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Report: Dolphins Hire Bill Lazor As Offensive Coordinator

lazorEagles’ quarterback coach Bill Lazor has reportedly been hired by the Miami Dolphins to serve as their new offensive coordinator.

Lazor played an important role helping Nick Foles to perform at a Pro-Bowl level in 2013, and it will be interesting to see how much his absence impacts Foles’ play next season.

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mhenski
mhenski
January 15, 2014 2:49 pm

Did the Dolphins sign him or did the Lions? Jon Hart source reported yesterday it was with the lions. I am confused.

paulman
paulman
January 15, 2014 3:07 pm
Reply to  mhenski

JH made a mistake/typo error esterday reporting about Lazor

It’s the Dolphins that Hired QB Coach Lazor to become their OC abd work for Joe Philbin

Detroit Lions hired Jim Caldwell as HC

DCar
DCar
January 16, 2014 3:16 am
Reply to  paulman

I guess his sources (blowup dolls), had blowers cramps, when they told him about it!

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 15, 2014 3:07 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Consider the ‘source’

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
January 15, 2014 3:22 pm

Panthers May Have A Tough Time Retaining DE Greg Hardy

paulman
paulman
January 15, 2014 4:31 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

Greg Hardy says he is willing to give Panthers a home-town Discount as many Players often say, until the Offers start coming in.. I expect the Falcons
to go after him hard but with all things being relatively equal, he fits the Panthers Scheme Well, have 3 other good DL along with him in Charles Johnson,Star Lotuleile,Kwann Short & Frank Alexanfer who are all Young with an up and coming Team..
I would not be surprised to even see the Cowboys take a run at Hardy though they have major Salary Cap Issues that they have to take care first

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
January 15, 2014 4:08 pm

And no I don’t want Greg hardy he is just like cox doesn’t fit 3-4 I was just passing this along

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 15, 2014 11:04 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

I don’t want Hardy either Smitty

DCar
DCar
January 16, 2014 3:17 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Makes 3 of us.

paulman
paulman
January 17, 2014 9:50 am
Reply to  DCar

Woundn’t mind the Phillies getting SS JJ Hardy from the Orioles..

Phils Biggest 3 Moves this Off-Season

1) Signing Marlon Byrd
2) Firing Announcer’s (Wheeler/Matthews)
3) Bringing back Charlie Manuel to work as Advisor

Phil’s Franchise has become very inept, with no strategic plan on rebuilding te Roster.. I am afraid they will be a 75 Win Team//Last Place for the next Few Seasons.. Get this Amaro out of Town already..

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 17, 2014 9:54 am
Reply to  paulman

GMClif is not as effective in evaluating MLB Prospects, as well as NFL, and NBA, so if you say so Paul, I trust your opinion.

paulman
paulman
January 15, 2014 4:38 pm

I like DE Arthur Jones from the Ravens as a “under-the-radar” Signing
At 6-3 315lbs, he’s a load than can play DE in base 3-4 Scheme, then can slide inside at DT on short-yardage, red-zone packages. He is not a big-time Pass-Rusher, but he will set the edge and keep containment and make Plays in the Running Game.. Get a good young Pass-Rusher playing outside him as a Pass-Rusher OLB (Kendricks, Draft Pick Vic Beasly) then maybe you have something on that edgie opposite of Thornton/Barwin..

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 15, 2014 11:03 pm
Reply to  paulman

I think that guy may be their pick Paul….Vic Beasley.

or they try to trade down for multiple picks in the 2nd, and 3rd….which isn’t a bad move.

DCar
DCar
January 16, 2014 3:22 am
Reply to  gmcliff

gmc, Beasley is too small (6’3″ 225), to be either 5 tech DE, or rush OLB & doesn’t fit our 3-4 scheme. Not a chance. No square pegs, in round holes. We already have 7 out the starting 11 like that.

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 16, 2014 1:12 pm
Reply to  DCar

So DCar, if Khalil Mack, falls to about 14-15, do you trade up to get him from 22?

We both agree, we need ONE OF THE TOP Pass rushing OLB’s in the draft….Do you go for it Bruh?

If not, do you agree with my suggestion to try to trade down, and get multiple picks in the 2nd, and 3rd?…and if he is still available sign Jason Worilds? and draft from the 2nd, and 3rd Rounds? I would be looking for something like this:

1. Kony Ely – DE/OLB 6-5 268 Missouri

2a. Hasan Clinton- Dix -S – 6-2 212 – Alabama
2b. Gabe Jackson OG – 6-4 332 – Mississippi State
2c. Kyle Fuller – CB – 6-1 208 – Virginia Tech

3a. Jeremiah Attoachu – OLB – 6-4 262 Georgia Tech
3b. De’Anthony Thomas – KR/PR – 5-8 182 – Oregon

4a. Aaron Lynch – OLB – 6-4 248 – South Florida
4b. Daniel McCullers – DT – 6-7 362- Tennessee
4c. Pierre DeSir – CB – 6-2 204 – Linwood College

5a. Brett Smith QB Wyoming – QB – 6-3 210 – Wyoming
5b. Logan Thomas QB Virginia Tech – QB – 6-5 232 – Virginia Tech

6. David Born – OG/OT – 6-10 338 – Old Dominion
7. Ethan Westbrooks – DE – 6-5 275 – West Texas A&M

DCar
DCar
January 17, 2014 1:42 am
Reply to  gmcliff

gmc, I love Mack, but only if they move him inside to replace Kendricks, or Ryans. He’s another, that’s too small to be a 3-4 OLB. He’s good in coverage, & can play the run, & blitz, but cannot be an every down rush OLB. We need a 6’4″-6’6″ 275+ pass rusher, that can drop in coverage. I love your 2-7 rounds, but Ealy is too small to be an 5 tech DE, & is not an OLB. He’s more of an every down 4-3 DE. Another round peg, in square hole. Attoachu is 242 lbs. Too small. Thomas is not a 3rd rounder. Ha Ha ain’t getting past 20-25. Guys that I like, that are perfect fits, that could be there IF we stay put, in the 1st. I think teams are going to stupidly make runs at all of the QB’s, so we will get a good player.

WR- Mike Evans- 6’5″ 230- Texas A&M. Kelvin Benjamin- 6’5″ 235- Florida St.
DE/OLB/NT- 5 tech DE Steven Tuitt 6’6″ 315- ND (Usually stay clear of ND, but he’s a monster). 5 tech DE RaShede Hageman- 6’6″ 315. OLB Trent Murphy- 6’6″ 270. NT Louis Nix- 6’3″ 345.

My draft barring trades-
1st- DE Steven Tuitt- ND- 6’6″ 320/ FS Ha Ha Clinton-Dix- 6’1″ 210- Bama.
2nd- WR Jordan Matthews- Vandy/ WR Allen Robinson- PSU- Both 6’3″ 205-210.
3rd- CB Terrance Mitchell- Oregon/ CB Louchiez Purifoy- Florida- Both 6’0″ 195. SS Craig Loston- 6’1″ 210- LSU.
4th- NT Daniel McCullers- Tennessee- 6’6″ 350.
5th(1)- OT Billy Turner- North Dakota State- 6’6″ 315.
5th(2)- De’Anthony Thomas- Oregon- 5’10″ (Lightning).
7th- OG Ryan Groy- Wisconsin- 6’5″ 325.

DCar
DCar
January 17, 2014 1:43 am
Reply to  DCar

Mack would be the perfect 3-4 ILB. He can do everything Kendricks can, but better, & is big enough to cover the opposing TE’s.

DCar
DCar
January 17, 2014 2:11 am
Reply to  DCar

My hopeful off-season-
Let All free agents walk, but Jones, Cooper, Thornton.

Release Wang Chung, Alex Henerey, Arrelious Benn, Brad Smith, Jason Avant, & Matthews.

Renegotiate contracts for Williams, Cole, Peters, Herremans, & Celek, if they refuse, see you too (Cole has $4,800,000 of dead $$$$, so he ain’t going anywhere; WTF contract).

Trade Graham, & Curry.

Sign FA’s SS TJ Ward, NT Linvale Joseph, OLB/DE Michael Johnson, veteran kicker with a strong leg (Folk, Gano, Feely).

Draft
1st round- Ha Ha Clinton Dix.
2nd round- Jordan Matthews.
3rd round- CB Terrance Mitchell- Oregon/ CB Louchiez Purifoy- Florida- Both 6’0″ 195
4th round- NT Daniel McCullers- Tennessee- 6’6″ 350
5th(1)- De’Anthony Thomas- Oregon- 5’10″ (Lightning).
5th(2)- OT Billy Turner- North Dakota State- 6’6″ 315.
7th- OG Ryan Groy- Wisconsin- 6’5″ 325.
If we can pick up some more picks, the merrier. I would love to get at least 2 top half of the draft, & 2 lower round picks, for Graham, & Curry. Do you think we can get a 3 & 5/6 for them both? If we did, I’d get QB Logan Thomas in the 6th, & the rest is icing.

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 17, 2014 9:38 am
Reply to  DCar

We agree, I like Mack too playing the ILB in the 3-4. That’s where he plays right now for Buffalo. He would have to replace Ryans, at least as a future starter until he learns the Pro game. DeMeco is the QB of the Defense, and played well this year – and YES, better than your boy Barwin.

I wouldn’t worry about a 5 technique DE. We need pass rushing OLB’s. They don’t have to be that big.

Kony Ely, is 6-5 275lbs, in the mold of Aldon Smith, who plays OLB in the 49ers Defensive scheme, but unlike A.Smith – Ely runs a 4.62 40 – He is athletic enough to play OLB..

If, I were to focus on a true 5 Technique DE, I would have to go with ReShade Hageman. I would stay away from Steven Truitt. I have seen mocks that have him going in the mid 2nd round, which tells me some scouts see him flash inconsistently. To me he is no better than Vinny Curry. If you draft him what do you do with Fletcher Cox?

Attoachu, will probably put on weight, not much because you don’t want to effect his speed, and they can do that with Kellys Nutrition Program.

I don’t know why, but Ha Ha Clinton-Dix is dropping in a lot of Mocks into the second round.

As far as De’Anthony Thomas is concerned, just like Tavon Austin last year some prospects will be over drafted, because of the potential impact they bring – Thomas will not last until the 5th Round. More like Mid 3rd – early 4th – after he runs his 40 at the combine teams may even clamor to move up to draft him. That’s why I have him in the 3rd.

Don’t sleep on Ely Bruh…..Good Post man….

DCar
DCar
January 17, 2014 11:14 am
Reply to  gmcliff

gmc, gonna be another interesting off-season. Hopefully not as irritating as last years.

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 17, 2014 11:38 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Hopefully DCar, but things don’t begin to come into focus until these prospect start playing against one another at the Senior Bowls, and the Combine. So there will be some changes in our thinking by that time.

But I like Ely more, and more. I really wish we could get he, and Khalil Mack. I would be fine with just that for the draft, but we need Ha Ha, and Gabe Jackson to replace Herremanns.

paulman
paulman
January 16, 2014 1:20 pm
Reply to  DCar

I am not a big fan of Beasley, but if the Eagles Draft him,
he would not play DE in 3-4 Scheme.. He would strictly be a Pass-Rusher like Trent COle from the OLB Position and would be a rotational Player for his 1st Season or 2.. He has the Frame to bulkd up to 255-260lbs in 2 years time but is not a DE in a 3-4 Scheme.. A push Rusher and nothing else which is why I would not select him with the 1st Pick.. Think of a Bruce Irvin Type for Seattle who comes in to do 1 thing and 1 thing only and that’s Rush the Passer, not play the Run Game..

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 16, 2014 8:55 pm
Reply to  paulman

For the record, I don’t like him either. But he is the highest rated OLB on the Board at that point, and your right Paul, he is compared to Bruce Irvin.

So my choice has to be Kony Ely of Missouri, who is very similar to Aldon Smith in size, and potential, playing the other OLB side replacing Trent Cole, and having Jeremiah Attoachu, and Aaron Lynch as depth, and future.

paulman
paulman
January 16, 2014 10:01 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

I like Kony Ely of Missouri also,and have mentioned
Him in a couple of Mocks, unfortunately, he is rising up the charts and will probably go by the 15-17th Pick and not be on the Board
By the time the Eagles Select..
If Eagles stay at #22, you may just see them grab Safety
Calvin Pryor of Louisville .

paulman
paulman
January 16, 2014 10:07 pm
Reply to  paulman

I believe the Top 7-8 Defenders will be long gone for the Eagles
Clowney,Barr,Mack, Ely, Hageman, Nix, & CB’s Denard & Gilbert
Will go in the Top 20..
Eagles will see names like Murphy,Beasley, Safeties,
CB’s & WR’s on the Board when they Select @ 22

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 16, 2014 10:45 pm
Reply to  paulman

If he, or Mack gets to the 15-16 range the Eagles should be thinking about trading up if they want to get a pass rusher in the draft.

For me Pryor is okay, but not in the first round. I get my Safety that drops into the 2nd round, and get 2 young veteran Safeties in Free Agency – Jarius Byrd, and Malcolm Jenkins….

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 16, 2014 10:47 pm
Reply to  paulman

I do not like Justin Gilbert, Trent Murphy, Vic Beasley, nor the Oregon State DE/OLB, whose name escapes me…..

DCar
DCar
January 17, 2014 2:20 am
Reply to  paulman

paul, Pryor is a bit of a reach, especially if Dix is still there. Both are going to be good, but I like Dix a little more, because he’s a bigger play maker. Pryor hits like a Mack truck though & is a better tackler, so I wouldn’t be opposed to it.

DCar
DCar
January 17, 2014 2:23 am
Reply to  paulman

I like S Deone Bucannon- 6’1″ 215- Washington State, in the 2nd also, if we go WR/DE/NT/OLB in the 1st. Going to be an interesting draft.

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 16, 2014 11:01 pm
Reply to  paulman

Vic Beasley is staying at Clemson for his senior year.

paulman
paulman
January 17, 2014 7:59 am
Reply to  Biglion821

Got it on Beasly who should return to School and is not big/strong enough for NFL as an everydown Player
I prefer Safety Pryor over Alabam’s Dix
Pryor is a true Strokg Dafety and brings the Physical prescence that is sorely needed on the back line of Eagles
Dix is more of a Free Safety, better in Pass Coverage than Pryor
Right now, but I like Pryors upside and is much more physical and stronger .. Remember Chip Kelky wants to get Bigger & Stronger Players..

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 17, 2014 9:51 am
Reply to  paulman

Dix is a FS. He would be drafted to replace Nate Allen, but he won’t have to start immediately if they sign Byrd, and Jenkins, and allow Clinton-Dix, and Keelan Johnson, to develop gradually. I wouldn’t be opposed to re-signing Nate Allen, but not as a starter, but for good depth.

Here is my SS draft sleeper – Julien David – Howard – 5’10 210 – 4.54 40.

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 16, 2014 8:16 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Vic Beasley is staying in school.

DCar
DCar
January 16, 2014 3:19 am
Reply to  paulman

paul, we need big-time pass-rushers at 5 tech DE, & Coles OLB spot. Jones is a neither. No thanks.

paulman
paulman
January 16, 2014 1:30 pm
Reply to  DCar

You are not going to find 300lbs Pass Rushers playing the 5 Technique in a base 3-4, that’s the job of the OLB
Do you ever see the Steelers,Ravens,Patriots have their big DE making sacks… The Pass-Rushing from the 3-4 Scheme comes from OLB’s that you move around and get match-ups,delays, A gap,B gap, etc,etc rushes from..
Can anyone show me a 300lb DE in a base 3-4 that’s a Pass-Rusher
maybe Calias Campbell from Arizona, but not many my friend..

DCar
DCar
January 17, 2014 2:45 am
Reply to  paulman

paul, FYI-
In a “normal 3-4 front, the defensive line is typically made up of a nose tackle & 2 DE’s. Those defensive ends typically line up at a 3 & 5 technique. Usually when people talk about a 3-4 defense, or a “true” 3-4, they mean that each D-linemen will be responsible for two gaps against running plays.Typically, & normally, these guys are, near or over 300+ lbs. 280 & lower is small for a 5 tech. They have to be physical & strong, able to play two gaps versus the run, & able to shoot their hands right up into an offensive tackle’s chest, stand him up, & shed the block, move to either side of him to try & make a tackle. They don’t necessarily have to be extremely quick or athletic, but have to be strong & explosive. All I’m trying to say, is in the 3-4, you need size on the line, that can stop the run, & get pressure. Thornton is ok, not a 5 tech, & should be rotating at 3 tech with Cox. Logan is not a NT, & should have never been drafted, especially where they reached. All of the guys you like are too small, & don’t fit in this defense, especially if you have listened to what Chip & Weaselman have been saying since seasons end. They want size, strength, & speed, not to get smaller, & more square pegs in round holes. I like all the guys you like, but they do not fit here, & are suited for the 4-3 defense.

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 17, 2014 10:13 am
Reply to  DCar

Good Post DCar!!!

paulman
paulman
January 17, 2014 11:42 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Exactly DCar.. I agree that the DE’s must get bigger which is why I like an Aurhur Jones, etc,etc But I wanted to make the point that your “Pass-Rushers” are going to come from your “LB Corps” in a 3-4 and not the DE postion.. You are not going to find many big 290-305lbs DE’s who play the 5 Technique who are also able to get to the QB with any consistency..That’s why you have 4 LB’s which 2 of them should be potent Pass-Rushers

DCar
DCar
January 17, 2014 11:53 am
Reply to  paulman

Yeah, you maybe right, but I’ll take at least someone who can stuff the run, & get pressure.

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
January 15, 2014 5:39 pm

They was saying the panthers Gm said they may not have the money to keep hardy and the cowboys may have to release ware just to get under the cap and a few other players

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
January 16, 2014 10:21 am

I wouldn’t be mad at the eagles took a wr in the 1st rd as long as they got a olb and safety in free Agency

greenfan
greenfan
January 16, 2014 1:33 pm

There is some talk out of Miami about a possible trade with the Eagles…Dion Jordan for the #22 pick….or a pick and player.

Any thoughts? I say do it in a minute. Jordan only had 2 sacks in his rookie year, but he was misplaced in the 4-3 scheme. Put him in our 3-4 scheme and I think he will be a pass rushing beast. This would be a HUGE move if Roseman and Gamble could actually pull it off. HUGE.

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 16, 2014 1:42 pm
Reply to  greenfan

I would do it greenfan but would offer a two and not the 22nd pick. The draft class this year looks stacked.

greenfan
greenfan
January 16, 2014 1:47 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Yeah, that sounds like more of what Roseman would offer…..maybe a 2nd round plus a player like graham? I know that the draft looks stacked, but I really believe that Jordan would be a great addition to this team.

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 16, 2014 2:18 pm
Reply to  greenfan

Yep we need more size at the backer position and he would look good coming off that corner.

DCar
DCar
January 17, 2014 2:51 am
Reply to  Biglion821

Didn’t want last year, nor do I want him now, especially for a raw, inexperienced, underweight, guy like Jordan, who is already damaged goods, & you guys want to trade our 1st rounder on him? Greenfan, where did you here this goofy rumor?

DCar
DCar
January 17, 2014 2:53 am
Reply to  DCar

Also, you want to trade a 2nd & a player for him? Get green! Roseman ain’t the brightest bulb in the batch, but he ain’t making a stupid trade like that. When has he ever did something like that?

greenfan
greenfan
January 17, 2014 8:38 am
Reply to  DCar

I saw it at BGN. I don’t have any “sources” like other “employees” on here that are “just doing their job”…..LMAO

DCar
DCar
January 17, 2014 11:17 am
Reply to  greenfan

green, ok, good, I was starting to worry about you! BWAHAHAHA!!!

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
January 16, 2014 3:29 pm
Reply to  greenfan

My source told me its false, that’s why I didn’t post it. Its bologna..

greenfan
greenfan
January 16, 2014 3:33 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

Aren’t you special.

I would say that it is very unlikely to happen because of the huge cap hit the Dolphin’s would have to take, but it doesn’t change the fact that the rumor is being reported elsewhere.

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
January 16, 2014 3:34 pm
Reply to  greenfan

My source knows who started the rumor, there is no truth to it..

greenfan
greenfan
January 16, 2014 3:41 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

Gamble started it, right?

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
January 16, 2014 4:42 pm
Reply to  greenfan

Wrong again greenfan.. haha

greenfan
greenfan
January 16, 2014 4:45 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

Sorry, I forgot. It was your sockpuppet that you named Joe Banner.

Does this make you feel special? You have sources? What a joke.

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
January 16, 2014 11:32 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

I’m just doing my job.. back off pal..

DCar
DCar
January 17, 2014 2:55 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

Your source is your girlfriend Palm-ala! GTFOH you retard!

greenfan
greenfan
January 17, 2014 8:36 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

I am just doing my job? Who hired you? WTF are you talking about? You work for GCobb? You are a strange dude.

This is a public internet posting board for Eagles fans…..what is your job title? King Douche?

DCar
DCar
January 17, 2014 11:19 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

green, his title is Court jester pudd wacker.

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
January 16, 2014 2:17 pm

Where did u hear this at

greenfan
greenfan
January 16, 2014 2:23 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

BGN

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
January 16, 2014 2:29 pm

If it was the case they can have vinny curry and graham &2nd for Jordan and a 4th

DCar
DCar
January 17, 2014 2:56 am
Reply to  gloomysmitty

SMFH!!!!

paulman
paulman
January 16, 2014 2:30 pm

Reports that Redskins want the Eagles #22 Pick

Redksins have the #33 Pick (2nd Pick in the 2nd Round) and their 4th Round Pick (#97th Overall)

greenfan
greenfan
January 16, 2014 2:41 pm
Reply to  paulman

As a rule I hate trading within the division. I would not make that trade Pman.

paulman
paulman
January 16, 2014 2:57 pm
Reply to  greenfan

Me neither.. Screw the Competition, no sense in helping them rebuild

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
January 16, 2014 3:33 pm

Why do the redskins want our pick a and I’ll give them that for rg3

daggolden
daggolden
January 17, 2014 5:41 am

Would you trade #22 for Dion Jordan? Reports are that Jordan is a 3-4 OLB and not being played right. Its reported that Gamble loves him as 3-4. Would you do it? Maybe we can move Graham down there with a 2nd?

DCar
DCar
January 17, 2014 7:13 am
Reply to  daggolden

Nope.

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 17, 2014 12:55 pm
Reply to  daggolden

Yes Dag I would do it especially if Gamble is high on him, look at the Niners defense I think he knows talent. I don’t think he’s playing at 230 and if so why would the Dolphins have him playing DE. Playing a guy out of position is wasting him. So if we can move Graham and get Jordan and only give up a two or three then yes I would do it.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 17, 2014 1:57 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

For a two, yeah, I do it. I can probably move up a little bit in the third round and still secure Deone Bucannon at the safety position. Jordan wasn’t able to lift last year due to his shoulder injury so putting weight on was difficult. That shouldn’t be a problem this year.

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
January 17, 2014 6:42 am

Give graham and curry and a 2nd for Jordan

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 17, 2014 9:59 am
Reply to  gloomysmitty

Thats not going to work Smitty. How does he fit into the Eagles plans to get Bigger?

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 17, 2014 11:46 am
Reply to  gmcliff

6-6 230 lbs that’s small for an OLB……Bigger doesn’t exactly mean taller Bruh….

Kony Ely is 6-5 275 lbs, doesn’t run a 4.5 40, but runs a 4.62 40
I draft him, and keep my second round picks, and try to make trades for more 2nd and 3rd round picks without giving up the farm for Dion Jordan.

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
January 17, 2014 10:14 am

He is 6″6

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 17, 2014 11:47 am
Reply to  gloomysmitty

Actually he measured in at 6-4 1/2 at the combine last year, and he is still light in the pants.,,,,,that not bigger

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
January 17, 2014 11:57 am

Well chip said longer and bigger he is what 22years old I would give up my 2nd curry and graham. Hell curry and graham might not even be here next year anyway so whynt trade them for a olb

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 17, 2014 1:12 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

What he said was we needed to get bigger, and stronger…….. not longer

We don’t want to give up a 2nd, and you won’t have to if you draft Kony Ely, who is equally as talented, but bigger, and stronger…..

Giving up your second for an underachiever is just asinine. Have you considered why the Dolphins want to give up their high #1 pick from last year for a 2nd Round Pick this year?????????????

They don’t need a WR for their #1 pick anyway. This year as last year DEFENSE is a priority.

Linval Joseph is not a game changer. Otherwise, the Giants wouldn’t be letting him walk. So why do you think that makes a difference? Ward is a hitter, but not the cover safety that Jarius Byrd is.

Smitty with all due respect brother , I really don’t think you really understand what is really going to benefit this team……….

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
January 17, 2014 1:53 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

The giants don’t have money to keep him that’s why not cause they don’t want him let me guess if Dallas let’s go of ware cause they afford to keep it’s really cause they don’t want him lol these guys and just cause he didn’t fit in Miami doesn’t mean he won’t fit here they run 4-3 we run a 3-4 he played a 3-4 un college come on people this is not hard to figure out so I guess the bills and browns don’t want there safety’s either since they are gonna be free agents we should let them pass us by also cause there them didn’t want them so we shouldn’t either

paulman
paulman
January 17, 2014 2:24 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

Giants aren’t able to re-sign their own players..
They have Approx $100,000 under their 2014 Salary Cap which does not include deals with their Draft PIcks..
I expect Cullen Jenkins, Mike Patterson, Justin Tuck, Center Dave Bass, Guard David Diehl, LB Keith Rivers, CB’s Aron Ross, and a few other Veteran Players to be flat out released/cut ..
I see their own Free-Agents in WR Nicks, WR Barsden, DT Joseph all moving on
They will shed Payroll and Veteran Players and look to rebuild thru the Draft.. The Cowboys are in a similar situation and the Redskins under a new Program.. This would be the smart time for all 3 of these Teams to look more towards to Future and get their Rosters Younger and get rid of their Dead weight..
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gmcliff
gmcliff
January 17, 2014 4:19 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

Thats not the only reason…

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
January 17, 2014 11:59 am

All ur really giving up is a 2nd cause graham and curry 9times out of ten won’t be here next year anyway

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
January 17, 2014 12:01 pm

All ur really giving up is a 2nd cause graham and curry 9times out of ten won’t be here next year anyway so take the trade if it is even there and keep it moving then with your 1 st rd pick you can take a wr and in free agency get the dt from the giants and tj ward

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 17, 2014 1:14 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

Curry is a good player, and doesn’t HAVE to be traded.

Brandon Graham, was worth more last year when GMCliff said to trade him last offseason, because his production was an aberration….but not this year……He’s not worth a 6th round pick now

paulman
paulman
January 17, 2014 2:32 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Curry & Graham do not fit in this Eagle 3-4 Scheme..
Both have the Size of a OLB back do not have the skill sett,pass coverage abilitites or the agility to play everydown and are only Rotational Pass-Rushers when they go to a “4-3 Pass Rush” in obvious Passing Downs..
If you could get a 2nd or 3rd Rounder for Curry, I move him in a heartbeat.. Graham would only return at 5th/6th Rounder but I would move him too…
Falcons,Giants,Vikings & Bears all play a “4-3” and could all use DE’s

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 17, 2014 4:24 pm
Reply to  paulman

Curry seem to fit in well to me. He had as much impact, when they let him play as Barwin. That’s why he is one of our most valuable trade baits, but he can play in this scheme

I know you are going to give your rebuttal, but I disagree….But I wouldn’t be against getting an extra 2nd for him. But I want more than Dion Jordan……..

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 17, 2014 4:28 pm
Reply to  paulman

Curry is 6-4 275 lbs – he’s not an OLB. He is a DE, and the same size wise as Greg Hardy, whom you love, and the next option behind Fletcher Cox……

He can be traded, but doesn’t have to…….

paulman
paulman
January 17, 2014 5:16 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Greg Hardy is a DE in a 4-3, same as Curry.. Your missing the point
GMCliff… Coach Kelly wants bigger Players and 290lb-300 lbs DE’s .. He want’s OLB’s at 260 and not 240lbs but who still have the athleticism to rush the Passer and drop back in Pass-Coverage..
Curry,like Graham are caught in the middle physically where they are not quite bit enough to play DE in the Base 3-4 Scheme, and they are not athletic enough to drop in pass-coverages which is required when playing OLB’s…
I like Curry alot, I just don’t think he’ a good fit for this 3-4 System other than an occasional Pass-Rusher.. He has not shown to be an everydown player yet as an Eagles, (just like Graham hasn’t been able to either) so if you can get a 3rd Rf for Curry and a 5th/6th for Grham, I take it in a heartbeat and move forward on getting bigger & stronger

paulman
paulman
January 17, 2014 5:22 pm
Reply to  paulman

and as far as Dion Jordan, I wanted nothing to do with him last Draft and my opinion of him has not changed..
Very raw, stiff, needs upper body strength,lateral agility, he’s just a freak of an athlete but will need 2-3 Years develop if he ever develops He really hasn’t played a lot of Football and his inexperience really shows, as does his athleticism, he just has to learn how to use it and needs good and constact Coaching..
I wish him well, but I don’t expect that he will ever be more than a Role Player in the NFL which is what I though when he was coming out of College…

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 17, 2014 10:09 pm
Reply to  paulman

You have a point about Jordan – I agree with you…

DCar
DCar
January 18, 2014 2:29 pm
Reply to  paulman

paul, all 3 of us agreed on Jordan last year. The Birds are going to regret over-drafting Johnson, & not taking my boy Lotulelei.

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 17, 2014 10:08 pm
Reply to  paulman

Like I said..I disagree…in reference to Curry

Graham – you know what I wanted to do last year with that mistake.

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
January 17, 2014 6:51 pm

Paulman I don’t think cliff gets it he thinks when a team let’s a player go to free agency it’s cause they don’t want him but 95% of the time it’s money reasons most teams wanna keep there own unless they have off the field stuff going on

paulman
paulman
January 17, 2014 7:26 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

I agree, I’m about 99% positive that Giants would love to keep the 6-3
315lbs run-stuffer Kinval Joseph who they Drafted
A few years back, but their almost at the Csp Kevel right now and have sone
5-6 Veteran Players they have to cut/release before resigning any of their guys..
The Cowboys & Redskins are in a similar boat..

DCar
DCar
January 18, 2014 2:31 pm
Reply to  paulman

paul, Joseph is 6’4″ 325.

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 17, 2014 10:05 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

Cliff is very intelligent, and doesn’t need an explanation.

What your saying – goes without saying that they would like to have him back.

My response to you, was based on the way you were stating L.Joesph, and TJ Ward, Dion Jordan, picking a WR with our #1 pick, and having no 2nd round pick were going to solve our issues.

I want him too, but I don’t want Jordan, Ward, or WR in the 1st Round. That is what we need, but we need better options than what you posted.

DCar
DCar
January 18, 2014 2:36 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

gmc, you undervalue Ward. He has been a very good, young SS, with an albatross of an organization. I agree about about Jordan, but also disagree about your assessment about using a 1st on a WR. You’re telling me, if Evans & Benjamin are there at 22, you won’t take them? They are both exactly what this team has lacked since TO, an big, fast, talented, #1 WR.

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 18, 2014 5:18 pm
Reply to  DCar

No I don’t DCar….I wouldn’t mind at all if they signed him, but if Howie is going to underwhelm us by not signing He or Malcolm Jenkins, along WITH Jarius Byrd…Then I would rather have Byrd…

If those two were to come available at #22 – No…… I want Defense predominantly in the first 3 Rounds…I like Both WR’s,but I think both will be better College Receivers, than NFL Receivers…..

DCar you’ve known me that last few years, and that there are times I don’t always support the popular decision on some of the popular prospects……

I like those two, but I am underwhelmed somewhat with what I assess them as pros….Paul is correct when he says, there will be growing pains, but it depends upon them….which I cannot dictate, or say for sure confidently…

paulman
paulman
January 18, 2014 2:58 pm

Well the Off-Season is just getting Stsrted for the Eagles
I have to believe if Eagles Re-sign both WR Cooper & Maclin that selecting a WR is not going to happen not should it..
I believe Kelly’s goal and plan is to get Defense stronger up the middle
At Strong Safety, LB & DT and a Pass-Rusher ..
Free-Agency begins March with Draft pushed back to Late May so we should have a pretty good idea by May what their strategy will be for the Draft
Bases who they acquire or lose during Free-Agency

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 18, 2014 5:19 pm
Reply to  paulman

I agree Paul…

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 18, 2014 5:29 pm

Here is a late Round Middle Linebacker that should be drafted or signed as a UFA, by the Eagles….Jeremiah George – Iowa State – MLB 6-0 225

and WR – Cory Washington – Newberry College – 6-5 203 4.38
Alex Neutz – Buffalo – 6-3 205

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 18, 2014 9:19 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Those guys were given a lot of attention during the NFLPA practices during the week. I will be looking at the game to see what players stood out tomorrow.

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 19, 2014 9:11 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

All 3 are very good prospects….I mocked George, and Neutz as Undrafted Free Agents months ago…….

Washington is a good Prospects….the better teams get it done in the 3-7 rounds, and with UDFA…..

paulman
paulman
January 18, 2014 10:12 pm

CB from Duke had a nice game as did the QB
Gardolfolo..

concrete_marley
concrete_marley
January 19, 2014 12:16 am

I want Mack! He’s what we need. A flat out stud! Cliff/Paul do you see any way we can get him?

paulman
paulman
January 19, 2014 8:15 am

Khalil Mack will most likely go in in the Top 8th to 13th
Selection of the Draft , so for the Eagles to move up would cost
Them probably their 1st Rd #22 , 3rd Rounder. #86, and either a Player
Or a future 2015 Pick (3rd or 4th Rounder…which is too steep a price to pay in my opinion., though Mack appears to be a very good Prospect
If Mack drops down to close to 20th and still on the Board, then maybe they can get him with just a 3rd or 4th Rounder (along with their 1st Rd)
Lots of Teams like Mack and for good reason
The Bills, TB Bucs,Giants,Steelers,Lions,Ravens, are all said to like him and could use some LB’s also …

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 19, 2014 9:15 pm
Reply to  paulman

He may be out of reach. Kony Ely, should be the pick…

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 19, 2014 9:20 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Unless you give up future 1st round picks…which may be too steep.

I have been talking about Khalil Mack since the end of last season, when no one knew who he was. He would be perfect playing next to Myckal Kendricks, but he could guard the TE.

Then again, could Howie make some noise in the draft by doing that, and stocking picks….NAAAAAHHH!!! Sounds too much like GMCliff. He could never be me.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 19, 2014 9:31 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

I’ll give you props on that Cliff. I looked Khalil Mack up after I saw you post about him and started to watch Buffalo play to look at his skill set.

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 20, 2014 1:29 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

I also talked about the QB from Eastern Illinois Eagle, he looked better than all 4, 1st Round QB’s, and potentially could be. I wouldn’t be against the Eagles grabbing him in the late 2nd- early 3rd..He has the tools, he just needs NFL Coaching, and experience, as does Billy Smith, of Wyoming, and Logan Thomas, who is a better athlete, bigger, and faster than the later.

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 20, 2014 1:36 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Eagle, This is a year where you can find value, in the small schools for Talent in the draft, and UDFA crops…

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 20, 2014 2:27 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Logan Thomas needs a good NFL QB coach, he wasn’t coached up at all by the coaches at Tech.

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 20, 2014 5:48 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Logan Thomas has major talent. It would do him some good to hold the clipboard, as well as Jimmy Garappolo from Eastern Illinois

paulman
paulman
January 19, 2014 9:29 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Konya Ely will be off the Board by the 17th Pick
DE/OLB will be Players like Trent Murphy, Van Noy,
Shazier, and 2nd Round Grade DE
It may be better to get a higher rated CB/Safety
At #22 then reaching for a 2nd Round Grade Talent at DE/OLB
#22

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 19, 2014 9:36 pm
Reply to  paulman

Can Kony Elaly cover, we need a LB that can cover and rush the QB. If he can’t do both I’m not interested when it comes to my first round pick. No, I can get my safeties in the second and Johnathan Dowling in the 5th, and my corner in the fourth.

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 20, 2014 1:33 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Yes he can cover, and rush the QB – Think Aldon Smith, who also does both…..

You may be able to get Dowling in the 7th Round – He has some cover-ability issues that concern scouts, along with his speed.