he headed to the right corner of the end zone.

So what did we learn from the seven touchdown explosion?  It’s not time yet to make the Hall of Fame bust for Foles, but who knows if things continue going so well.  Everything broke right for him on Sunday.  The Raiders secondary was pathetic.  How many times do you see a game where two times defenders fall down while covering a receiver?  The Oakland secondary left receivers wide open.

It’s not time to be certain that Foles can lead this team to a championship, just because he was in the right situation at the right time against a defense that didn’t show up.  How many times did you see the Raiders pass rush put pressure on Foles in that game?

I want to see Foles do the job against a defense that’s getting pressure on him and covering his receivers tightly.  Let me see him lead the Eagles to a big offensive output against a defense thats on top of their game.  Foles should be congratulated for his performance, but you can’t assume he’s a franchise quarterback, who is destined to lead this team to a Super Bowl, because he threw seven touchdown passes to wide open receivers with opponent’s pass rush missing in action.

GCOBB

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Theone1
Theone1
November 5, 2013 4:59 pm

Yup!

antitrust32
antitrust32
November 5, 2013 5:06 pm

“It’s all about winning a Super Bowl for Eagles fans and for the organization.”
Think about this, there has never been one player, offense or defense, in the history of the Philadelphia Eagles, that was able to take our Birds to the promise land and win a Superbowl. Going by Cobb’s logic, every single man who has ever suited up for the Philadelphia Eagles has failed us. Let’s give Foles a chance before writing off a young QB, who besides one poor game has done nothing but improve and show he’s a player at this level.

Theone1
Theone1
November 6, 2013 8:41 am
Reply to  antitrust32

There was Reggie White, Jerome Brown. One Died, Norman Braman traded the other because he refused to match a 10 million offer from Green bay, and he promptly went there and helped lift that team to thier first supperbowl with Bret Farve.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 5, 2013 5:52 pm

There have been dozens upon dozens of terrible defenses over the years. There have been hundreds of pathetic CBs. There haven’t been dozens of QBs tearing those terrible defenses to pieces like we saw this week.

pheags88
pheags88
November 5, 2013 6:00 pm

Next ten years? Im pretty sure all everyone is saying is that he needs to start the rest of this season because he is the best QB on the team. He has outplayed Vick/Barkley in regular season, games that actually matter. Just enjoy that the best NFL QB performance ever belongs to a Philadelphia Eagle.

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
November 5, 2013 6:20 pm
Reply to  pheags88

“m pretty sure all everyone is saying is that he needs to start the rest of this season because he is the best QB on the team”

Until he’s not. 88 yards in Dallas…ouch…

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 5, 2013 7:17 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

Kid throws 7 tds. Only happened 7 times in history.

You bring up the Dallas game.

Well done.

pheags88
pheags88
November 5, 2013 7:26 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

Society would be a much better place without stupid people like you.

Why don’t look up the total regular season stats for this year among Foles/Vick/Barkley. Foles is clearly the best QB on this team based on the numbers. On top of it he has NO turnovers and just passed for more TDs in 3 quarters than Vick/Barkley have all season.

And as bad as he looked in Dallas (we don’t know when he was injured), Vick looked just as bad against the Giants before he got hurt again with no one touching him(threw a INT on first play, intentional grounding, sack fumble). Barkley has looked just as bad too.

DCar
DCar
November 6, 2013 12:13 am
Reply to  tsjohnson5

12 years of failure, & 1 playoff win! OUCH!!!!

Xevious
Xevious
November 6, 2013 7:57 am
Reply to  tsjohnson5

13td’s no ints, No other QB with at least 100 attempts has no INTs. He might have been concussed in the Dallas game but keep Plugging away with it. Your agenda is clear. BTW he will toss some ints this year like every other QB, It’s gonna happen. Thing is he will grow and learn, unlike others.

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 5, 2013 6:00 pm

“Foles sent McCoy in motion” hit him in stride and he walked untouched into the end zone… Translation… Foles did exactly what a qb is supposed to do! survey the defense and get his playmakers the ball…how stupid this article is gcbobb terrible

Muimuiman
Muimuiman
November 5, 2013 6:04 pm

You are right, we aren’t sure about Foles. But we are sure about Vick right? He definitely can’t do it. I mean honestly, we should have known this about Vick the past 2 seasons.

So give the kid a shot, and see what he can do. And don’t pick apart each TD. For god sakes he threw 7!

greenfan
greenfan
November 5, 2013 6:10 pm

Ok, cannot totally disagree. This is all the more reason that Foles needs to play as many games as he can before we have to decide what direction to go in the draft. Then we will be able to have a better picture of who the real Nick Foles is.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 5, 2013 6:11 pm

I personally like these graphs:

Foles – first 9 starts

Comp% 46, 75, 65, 63. 48. 67, 71, 38, 78
Draw the line……Slow, slight upward trend

Yards
204, 119, 251, 381, 180, 345, 296, 80, 406
draw the line…..slow, slight upward trend
(and BTW – 4 300 yard games in his first 9 starts?? At some point we have to start recognizing that this isn’t happening by accident!

TDs
0, 0, 1, 2, 1, 1, 2, 3, 0, 7
Draw the line…..slow upward trend

INTS
2, 0,0,0,1,1,0,0,0
Draw the line….fuck, that’s a goddamn great line!!

qb rating
41, 89, 97, 99, 63, 86, 133, 46, 158
Draw the line……upward trend

y/att
4.4, 5.7, 7.4, 5.5, 7.2, 9.55, 2.8, 14.5
Again…..upward trend

Looking at the progress and it looks more and more like the Dallas game is a strange outlier…perhaps due to an injury…who knows….it just doesn’t fit the trend.

Again….all I see is slow, steady progress in just about every area. At some point it can’t just be about luck or bad defenses or whatever.

3 of Foles last 4 games have been damn impressive for ANY qb….and ridiculously impressive for a guy with his experience……

I expect the trends to continue….and by that I of course do not expect Foles to surpass what he did Sunday (ever), but I think its very reasonable to expect high 60%s 250-300 yards and 2-3 tds….that’s what his continual improvement points to.

Xevious
Xevious
November 6, 2013 8:10 am

Great post Vinnie, Seems all these People that are real Eagles fans forgot Foles was and Eagle. Haven’t heard from any of these people who scream Support the team when Vicks the QB. This is the heght of Hypocritical talk. When Vick had that great game against Washington, Which wasn’t as good as Foles game he got a new contract…AND HE SHOULD HAVE AT THE TIME. Foles has a better game and he can’t even get the rest of the year to prove it wasn’t a fluke. 9 GAMES!!! Thats all he started, THATS ALL. Give the kid the props and the season to play. He could be something special.

Zukny
November 6, 2013 9:54 am
Reply to  Xevious

We were all big Vick fans in 2010. Vick hasn’t been the same since. He had a bad 2011 and we hoped for a bounce back year in 2012 but instead we got got more of 2011 + Multiple Injuries. What i’m saying is that he deserved the contract in 2010, but never held up.

He hasn’t been the same. I’ve been a pretty big Foles supporter since he started to show some skill last season and now I’m pretty much all in. The argument is Foles > Vick or whatever has been irrelevant to me because to me it’s all about building a franchise and that starts w/ the QB.

I’m glad most people are starting to see things this way and now we can hopefully pick up some different pieces in the draft next year instead of going QB again.

Stevo
Stevo
November 6, 2013 2:17 pm
Reply to  Xevious

im right here and am saying support the team.

I said “best players play”. Foles is now the best player. So… he plays. Most on here are saying the same thing except for the Skin Fan and the girl.

Wake up- there really isnt many Vick fans…. Just guys who know it takes an entire team to win.

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
November 5, 2013 6:19 pm

“It was really more bad defense by the Raiders, than anything else”

Oh don’t say that. That will make you a Vickologist. lol

DCar
DCar
November 6, 2013 12:16 am
Reply to  tsjohnson5

10th ranked DF coming in. No excuses!

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
November 6, 2013 1:14 am
Reply to  DCar

10th in yards allowed. 20th overall.

Try again though.

DCar
DCar
November 6, 2013 1:53 am
Reply to  tsjohnson5

WOW, you got something correct for a change. Want a cookie? LOL! Just messing with ya, Sis. Getting too toxic on here. >XD

Xevious
Xevious
November 6, 2013 8:01 am
Reply to  tsjohnson5

yeah and how many others have played against a 20th or lesser ranked defense? This article and your excuses are dumb…New Orleans was the worst Defense ever last year and they didn’t give up 7 td’s from a single passer. It’s BS TS.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
November 5, 2013 6:38 pm

Good article by GCobb…he described perfectly why Foles game should be described as a good game by him but nothing special. When receivers are running wide open…the QB should be able to hit wide open receivers when there is no pass rush! I disagree with G about Vick…I think Foles will fold and Kelly will put Vick in if for no other reason to vigorate the running game! Foles has a chance…but I don’t think he is up to the challenge!

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 5, 2013 6:59 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

Nothing special? More touchdowns than incompletions the lunacy on here. I don’t know how good he will be but this was a special performance

pheags88
pheags88
November 5, 2013 7:33 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

LOL best game in NFL history is nothing special.

BTW there was no pass rush because it didn’t work.

Foles was 5-7 for 49 yards and 3 TDs against the blitz.

Why would the Raiders keep blitzing when they are getting scored on with every other blitz used?

You see stupid comments like this really make it obvious to see what really bothers people about Foles. There is just no other way to explain it.

Xevious
Xevious
November 6, 2013 8:05 am
Reply to  koolbreeze

STFU with this Vick Nonsense..he’s done. THis Kid threw more TD’s than Incompletions. It’s getting to the point of retardedness listening to the excuses. Let him finish the damn year…9TH fn start ever and he did what only 6 others in NFL history have done and a lot of you just want to rip him down. This article is Garbage G..You can ban me or edit me I don’t care but truly get real.

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 5, 2013 6:41 pm

It’s not a coincidence that the offensive line played a terrific game ,and the QB cleaner than a newly wiped baby’s ass ,played his ass off.Its not a coincidence that the coaches ,coached with a grasp of the guys on the field by trying to not fit a square peg into a round hole. It’s not a coincidence that the defense allowed with good play once again to put the offense back on the field in favorable field position.Its a team game ,the QB we are all so hungry for ,is possibly on the field and on the roster …this isn’t microwave popcorn ,let’s give the units ,and coaches time to brew and simmer …implementation of a 3-4 scheme ,a change in every coach imaginable ,a new signal caller ,everyone enjoy the ride ,put the seatbelt on ,as bumps ,inevitable as they are ,will happen and let’s not G put the weight of the entire city and the franchise on a 9 game starter …somebody once said ,get your popcorn ready..sit back ..enjoy ..go Birds

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
November 5, 2013 6:50 pm

I just went back and reexamined the 7 TD passes that Payton Manning threw earlier in the year against the Ravens…. Remarkably, I determined that it was a far less impressive performance by Manning.

I found that Manning’s receivers were open and all Manning had to do was throw the ball to them. LOL

What a crock of bullshit this article is……

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 5, 2013 7:03 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

Going into the game the Raiders had given up 10 passing tds over 7 games.

Then they gave up 7 in one game, because they suddenly became pathetic.

This is the narrative that we’re running with??

slick1
slick1
November 5, 2013 10:30 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

I agree. Where’s G’s detailed analysis of Peyton’s seven TDs? I’m sure conditions were exactly the same.

Everz11
Everz11
November 5, 2013 6:55 pm

This article isn’t about G being a “Vickpologist”. In fact, G points out, “First of all, I want to be clear that Michael Vick is now out of the future plans of this football team. It’s ok to still be skeptical with Foles, and G is apparently skeptical. Most fans are too, myself included. However, I am encouraged with what I’ve seen from Foles. This was my hope from the beginning of the season in a rebuilding year. That a young QB would play and improve with each game of added experience. Absent the horrific Dallas game, I have seen that in Foles play and to me that is hope that this team is building toward perennial play-off contention. If Foles can be the guy, that saves us at least 1 or 2 seasons finding and grooming a QB, where we could be building a nasty “D” and make a real run next season.

Everz11
Everz11
November 5, 2013 7:00 pm

Irish I agree, 7 td passes is 7 TD passes.

pdiddy
pdiddy
November 5, 2013 7:10 pm

What’s crazy is that it seems more people want to be right on here than anything else. Like I am not a Vick fan but if he threw 7 td’s this weekend, I would be happy for him and the Eagles. I am an Eagle fan first so the fact that my team’s quarterback had a great game is good enough for me. Fact is no other quarterback in Eagle history has done this so let’s embrace and enjoy the moment. Instead of picking apart every td he threw it’s ridiculous.

E-money
E-money
November 5, 2013 11:00 pm
Reply to  pdiddy

You are incorrect, Adrian Burk threw 7 touchdowns in a game back in 1954 against the Redskins.

jakedog
jakedog
November 5, 2013 7:10 pm

Gcobb, disgraceful reporting, what is your point

You say Vick is out of the equation, so let the man foles play it out , we do not know where he will ever be in the future but we know foles is the best option moving forward

But you still deny the man his props, what are your accomplishments, you were an average to below average stiff, what records do you hold, but you want to muck rake and ignite controversy with the wooden indian club for brains

Terrible, gcobb, terrible

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 5, 2013 7:14 pm

So to review

td1 – patient in the pocket for the throw
td2 – great throw, accurate and on the $$
td3 – looked the safety off to his right, then threw left
td4 – rolled right, bought time and found an open te
td5 – sent McCoy in motion and made a great observation that no one went in motion to cover him….in other words – a great read
td6 – looked the safety off to the left, then threw right
td7 – threw a nice pass out in front of his wr while rolling right

Hmm. Good reads. Adjustments at the LOS. Looking off safties. Pump faking. Throwing perfect strikes on the run. Putting the ball where only his wrs could get to it.

I can understand how we might not like this.

Nothing special.

Just a bad D.

This shit is amazing to me.

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
November 6, 2013 8:23 am

Your way too obsessed with Nick Foles. Lay off for your own health and the health of this site. Its become more than football, its all about being right all the time. We get that Foles played a good historic game and core Eagles fans are happy about that and getting the win, but you Vinnie, you’ve gone off the deep end buddy…

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
November 5, 2013 7:16 pm

you know whats crazy about all of this is if andy reid was still here foles hands down would be the qb of the future for us no dout but since Kelly wants a running qb so foles is in dout then but with that said only way im getting rid of foles is if I get trade him for a 1st rd pick for him then if you do that your banking on a rookie to lead this team when I already know what I have in foles why roll the dice on a rookie when you might already have your qb for the next 10years if I can get a 1&4 for him then I trade him if not then he is here and my 1st rd pick is a olb or o-lineman or cb not qb

slick1
slick1
November 5, 2013 10:35 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

You’re using logic. That’s a foreign concept apparently.

jakedog
jakedog
November 5, 2013 7:28 pm

You fuckers dont have the guts, the temerity to really address what is going on here with this disgraceful, dishonorable journalism, so-called, well put your fucking diapers on, suck on your pacifiers and listen up

If Terrell Pryor had the day foles had and you heard in response this bull shit crap that the defense wasn’t that good, they fell down, there would be rampant cries of racism

It is not te majority of blacks, it’s the repugnant few, disgraceful nonetheless, welcome to the club gcobb

jakedog
jakedog
November 5, 2013 7:34 pm

Until prejudice was eradicated they said Jackie Robinon wasn’t the guy, fuck you gcobb you racist

greenfan
greenfan
November 5, 2013 7:39 pm

When evaluating Foles over his first 9 starts in the NFL, one thing that needs to be recognized is that he is very good at preventing interceptions. McNabb was also very good under Reid at limiting INTs also.

In comparison over the same number of starts, Foles has had only 4 interceptions, and that includes the 2 that he threw in his first game. If you look at Geno Smith over the same 9 game period, he has thrown for 13 interceptions.

It cannot be overemphasized the importance of limiting turnovers. It keeps pressure off of your defense and it leads to better field position. This is common sense, but something that I have not heard addressed very much when looking at Foles. Even in that disastrous Dallas game, Foles did not throw an interception (of course he couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn that day either).

We need to get more of a look at him, but the more and more he plays, the closer we will be to seeing who this guy really is.

Biglion821
Biglion821
November 5, 2013 7:58 pm

Damn G just pissed in your cereal and now everyone is upset, listen all he did was basically say what the head coach said which is he’s the starter next week. And let me be equally clear Vick is not in the equation next year.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
November 5, 2013 8:47 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

He didn’t piss in anybody’s cereal – he’s not in position to do anything but show his resentment.

At the end of the day, Nick Foles’ uniform, cleats, and helmet, along with the ball that he threw to Cooper for the 7 TD will be on display at the Football Hall of Fame.

I’m sure that brings out some resentment and jealousy in some people. Guys like Cobb see Vick’s career ending and Foles uniform going to Canton. Of course, he is going to try to minimize the significance of Foles’ accomplishment. It’s petty human nature..

Biglion821
Biglion821
November 5, 2013 10:54 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

Irish there are guys uniforms in the HOF who were forgotten before the next season started, why in the world would G be jealous of Nick Foles? Damn you guys are ridiculous just remember that his UNIFORM is going to the HOF. His HEAD COACH has given him the right to earn first team snaps. I guess old Chip is jealous of Nick too?

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
November 6, 2013 6:30 am
Reply to  Biglion821

I don’t see Chip writing two articles frantically trying to downplay Foles’ accomplishment.

It’s one thing to just keep quite about it and not to make a big deal about it – kinda like Chip and Foles are doing… But to go out of your way critique his TD passes shows a level of resentment.

Who else does that? There are several “all 22” articles on the net highlighting Foles great passing during that game.

GCobb’s horse lost the race and he is pissed – at least that’s how it comes off…..

Biglion821
Biglion821
November 6, 2013 7:20 am
Reply to  IrishEagle

So now you can read G’s mind? The reason why Chip is downplaying it? Just look 3 weeks ago against Dallas. He is a better football player then what he showed against Dallas, he’s not as great a football player as what we saw Sunday. What’s the problem? This is G’s site his thoughts are his. He can write whatever he wants. Why as so many trying to validate what he did? If you have to wonder why Peyton’s performance wasn’t picked apart and Foles performance was then that says more about you then G.

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
November 6, 2013 7:28 am
Reply to  Biglion821

Folk have been crowning Nick Foles as the future starter of the Eagles since pre-season 2011. And he has yet to live up to those lofty goals…after repeated opps to do so.

With that said he has (yet again) another opp to show that he should be the unquestioned starter moving forward and we can use those draft picks to fill in other needs.

This is one of those things that will work itself out. It has in the past. It will again.

Xevious
Xevious
November 6, 2013 8:18 am
Reply to  tsjohnson5

Yet again?? Your a disgrace you constantly toot the horn of a 12 year loser to get chance after chance after chance….But a kid that just tossed 7 TD’s gets yet another chance? After 9 career starts mind you. Another thing if your guy Vick played Half as well as you claim he does not a damn person would be wanting Foles to start since preseason 2011. Frankly we haven’t seen a day like that ever and you have constantly brought it down cause it wasn’t your guy. This story and your garbage is infuriating.

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
November 6, 2013 9:55 am
Reply to  tsjohnson5

So let me get this straight, Xevious? you’re getting upset with TSj…for not waving pom pom’s for Foles just yet? Did you ever have pom pom’s waving for Vick when he played a good game? Or did you shit on his good games just like the rest of these cats on here….We’ve heard the same excuses from the “anti Vick club” about Vick when he performed well…was because of bad defense, corner slipped, blown coverage, he still missed a receiver, he still held the ball too long…so on and so on…You guys are hypocritical because you only see shit in your view. Truth is Eagles won, defense played great and the kid Foles was ‘ridiculous’ he played the type of game he had to have to be the starter of this team! Vick isn’t/wasn’t going to be around forever, but I and many others will be Eagles fan forever.

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
November 6, 2013 11:05 am
Reply to  tsjohnson5

LMAO! You’re so predictable. My post had nothing to with Vick…yet you couldn’t resist talking about him. Way to go.

lol

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 6, 2013 11:20 am
Reply to  tsjohnson5

who crowned him starter last pre-season? who? a third round pick? you are delusional to say the least….
‘repeated opportunities? what in 9 games? his opportunities have come only after your messiah was hurt…you do realize that foles has 13 TD’s and 0 interceptions don’t you? thats not making the most of an opportunity? hmmm interesting

Xevious
Xevious
November 6, 2013 11:43 am
Reply to  tsjohnson5

TS your a Dummy, all your viterol comes from you Pining for Vick. Did you think that after all the posts you make it wouldn’t be evident, even if not written? You are campaigning, and you are a Stooge straight up. Predictable in that I am calling you out on your nonsense.

As for you Fraudtalk..Good to see you finally comment on Wednesday…Im sure if Foles did badly you would have been commenting Sunday night. I know busy schedule and all…..We have had many “debates” and I give Vick props when he deserves them. You like seeing what you want and Comprehending what you feel is relavant. Hypocrisy is your middle name. Im fair your Delusional. See ya

Xevious
Xevious
November 6, 2013 11:44 am
Reply to  tsjohnson5

Sorry for some mispelling, Im under the weather.

mhenski
mhenski
November 6, 2013 1:22 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

“who crowned him starter last pre-season? who? a third round pick? you are delusional to say the least…”

this will never get answered. frauds like ts just write and think up a bunch of shit and then shit their shit out on this board. she has never backed up anything she has ever said here.

vick puts butts in seats lmfao

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
November 6, 2013 1:39 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

Xevious you’re an idiot.

It’s not a Vick vs. Foles issue. It’s a Foles vs. Draft a QB issue. I have consistently said Vick was a one year rental and wasn’t likely to be here next year…so what exactly am I pining for?

Qb was always going to be a need in 2014. The question is do we draft one, or roll with the ones we have. As much as you claim I’ve been wrong, or don’t know what I’m talking about…I haven’t.

You guys are so schizophrenic it’s hilarious. Tampa game – Oh it’s his job. Dallas game – oh who are we going to get in the draft. Raiders game – Oh Foles the next Joe Montana.

LMAO! This, as it has any number of times, will play itself out. I’m not sold on Foles..and that has nothing to do with Vick ’cause Vick won’t be here next year. Foles is likely starting the rest of the games this season and then we will have a clearer picture of what he looks like (again) and what our needs will be.

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
November 6, 2013 1:45 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

” she has never backed up anything she has ever said here.”

Hmm…
– I said Kelly should be the head coach and would be a good one, while folk were pining for Gus Bradley
– I said there should be a QB comp
– I said Vick would win that QB comp
– I said the run game would take a hit with Foles (and gave a very specific reasons why)
– I said we’d win both the Tampa and Raiders games when folk were oh so worried that we weren’t
– I said we’d win the Dallas game (was wrong about that)

So yeah…exactly what have I been wrong about? Where is this list of wrong? I’m definitely doing much better than Vinnie and his crew.

Xevious
Xevious
November 6, 2013 1:52 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

Keep telling yourself your right. I have said from day one Foles should start this season. All you have been saying is we need to win this season. I was told by you and others not to be so negative. To sit there and Lie bold face like that just points to your character. Change your opinion like a bad suit. I said after the Dallas game continue to start Foles. I Know exactly what you said also. Try fooling someone else with your revisionist history. Dummy

Xevious
Xevious
November 6, 2013 1:59 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

Ps for TS….The worst I will ever do is call you dummy. For the most part you are respectful and you are a lady. I just wish it wasn’t like pulling teeth trying to find common ground as birds fans.

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
November 6, 2013 2:16 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

” All you have been saying is we need to win this season.”

Um…yes I did say that and I continue to say that. I haven’t changed my opinion on that yet.

“To sit there and Lie bold face like that just points to your character. Change your opinion like a bad suit. I said after the Dallas game continue to start Foles. I Know exactly what you said also. Try fooling someone else with your revisionist history. Dummy”

Um..what revisionist history? Vick is out due to injury so he can’t play. He’s likely won’t be healthy enough to play ’till after the bye. It’s Foles show. And there are very few scenarios where you’d start Vick again with Foles having played so many games…particularly if we’re winning.

So no at this point it is NOT a Vick vs. Foles issue. Injury took him out of the equation. I also have CONSISTENTLY said Vick was a one year rental – never said anything else.

Foles shouldn’t have started this season. There was a comp, he lost. That’s what it was. Now the starter is down and he’s playing. This isn’t complicated. A healthy Vick and Foles wouldn’t be playing.

My opinion is consistent. We – win now. Not worry about the future by playing a player to “see” what he has. We will “see” what Foles has now ’cause he’s the starter…see how that works…now is going to remaint he starter…I don’t know, that’s why I said likely. Truth is I have no idea what Kelly is going to do once Vick is healthy enough to play (whenever that may be). But I’m ASSUMING he rides with Foles if he continues to play well.

No changing of opinion there. None at all.

mhenski
mhenski
November 6, 2013 2:58 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

” I have consistently said Vick was a one year rental and wasn’t likely to be here next year…”

LIES LIES LIES

“Tampa game – Oh it’s his job. Dallas game – oh who are we going to get in the draft. Raiders game – Oh Foles the next Joe Montana. ”

WHO WHO WHO SAID THIS??????????

mhenski
mhenski
November 6, 2013 3:01 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

“” she has never backed up anything she has ever said here.”

Hmm…
– I said Kelly should be the head coach and would be a good one, while folk were pining for Gus Bradley
– I said there should be a QB comp
– I said Vick would win that QB comp
– I said the run game would take a hit with Foles (and gave a very specific reasons why)
– I said we’d win both the Tampa and Raiders games when folk were oh so worried that we weren’t
– I said we’d win the Dallas game (was wrong about that)

So yeah…exactly what have I been wrong about? Where is this list of wrong? I’m definitely doing much better than Vinnie and his crew.”

HEY STUPID DID I SAY YOU HAVE BEEN WRONG? I SAID YOU DONT BACK UP ANYTHING YOU SAY. MEANING IF WHEN YOU THROW YOUR NONSENSE MADE UP DIARRHEA IN THE AIR AND SOMEONE ASKS YOU TO BACK UP YOUR SHIT POINT YOU NEVER BACK IT UP.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING WRONG AND BACKING UP A POINT?

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
November 6, 2013 3:15 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

Xero, Are you really looking for when RealTalk comments? haha get off my nuts! By the way real talk commented on Monday about how well Foles played and how happy I was for the W…again, my life is bigger than GCobb…I’ll comment when I can…

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
November 6, 2013 3:21 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

name calling is name calling Xero…you calling someone dummy is no better than calling someone a dumbass, dumbass!

Xevious
Xevious
November 6, 2013 4:32 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

real fraud…..yeap your a fake a fraud and a genius all wrapped up in one package

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
November 9, 2013 9:34 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

Um..where did I ever say Vick was going to be here next year?

I’ll wait.

The closest I came to saying Vick MIGHT be around next year is if we made a playoff run. And then there was a SLIM possibility he’d be here. But I NEVER said he’d be here next year..hence the “one year rental.”

It was his job. Where is that a lie? Please.

I like how folk tell me what I didn’t say..but have no proof to the contrary.

As far as the rest..as usual your in ability to form coherent arguments shows. I regularly back up what I say. It’s hard to be right as often as I have and not. But keep with that BS.

Typical.

concrete_marley
concrete_marley
November 5, 2013 8:05 pm

Shut up Jake you’re the biggest racist on this site. This article is obviously an attempt to drive traffic/comments by manipulating nitwits like yourself. Everyone knows Foles is the starter now. We have moved on one way or another. If Foles looks bad the rest of the way we will draft a QB and cross our fingers.

I’m not sure what more Foles could do to impress some if u, but he impressed me. It’s a no brainer.

And as far as the wide open receivers, duh! It’s not possible to throw for 7 TDs in the nfl unless everyone is wide open! I heard not one person say that Peyton’s 7 TD game was anything less than spectacular.

Xevious
Xevious
November 6, 2013 8:19 am

No they don’t concrete, they have no clue. Read the hypocrisy on here.

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 5, 2013 8:24 pm

G I’m not a mathematician but 7 touchdown vs any nfl team in 3/4qs is pretty fucking good.he may not be the guy for the next 10 years ,he maybe in canton by then …stop with the bullshit for the sake of being controversial …

Zukny
November 6, 2013 9:43 am
Reply to  deserteagle

His clothes are already on the way!

jakedog
jakedog
November 5, 2013 8:48 pm

I am a racist because big Jake points our the disparity in treatment you are the racist Marley, you ran with it as long as you could, before foles showed his record setting promise. You were always a Vick slurp job, now you have no choice, you are a funny sad dude

jakedog
jakedog
November 5, 2013 8:52 pm

Feint praise by this pussy Marley

concrete_marley
concrete_marley
November 6, 2013 1:42 pm
Reply to  jakedog

Another in the long line of stupid jakedog comments. Show me one post where I disparaged Foles? If like to think I’m one of the more even keel posters on this site. I’m a man in control of my emotions unlike u Jake. I’ve said it a million times, I support the birds 100% and whoever is the starting QB gets that support as well until he proves beyond a doubt that he sucks.

Jake if u were an actual person instead of the inhuman scum that you are I might be offended by ur insults but alas, u are who you are. Have a great day sugar.

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
November 5, 2013 10:02 pm

Ridiculous article. I am not sure that he is the guy either, but he has earned the right to start the next 7 games so we can find out. Did you feel like your other article wasn’t enough, so you wanted to try to discount 7 tds?

Which QB do you like in the draft then G. They are not going to get Bridewater. Boyd is VY 2.0. Hundley probably won’t come out and he poops the bed in big games (which is really dissapointing to me). Miller looks like a run first QB who is not that accurate except for when he has wide open WRs. Don’t give me Carr or Mannion from Oregon St, becuase they haven’t played anybody. McCarron? No.

Who do you think is going to come in from day 1 to make a difference? I am not sold on any of those guys.

paulman
paulman
November 5, 2013 10:31 pm

The way I look at things as far as Team Sports goes,
Who knows who has it and who doesn’t ..
Hie nany Pjayers have had great starts to their Careers only to be average over a props of time, just like how many average Players have we watched who cath fire at the right time and all of a sudden, they reach Superstar Ststus by the Media and Fans alike (Eli Manning and Joe Flacco come to mind as recent example.. Football is the ultimate Team Sport with 53 Players, lots of Ciaches and Staff that have to have a lot of things go their way to nake a Super Bowl
After Dan Marino early Career getting to a Super Bowl in his first mSeadon or Two only never to return.. Then we see Journeymen QB’s like Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer win Super Bowls with Great Defenses/Special Teams and good Coaching, it’s about the Team
I believe all this Chatter about Foles on whether he’s a franchise type or not is a waste of Time and energy, the reality is that he is the Stsrter right now and probably will remain so for the 2013 Season which has 7 Games left a against NFC Conference opponents so the Eagłes have a chance this week to get back to 5-5 which should be the Focus and if they can beat the Lackers up in Green Bay, I like their chances to win the NFC East ..

E-money
E-money
November 5, 2013 11:09 pm

I don’t have an issue taking a wait and see approach. To me it’s fairly simple, if Foles stays healthy for the rest of the year and runs the offense as he did against the Giants Tampa and Oakland, he’ll be our starter next year with Barkley as the backup. If Foles looks like the QB we saw in the Dallas game, hw won’t. I’m guessing we’ll see more good than bad from him and nothing as bad as the Dallas game (I’m convinced he was concussed early in the game).

It is sad how having a black and a white quarterback compete for the starting job really brings out the ugly in people on both sides of the coin.
These 2 men are probably very good friends at this point in their careers and wish nothing but success for each other.

Zukny
November 6, 2013 9:35 am
Reply to  E-money

You are right that it does. Even more so when they brought in Chip Kelly and the argument for a “Running Quarterback” makes it even worse. Stereo-typically speaking most running Quarterbacks are black.

For me the worst comment I heard on Philadelphia radio was when Hollis Thomas was comparing Quarterbacks to Vick.

Vick > Stafford, Dalton, A Smith, Rivers, Matt Ryan, Cutler, I think even Eli Manning.

But worse than: Geno Smith,

The co-radio host forced Hollis Thomas to back up his statement and take it back… But when I heard that I was just annoyed to no end. Maybe it wasn’t racism and just straight up stupidity… but if these radio hosts are that dumb, then why are they on the radio? I’d much rather employ the excuse that it was simply racism talking and nothing more.

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
November 5, 2013 11:33 pm

Which QB in the Draft or has shown you that they CAN throw 7 TD’s against an NFL defense and No interceptions?

That’s Right NONE. N.O.N.E NONE.

We have a 24- TWENTY FOUR- year old QB that HAS thrown 7 TD’s in the NFL.

He should not only get the rest of this year but he should get a contract and the chance to develop. He has played better in his 9 starts than most rookies including Manning who was terrible.

He may never be a Hall of Famer, He may never win a Super Bowl, but Any QB you bring in here May also never do those things. Find me a sure Fire Superbowl QB. Brady – Not for sale and aging. Manning not for sale and aging. Rodgers- broken collar bone. Flacco (Foles may be better than Flacco in 2 years time) Enough.

If Foles were Black there wouldn’t be any argument but some of you Want to paint a guy WHO JUST THREW 7 TD’s as Bobby Hoying or Kevin Kolb becuase he is just another white QB. Please get over YOUR HATE.

TRUTH is Foles is and has BEEN better than VICK but I get called a Racist because I don’t like a running QB and Vick happens to be Black. If we draft Johnny Football I will hate it because I think Running your #1 asset (qb) is STUPID.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 6, 2013 5:43 am
Reply to  RegalEagle

Foles was better than Vick last season. He has been better than Vick this season. Vick was better against Jacksonville in the preseason.

So he’s clearly better Regal. If you don’t see that its because you have a white sheet in the closet.

Preseason baby. That’s all that matters to some of these clowns.

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
November 6, 2013 11:11 am

The result of preseason should have your stupid ass off this site though….correct? only if you were a man of your word!

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
November 5, 2013 11:39 pm

One more thing.

A month ago I said that with Foles at QB you would see a poor mans version of the Denver Offense.

I believe I was very accurate. If we could get 1 or two BIG WR and move DJack to the welker role- BINGO more 7TD games to come.

DCar
DCar
November 6, 2013 12:36 am

What some of you guys are, in the Wrestling business, are called “Marks.” All these constant articles about the QB’s, are written to get dopes like you guys to argue, rip each other, & take sides. Vick is a major polarizing figure, that will always bring controversy, on here. Any real Birds fan, with an ably functioning brain, knows that Vick is a 12 year failure, injury prone smurf, that should have never been brought back this year, & that he is finished here. Foles will get the rest of the year to prove if he’s consistent enough, to be a long term answer. If not, we have a draft with many good, high ceiling QB’s coming out of the draft. The Vick slurpers can’t handle the reality, that their false idol, is a fraud, & is done, while the Foles supporters, are anointing him the future QB unwarrantedly, because they are desperate for a good QB. I just want a F^#@ING SB. I don’t give a f^#@ who it is, as long as Vick is out of the equation.

Xevious
Xevious
November 6, 2013 9:12 am
Reply to  DCar

Why do we have to even put up with this agenda driven nonsense?

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 6, 2013 5:39 am

In 13 games of significance (where he played the majority of the game)
Hoying was 53% 2100 yrds 10tds and 15 ints

In the 10 games of significance (where he played the majority of the game)
Foles is 61% 2400 yrds 18tds 5 ints

In Hoying’s 9th game he want 13 of 23 for 121 0tds and 1 int
In Foles 9th game he went 22 of 28 for 406 7 tds and 0 ints

Can we put away the Hoying comparisons please. They’re pathetic reaches.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 6, 2013 5:41 am

Sorry 2700, not 2400.

But the comparison is pathetic no matter how you slice it.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
November 6, 2013 6:48 am

Here’s how most others feel, Cobb.

Comparing Peyton Manning and Nick Foles’ Seven-Touchdown Masterpieces…. Let’s compare.

Foles threw seven touchdowns in just 28 passes. Manning needed 42 passes. Foles posted a perfect passer rating (158.3). Manning’s was 141.4. Foles didn’t take a single sack. Manning was sacked three times. Manning may have faced a better defense, but Foles played with a significantly worse supporting cast.

He also won against a solid defense on the road.

And most important of all, he finished his seven-touchdown game with four minutes remaining in the third quarter. That’s the part that isn’t being talked about enough. He didn’t just tie the record. He tied it with one-third of the game remaining.

Nick Foles turned in the more impressive performance in his seven-touchdown game.

Biglion821
Biglion821
November 6, 2013 7:53 am
Reply to  IrishEagle

Let me say this the most impressive thing about Sunday was how Foles came out and had the mental toughness to leave the Cowboy game behind him. No if’s or but’s he played great.

Xevious
Xevious
November 6, 2013 8:21 am
Reply to  Biglion821

Thank you Big for having the class to admit that.

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
November 6, 2013 11:14 am
Reply to  Xevious

Thank you Big? you act as if you were the one throwing the damn TD passes…..

Xevious
Xevious
November 6, 2013 11:47 am
Reply to  RealTalk777

Yes cause Big has class unlike you. I have tried to be civil with you and you always get ridiculous. Big is being fair and not tooting his own horn or denying the truth like others on here. I don’t see eye to eye with him all the time but he is civil and tries to be rational with people who disagree with him. Doesn’t always work but I respect him for that.

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
November 6, 2013 12:16 pm
Reply to  Xevious

Again, you have one view…maybe I feel attacked by you when you respond at times, which makes me get “ridiculous” as you say…But honestly I could careless what you think of me, cuz I honestly don’t care for you much…I’m not on here trying to make any friends…I have enough of them already! So fuck you and your opinion of my class! You aint shit, don’t mean shit, opinion don’t mean shit…

Xevious
Xevious
November 6, 2013 1:57 pm
Reply to  RealTalk777

Haha First time I ever posted on here you called me a dumbass…Ive given you chance after chance not to drop to the least common denominator..but alas you always do. Im not gonna cuss you out cause it doesn’t mean anything to you. Its how you communicate.

mhenski
mhenski
November 6, 2013 3:04 pm
Reply to  RealTalk777

TRASHMAN GOT THE DAY OFF!!!!!!!!!

BirdoBeamen
BirdoBeamen
November 6, 2013 7:37 am

Foles is the QB of this team. Case closed.

Biglion821
Biglion821
November 6, 2013 7:55 am
Reply to  BirdoBeamen

For the sake of this team, I hope your right Birdo!!!

Xevious
Xevious
November 6, 2013 8:22 am
Reply to  Biglion821

I do too, so we can draft Mike Evans WR Texas A&M

Biglion821
Biglion821
November 6, 2013 8:52 am

We are Eagles fans I refused to bury Foles after the Dallas game because we have seen enough wannabes here in Philly to last a lifetime, it’s not about Vi k/Foles or whoever we need to be settled at the QB position in order to improve this football team period. And I am guilty of this as well, wait Barkley is a stiff sorry guys had to get that in LOL, we cannot as fans rip guys to shreds who we need to be rooting for. This entire discussion is crazy our QB threw 7 TD’s in a game and we all cannot be happy with that ? What is wrong with that picture?

Xevious
Xevious
November 6, 2013 12:02 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Big I think we have both made stands against this before…I don’t know what to tell ya. We watch other teams have QB days like that and its like why not us? First thing ya see is bad defense, Dallas game blah blah blah…Agenda driven garbage. This game is up there with Donovans Monday Night game with Dallas in 2004 and Vicks game in Washington in 2010. I guarantee we didn’t see this kind of brow beating. Games like that are few and far between..Plus it’s dudes 9th start…9th? That says a lot.

btc24
btc24
November 6, 2013 9:15 am

Some of you Vick guys are unbelievable. Look, I’m not ready to anoint Foles as our future but holy shit, what more could he have done against the Raiders? You want to sit here and nit pick at how bad the Raiders defense was. What Foles did was nothing shy of AMAZING. There’s a reason only SIX, I repeat SIX, other QBs in history have thrown 7 TDs in a game. Do you not think Tom Brady has played terrible defenses? Do you not think Joe Montana, Steve Young, John Elway, Brett Favre, Drew Brees, etc, etc, have all played a TON of god awful defenses in their long, hall of fame careers?

Again, I’m not saying Foles should be the guy without further evaluation for the rest of the season, but I don’t want to hear anything that picks at his performance this past weekend because there is literally nothing more he could have done. Now let’s all hope he continues to perform like he did against TB, NYG, and OAK when he goes into GB this week.

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
November 6, 2013 9:16 am

Agree 100%. WE should boycott this thread and the other one that G posted.

Zukny
November 6, 2013 9:20 am

It’s articles like these that make me really hope Foles does it again.

Let’s look through history real fast. How often has: Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, 5 Loves you, and so on have achieved this?

One has to think that w/ each HOF QB or top QB in the league, they probably faced the worst DEFENSE in the league at least 5 to 10 times in their career.

Yet, 7 people have done this. 3 did it w/ out Interceptions and only 1 has done it within 3 Quarters and only 1 has done it w/ a perfect QBR.

Foles needs PROPS

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
November 6, 2013 9:33 am

This entire discussion is crazy our QB threw 7 TD’s in a game and we all cannot be happy with that ?

Most of us are happy – GCobb is the only vindictive asshole who can’t stand to see the young man do well, because he doesn’t fit his desires… You can decide for yourself what Cobb’s desires are….

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 6, 2013 9:46 am
Reply to  IrishEagle

Its NOT enough.

Told all year that when given a chance, Foles must…what was the line….seize his opportunity? Take the reins? Immediately succeed….whatever it was.

So he comes in cold vs NYG and runs a beautiful 1 min drive for a score. Then shreds them in the second half. Then he tears the Bucs apart. Then he stumbles (probably hurt), then he comes back and has one of the best QB performances ever seen.

Nope.

Not enough.

Not “proving it”.

He has to be better than Vick in order for…..wait….that can’t be the standard. He’s so far beyond Vick it isn’t even measureable.

SO that’s not it….must be a reason why tearing new assholes out of 3 of the last 4 NFL teams he’s faced, setting records in the process isn’t enough.

Why isn’t it enough…..why at the start of threads like these are we still saying its the terrible D? Why 2 days after this performance is TS’s first post about the Dallas game? Why is Koolbreeze still hoping Foles will ‘fold’. Why is Skayne down in his basement burning effigies to Vick and sticking needles into his Foles doll?

I got it.

He can’t run fast.

‘Cause that’s what’s important.

Zukny
November 6, 2013 1:22 pm

Brilliant!

Stevo
Stevo
November 6, 2013 2:40 pm

Sipleton!!

The question is not “is he better than Vick”. Who cares about Vick? (sorry- you do)

The questions are…

1. Is he good enough to be a franchise QB?

This is what you said Vinnie about your beloved Kevin Kolb…

vinnietheevictor
October 17, 2010 – 4:52 pm

“Like I said earlier, maybe they should fly Kolb’s father in for every game. Seemed like a good influence!Kolb getting better every game.
Does Kolb still have a rubber arm? Can he still not make the throws? Has he still “showed nothing to show me he can be an NFL QB” etc etc.”

Yes- he DID still have a noodle arm. He was not as good as you thought. And although your Vick hate was strong then(i didnt realize your stalking went back this far), you clearly lost objectivity.

So- To answer the question- We dont know know if he’s good enough to be the franchise QB. Notice- this has nothing to do with Vick

2) Can he do this while under pressure?- WE DONT KNOW YET!!! Again- nothing to do with Vick.

So- relax, try and enjoy a game. And dont lose objectivity because of hate.

Zukny
November 6, 2013 2:46 pm
Reply to  Stevo

Kolb actually played well in the west coast offense while he was here in Philly, but everyone accepted Vick as the starter by mid season of 2010. Vick took the job right out from under Kolb and he cemented himself that year.

By the beginning of 2012 though.. that love for Vick was gone again.

Could Kolb have succeeded here? I think most believed he could become an Alex Smith type of Quarterback at best. Foles has the ability to be much better than that.

Stevo
Stevo
November 6, 2013 3:03 pm
Reply to  Zukny

with a weak arm and Djax on the outside? no.
With injury after injury? No.

Xevious
Xevious
November 6, 2013 4:39 pm
Reply to  Stevo

Stevo,

It has everything to do with Vick. How are we supposed to know if Foles can be a franchise QB unless he plays. I myself have been frustrated because we get the same garbage for 3 years shoveled our way and now it was a fourth. We all know what Vick’s limitations are, but you have no idea what this kids ceiling can be unless you play him. In retrospective all this arguing was fruitless because Vick always gets hurt. I really don’t want to waste next years number one on a QB. Im hoping Foles plays out the string and does well. Then we take Mike Evans and some defense.

Stevo
Stevo
November 6, 2013 5:12 pm
Reply to  Xevious

x, you know Foles is playing.. right?

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 6, 2013 9:51 am

I pray that he throws 8 tds next week so TS can tell me again how bad the GB D is and how Foles “has yet to live up to those lofty goals…after repeated opps to do so.”

7 tds in a game isn’t meeting “lofty goals”

So, very begrudginly the Eagles will….’sigh’ ….have to give him an opportunity ‘yet again’.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
November 6, 2013 10:11 am

GB, Detroit, Chicago, Arizona, Vikings, Washington, cowboys. They are coming for Nick — Nick has to just survive that gauntlet of NFC Blitzers and QB Killers.
There is still a concern about Foles durability.
I was screaming for Nick to be yanked in that Dallas game. F Oakland you have to beat the Cowboys not be the sole reason on the field the Eagles can’t beat the Cowboys.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 6, 2013 10:42 am

With Rogers out, there are 4 wins there I think (GB, Ariz, Viks, and one from the Det/Chic/Wsh/Boys)

Couple of good defensive challenges for the kid (Ariz, Chic, Minn) so we’ll see how he does. And I am very interested to see how he does in his 3rd game ws washington and of course the return vs Dallas. How a qb handles a team in a second meeting is always terrible important – both have film and experience – can he improve in that situation?

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
November 6, 2013 10:14 am

For ole time’s sake, lets get back to bashing the little fella.I wonder what hat Vick will have on the sidelines this week and how he will wear it?

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 6, 2013 10:24 am

Way to go GCOBB!!!! CHA CHING!!!$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
November 6, 2013 10:35 am
Reply to  haveacigar

here’s my two bits to enter

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
November 6, 2013 10:34 am

You see guys like Payton, and Brees, and Dan Marino, and Matt Ryan and many others throw 4 – 5,even 6 interception in a game- have QB ratings in the 40s, and just stink-up the field in isolated games during their careers. Most times early in their careers…. They all get through it….

But Foles has a terrible game and these assholes act like it the worse game ever played by a quarterback. Guess what – it’s not… Tom Brady has played worse games and he worked out okay….

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
November 6, 2013 10:37 am
Reply to  IrishEagle

just don’t have one of those bad games at home against the Cowboys in a starting QB tryout, that is the trifecta of no-no’s

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 6, 2013 10:51 am

The idea that one game is a ‘tryout’ is stupid in the first place. You cannot be so quick to crucify a young QB who barfs up a shitter in his 8th start. They all barf up shitters along the way.

The only things to take from the shitter are: Can he recover? And more importantly, Can he avoid making the same mistakes? The Oakland game answered ‘yes’ to both of those questions.

Of course, just as one failure is not enough to crucify the kid (as many were quick to do), so can we not go too bezerk over this performance (though it was pretty damned spectacular)

I need to see more. And I especially need to see the ‘return’ games against Washington and Dallas.

And know this. I EXPECT Foles will have another bad game somewhere along the line (Chicago perhaps?) he’s probably going to throw 1 td and 3 ints or something. Its the following week that I’m more concerned about.

As we all should be.

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
November 6, 2013 4:41 pm

Agree BUT (yeah I know)

I truly believe Foles was concussed early in that Cowboys game. He held the ball longer than ever- He threw passes like he was seeing triple and slow. Then after he just couldn’t get anywhere he comes out with a concussion. Really believe that he did not want to come out and did not report a problem or he did and knowing about Barkley they tried to get him through and he can never say that so he sticks with the company line (I had a bad day)

daggolden
daggolden
November 6, 2013 11:13 am

Credit where credit is due. All I know is Nick Foles has 9 starts and 3 player of the week awards lol. I also believe in Chip Kellys offense once it gets rolling I expect to see more 5,6,7 td games. That fast paced offense will give the QB many games with high scoring results ala Oregon.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 6, 2013 1:29 pm

But its a national thing:

From USA today:
But the best scenario for Kelly could very well be that Foles fails, and Philadelphia has a shot at drafting a quarterback that fits his system better than either current option. Kelly’s former quarterback and current Heisman contender Marcus Mariota will be on the board after all.

The best scenario is for Foles to fail….so we can get another scrambler in here. Hey TS – did you pay the guy to write this for you?

btc24
btc24
November 6, 2013 1:35 pm

Brian Baldinger said on 97.5 the other day that he questions if Mariota will even come out this year. It’s not a given. Everyone needs to realize that THE BEST thing for the Eagles would be for Foles to prove that he’s the guy so we can start to address other areas of this team. If anyone thinks otherwise, then I can’t help you.

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
November 6, 2013 4:43 pm
Reply to  btc24

Said it in MARCH!!!!!!!

Stevo
Stevo
November 6, 2013 1:40 pm

you missed the point (not surprised)…

the point was stated in the first line- “the best scenario for Kelly”. This has to do with what many believe is KELLYS O. what he WANTS to run. Im not saying that he does want to run it but thats what the writer is talking about.

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
November 6, 2013 2:24 pm

You’re such a tool.

Kelly likes mobile QBs b/c of the mismatch they provide. At his hear Kelly likes to run the football. He’s very much a student of 80s/90s hell even 70s smash mouth football when RBs were Gods and it was all ground and pound.

He doesn’t NEED a mobile Qb for success, but he definitely LIKES one. And it does make a diff in the running game. I don’t see him giving up something he likes to do, and takes another man off the defensive side of the ball (have to account for the QB) unless he feels he really REALLY has his guy in Foles.

I’m not convinced. But it will play out. We will (likely) know by the end of the season where we stand on that front.

Stevo
Stevo
November 6, 2013 1:48 pm

Now- the best scenario for the Eagles… and for us fans….. would be for Foles to continue to look good. He is given a chance here to show that he is the guy. I believe he has the tools but he has to continue to shine. Lets not call a spade a spade though…..

Foles had time- Vinnie, it wasnt his quick release that won the game. He was given time. Thats not something he nor your obsession has always had.

Can he make those throws when there is pressure? I hope so.

The struggle with you simpletons is always the same- You care more about being right then you do about the eagles winning. You get it in your head that you are more of a fan because you waived pom poms for a guy when others had a wait and see approach. This is why we make fun of you when Bobby Hoying/Kevin Kolb dont work out. You are in such a rush to brag about being right before things pan out… that you lose your objectivity.

Stevo
Stevo
November 6, 2013 1:49 pm
Reply to  Stevo

SHould say “Lets call a spade a spade though”.

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
November 6, 2013 2:20 pm
Reply to  Stevo

“Now- the best scenario for the Eagles… and for us fans….. would be for Foles to continue to look good.”

Agree there. Means we can shore up the rest of the team – get a big WR – some D talent, etc.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 6, 2013 3:03 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

ANd Bullshit to you to TS

Your first post on this thread was bringing up the Dallas game.

Later you were all, Foles is not living up to xpectations, and he gets another chance “yet again”

“Yet again”. Your annoyance about Foles getting more starts is evident even here on the other side of the Atlantic. You might as well let out a big sigh every time….

Love the sudden “Vick was always just a one year rental” line though. Inventive.

Oh…and for your whole, “the run game suffers” ridiculousness….relax…..it has nothing to do with the RO…it has to do with D co-ord playing a rookie QB differently. They always dare rooks/inexperienced qbs to throw…..watch how much that changes after another 300 yarder or 2…..you’ll see those running lanes open real quick.
.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 6, 2013 3:08 pm

But wait….wasn’t the story last year that Foles was only good because he had a run game (with Brown), but now….. because of Foles the Eagles don’t have a run game.

Damn, its hard to keep up with your inconsistent web of stupidity.

The run game will be fine.

mhenski
mhenski
November 6, 2013 3:11 pm

“Love the sudden “Vick was always just a one year rental” line though. Inventive.”

LAUGHED MY DICK OFF AT THAT VINNIE

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 6, 2013 3:21 pm
Reply to  mhenski

ty…I was laughing when I wrote it

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
November 6, 2013 8:43 pm

Idiot 1 and Idiot 2 I have CONSITENTLY said Vick was a one year rental and there wasn’t very little chance he was back next year – but the team was in win now mode not on some “see what we have” bs and he should play.

Have ALWAYS said that. So I’m glad you find it amusing now. That’s your problem…you get so stuck on stupid that u don’t hear what people actually said..just what you THINK they are saying.

DCar
DCar
November 7, 2013 2:06 am
Reply to  tsjohnson5

RIIIIIIGHT! NOT!

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
November 6, 2013 3:48 pm

Ah…Vinnie still lacking in reading comprehension. My PREFERENCE is that we don’t have to spend a pick on a QB. I don’t beleive Foles is that dude, BUT it is in the best interest of the TEAM if he is.

See how that works.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 6, 2013 2:57 pm
Reply to  Stevo

Bullshit. I wanted Kolb because he wasn’t Vick.

Plain and Simple. Because Vick stinks. That Kolb didn’t work out (though his win%, comp%, td% and int% are all about the exact same as Vick) does not negate the fact that Vick also sucks.

Love how you a (and TS) are changing your tune so quickly though…..wait, I shouldn’t say quickly, its taken you years to see the truth……from spending every second of your life rushing to the defense of your hero every time you read a disparaging post….

but now its suddenly Foles versus the future….

Stevo
Stevo
November 6, 2013 3:06 pm

again- you cant even say Kolbs name with out talking about Vick.

The question was- Is Kevin Kolb a franchise QB?- Not.. is he better than Vick. The answer to both is/was- nope.

and I know why..”
I wanted Kolb because he wasn’t Vick.” thats what I mean about hate. You hate Vick- fine.. but we are trying to find the QB of the future… not a QB thats not named Vick.

So- relax- and just watch. Lets see what he does before we make him the face like we did with your boy Kolb.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 6, 2013 3:05 pm
Reply to  Stevo

Oh….and you are the new expert at the “I’ll make it look like I’m saying something nice, but really I;m not”, You must have been to the Mike VIck school of backhanded compliments.

Foles only good because he was given time. Otherwise he would have stunk.

You’re just mad because you’ve been on the wrong side of this one for 2 years now.

Stevo
Stevo
November 6, 2013 3:07 pm

again- Not about Vick.

Its about Foles.

Try and stay with us Vinnie…. lets talk about Foles.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 6, 2013 3:29 pm
Reply to  Stevo

If you hadn’t had a side you woulndt have come to your hero’s defense after every bad game, or disparaging post.

But love how you are trying to grab the “relax and just watch” mantle.

Hate to tell you, but you are 2 years late for that train. I have been absolutely consistent for over season and a half that Foles needed to start this season to get 16 full games without much judgement because that’s what it takes to evaluate QBs in the NFL.

Scroll up and you will again see me saying that the reaction to the Dallas game was ridiculous as all QBs fuck up, and we shouldn’t get too over the top after this game…even though it was incredibly promising. I have seen slow, steady progress from Foles over his 10 games, and that should have begun week 1.

You (and TS) hitched your wagons to the “WIN NOW” bullshit that you (and Kelly) got suckered into because Vick had a good game against Jacksonville during the preseason.

You were wrong.

So now you’re trying jump on the “watch and see” train, you’re trying to tell me that’s what I should go.

Get over yourself.

Look…welcome aboard, but don’t get all high and mighty with me trying to tell me to be patient and watch….That train left the station last season, despite the fact that Vickpologists like you and TS were still enamoured by the appeal of the false promise that is MV7wins.

I was wrong when I though Kolb would be better than Vick. I was wrong. Kolb and Vick were the shame. Both shite.

You were wrong about what the Eagles should have done this year. And because you’re now realizing it, you’re changing the story.

Nice effort.

Stevo
Stevo
November 6, 2013 4:41 pm

No vinnie- I hitched my ride to the- Chip Kelly gets a year- thing. Its his show and he’s MUCH smarter than you.

If you read the things I wrote after last season…. I wanted Reid, Vick and YOU gone. 2 out of 3 aint bad- Oh… i mean.. 1 out of 3.

YOU were wrong and thats why you got booted out of here…. I told you that you would stay… you told me you were a man of your word. I knew better.

So… you are still here spewing the same hate you did 4 years ago.

Its a team game…. i root for this team.

Stevo
Stevo
November 6, 2013 4:42 pm

my story has stayed the same…. when healthy…. both of these qb’s can win games…. Its the D that has needed to get better for us to win.

Stevo
Stevo
November 6, 2013 3:08 pm

btw- “wrong side” of what?

I dont have a side you dope.

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
November 6, 2013 3:19 pm

you were on the wrong side of this one at end of training camp, so shut your dumb ass up!

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 6, 2013 3:20 pm
Reply to  RealTalk777

wow

training camp

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
November 6, 2013 3:27 pm

Yea Wow…didn’t me and you have a bet about training camp? what happened with that, Vinniethesissy? the competition was won at training camp…Foles isn’t the starter because Vick stunk it up…Foles is the starter because Vick got hurt…its as simple as that…

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 6, 2013 3:34 pm
Reply to  RealTalk777

Vick last 3 games

Foles last 3 starts

Keep telling yourself Vick didn’t stink it up. Eagles fans are damn lucky Vick got hurt, otherwise we’d be pissed off and grumbly watching the inconsistent roller coaster muck up and waste another season.

instead Eagles fans get the excitement of watching a season that suddenly is filled it is promise and excitement. Watching a young QB develop is exciting.

Did I wager on the wrong thing…..I suppose….I failed to consider that Kelly would be such an idiot going into the season with Vick. It was inconceivable to me that an NFL coach could make such a colossal blunder hitching his wagon to an inconsistent losere who is always hurt.

Inconsistent – lowest comp% in the league
loser 1 – 10 last 11 starts
always hurt – hurt

How Kelly could have been that stupid is still beyond me. Its one of the greatest mysteries of our time. How could he not see the obvious????

So ya, I got that call wrong.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 6, 2013 3:38 pm

Anyway….Vick’s last 4 games he was 3 losses and a “left game’
Below 50%, 1 td, 3 ints, and 584 yards (in 4 starts!!)

Keep telling yourself he wasn’t “stinking it up”

Dude played 2 good halves this year against the 2 worst Ds in the league. Give it up man.

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
November 6, 2013 3:41 pm

Behind a defense that was giving up damn near 30 points a game…yea good way to consider all factors you dumb shit

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
November 6, 2013 3:44 pm

Foles has won games on his own? The line did a great job on Sunday did you notice? or were you sitting at home all eyes on Foles with some lotion by your side…bet you won’t see Cooper have another game like he did this past Sunday this season…I hope he does, but doubt it….

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
November 6, 2013 3:51 pm

584 yards – might want to try that math again buddy.

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
November 6, 2013 3:55 pm

“Dude played 2 good halves this year against the 2 worst Ds in the league. Give it up man”

lol

The 0-8 Bucs and the 3-5 Raiders – yeah….

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
November 6, 2013 3:57 pm

Or Eagles fans would be happy ’cause we had wins in Dallas and Giants and likely one or both in Tampa and Raiders.

Though I’m sure Eagles fans would trad Dallas and Giants for Tampa and Raiders any day of the week.

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
November 6, 2013 3:59 pm

“Did I wager on the wrong thing…..I suppose….I failed to consider that Kelly would be such an idiot going into the season with Vick”

Oh I like how competitions don’t count now. Kelly was dumb for running a QB comp like he always does. He was dumb for letting the winner start.

But not Vinnie…Vinnie just knew Foles would win and wipe the floor with Vick and it wouldn’t even be close…oh..but wait…

Stop dude. You’re an idiot who has been proven wrong time and time again. Foles is playing ’cause Vick is hurt. That’s the only reason.

concrete_marley
concrete_marley
November 6, 2013 1:55 pm

Lets be fair to G guys. He’s ripped Vick plenty of times on here. And G is not a bigot by any measure. He’s a black republican for god’s sake! Smh. He is smart however because these QB articles are borderline race riots when he publishes them.

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
November 6, 2013 2:47 pm

hahaha

Biglion821
Biglion821
November 6, 2013 3:42 pm

LOL

Zukny
November 6, 2013 3:44 pm

I can be pretty quick to call racism as i’m sure others can be as well. For example when G said to ignore Riley Coopers big day against Tampa Bay a few weeks ago because the receiver just wont’ ever play well again. Had me a bit annoyed because I believe Riley’s play is directly connected to Vick not ever going after his second reads.

That said, G has been VERY Fair on Foles. This article is just something to get us to comment – and it’s worked. We all know G thinks Foles should be given the rest of the season to start. I believe G will eventually say: Foles is the Franchise.. It might just take a few more weeks though.