It’s still early in the baseball season, and with few wins as of late, some would like to hold up the fire sale and see how things work it.
The fact of the matter is the Philadelphia Phillies are not a good baseball club. There are certainly tradable assets that could help the much belated rebuilding process which should have begun a few years back.
So if the writing is on the wall, when should Amaro start selling?
The opportunity for Amaro to go out on a “positive” note is available, but if it happens is a different story. Amaro is known around MLB as asking for overpriced returns when trying to trade players on his team. Listening and accepting offers for players would be a concept that fans have long waited for. Retaining members of the 2008 Champion to help sell tickets is no longer a marketing win for the Phillies.
It’s time, between now and the end of the 2015 season to collect young talent that can be immediate and future help for the Phillies.
How realistic is it for Amaro to find a new home for players currently on the roster; Hamels, Harang, Papelbon, Utley, Ruiz, Howard and Revere?
-Obviously Cole Hamels is the biggest prize on the Phillies roster for any team seeking an elite lefty with postseason success.
-Papelbon is now the all-time saves leader in Phillies history; and is once again having a solid season. Closers have really struggled this season, and the big price tag that once scared other teams could certainly appear manageable.
-Harang was a cheap signing that could amount for a respectable payout for the Phillies.
-Ryan Howard actually has value? Yes, he does at the moment with the recent surge in hitting but Amaro will likely have to have to eat 90% of the remaining contract to get a deal done.
-Utley, Ruiz and Revere are going to get you very young prospects that may never even make it to the big leagues. This is where the Phillies scouting department and minor league affiliates have to be great.
The Phillies are in desperate need of hitters as their pitching depth throughout the minor leagues has better depth and talent then their position players. You really can never have enough pitching, but Citizens Bank Park is designed for home runs to be slugged, and there are very few power hitters in the current Phillies farm system.
I personally have little faith that Amaro will actually make all of the moves that he “should” make. I could see Papelbon, Revere, Harang and veterans like Francoeur and Sizemore being traded, with not a single major league ready player coming back to the Phillies.
My Trade a rumor of the Week
Phils Send Closer Papelbon, Harrange
And Francouer to Detroit Tigers for
OF Cesspedes and a Pitching Prospect
Seems odd that the Phil’s didn’t extend or fire Ruben before the season. If he’s on the hot seat why would you let him make up to about 5 trades this season?
Several AL teams that are in the race have a DH hitting 200. Howard certainly does have value. Pap should go ASAP as you never know with an aging pitcher.
Paul, why would they want Ceswdes?
OF Cespedes is an every day, All-Star OF
Who hits for Average, Power and has one of the best
Throwing Arms in all of MLB..
He would hit 35 HR’s a Season playing at CBP
The Tigers don’t really need him and have big long term deals
Tied up already with Cabrers,Martinez & Verlander
To Sean
Francouer would simply be a toss in..
Tigers have young OF Talent and Francouer would be a 4th/5th
OF, a Backup DH & 1B to spell Cabrera occasionally…
Who is a FA at the end of the year… Pay attention son
Francouer is a bum has has no market value so I don’t believe the Phillies will be able to deal him.
I think it’s inevitable that we trade one of our pitchers to the Dodgers, and if Ruben isn’t already on the phone with them he should be fired immediately. You would think it would be a likely landing spot for Hamels, but I’m not so sure the Dodgers are willing to trade for him. Reason being is the Dodgers are loaded with young talent, especially in the OF, and the Phillies know this. They will charge the Dodgers more than they would any other team, and the Dodgers would be smart to be careful. I think the Dodgers would be better off going for a better value guy, not neccesarily an Ace. For our teams sake, I hope they trade Hamels around the trade deadline for either A. Guerrero, Scott Van Slyke, or Andre Ethier, along with some minor league prospects. So a MLB ready OF, and talent for the future, probably positional players because we seem to have decent arms in our farm system.
As for Papelbon and Howard, the team would have to eat 90% of their contracts in order to make a deal work. I would like to see Papelbon traded to the Cubs. He fits the culture there, Theo Epstein is a fan of his, and they need an experienced closer if theyre going to make a push in the playoffs.
As for Howard, I’m not sure if there are an good DH fits for him. I think we have have to hope he stays hot and see if any teams in the AL start battling injuries. My only thought would be Detroit, who just lost Victor Martinez for an extended period of time, leaving Miguel Cabrera with little protection in the line up. We will see how this plays out, but it would be foolish to make trades right this instance because player values are maximized closer to the deadline.
-Ethier? WTF? He is owed 34 million for 2016 and 2017 and he is 33. Forget it.
-Scott Van Slyke? Not even an every day player
-Guerero is not really an OF and he is 28, but at least he has talent. I will give you that
I think that the Phils will be in full prospect mode here. There isn’t really a match with LA because the Dodgers have big plans for the blue chip prospects. Pederson is going nowhere, Seager is biding his time until they are done with the J-Roll experiment and Urias is their future compliment ot Kershaw. But who knows. With Ryu’s injury and Kershaw scuffling a little maybe they get desperate at the deadline. I think that the better fit is with the Sox because they are loaded still.
bugs, if I were a betting man I’d put some cash on the sox.
Me too. They have the greater need and the deeper system with the influx of Cuban talent too. They also don’t have Kershaw/Greinke on the front end.
Ethier would atleast be a solid corner outfielder for the next 2-3 seasons while we rebuild. I’m sorry but I would take him in a second over any of our other outfielders, and if Ruben is going to try to keep fans interested these next few years they need atleast a name or two to put fans in the seats. Thats the only reason I say Ethier, plus you know the Dodgers are willing to dish him.
Also Van Slyke and Guerrero are having decent years, and are under the age of 30. Could be decent players for the future.
Obviously the value would be in the prospects
sean I don’t see them taking on an aging veteran at all. They have more than their fair share. I see them coming out of this summer with 2 almost ready prospects and 2-3 that are a couple years away- if the prospects they bring in along with galvis, Crawford, franco, asche, Hebrerra plus the pitching… then you could see them in 2-3 years bringing in a veteran FA
They also have Puig and Crawfords contract on the books for another couple of years. They are over crowded x 10 in the OF.
Oh I know why the Dodgers want to trade an OF or 2, but that doesn’t mean that the Phils should take on a another bad contract. The only way I would endorse that is if it meant that they would get one of the Dodgers top either Pederson, Seager or Urias.
So should we trade cole for B prospects? Fuck A prospects rarely work out.
Amaro should be contacting the Padres for a trade. Hamels comes back home to SD, and in return the phils get some young promising prospects. And I do believe the Padres have a few good ones
DMAN, SD don’t have enough top prospects to get back for Hamels.
Renfroe- Great arm, pop, should be a good RF.
Hedges- Great DF, no bat whatsoever.
Liriano- Solid all-around CF, with speed. Ceiling is not much better than Herrera/ Noodle arm.
Casey Kelly- Once a top prospect, but is recovering from Tommy John.
In any trade from them, we would have to have Myers &/or Cashner included, plus 2-3 of those prospects, for me to even consider them. Not enough top ceiling prospects. Hopefully Boston stops being stubborn, because they are perfect fits, with
Positions- Swihart, Moncada, Devers, Margot, Marrero, Chavis, Cecchini.
Pitchers- Rodrigues, Owens, Johnson, Barnes, Kopech, Ball.
Would love to see a Hamels, Papelbon, + $$$, to the Sox, for Swihart, Devers, Margot, Barnes, Ball, Gunkal. Sincerely doubt it, but that is my hopes, but with the inept, overmatched, not-respected Ruin 2morrow in charge, you forget a deal, of that magnitude.
Why would you care where he is from? It factors zero into the trade. When you trade someone you don’t factor their comfort or feelings into it
It factors into a trade, NUMBNUTS, when you have a no trade clause to certain teams, & he has SD as a team in which he’d go back to, & he is from there. Learn a little something, you know nothing jackwad, before you rip other posters. DMAN was taking that into consideration, when mentioning it. Try bringing something to the table as a discussion, or maybe an IDEA of your own, instead of your BS criticisms, spin, enabling & excusing your hero Ruin 2morrow! Instead of spending a beautiful holiday on an internet blog, criticizing posters, get a F^#@ing life, & spend with your so-called, self proclaimed, pristine family. You are sickening, to the point of nausea! STFU, with your excuses, & PR spin, covering up for Ruin 2morrows failures, & inevitable blunders to come!
A players feelings mean nothing
here’s an idea of my own you frustrated and angry night watchman=–The padres are one of the many teams that he has no say in a trade situation. my point is the poster made it sound like we should be the nice guys and send him home to make him happy– I called it bullshit…trade him to the team that offers the best package where ever it is…
take a Xanax
The only frustration I continue to have, is dickhead, condescending, clueless POS’s like you, always talking down to other posters, while not having an original thought of your own, nor a clue of WTF you speak! Get lost, & take your inept, arrogant, POS girlfriend, Ruin 2morrow with you!
No, sorry. Any man that would come on the internet and consistently curse, call people names etc. is clearly angry and frustrated with his own lack of success. Let alone having to work the graveyard shift…yikes!
dam hac what did you say to make ruin your best bud…..this ruin guy she should just quit now because after what he said about philly fans is bs….we are some of the most knowledgeable fans in sports….he will be lucky if somebody doesnt beat him to death
i originally assumed he’d be fired- but I don’t understand why he would still be there to take on the rebuild– I figured they’d let a knew guy do it.
If they do fire him then I’d go to st. Louis and find the highest ranking FO guy and hire him.
His comments are arrogant- everyone already knew he was arrogant. Remember, I don’t care one iota about who makes the calls, what they say, how they feel about me– just bring in young talent. For years Ruben brought in guys to try to help them win. I thought he did a good job, I believe a team is supposed to try to win especially when you have halladay, lee and hamels and howard under big contracts- he got hosed and a few trades and hosed some other people– that’s how that goes-
Yeah that’s it, resort to your made up fantasies in your head about me, instead of admitting all of your spin, excuses, Ruin 2morrow butt slurping, & ripping of me for speaking the truth about your lover, the last 3+ years! Yeah, that’s it, I call you on the carpet, & prove you wrong on a yearly basis, because I’m unhappy with myself! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Keep spinning & deflecting fool! You & your significant other Ruin 2morrow should be happy together!
angry boy you change your story– predict them to win the division one year then say- oh they should have blown it up- this was a good signing then whine about it… just stop your yelling, whining and cussing– it really ruins any points you may or may not have– its just this constant high volume, i am the only one that cares blah blah– go back to bed-midnight will be here before you know it.
I got your boy punk! I never change shit! I’ve been consistent with wanting your lover gone since the end of 2011, whether I want them to win, or not. I don’t flip flop on shit, like some of assholes do! Don’t give me your bullshit! Go ahead, go back & cherry pick a comment I made again, & omit the rest of my comments on the matter, or what I’m responding too, like you usually do, to try to back your failed arguments, & idiotic, know nothing points, instead admitting you were wrong all these years! You were wrong then, you are wrong still, are a Eunuch, & can’t man up to admit it! Just STFU, & don’t tell me where to go F^#@ER!
any body who challenges fights on the internet would be the definition of punk- you are nothing! you are the richest night watchman on the internet– you are the toughest internet fighter ever!
Am I a punk? Says the clown, who condescendingly talks down to posters, hypocritically calls ME names, & hides behind the computer, constantly spinning, deflecting, his own stupidity! Prove it clown! BTW, it seriously amuses me, how you keep bringing up my PT overnight Private Security job, that I’m only doing for a while longer, like that’s supposed to hurt, or effect me negatively in some way! See I actually have REAL LIFE family, that I like to provide everything for, meanwhile building up my nest egg to retire early. I actually own my own business, & my Wife is a Nurse at CHOP, so my kids, grandkids, Wife & I need for nothing. Unlike you & your made up Black Wife that you claim to have, & your pristine kids, that never curse, drink, smoke, & are all still pure! Not everybody, can be Mr. Perfect, with the background in Coaching, Refereeing, Teaching, & the bestest, bestest, Superfan like you, I guess! Also, I’ve never threatened ANYONE, unless I call them out, for calling me a PUSSY, or questioned my manhood! Like I’ve said to you, & all of the other steroid fingered assmuppets on here, anytime, anyplace your ready! Or are you going to invite me to your area, threatening me, to get your so-called rich & powerful neighbors after me, like you did other posters! You are a worthless know nothing assclown! Don’t waste my time!
you are the toughest of all- you win… you are scarey–
Funny i mentioned my family once and you cant seem to get off of it. i mentioned that i was a teacher and coach maybe twice, three times at most– you mention your career as a policeman, heritage, flip houses constantly yet thats ok… whatever ….and thats right-PUNK!
LOL! Predictable cowardly, spin-meister response, from the resident condescendingly troll!
you win man, give it up and enjoy your internet victory…
Ruin 2morrow is a septic swimmer, should have been fired 2 years ago, is not respected throughout the MLB, & only still has a job, & got the job to begin with, is because of this organizations nepotism, hubris, & retarded blind loyalty! Period! ZERO FAITH, that he can do anything worth while. It is a disgrace what this team has become, & was allowed to become, by these absentee, old fart, dysfunctional owners! How Howard, Utley, Ruiz, Hamels, Lee, & Papelbon are still on this roster, is mind boggling, irritating, & nauseating!
I am starting to think Hamels doesn’t get moved. I think they move pap, Howard, Harang … They will see him as the anchor of a young pitching staff.
Ccame to that conclusion after reading an article that said basically, the Phil’s have 4 middle infielders they think can play. Galvis, Crawford, Herrerra and Hernandez. Asche at first or left. Center fielder …I forget his name. Need a catchers and corner OF. Damn shame Joseph got hurt
Quinn in Center would be my guess.
that’s right bugs… they need a boper tho– I guess franco is what a 25 hr guy? can asche hit 18?
shame of it is brown, a coveted prospect is a bust and joseph a decent catching prospect got hurt.–
Yeah, they have to get that production from one of the corner OF spots. I think that Crawford can give them some decent pop too at least to match what J-Roll did.
Brown and Joseph are killers. Set them back quite a bit. That is why I think that they still try to move Hamels to fill in the holes in the farm system.
Brown was rated as high as 4th best prospect in baseball– thats why I warn about all this trade stuff- IT HAS TO BE DONE—but its a gamble. Brown should have been the guy to be getting into his prime now, hitting 27 HR, .290 and 100 rbi…. he is the guy the mantle should have been passed to — DUD!
Oh god just got sick to my stomach– in pre 2011 Harper was #1 prospec, Trout #2 and Brown number 4….
Anyone with any Baseball Sense who watch’s Dom Brown play the Outfield knew it was impossible for him to be the 4th Ranked Prospect in all of MLB..
He is so stiff, unnatural and lacks the basic fundamentals that you would see
at a High School Baseball Field with young OF’s..
From his Positioning, His Break on the Ball, His taking the righ angles to even the fundamentals of throwing and his lack of accuracy of his strong Arm has always looked o me of a very good Athlete just thrown into the Outfield but not a very sound Baseball Player..
The Phillies Player Development leaves a lot to be desired which is why they Stink.. All this kids and players are Talented, but look at the consistently successful Organizations, their Kids know how to play the right way… The Phillies have to buy their Roster outside of a few great Years in the early-mid 70’s and the early-mid 2000’s …
Who have they developed outside these 2 Strong Era’s..
paul every major scouting/basesball publication had him at 4… i agree that now at the MLB level he looks like he never shagged a flyball but you would assume these people know something…
It seems so strange to tumble like that.
“They don’t understand the game,” Amaro said. “They don’t understand the process. There’s a process. And then they bitch and complain because we don’t have a plan. There’s a plan in place and we’re sticking with the plan. We can’t do what’s best for the fan. We have to do what’s best for the organization so the fan can reap the benefit of it later on. That’s the truth.”
“Perhaps we waited a year or two too long to try and go into this transition.”
— Ruben Amaro Jr. on Phillies’ rebuild.
Comments, straight from the mouth, of your POS, inept, hypocritical, condescending, arrogant, hero! I say it, I’m negative, wrong, & not a fan, but all of a sudden, Ruin has a revelation, or an epiphany, & all is good in the world I guess?? F^#@ the both of you! I’m convinced, since you have yet to acknowledge he is a failure, after all of these years, admit you were wrong, & I was right, that you are A- A eunuch, B- Part of the Phillies PR spin-crew, C- Ruin 2morrows wife, or D- Ruin 2morrow himself!