Coming into the Eagles-Saints game, I thought the Birds were going to win the battle upfront on both sides of the ball and therefore LeSean McCoy would have a big day, but the New Orleans ball carriers would be stopped. Unfortunately that wasn’t the case. It was the Saints who wanted this game the most and that’s why they won it.
They out gained the Birds in total yards 434 to 256. It was a 178 yard advantage and that’s something the Eagles shouldn’t be proud of. New Orleans came to Philadelphia on a mission and they outplayed the Eagles. The Saints were tired of hearing all that talk about them being unable to win in the cold.
Not only did they outplay the Eagles, they outplayed them in the Eagles strengths. They beat the Eagles upfront in much the same way that the Cowboys did, only it was more dominant because the Birds were able to run the ball against the Cowboys. They weren’t able to run the ball against the Saints. New Orleans was also able to run the ball down the Eagles throats with their best running back, Pierre Thomas, missing the game with an injury.
The Eagles defensive line was bullied by the New Orleans Saints offensive line all night long. The Saints played like grown men, while the Eagles played like little boys and were strong-armed throughout the game. They were pushed around and dominated, as the Saints ran for 5.1 yards per carry, while accumulating 185 yards on the ground on 36 carries.
When it gets cold in the playoffs, you must be able to run the football and that was supposed to be the Eagles strength. They were the best rushing offense in the NFL, but last night they didn’t want it as much as the guys in the Saints jerseys. You don’t let people come into your house and bully you.
The Birds offensive line weren’t the best offensive line in the game last night. They didn’t play any better than the Eagles defensive line, as the Saints defense held the Eagles running game to 80 yards on 22 carries. The league’s leading rusher LeSean McCoy gained only 77 yards on 21 carries.
I thought McCoy ran just as hard as ever, but the boys upfront weren’t getting the movement at the line of scrimmage, that we’re used to seeing. All that talk about not being able to win in the cold, motivated the Saints. They wanted to prove everybody wrong and they did just that.
Drew Brees wasn’t at his best last night and the Saints were beatable because of it. Brees threw two interceptions, but Sean Payton was able to take the football out of his hands because he had a ground game. The New Orleans head coach and play caller put the ball on the ground, which allowed Brees to throw the ball on play action passes.
Nick Foles wasn’t on top of his game last night, but Chip Kelly didn’t have a ground game to turn to. The Birds would have been able to win this game, if they ran the football in the way they were capable of doing. Hopefully this memory will motivate them to want it more the next time they get the chance.
Pass rushers, ILB and playmaker safties are a priority. This team needs a dynamic pass rushing OLB who can wreak havoc in the paqssing game. Trent had a better than expected year but didn’t give us enough pass rush vs NO and Dallas. We need someone who can dominate and needs to be game planned against. We also need more from Fletcher Cox and Bennie Logan, someone to push the pocket and get pressure. Safety is the #1 area of need IMO. A stud playmaking SS who lays the wood. and a FS who can make plays in the passing game.
I am probably in the minority but I love the way Fletcher and Williams played on the outside. This is a passing league and receivers make plays. But the Megatrons, Jeffries, Bryants , Marshalls and Colstons of the world were shut down by our 2, physical, big DBs who both can tackle. If you took notice it was our safeties who were getting burned over the top all year. It was our safeties who let receivers own the middle of the field in front of them. Fletcher and Williams did a good job on the outside IMO. with Boykins manning the slot I don’t think DB is a priority IMO unless a highly rated one falls or is best available player at the time we draft.
This article does not tell the true story here.
Our defense was dominating the Saints and caused 2 turnovers early and the dynamics of how both lines played would have been different if we would have capitalized off those turnovers and got points when Foles held the ball taking stupid sacks.
That gave the Saints momentum going into the 2nd half and allowed them to stay with their game plan to run the ball.
You can’t have continual 3 and outs, completing only 25% on 3rd downs, and be gun shy when the opportunity is there to gain a good cushion early.
The defense did their job early and all Foles had to do was hit the free running Djax knowing the Saints were keying on Shady..instead of panicking when the short stuff was covered.
Foles kept the Saints in it and you can ask any of the greats.
Big time QB’s make their living on 3rd down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you have constant 3 and outs that will eventually wear on your defense, So don’t give me that bully garbage.
Foles put the team in position to be bullied!!!!!!!
The line would have played much better with the lead Foles deprived them of by forcing the Saints to throw to get back in the game.
Playoffs is 60 minutes of Ball.
The Saints played all 60 minutes while Foles showed up late in the game which is becoming a constant.
Good point Songs…
The defense made plays early and the offense did not capitalize.
I have said it for 4 years now. Desean Jackson is garbage. He was in single coverage most of the night and did not even have a catch for most of the game.
The Eagles need WR that can go up and get the ball, and Foles can get rid of it instead of holding it, because “bony James” is going to lose most fights for the ball.
We need a safety bad. Then a WR. Then some more youth on the line.
The only thing I got to enjoy was that the FAT MAN lost yesterday in spectacular fashion!.
I said it for 14 years that andy reid does not have the heart of a champion.
What MORON would build that big of a lead and keep passing. Andy Reid that’s who…
I looked at the game 3 times already….I have game pass and can give you my account to see what I’ve seen.
Boney James was open 3 freakin times for TD’s early while Foles was stinking up the joint.
He’s running his heart out wide open only to have captain checkdown misfire balls to no one.
The “between the tackle box” got more passes than Djax in the 1st half, so come on with that.
Jax was open multiple times and Foles didn’t pull the trigger.
Nick Foles was afraid to throw the ball downfield…. he had Desean open several times and chose to throw the ball short or to him “safe”… he needs to grow up and let it rip. Also, the Lane Johnson was abused throughout the game at RT.
Jax was covered like a blanket
Actually he wasn’t. He was covered well enough where Foles wasn’t willing to throw him. But he was def NFL open and better at times.
He was definitely covered. If he were 6’5 he would be considered open, but he is only 5’9. You can’t throw jump balls to Desean consistently.
No he was open NBC did a terrible job, in trying to show Kenan Allen was doing a good job they showed very misleading camera angles. The all 22 showed Desean running free downfield for long gainers and possibly TD’s. That is why Kelly made the comments he did after the game.
Just watched the ESPN analyst on the 22 document how covered 10 was
And remember one of the many things Foles is given credit for is throwing receivers open, no way Allen can run with 10, he just didn’t put it out there. Again this isn’t the reason the game was lost just pointing out facts,
Desean was open enough….Nick has got to fire the ball that’s all. This off season he’s got to work on his arm strength and heand Desean need to work together to develop timing, trust, and chemistry like he and Riley did!
Desean is not big enough to simply throw it up to him. With deep routes he has to be significantly open to hit #10. He has a propensity to not go up for balls. If he were a few inches taller I would agree that he was open, but given his style of play and size I have to disagree.
Playoff games are won and lost in the trenches. Football people know that.
Drew Brees was shut down even more than Foles in the passing game. Plus Brees threw two picks… the difference in the game was the Saints running game. The Saints out-rushed the Eagles 185 yards to 80… Game over!
The next time they get the chance, exactly, but when will that be? These playoff runs aren’t guaranteed. We haven’t been here in 4 years, this stuff is not guaranteed no matter who we have coaching this team… I don’t want this team to be a good regular season team then suck in the playoff. Likewise with Chip, I hope he learns from this loss, feed your playmakers the ball, everything isn’t a math problem. Where did all of that math get you? Feed Shady, feed Desean, you gotta find ways to get them the ball. Desean isn’t getting any younger, neither is shady, take advantage of this time, quit the mentality of “were young” because that really isn’t the case in some regards. Strike while the iron is hot should be the mentality..
I digress, in regards to this article, I didn’t call it “bullied” last night on here, I called it “punked” Both lines for the eagles got punked! Foles was sacked a few times, some his own fault but others was bc of that saints aggressive dline. The eagles Dline struggled big time, but I don’t blame them as much as I did last night. Bill Davis played it “safe” last night by staying in nickel all game long, he showed an unwillingness to adapt, he just played it “safe”, and with that approach the eagles got punked or bullied and will not stop a high powered offense..
The better more experienced team won last night. The Eagles were right there step for step with Drew Brees and the saints which is commendable though. But too many bust in coverage on defense, too much lack of rhythm on offense.. And a point I wanted to make last night, Foles needs to work at being quicker. When I say quicker I mean in how quick he hands the ball off, quickness in the way he drops back to pass, quicker in his reads and progressions. He seems to move very slow even when handing off the ball and this allows defenses to get in a position to make a play on shady or the ball… Guys have made comparisons between Foles and Brady, but Brady moves quick whether its when he hands the ball off or in play action, or in his progressions, Foles needs to work on these things.. Guys cant get much faster but quickness is something we all can work at being. Noone would mistake Brady for a track star but at almost 40 yrs old hes quick.
Im also tired of Nick in these press conferences with the rah rah motivational speeches. Cut that out Nick. And admitting that you have flaws in your game, why would you admit that? Sometimes you can be too forthcoming, too honest, too humble, I know hes young but my goodness.. Footwork is another area Nick must improve. If he works at these things, he will be a very good maybe great Quarterback..
If you want aggressive….then why no grumbling for Kelly kicking the FG on 4th and 1 from the 7 when down 6? Took the ‘safe’ FG.
Because it was a 4th and a long 1. It was the best call at the time. Last week if you recall, they went for it on 4th and goal and was stopped. A lot in part because Nick didn’t push his way and almost even lost the ball. You’d think a 6’6 QB would make it past that line, but it goes back to what I said in my post above, Nick needs to work on quickness big time. Hes very slow and robotic in him movements. Quickness and also strength. Hes like a 6’6 tooth pick.. On a 4th and 1 QB sneak, you gotta muscle your way in there, like Brees and Brady do, you cant be slow and robotic..
Kelly may have been worried that Nick couldn’t get the first..
thank you.
Someone on here is actually stating truth.
Look, I’m down with Foles being the starter because he have earned it, but Kelly better get his guy in waiting behind Foles if winning the Superbowl is on the Agenda.
I believe Kelly is the type of guy who want it all quickly so don’t be surprised folks if the Eagles make a splash in this year’s draft for that QB.
Chip Kelly have proven to me that he can win with anyone back there especially after seeing Foles, so I’m now excited about what the offense could like with a high pedigree QB with a serious arm and athletic ability.
Vick showed us early this year but his refusing to slide a protect himself got me souring that way.
Chip will get the ultimate read option guy in waiting.
Watch.
Eh.
Vick’s issue was a bad hammy. He slid (for him) and protected himself pretty well this year.
What has Vick’s issue been the rest of his mediocre career?
Foles is already a better QB than Vick ever was.
let’s not go to far buddy.
Vick single handedly got his team to an NFC championship.
Foles could do nothing of the sorts if it was all on him.
Foles is pedestrian at best but his protection of the ball covered his deficiencies. Nonetheless Foles is the guy until Chip groom his type of QB for this offense.
It was Vick vs 22? Interesting.
Groom his type? He drafted Barkley lol
So Songs..Alge Crumpler probowl TE, RB Warrick Dunn, RB TJ Duckett, WR’s Peerless Price , Michael Jenkins and Dez White and CB Deangelo Hall had nothing to do with the Falcons getting there. Alge Crumpler is one of my favorite TE’s and you minimize all of these guys contributions by stating Mike did it by himself..single handedly. You are one for the books! LOL . Say anything to try and make a point.LOL.
Funny thing is that Vick never led his Talented Falcon Team to back to back Winning Seasons during his Falcon Career..
A good Year, Bad Year which is kind of the story
Of Vick’s Career.. Up and Down
You should take another look at the QB sneaks. If the line doesn’t make the push, the QB can’t sneak. The eagles line didn’t push the cowboys or saints line at all resulting in failures when attempting to sneak. Every time the Saints attempted to sneak they were able to because of the push from the offensive line.
The line pushed enough I watched the plays over and over. A 6’6 QB has to push as well. Its not all on the Oline. Foles gotta stick his head and body in there and push. He cant just fall in, no you gotta give push behind the olinemen. I like Foles but he has a lot a lot of correctable flaws in his game.. Some simple, some will take time to correct but he clearly needs to address them..
Us having a smaller center doesn’t help because now the QB is forced to veer to the left of the center instead of straight up the middle like most offenses..
And call me crazy but just like the browns did trading there running back for a 1st rd pick I would see if they could trade cox he just doesn’t fit the 3-4 at all he would be a beast in a 4-3 they might want him to fit but he just doesn’t and Bennie Logan in the offseason needs to put on 10-15lbs of muscle cox has to go you don’t need to draft a 3-4 de in the first they are not difference makers they are just there to clog the run game up and free the lbs cox was meant to be pass rushing 4-3 dt just like vinny curry is a 4-3 de I would also trade him
Gloomy, Theyre not going to trade Cox, if anyone gets traded its VCurry and I wouldn’t do that either, id just reward Vinny with more playing time. He played both the run and pass very well this year. He came in a pure pass rusher, hes now added muscle and is a problem to deal with lined up anywhere on the line. So I wouldn’t trade any of my young Dlinemen. Give them another year in this scheme. I think we forget that this was just the first year in this scheme.
Add two new safeties to this defense and another corner or two and this DLine will look even better
What happened to Trent Cole. #55 Gram was in the game and he’s a joke.
Did anybody else notice how he just stands around if the play is not on his side of the field or he not rushing the passer? I could not believe I eyes. The saint rbs were blowing right past him and he had his poloroid out taking pictures… First round bust…Put him and patrick chump on a one way boat to japan. Then he can take all the pictures he want…
I believe some of you guys must be paid imposters by gcobb to create controversy
When earlier in the season the offense, foles lit it up in the first half, there was no respect, but disrespect, that any qb can put up impressive numbers early in the game, but you would reserve judgment on foles’ ability when the team is behind and foles is needed to lead a comeback
The are behind behind 23-10 in the third, foles engineers two drives, the last of which puts his team ahead with a touchdown pass with 4:48 to play
It was the last time he touched the ball
The marine sergeant addresses each reccruit on inspection. There’s always something wrong, always. First, bed doesn’t pass dime test, the gun is not cleaned, the next day the shirt is not properly creased vertically, on and on until you realize that no how hard you attempt to meet the standards you will never because the standards always change or that the drill instructor is there to bust you on the unobtainable goal of perfection
Good comparison!
If Foles still holds the ball as long as he did at times this year in his 11th season, I say we replace him. Funny, I don’t think there would be a Foles fan club railing for him to still be the starter at that point. Songs, can you name this perfect high pedigree/strong arm QB in this draft that you speak of. Be sure that he can take over a 1-4 team and lead them to 10-6 and the division title over our hated rivals, throw 27td to 2 int and lead the league is passing efficiency in his first year. Otherwise, I say we draft defense.
No he can’t..I asked him last night…he stated that he never stated that Foles shouldn’t be the starter….but his posts says otherwise…and that’s fine. I just wanted to know who he would bring in too! Just give me a name!
Songs, you forgot to mention the 180 yards rushing the D gave up, you also forgot to mention Foles last three drives were, TD, FG, TD, he gave the D the lead with 5 minutes left, they couldn’t get off the field, if nobody watched the game and listened to you, you would think Foles lost the game for us and our D had nothing to do with it, one more time, the D gave up 180 yards rushing and couldn’t get off the field with 5 minutes left and the lead.
He didn’t forget…he conveniently failed to mention it because it doesn’t align with his argument or agenda. He failed to answer how the performance of the Colts and the Eagles defense play affected the outcome of both games yesterday after both QB’s led their teams back to take the lead. But hey…that’s Songs!
LOL…just heard audiotape of Andy Reid’s presser yesterday stating…I gotta do a better job!
Defense did a great job against the pass, limiting the effectiveness of Brees and Graham. What more do you want from them? The aren’t a blue chip defense. They played well for them. That’s all you can ask for.
I understand what your saying TJ, but blame Bill Davis for staying in a pass defense (Nickel) when you clearly see the saint having success running the ball down your throats!!!
They didn’t play well enough for us to win because they gave up 180 rushing yards against a team that doesn’t run the ball well all year long. It came down to adjustments the Saints made that the Eagles didn’t. Payton out-coached Davis. They did do a great job limiting Graham and Colston in the pass but if you want to win chips you have to adjust. When you have a lead with 5mins to go, an NFL defense should make one stop to get the opposing team off the field. The Eagles defense failed to get it done as well as special teams.
Tua14768, they were in a nickel, that’s a passing defense. This isnt madden football. It wont work in the NFL against an experienced savvy explosive offense.. Billy Davis sealed their fate by remaining in that defense. We know that Billy knows this defense is missing 4-5 impact players so he didn’t want the big name guys to kill them and he accomplished exactly what he game planned to do but, he didn’t account for the saints ability to run the ball. They do have some horses on that offense its just that Brees is such a prolific passer (future 1st ballot HOF) that they don’t need to utilize the run as much. But Billy you see whats happening you gotta adjust alittle bit. Esp on the 3rd and 1s and 4th and 1s cmon man get out of nickel and play the run and trust your coverage guys a bit more and plug the hole. That defense had no chance..
Also keep in mind that this saints team is ranked 4th on defense and 4th on offense in the entire NFL. So this was in fact the eagles toughest most complete team to play against this entire year.. They may end up going a long way if they get some payback on Seattle next weekend..
I realize they were playing Nickel. My point, and I state again, “they didn’t play well enough for us to win because they gave up 180 rushing yards.” At some point the defense must recognize this and stop it. They did not. If the defense “had no chance” then we had no chance of winning the game. I never mentioned Madden, I was discussing the game last night. They were running through our defense and we couldn’t stop it. They Saints offense isn’t impossible to stop. My point is we did well, however as we saw at the end of the first half allowing the Saints to drive down the field, we allowed them to do it again at the end of the game. Not good enough.
Look guys, bottom line was we had a great season, their was mistakes all around but what more can u ask for from a first year HC who inherited a 4-12 team that lost 11 straight who never coached in the NFL before, lets remember, a lot of people had him as the next Spurrier, we all know our weak spots on this team and guess what, their aren’t many, we have a bright future.
I just found out Martaivus Bryant WR from Clemson 6’5″ 205…4.43-4.48 40 time is entering the 2014 NFL draft. He makes acrobatic catches ala Jason Avant and exhibits good body control when going up in the air to snatch passes. Sammy Watkins got most of the spotlight as the Clemson #1 receiver (rightfully so) but Bryant has#1 potential and would serve as an outstanding complement to Desean. This is the receiver I want the Eaglesto get. He still needs coaching…but is as talented as they come.
Good find Eaglehaslanded, im going to look into this
He had some problems in his sophomore season and was suspended for the bowl game last season. He came back this year a changed man and really got his act together. This tells me he is a young man who is willing to acknowledge his mistakes and change. Gotta respect that…that’s maturation. He says he wants to enter the draft to help his family so I expect him to take things seriously and continue to mature, not just as a player, but a person. Definitely, check him out!
I ll remember who I heard it from first, haha..
Songs Zherp Bengals LB Burfict missing Tackles left and right as Chargers just stuffed the ball down the Bengals throats to go up
7-0.. It’s amazing to see King Dunlap as a productive OT
And a key Starter for the Chargers..
Burfict is a probowl ILB…who the Eagles should have taken…We can all nitpick a player to death as none of them will play the perfect game. Burfict wins a great share of his battles, and has the most tackles amongst linebackers in the league. Offensive linemen are going to win some battles on the offense too.
Not when it counted the most, he and his Bengals Teammates are home for the rest of the Pkayoffs just like the Eagles are..
FOLES cant be criticized. He is beyond criticism. DJax can be criticized, the oline can be criticized. Chip was out coached but Nick fucking Foles cant be criticized for NOTHING. Give me a break. Yes he is our QB going forward but this BULLSHIT that we cant say one negative thing about FOLES is comical.
Its almost like league MVPs Ryan Howard, League MVP Jimmy Rollins can be criticized, 10 time all-star Allen Iverson and future HOF can be criticized but somehow Chase Utley never is criticized. Very interesting.
I gotta agree with you on this post Dag, especially Chase Utley, while Howard and Rollins is much maligned., Chase walks on water….I swear I’ve never heard him criticized, even when he didn’t tell the Phils he was injured…but let them find out the hard way. That was selfish as hell and not team oriented! Foles can and should be criticized when he screws up…but some of it is over the top with clear agenda driven nonsense.
We know the reason why that is but nobody will ever admit that’s an issue because it’s an uncomfortable topic. Again Foles didn’t lose this game but he left some big plays out there. It happens I mean Brees missed Sproles who was running free against Barwin. Songs is way over the top in his criticism but some of the responses he’s getting is equally dumb.
I know Big…just like a lot of the Vick critisizing was over the top…some of it personal. In every game QB’s are going to over and under throw their targets. it’s going to happen.
I agree with you…that’s why I’m done with the Foles debate…he’s the starting QB so there’s no need to continue to debate the minutia of it all! Songs is still a fraud because he ditched the Eagles last year and went QB and team johnson hopping. That’sa fact! Now he’s talking about it was his son… He’s part comical…but in an annoying way!
Cick’a time is way over..
He has a 10-11 Year record and achievement of complete mediocrity
Chip Kelky realized this and moved on 3 months ago,
I cannot understand how others can’t do the same..
He’s done, toast,fini.. Whatever you want to call it..
He had his chances and never got it done in 12 Years of Playing
Plain & simple..
I may be wrong but I don’t think anyone has said Foles is completely immune from being criticized. For the most part, I think people are just reasonable about it considering his experience. He made a really bad play yesterday. If it took us out of FG range there would be more criticism about it. But that kick was completely makable still. our kicker just sucks.
Fact is he outplayed future HOFer Brees, didn’t turn the ball over, and helped bring the team back for the lead. The last time the offense was on the field it was a Foles TD pass for the lead. The Defense/Special teams blew that game. You dont give up a lead late in the 4th at home in the playoffs. And you esp don’t allow the other team to just kill the entire clock on top if it.
If the Eagles never came back and lost 7-23 you would hear a lot more criticism about Foles and the offense
Disagree Biglion. Philadelphia tends to blindly support players who give 100% effort all the time. Rollins will get shit here and there because he wont run hard to first. Howard will get shit on occasion because he will come into the season overweight. Iverson (my personal favorite Philly athlete) is loved by this city. IMO, his criticism was that he didn’t want to put the time in off the court. However, that usually comes from outsiders. When it comes to actual sixers fans, there is a lot of love for Iverson and always will be.
No one in Philly will say a bad word about Dawkins. We love him. But there were times in big playoff games where he made some really bad plays in coverage. Contributed to us losing NFC champ games with some of those bad plays. Also when he left Philly for Denver, all the blame went to the FO (def deserves most of it) but none went to Dawkins who left us for more money. Where was his loyalty then you know..But when it comes to criticism, he was/is untouchable because we know he gave everything he had all the time on and off the field when it came to preparation.
Don’t blow a hole in the argument of those with an agenda pheags. Using real facts is counter to the agenda. Foles gets a pass because no young player has ever done what he has done. EVER. When he plays a good game people want to crucify him on here. When he is in his 5th year and screws up he will get blasted
Not sure who said that? It was a football game… Shit happens. EAGLES didn’t make enough plays… Foles has the ball in his hands every play… Goes with the position. What you are seeing is an overly protective defense of him because of the complete over criticism of him by 3-4 racists with an agenda. He is a young player and these idiots expect perfection of him. His criticism will come when Vick is playing in Canada or buffalo or wherever and he throws an important pick. He won’t ever have this TD to int ratio ever again so the racists will get their shot.
Not to change the subject, but I recall last draft I predicted Manti Te’o would be drafted in the late first or early second by the Ravens. He went to the Chargers, but the Ravens should of drafted him. They struggled big time defensively this year, no true leader on that defense. Now look at Teo now?! In the playoffs, making plays for the Chargers.. I recall some on here saying he would be a “bust” haha..
Te’o not doing much h in this drive as Bengals are attacking the middle of the field and going right at Te’o..
He’s another Omar Gaither type in my opinion
Bengals RB Bernard just carried the bigger Teo’s for extra yards the last few Plays..
More bull crap from fraudman.. never ends
Omar Gaither LMAO
Omg, Burfict is a monster..The man went undrafted a year ago, now in his 2nd year in the league hes a Probowler?? Someone on this site loved Burfict, was it Songs?? What a call.. I mentioned him on here around draft time as well, I remember Fraudman saying he’s a bum, he’s fat, out of shape yada yada yada.. All the kid does is make plays..
I love the Bengals defense. They are extremely aggressive. They stop the run and the very pass well, we can only hope have a defense like this in year two..
It was Songs and I.. I was hyping him up before he decided to enter the draft and wanted the Eagles to take him in the 3rd round!
Another good call. Gonna start calling you GMEaglehaslanded haha.. Congrats to you too Songs.. I know you get a lot of crap on here but for the most part I agree with a lot that you have to say in regards to this team and its direction..
LOL, naw,I don’t need that GM thing. I’m more of a scout! LOL.
Lets think about this for a second.. RG3 a year ago on one leg almost led his team to the SB. Colin Kap (played in the SB), Russell Wilson (made the playoffs), Cam Newton (ok numbers but a bad team).. All four guys have something in common, they all can run but they have the smarts and can throw from the pocket. This is where the league is headed. And for this offense that Chip has we need a guy like this or at least a guy with relative quickness or speed my goodness.. He has to be smart and accurate like Foles is, but to have the ability to take off for 20 or 40 not 2-4.. With that said I like Foles and if he stays here and works on his quickness among other things I mentioned he will be a great one but its a lot to ask someone that is relatively slow in his movements. Hes very slow and robotic, even when handing the ball off to McCoy. We need him to pick up the pace, but can he? We will see…
You are an idiot
HAC….no..we just have our own opinions based on some of what is true and some of what we believe to be true! At the end of the day..it’s up to Chip no matter what any of us say or think..but that’s why we have this forum. To discuss the things that interest us!
I hear you Jon…but let’s look at the teams who has won the superbowls though. This whole running fast thing is definitely a good quality…but it’s not going to decide what team wins the bottom line game. Flacco is slow as a snail, but it was the team that won the game. San Fran had the defense, the QB in C. Kaepernick ( who I wanted the Eagles to draft)and the running back in Frank Gore, the Tigh End in V. Davis and good wideouts, but at the end of the day the Raven defense knew how to defense Kaep. I think the Seahawks will get to the championship game and would like to see them win it…but they won’t win it because of russel Wilson running, it will be his passing ability…football acumen and their defense. Being mobil is without question a good quality..however, history has not shown that it’s the make or break characteristic that will decide what team wins the superbowl.
I think your misunderstanding me, I actually think we agree. I’m not saying that I want an all out running QB. I just want a QB like Wilson and Kap that don’t have to run to make plays, but they CAN and have that threat to take off. By no means do I want a running QB or a guy that needs to run in order to get going. We need a passer with smarts, but has the THREAT to take off and I believe that’s what Chip wants as well, just the ability to get you 10-20 if its wide open to do so. Unfortunately, Foles cant run away from his sister, that’s one reason why he took a lot of unnecessary sacks the past few weeks..
That’s why he drafted Barkley… You guys all think you know what he wants
Cigar, I loved the pick! I like Barkley and think he will challenge for the starting job this upcoming training camp, you better believe that.. But the more I watched this offense every single game this season and saw what Chip was trying to do, I could only think of what this offense would be with a guy that is a serious threat to run. Yes smarts, accuracy, throwing power is the most important traits a franchise QB needs or any QB for that matter, but to have all of that and the ability to take off, that adds an entirely different element to your offense that the defense must account for..
You have to have the ability to take off? Really? I thought the goal was to win the SB?
In this offense cigar. Your missing the point because you love Foles too much. Open your eyes man, look around the league. Look where its headed. I’m not saying get rid of Foles, I’m saying if they want a guy with the accuracy, smarts, arm power and (AS A BONUS) the THREAT to TAKE OFF, it isn’t Foles. After I watched this offense the entire year, still using Foles, you notice Chip still used the zone read? Foles cant run but 2-4 yards if that but it revealed something, that Chip still wants a QB that can take off if possibly or that has the threat to do so, not a stationary target. What good is a stationary target? Also remember, the league is getting faster and faster at every position. Defenses speeds are astonishing at times. You have to adapt or you wont succeed..
I’m not in love with Foles. I’m saying you guys who talk about a chip kind of qb are idiots
So Cigar, what do you think Chips reasoning is behind him STILL using the zone read with Foles when we all know that he cant run away from his sister? Lets be honest here. I’m a whoever is the starting QB for my Eagles type of guy but we who are a bit blinded by the records and the way Foles looks and his height need to uncover their eyes and quit the bias crap. Be honest. I wanna know why Chip was still using the zone read with Foles in there for the entire year..
Chip was using th RO with Foles because it worked? If he was married to a qb who can run he wouldn’t have drafted Barkley .. He would have found a 4th round donning qb project.
Those of you presuming to know what kind of qb he wants ignore the facts
cigar, have you ever thought that the Barkley pick was for “value” purposes, like Howie and Chip said? Value. Like I said I loved the pick, but they needed a 3rd QB to push and compete with the other QBs (Vick and Foles), great value in that round. And its not the read option, its called the zone read.
No Foles has not been blessed with quick wheels….That QB is not gonna be attainable in this draft. The guy I really like is Jameis Winston, but he’s more of a pocket passer who can run…he’s not exactly fast either though. He just has that intangible leadership quality that makes peoplewant to play hard for him…it’s contagious. Bridgewater is the best QB coming out, he’s not very mobil either. Ilike Mariota, but he hurt himself running, that’swhat bothersme about running all over the place. Getting hurt because your moresucceptible to being pounded.
You make a very good point but you are overlooking one very significant factor, defense and running the ball. Last year, Kap and Wilson had great rushing teams as well as defenses. Just like this year with the Eagles, the Redskins didn’t get very far because they don’t have a dominant D. The NFL has not changed through the years in this aspect. When Peyton Manning won his one and only superbowl, it was because of the run game and defense. When Drew Brees and the Saints won a superbowl it was because the D created turnovers with the game on the line and they ran the ball consistently. Cam Newton is in the playoffs because of the defense, not because of his mediocre play. The focus this offseason should not be with the guy who tied an NFL record 7 touchdown passes in a game, finished with the 3rd best qb rating in NFL history, and had the greatest touchdown to interception ratio in a season while only being 24yrs old in his second season. Maybe, we could focus on the poor safety play and inconsistent kicking. This defense needs to become dominant if we want to win it all. Defense wins championships.
I mentioned the team needs, I never said we need a new QB. I said I like Foles but Foles has holes..He needs to address them. I also mentioned all that you did about the focus being us needing to possibly gut the entire secondary besides boykin and bring back nate allen who played well. I said two new safeties and 2 new corners. An Outside rushing LB, bulk up on the Dline by adding a space eater at NT. Its not all on the QB and that’s obvious, but we were discussing Foles and though the records have blinded some into thinking that the kid is flawless, im here to lift the veil from the eyes.. He is far from a finished product no matter what records he set or broke.. He has a lot of work to do this off season..Most importantly improve his quickness..
I think the best thing about what you are saying Jon is that Foles knos that too! If you listened to his presser he made that clear as far as knowing what he needs to work on. I hope he sets up a passing camp with Desean and whatever other WR’s arehere to get timing and chemistry with them.He’s got to become more comfortable with trusting Desean to makea play on the ball!
Not much hecan do about speed..maybe a little faster, but not much to make a game changing difference!
There is a difference between speed and quickness. Not much Foles can do about his lack of speed, he is what he is, but he can improve his quickness. I ll compare him to Brady since their around the same height and mobility. Brady isn’t fast by any stretch of the imagination, but what Brady has is deceptive quickness and great pocket awareness. He doesn’t waste a lot of time once that ball is hiked to make a decision. When he is handing the ball of watch how quick he does it, or if its play action notice how quick he does it. Or if he’s throwing the ball, he makes his decision in a hurry. He knows exactly where he wants to go with the ball. He’s quick and decisive.. Foles needs to be like that. He can reach that level and maybe be even better if he works at it..
If you listen to Brady he admits that he’s driven by wanting to improve and get better every day, by thinking someone is trying to take his job or his spot. That’s what drives him. And he plays like he has a chip on his shoulder. Very aggressive.. We need that from Foles.. We need him to be willing to take his game to another level, not just stand up at the pressers and say how many flaws he knows he has in his game. Don’t tell people that stuff, just go and work at improving those flaws and turn them into strengths..
I can agree with that.
Very good post.
Very good post Jon Hart.
RGIII almost led them to what SB! What f^#@ing alternate reality did that season play out in? If my recollection does deceive me, they lost in the WC game, right?
You are a f^#@ imbecile! Try bringing facts to conversations, before you attempt to look like you know WTF you are talking about!
Dcar still reading my past posts like a desperate little troll. Get a life and a job… If you recall slow poke, the Redskins were the hottest team in the NFL going into the playoffs then RG3s injury happened and they lost. Instead of nit picking, bring something positive to the forum instead of pathetically trolling like haveacigar and mhitler.. bobby brown
You telling me to get a life, & a job???? BWAHAHAHA!!!! Please Son! You are the biggest, loser, deluded, retarded, imbecile, on this site. Grow some pupes, before coming at me!
*pubes*
One thing is for sure Andy Dalton sucks. Foles is better than him already.
Agreed daggolden haha
Trade peters get Michael oher put him at right tackle move lane to left tackle trade cox to a 4-3 team so he can play like the beast that he is and have Logan in the offseason put on 10-15lbs of muscle and move him over to DE then get a Fat dt in here to clog up the middle realease Chung,Coleman, Williams graham and try to trade cole for a 6th and sign Jason worlds and tj ward now in the draft get doesn’t matter of the order first 4 picks should be of any combo right guard, corner back. Wr, olb then u will complete team then
Micheal Oher.. Really.. No way Gloomy..
He has lost his passion to play, he was terrible this year
Eagles have Following Players who become Free-Agents
Vick,Cooper,Maclin, plate Alken, Kurt Coleman, Colt Anderson,
C Geathers & IR LB Phillip Hunt
I believe they Sign Cooper,Maclin,Nate Allen & possibly
M Vick
I think they will flat out release Chung, Avant
And ask the following Players to rework their Deals
Herremans & Cole and if they don’t agree, then they will be Cut
And released as well..
Another coaching opening. Marvin Lewis should be fired tomorrow. How many years does he get?
Sometimes all a player needs is a change of scenery maybe that’s what oher needs this was his only bad year and cox has to go he doesn’t fit this system at all
Michael Oher wasn’t very good their Super Bowl Season either and lost his Stsrting LT position when they picked up Bryant McZlinnie from the Vikings and them moved Oher to RT.. I doubt very much that his conditioning and work ethic could make it thru a Chip Kelly Summer Camp..
Stay away from him big time..
Marvin is a goner, but what about first year coach Mike McCoy? Wow.. Having a veteran QB with a good resume doesn’t hurt either though..
Keep in mind the whole opening day at home opponent for the eagles usually goes to the SB that year. The Chargers were the eagles opponent and beat them at the Linc. Looks like the Chargers are well on their way.. haha
By Moving Trading Psters and moving Al Johnson from RT to apAT you weaken both Positions, makes no sense.. Peters has 1. More Year at $10 Million and is an All-Pro.. No way you do anything with him and at $10 Million is a bargain for a atop LT these days.. Milk it as long as you can concerning
J Peters..
Watching Crabtree all I can think of is jax, cooper and a physical specimen along with ertz helps move the chains
Peters got that off his name it was so many times this year I seen him get beat
John hart is a RO a ZR is a bit different…don’t go there. You have coo coo ideas but don’t speak of something you know nothing about. It is a read option plain and simple
The terms are used interchangeably but Kelly is a RO guy
I know your full of emotion for your love of Foles right now but there is a difference between the two. Ready for a lesson? Here it is, the zone read’s just one guy. You’re reading the defensive end or whoever and keeping it. If you’re running read option, you’re pulling it off of him and then you got a pitch back with you and you’re pitching the ball. Huge difference buddy..
You are wrong
I’m wrong cigar? How so?
Turns out you really had no clue what you were talking about haha what a joke. Keep your unbias blind love for Foles to yourself, and let me and the other true unbias fans of the EAGLES not just one guy, continue to keep it honest on here..
Sorry I was feeding people not hanging on your word
Btw, you know how I know im not wrong, because what I said came right from Chip lol So I guess Chips wrong too huh? I don’t care what you ran in pop warner, I ll take Chips word over yours pal.. And you my friend don’t know what your talking about. Moving on..
What a run by Kap, omg.. Kid is smart, has a gun of an arm with a lot of heat, and runs like a deer. The true ultimate weapon at QB..
It’s terminology nothing more. I ran the Delaware wing T. It has a set of rules and a terminology that told our people what to do. When we copycatted from another system we fit it in to our terminology. For example the ‘I’ formation wasn’t a normal part of wing t .. So when we had a guy we thought was good out of the I we just bastardized it in our terminology. Chip runs the RO as his standard. He options the end usually. Sometimes a backer
How am I wrong cigar? You still haven’t answered that. What I mentioned as a RO and a ZO are totally different. Forget the whole formation nonsense. Theyre both totally different though they may look alike
Kelly runs RO with 2 basic plays inside zone and outside zone. Based on formation you know which it is and so does the defense
What many also forget is how mobile Aaron Rodgers is. Dude can really take off if he has to. What a great one..
As I said terminology… Prove it fuck head … And pop warner? Are you sure bout that? Actually it was with a college HOF coach when I was a grad asst. but isn’t it time to brush your teeth, put on footsie pajamas
Hey cigar, read it and weep. If you don’t know what your talking about, even if you only know a little bit about the topic, its best to just not speak. You don’t have to comment on everything you don’t agree with and then call people names..
WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ZONE READ AND READ OPTION?
“Zone read’s just one guy. You’re reading the defensive end or whoever and keeping it. If you’re running read option, you’re pulling it off of him and then you got a pitch back with you and you’re pitching the ball.”
IS THERE ANY SIMILARITY BETWEEN YOUR ZONE READ AND THE 49ERS?
“No, they got three guys in the backfield, two tight ends and they run it from a pistol formation. I think it’s very different from what we do. I think what the Redskins do is very different from what we do.”
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Kelly-on-Arians-others-comments-on-his-offense-I-dont-care-what-other-people-think.html#J9blF9500Igcvvft.99
How mobile is Peyton Manning? How mobile is Tom Brady? Foles is actually more mobile then both of them, those two are also the least sacked, people have to stop nit picking, Foles is our QB, get over it people, you guys don’t even know why you don’t want him, everyone said our rushing would be dead with him, we ended up leading the league in rushing, everyone said he doesn’t have a strong arm n get use to the dink n dunk, we set and NFL record this year with 98 plays of 20+ yards, you guys have no clue.
Stop it…stop it..it is sacrilege to mention Foles with Manning and Brady. Those guys make pinpoint passes to receivers who are well covered…Foles does not have that kind of accuracy and touch like Manning or Brady…its not even close. No one said our rushing would be dead because of Foles…but the read-option was no where near as effective because of slow footed Foles…we could have used a Qb who can make some plays with his legs…like that Qb from San Francisco who broke the backs of the Packers with his speed and legs!!
What about your beloved Aaron Rodgers you called a franchise QB yesterday? Nothing to say about him now? Stop cherry picking. If Rodgers had of won and Kap lost you would be talking about Rodgers instead now.
Next week will be a great game…Carolina vs The 49ers…I think I’m going to take the 49ers in that game. Both teams are mirror images of each other.
let’s make this clear. Foles can only hope to sniff the jocks of all the QB’s left in the playoffs and that’s including Aaron Rogers who was exited last night.
Foles is pedestrian at best ok?
So come on with all that.
Foles is a damn stiff that lives off the bubble screen and shady legs.
Foles outplayed Brees. Statistically and situationally.
He also had better numbers than Rodgers and basically played the exact same way. Slow start, carry team back to lead, lose it because defense couldn’t get a stop.
Foles outplayed Brees statistically?
This is why guys like you are not credible and incapable of having a reasonable dialogue or debate.
One can always find stats to suit they’re arguments based on the fact that stats are subjective.
Here’s an example.
one quarterback rack up stats moving the ball from his 20 to the opposing team’s 1 yard line and only get 3 points, while the other quarterback gets the ball at the 50 yard line after a good kick return and punches it in for 7.
Which quarterback have the better Stats now?
You would say the guy who made it to the 1 yard line because there was no asterisk next to the yards the emphasized him not being able to get the touchdown.
So, when you look at stats you must also bring in the points that were scored.
Guys on here must bring in stats as an argument for Foles because there’s nothing else.
There’s no playoffs because he didn’t get those stats until the Saints were in control of the game.
Foles was given the ball Twice off of the Saints turnovers before the Half and only got 7 points,while Brees in all his errors was able to keep the game close by driving his team down to get 2 field goals before the half.
Stats matter when they show trends and that’s for the better or worse.
One Stat the pops out is Foles not showing up until the end of the 3rd quarter 4 out of the last 5 games.
That stat is the one I hope Chip Kelly is examining because this is a copycat league and Chip can’t win a damn thing if the QB can’t get going until he’s force to.
Credibility, says the guy who tossed his allegiance to the Eagles away last year because Mike got benched. You pledged allegiance to the Redskins…then became a Seattle fan, then a 49ers fan because of who their QB’s were….and you come on an Eagles blog and talk about credibility. Then you blame your son for some how getting your password and coming on here saying things that is songsesque….but you talk about someone not having credibility….isn’t that the kettle….you know the rest! You are the least credible person on here! Why are you here; you’re not an Eagles fan. You said it!
Songsrme2 is right on point…we have to look at the Quarterback in context with the Chip Kelly offense…which demands that the offense score more points.In this offense, with the weapons, with the fast pace no-huddle…scoring less than 30 points is a failure.
And the 49ers scored 23 with the model QB in your world, i.e., elite and mobil QB, a stud TE, RB and wide outs against an average greenbay defense! Why so few points…is that a failure. This isn’t college dude! How about the 54 against Chicago…Do you think that will happen every week? This is the pros. You and songs continue to make statements that contradict other points you guys attempt to make to prove your points. Good thing you guys are not attorneys. Winning cases against you guys would be easy.
You truly don’t have a clue koolbreeze/Songs…
The goal of Chip Kelly or any coach is to out score your opponent. Kelly don’t give a shit how. If you want to see why Kelly is happy with Foles I’ll show you:
Foles – 27 TD passes + 3 Rushing TDs = 180 Points….(10 games)
McCoy – 9 Rushing TDs = 54 Points
Total Points = 234
Keapernick – 21 TD passing + 4 Rushing TDs = 150 Points…(16 games)
Gore – 9 Rushing TDs = 54 Points
Total Points = 204
So you can see, the two Eagles playmakers outscore the 49ers playmakers with Foles playing 6 fewer games.
If you want to see why the 49ers win more… look at the defense, you idiot.
When you and shit-for-brains Songs start seeing quarterback results instead of touching yourself every time a QB runs with the ball you will know football.
Chip Kelly has named Nick Foles the starting quarterback going forward into next season.
29 passing touchdowns including the Saints game.