No wife or kids, Chip Kelly is married to football. Coaching is about football with an “emphasis” on culture. Operating as the general manager and head coach is a job; unlike the role that Andy Reid once served, this is not about being a “parental” figure for his players.
The relationship with the guys Chip coaches is difficult to understand. One must wonder if a nurturing like quality is even a part of Chip’s DNA. With how playmakers like Desean and McCoy exited, to the back and forth passive-aggressive comments towards Mathis, does it essentially come down to “shape up or be shipped out?”
How many players currently on the Eagles are on edge? Kendricks and Boykin have to feel like it’s a matter of time before they are traded. Cox heard their name rumored in draft deals. What level of confidence is he feeling that his next contract in the NFL will be with the Philadelphia Eagles?
Think about your own work environment and the impact that transpires when management makes moves or demands a certain standard. No matter how comfortable you were or how valuable you believed yourself to be, everyone is replaceable.
Has the message of culture trumped the infatuation for the high-tempo offense? That Monday night game against the Redskins was a long time ago, yet it was and remains a big reason people still rave about offensive genius that Chip Kelly is.
He is obviously different, pretty much everything about the way he approaches the game of football is quite estranged from the normal tendencies that we have become accustomed to seeing.
Approaching the game from a different perspective is a respected risk, but how you respect others can be risky.
Has Chip crossed a line with the regards to culture, or is he is merely trying to build “his” team?
You writers are getting ridiculous with Kelly scrutinizing every friggin thing the guy says , does, or doesn’t do, McCoy makes a stupid racist statement and the tables get turned on Chip,ooo the boogyman gonna get the players they are on edge. Give me a break write some plausible material please! The guy has some remarkable credentials be thankful he landed here we had 14 yrs of an idiot that had more of a napoleanic mentalitiy than anyone and you didn’t kill him you just had your nose so far up his butt it was brown! Fans tired of the bullshit lets read about the team and its players all the real things pertaining to football not this babyfied bullshit you call yourself a writer than really write! The first paragraph you wrote started and sounded stupid we’re to take it because he is not married and has no kids ( which has no basis for what the hell you are writing ) that he coaches the players with a parents mentality. Guess he should pack a lunch for them before they play
Smoothies, it’s all about the smoothies.
My reference about not being marries or having kids, supports that all Chip does is think and live football.
I don’t give McCoy a free pass for what he said, I think he should focus on his new team, but reporters know that Lesean will give them material to write about, he did that while he was an Eagle as well.
As far as culture. It’s important, but should it be everything, and should it hold the weight that Chip is enforcing?
Talent wins Super Bowls, not guys who are former boy scouts.
Chip has been interesting with what he “allows” with former behaviors, like Kiko and Hicks who both run ins with the law in college, and then Cooper during his time in the NFL.
Ditto DonP
But wait Jefff, workplace environment doesn’t matter with the money they’re being paid and yes that’s sarcastic, oh and workplace environment doesn’t matter so why is getting rid of cancers important? That was sarcastic as well. Why take shots at Mathis if culture and workplace environment matter? The problem is the ego of the LLCB and it really should be apparent by now. As an Eagles fan just win that’s all just win.
“Talent wins Super Bowls, not guys who are former boy scouts.”
So there aren’t any talented former boy scouts ?
Agreed.
Why do so many people feel that these 2 things are separate? That somehow, in order to be talented, you also have to be an ass?
That its an either/or proposition. Either talent OR culture, but not both?
Bobby Orr would disagree.
Agreed. When I go down the rabbit hole with people on here it’s this very topic.
DJax is the only guy IMO we downgraded from. MacLin was pure money.
I think people who see better talent on the board and passed over is a hard thing for some to digest, admittedly myself included. For example, DGB obviously had some issues in school, but he is a stud WR. I am on record that I like Aghalor, but, DGB has better talent whether it be in Kelly’s scheme or in anther. I have seen footage of DGB blocking too, so it is not as if he does not do that. yes Aghalor is the better route runner, but that is coaching.
Can Chip manage different and perhaps more difficult personalities that have better talent, or does he shy away from it because he does not want to at the cost of the teams success or the fans experience?
At the end of the day I am a fan and I want to see the best product on the field. I admittedly do not have to concern myself with the different attitudes on the field, but I had to do it in the classroom when I was a teacher. And yes, it can be a difficult task as every teacher has knuckleheads in the classroom, but they have to be managed. Effective teachers can do it, it’s called management, those teachers who can’t ultimately leave as they are not cut out to do the job successfully. Is it an even comparison… of course not, teaching children is harder, however, they both require a certain skill, ability, and inner strength and ability to manage various personalities and psyches at the same time.
This season, we will see talent vs. culture, as I believe the Eagles have the better culture, but the cowboys have the better talent.
To that EHL outside a mega trade mastered by a mega mind its been 20 years since Jerrys approach has done anything.
Building a team and acquiring talent are two different things. I understand the frustration.
What I dont understand on here is the vitriol against Kellys approach when this fan base sat through Andy Reid for a decade. Just look at the draft for Reids first 8 years and look what he passed up. Especially at WR when he was a passing coach.
I get lumped in with the Chip can do no wrong….but I just remember the nonsense that we put up with…that still put a winner on the field when many of us could have went the other way to try for a championship.
Izzell, you feel my frustration, two of the guys I would have liked the Eagles to roll the dice with is on the team I despise the most. I know it’s been a long time since Dallas has won, but they have. All teams that I can remember that has won the bowl had a nut, hell bellicheat brought back Blount because he recognized he needed that talent to help him with his objective, to win the bowl.
Kelly’s culture club needs to produce this year..I need to see something and 10 wins is not going to get it.
Bruh, watching Collins go to the boys was a hit form me, especially looking at our O line. That’s what ticked me off.
We have the same frustration just different approaches. Last year when we couldnt convert short yardage situations I blew my stack. I started the year off optimistic as hell but the realist saw this team was just mediocre. IMO we are still miss the ultimate game changer(whether it be offensively or defensively)
But to me….this goes further back than two years with Chip. What the Eagles are experiencing is what happened when you have multiple years of mediocrity like we had the last few years with Reid. We never imploded so we didnt have the chance for high draft picks in multiple years etc. Put that together with the 2011 draft where we should have impact on this team right now and misses like Brandon Graham over Earl Thomas thats more than needs to be said for me.
Its not a Chip cant do no wrong with me….its that Chip cant change years of foolish arrogant moves that happened under the previous regime in just two years.
I thought DJax was a talented player….but just like McCoy when we need the tough play he didnt get that for us….eventually thats how I look at this team now. The Vick 70 yard bomb highlights were awesome….Shady breaking ankles on cutbacks were awesome…..
however our seasons as Eagles fans always come down to them breaking our hearts not picking up 3rd and 5 or less….or our QB not being able to convert an easy out route….
Hell outside of Foles here and there….name a QB that we have had that could throw the back shoulder fade? Or timing routes where the ball was there before the WR got to his spot.
Im just as tired as you are lol.
Man spare me the “culture” bullshit!
You win in the NFL with talent!
The ONLY bad move by Kelly was the Djax move…
Kelly got rid of significant talent and didn’t replace it
Every other move has been feasible
What Shady says about Chip is irrelevant
Chip has to win bottom line and talent is what will do it not “culture”
Vinnie, I don’t think anyone is saying that, the biggest ass right now happens to be the Head Coach,explain Riley Cooper an ass that is at best a 4th receiver. That culture shit is so overplayed its ridiculous. The very best coaches manage personalities. Izell different sport but the only time Stephen Jackson was really manageable is when he played for Pop in San Antonio.
Pop got rid of Stephen Jackson too though BigL but I understand where your going with that. I would run but naked across the B.F. Bridge to get Dez Bryant. Lol I was never a huge DJax fan though…so thats why that moved didnt piss me off. But Riley Cooper running shitty routes certainly did.
Comparable Big would be kind of how J.R. Smith is now back to being a super talent with the Cavs….but the big difference is they have Lebron.
The Birds just havent had a Lebron type talent in a very long time….since Brian Dawkins.
Oh I agree with you 100 percent on that Izell not one negative peep out of JR since he’s been in Cleveland and I also agree with the Dawkins comment.
Kelly has to win a playoff game or two this upcoming season. He has “his guy”, his culture and has jettisoned the guys he does not believe buys into his culture. If he fails to improve upon his first season, but regresses again, will Kelly be worth keeping around. All of this stuff being said about Kelly, be it true or not (for the record I do not think he is a racist, although it was stupid to keep racist Riley who is a sub average player) on this roster. It did hurt the locker room culture and what you are hearing is the residue of that. No matter what, this off season has been one of ups and downs, the Eagles are being talked about nationwide and not in a good way. As I stated, if Kelly fails to improve the team this year in terms of post season play, you have to start to consider the culture brand of this team. I was not on board with the Kelly hiring, but he has provided some good moments. At the end of the day, his culture philosophy over talent needs to produce more than good feelings in the locker room, which there does not appear to be a lot of right now. Deez!!!
Kelly better figure how to beat the Cowboys..
The NFC East goes thru Dalas these next 2 Years…
The Giants/Redskins are improved and have their QB’s in place
The Eagles still have ?? At QB…
The ENTIRE NFC may go through Dallas if they have as dominant a line and run game and Jones and Gregory contribute.
Washington and New York are not a threat. 5-11 teams.
****Rumors*****
Cowboys Trade OT Doug Free, Safety JJ Wilcox & RB D McFadden
To the Minnesota Vikings for RB Adrian Petersen
Would you do that if you were the Vikings. Doubt it!
Paulman if the Vikings didnt get their hands on Traes Waynes I would have seen a trade for Peterson that could have involved Morris Clairborne.
I don’t think Petersen goes anywhere.
Also if they traded for Petersen who wants a new HUGE contract….they pretty much lit the fuse to have Dez Bryant go APE SHIT.
In this nfl world ,where results are all that matters ,I could care less if chip Kelly assembles a cast of misfits ,as opposed to the “boy George” culture club.His only common denominator that I see is his avoidance and distaste for “look at me guys” He wants a cohesive team ,that puts winning above all else.If minimizing outside distractions by increasing the character of guys ,is a means to an end..I’m on board..we now don’t have to intercept Jeffrey’s copious notes,or wonder where howies next scurrilous press release is coming from..accountability ,wins and losses and performance when the lights are bright..bottom line..that trumps culture bs…
Izzy I’m in total agreement ..we all lived through the AR gruff and injuries opening line too long..We saw awful time management ,in my opinion ,we haven’t recovered yet from the body blow of Jim johnsons passing..coaches as well as players matter in this league ..Schemes matter more than ever in this copy cat league..we can’t allow chip to try to put a round peg into a square hole ..that was the AR standard ..what I want to see this season is a turnover being Apple or otherwise ,but not my QB throwing or fumbling it..Nothing is as deflating as giving up possession,especially when your defense can’t stop the long ball..that just adds to the mistake ,yielding positive results for the opposition..I want to see positive yardage on 1st and 2nd downs ,making the risks minimized..I do feel he’s addressed both concerns ..let’s see it play itself out..red zone effectiveness now has to be a stat from the past ..If the front 7 which is as constituted the front 15 has the depth to pressure Romo into submission ,I do feel demarco murrays exit has put Dallas down a few notches..Romo can’t beat you by his lonesome ,but let’s be real ,the whole season is riding on Sam I am..his history is he’s fragile , cowers under duress ..and as bill parcels said it best ..you are what your record says you are..
Desert Sam Bradford is boom or bust gamble. I think we all agree.
However Sam Bradford is and Chip saying hes our QB is easier to swallow than Andy saying we dont have a problem at WR after James Thrash and Todd Pinkston got manhandled vs Carolina and JAKE DELHOMME WENT TO THE SUPERBOWL!!!!!!!
NEVER FORGET LOL
JAMES TRASH AND TODD STINKSTON…..JESUS I FORGOT ALL ABOUT THAT……LOL…..I heard the seahawks and wilson are far apart on the deal….he wants 100 millions over 5 years they only think he is worth 80 million…..that’s well below market value….maybe vinnie was dead on saying wilson isn’t that good
Remember WR Charles Johnson… pewee!
Man looking back at Andy Reid’s tenure he was MR. Square peg round hole…..But he will be knows as the best eagles coach ever
How about Na Brown…..
Or Gari Scott or Billy McMullen……
OH boy Billy Mcmullen that guy is a dick…..I went to a football camp at UVA and he was there….and he thought he owned the damn planet….he a lil bitch
How do people feel the outcome will ultimately be in terms of boykins..kendricks and mathis ?
Jeff if they had Mathis on the block for two years then Kendricks will still be here IMO. I think Boykin will be in a death battle with Walter Thurmond for the slot CB position and will be a preseason flip for depth or a starter if something happens in camp.
Z…Remove lynch from Seattle ,then tell me wilsons value..these RO abs are delusional
RO.qbs…
He does make some clutch plays but I don’t put him in the elite qb class…..I have always said Luck is the best to them all
NFL.com is reporting Seahawks are offering and Andy Dalton type contract and Wilson wants Rodgers money…..its about to go down in Seattle.
I would be shocked if Wilson wasn’t under center for that team for the next 5 years.
It wouldnt be shocking Jeff….fans really dont dig deep enough sometimes. The Seahawks have gotten away with paying less than 2 million I believe to the QB position since RW has stepped.
They understand that with his contract they will literally have to get rid of a Chancellor, Bennett, and the kid in the middle drawing a blank on his name.
They can have Bradford and Sanchez for him ijs
If cooper,celeck or demeco is staring this yr chip needs to be shot
gents at GCOBB – I have an apology to make. the sceanrio is simple – one poster wrote Chip Kelly is overrated – another poster wrote – the coach has won 20 games in 2 years – – another poster decided to show how ‘smart and tough’ he was by being an ass – fairly typical for GCOBB –
I rememebered reading somewhere that there were fewer then 10 coaches in the entire history of the NFL that have won 20 games in their first two years – so I started to look up the total number of coaches and how many won 20 games first two season (hint – Pete Carroll and Bill Bellicheck didn;t do it). At the same time, I took a phone call from my mother – my old man just had his knee replaced. As I started to post, I used the pronoun I vice the pronoun he, incorrectly taking credit for a post that was not mine.
The original poster was a gent named invino – dude, sorry – there are a few guys on here who are ignorant jackasses that have zero clue about football (notice all the pop warner and high school state champions these guys have coached up!) but I screwed up and have now tainted your posts with mine, another reason for them to not see their own ignorance as they are cashing their food stamp checks for tall boys at lunch.
To Biglion – enjoy the win ass clown, you have a lifetime of experience being wrong and then changing the topic to hide your ignorance, I gave you an easy one = but then again – I am pretty sure you are used to not having to work for anything.
To the rest of GCOBB – you guys that have seen me post before know that I often take on any and all comers, and can argue football all day long, I do not need to have someone else ‘back’ me up, though I do notice a group (Big, Kool, GM) that all sound like they are giving each other reach arounds as they post – you guys want to bust my balls – go for it – I fucked up and posted the I not he – leave the other guy out of it – has anyone ever seen a poat where some said – wow Navy – you are so smart and we love your posts! – no, you haven’t –
BigLion – I need those happy clown feet – quick run down to the corner and find which one of those three guys holding the pointing arrow pizza sale signs is your father and see if I can borrow his –
Dude whatever the only ass clown is the multiple poster ass clown who outs himself as an ass clown by not knowing what poster you’re responding as. What a load of bs, didn’t you okay this post with your other personality? Enjoy the win? Are you a 2nd grader? Enjoy that 20 win parade ya idiot.
“Can’t we all just get along” — Rodney King
No E0S he needs to be in the dumb poster penalty box, a 5 day major and 15 day misconduct penalty for being a dumb ass poster. Served concurrently, lol
oh little pussy – glad you are enjoying – I gift wrapped and handed it to you – you should be able to milk that one for a coupla weeks – after all you having nothing football related to offer –
see I would use the analogy most adults would understand, you hit send on that email to your boss before it was ready, accidentally sent an email to the wrong person or forgot to include someone, you submitted the rough draft of the paper, because you weren’t focused or where doing a couple things at once – but I realize those analogies would be lost on you because it assumes you have ever held a job or gone to school –
and the issue was NOT 20 wins, the issue was is Chip Kelly overrated – as in the total existence of the NFL only 450 or so folks have risen to be NFL Head coaches, and less then 10 of those have won 20 games their first two years, he has done something only 2% of NFL coaches have ever done – outperforming 98% of all head coaches –
only 6 coaches have taken the team to the super bowl in first year with a team (not as an NFL Head coach – but with anew team) and only two won it in first year (Siefert and Tomlin) and Switzer won it in his second (and those were already pretty damn good teams) – so again out of 450 NFL coaches – Kelly is overrated becuase he is not in the top 99.33 (r couldn’t match) those others he is ‘overrated’
Any others want to jump in here and throw in some folks I may have missed –
I realize these big numbers are throwing you off as you had issues even understanding what the discussion was about
Did I enjoy the 20 wins – sure did – much more then the combined 12 the two seasons prior – but not as much as the 25 combined wins in 03-04.
So go ahead and do your little bitch dance away from what the actual discussion was about or better yet, just go along with the whole multiple poster multiple personality thing – you got nothing when it comes to an actual discussion of football – and if it is 15 days for a dumb ass poster – we won;t hear from you till about next July –
enjoy your weekend – you have my permission to get the last word – and being the subservient little bitch you are you will take it –
LOL you still posting? Oh name calling now? The more your dumbass posts the worse you sound. In the penalty box dumb ass. Sorry dummy pay attention to my posts just me no aliases my shit makes sense meanwhile you type 7 paragraph posts that don’t say shit. Have a great weekend invino or Navy just remember those clown shoes.
Man ,theres no use arguing with the idiots on this site ,they are all just looking for something to be negative about.Where else can someone like ertz can say sam bradford has the strongest arm that he has ever worked with ,and the people on this site say hes lying ,ertz doesnt know what he talking about etc.Its the same when people commented months ago after macklin signed with kc that whats going to happen now with riley cooper as the starter ,these dopes cant see beyond today.I kew that the draft was loaded at wr and the eagles would be fine .Why people cant just try and enjoy the ride is beyond me.Chip kelly wins 10 games in each of his first 2 years ,and as you mentioned only a handful of nfl coaches have done that ,and these people are suggesting if he doesn’t win 11 or 12 games along with a couple of playoff games he should be gone.just totally nuts.All you people , now just try and imagine sam bradford with his quick release and accuracy ,along with a good offensive line , terrific targets to throw to,what should be a very good running game ,and an coach that may be the best in football from an offensive standpoint.Please all of you do your self a favor and google sam bradford and watch the 30 minute video of every throw over 15 yards i think it was.You will see the potential of this offense .I predict bradfords numbers ,in this offensive system,will be great.[my guess 65 % ,3500-4000 yards,30 tds,10 ints and he will make the pro bowl .The eagles will win 10-12 games [my best guess is 11] and a playoff game maybe more if they are fortunate from an injury standpoint ,and the defense is improved as much as i think it will be [top 10 in the league which really is not a strech when you saw what the front 7 was like last year and the secondary just left the d down. Should be a lot different with just decent defensive backfield play [last years was ebarassingly bad].Try and enjoy the season and break away from the negativity which the philadelphia media feeds on .
“I predict bradfords numbers ,in this offensive system,will be great.[my guess 65 % ,3500-4000 yards,30 tds,10 ints and he will make the pro bowl .”
Last QB over 18 games:
63% 5052 yrds 40tds 12 ints
This “great” season is a downgrade over what we had….and yet we paid a 2nd round pick for said downgrade….why is one “Great” yet the better not?
LOL oh boy.
Dude we can talk sports but I don’t think you could keep up, pick one sport any sport and I’ll sit your dumbass at the kids table where you belong. But that’ll have to wait while you research more meaningless stats.
invinoveritus
May 7, 2015 – 2:50
yeah – those damn coaches that win 20 games in their first two seasons – so overrated… had anyone ever rated Chip higher then that?
I commented on the 20 wins idiot or did you get mixed up with your different names? Like I said typing 7 paragraphs for nothing who gives a shit if he’s overrated or underrated, win some damn playoff games and get us in the Bowl shit on those 20 wins.
Yo big these multiple profiles is getting out of hand…….Im tired of the people actually doing it….just a bitch move
Z, I don’t get that shit when we post I know your not anyone else same with Dcar and Izell. Cliff has taken that shit over the top but I understand why.
I’ve been called just about everything from time to time by most Posters on here over the Years, but one thing I haven’t been accused of is a multi-sign-on poster…
I have multiple personalities as it is under paulman and don’t need to establish another sign-on…. Ha ..
Paulman you are unique and nobody can come up with the stuff you do. Gloomy’s crazy ass tries but to no avail, lol.
Lol 821 I have that’s all
Suprise! I am Vinnietheevictor and Koolidiot!
As far as culture is concerned there is an article in the Delaware news journal by Martin frank about kellys type of player. Most of his picks are college graduates, academic all American types…. Started their masters degree etc. hard workers and smart… They aren’t me first types.
Check it out on delawareonline.com
Yeah I saw that. The culture aspect is much overblown. Just a talking point for both sides to vent on each other.
Brian Dawkins was a clean cut as we know. His talent and big game play is all that mattered