Over the past few days, rumors have been floating around about what the Eagles may do at the quarterback position.
Adam Schefter of ESPN initially reported that the Birds have no plans to use the franchise tag on pending unrestricted free agent Sam Bradford, and may be interested in reacquiring Nick Foles from the St. Louis Rams.
Several reporters shot down the idea of the team being interested in Foles, but others such as Matt Lombardo have come out and strongly insisted that Doug Pederson would like the opportunity to work with the young quarterback, and the team is fully expected to look in to picking him back up.
First, let’s address Bradford.
I don’t get the sense that the Eagles are very interested in bringing him back. While Pederson and Howie Roseman have come out and said some nice things about him publicly, the simple truth is that actions speak louder than words.
While Roseman and the front office have raced to lock up all of the team’s top young talent from Zach Ertz to Vinny Curry, there hasn’t even been a hint of negotiations with Bradford.
Roseman has always operated in such a way that he locks up the guys he wants, and he pursues them early and aggressively.
I also don’t think bringing Bradford back is the right move. He’s a guy who isn’t going to come cheap, he’s never accomplished anything significant in his NFL career, and I think its a much better idea for this team to try and patiently develop a young quarterback rather than continuing the shortsighted path they’ve been on since 2010, trying to revitalize the careers of failed quarterbacks from other cities.
I could see the Eagles using the franchise tag on Bradford, but only with the idea of trying to trade his rights to another franchise in order to recoup a decent draft pick to make up for the missing second rounder that former head coach Chip Kelly squandered.
As for the Foles part of the rumor, I’m neither in favor of the idea, nor do I think its very likely.
If the Eagles were to bring back Foles, he’d need to be released by the Rams first. It would be completely laughable for the organization to give up anything, even a late seventh-rounder, to bring him back.
It would just be the ultimate black eye for the franchise that would speak to the level of dysfunction that has gone on over the last year.
Just imagine this for a moment. The Eagles trade Foles and a second round pick to get Sam Bradford, and only a year later not only admit that Bradford was a mistake, but then invest more assets to bring back the guy that they were ready to give up on.
That’s just too ridiculous to become a reality, even for the Eagles.
If Foles were to get cut and become a free agent, the idea would be a little more acceptable. But even then, I’d still be against the idea simply because I don’t think there’s much reason to revisit Foles.
Maybe if the Eagles plan to let Bradford walk AND release expensive veteran Mark Sanchez, Foles would make sense as a guy who could serve as a placeholder for a year because of his familiarity with his teammates, but at this point its pretty clear that Foles isn’t a very good quarterback, and this position is one that I think the Eagles desperately need a fresh start at.
On another note, ¨MVP” Sham Newton continuing his fantastic reality show this week.
¨Show me a good loser and Iĺl show you a loser
Nice effort. Only loser was the guy who the cameras were pointing at. What no dancing? Save that for the 30th ranked defenses of the world. In the Superbowl the only dancing to be done is away from bouncing fumbles.
If we follow Denny, we can look forward to years and years of being the Browns. People are listening to rumors by sports writers without any direct knowledge and trying to read too much in any lack of movement, but then Washington hasn’t resigned Cousins and I doubt anybody thinks he is getting out of Washington. Let’s face it, Bradford is the best option out there at this time. If Howie clears enough cap room, he can afford to tag Bradford for a year. (Perhaps this leads to a 2 or 3 team friendly deal). With that year in hand, the team can go into the draft without HAVING to reach for a QB and this is a draft that lacks any franchise QBs but has a number of promising developmental guys (according to Mike Mayock). So with Bradford in hand for 1 year, you draft a kid to start developing and maybe he is ready to replace Bradford in 2017. If you miss on the draft choice, you try again next year but in the meantime people like me who pay a small fortune to go to games at least have something to watch. If Howie gambles his future on a career backup (Chase Daniels) and the luck of finding the answer in this draft, I think he and this coaching staff will be unemployed in 3 years and we start all over again. Like I said, the Browns.
You want to see Howie unemployed? Then trop out Sam est option”Bradford, whom 90% of the fanbase wants no part of, and watch him roll to 6-6 while missing his patented 3 or 4 games every single year.
That is career suicide.
The Browns….WTF does that mean? Because they´ve missed on a few first round QBs?? So Eagles become them? Thatś a completely bogus argument. Because another team has failed choosing first round QBs, the Eagles shouldn´t try.
Oldphilly…..Sam Bradford stinks. He is only the ¨best option” if you think the best option is mediocrity.
Perpetual 7-9 is NOT a ¨best option¨
I would disagree with you that the majority of the fanbase doesn’t want him back. Even on here it seems to be more pro bradford than anti. Just you and mhenski are the ones that keeo ip that side of the debate.
Looking at Philly beat writters I think the only two that are anti are ESP and Jimmy kempski.
Sports radio seems split
I have stated many times before that I don;t want BADford back. I just don’t subscribe to the same argument 15 times a week pattern that goes on here.
although he is not a free agent at the moment, everyone knows he will be soon… imo rg3 is a better option than bradford for the following reasons:
1 – he is way cheaper
2- he has accomplished more than sam in a turmoil riddled 3 seasons
3- he is more accurate with the football
4 – he is younger
5- he has a bigger arm
i have no clue if rg3 was destroyed b/c of a dysfunctional redskins team or cousins is that much better or if rg3 is that annoying that players dont want to play with him but his rookie season was jaw dropping. obviously his running was great but his passes were insane guy was throwing his weapons open every week, perfect passes most throws… i dont like his size or him running too much and not protecting himself but ill take it over the scrub that throws half his passes behind the line of scrimmage and 70+% under 10 yards. ill pass on a chicken shit bottom 5-10 qb any day
fitzpatrick probably better than sam too. he at least can put up 24 tds on shit teams, when he did it 2010-2012 in buffalo with sub par weapons. give him some reasonable weapons and he is putting up 30+ (this year)
i dont necessarily want fitz or rg3 but id take either over sam with all other things being equal in terms of money.
this sams the best option narrative isnt necessarily true. its more like 3 flavors of shit and people are just trying to pick the least smelliest turd
Oldphillyfan, what team have you been watching over the last five years?
The Eagles have essentially been on par with the Browns, Redskins, and every other mediocre dumpster fire of a team since 2010.
There have been no playoff wins since 2008. There has only been one playoff appearance since 2010. They’ve had woefully bad defenses. They’re now on their third head coach in five years.
So I’ve got news for you buddy, the Eagles have already become the Browns.
And do you know what one of the cruxes of this team’s deep-rooted issues have been? No real long-term plan at quarterback.
Since Donovan McNabb left, the Eagles have leaned primarily on veteran band-aid, reclamation projects that all have very limited ceilings and all kinds of issues with their game.
They tried Michael Vick. They tried Vince Young. They tried Mark Sanchez. They tried Sam Bradford. Not one of those guys worked out. We’ve been watching that same plan of placing the team’s hopes on some other franchise’s failure, and that way doesn’t work.
How did you like the Chip Kelly era, with a different starting quarterback under center every year on Opening Day? Kelly never had a plan in place at the position, and it the lack of a long-term vision hurt his program.
It’s time to break that cycle, start fresh and patiently develop a guy the right way.
And year one of a new head coach is the perfect time to get that process underway.
Denny forget about the q.b.Garry should find out what happened to Paulman.. Revenue is dropping quickly. without Paulmans insight,Maybe you folks at g. cobb can find him under an assumed name he goes by on Philly.com sports Paul from N.C.
Did the Browns have two 10 win seasons the last 3 years? When was the last time we drafted 2nd? We may be a dumpster fire, but it can be worse. While I hated the Bradford deal last year, I was surprised he made it through the year – despite that horrid offensive line and WRs who kept dropping balls. I was also surprised how much better he played at the end of the season. I do not think he is our long term answer, but he is our best STOPGAP while we find and groom a young QB.
Oh stop with the whole two 10-win seasons nonsense…those were two emptiest, hollow 10-win campaigns I’ve ever seen.
In 2013, the Eagles started out 3-5 before finishing the season 7-1 to win the division and make the playoffs. However, the team was the beneficiary of a pitifully easy schedule. They were matched up with the likes of the Oakland Raiders, Detroit Lions, Aaron Rodgers-less Green Bay, Chicago Bears, Washington Redskins, and the Tony Romo-less Dallas Cowboys. The team certainly played well at the time, but upon looking back at the strength of the schedule at the time, there’s no doubt the team had a lot going in their favor by being matched up against poor teams.
The 2014 team was the most hollow 10-6 group I’ve ever seen. Few people look beyond the surface of the 10 wins that the team had last season to see them for what they really were. Kelly’s offense struggled heavily at times last season as well. Many of the team’s wins early in the season were fueled by an unrealistic amount of special teams and defensive touchdowns that proved be the difference in games. Without some of these fortunate breaks, the Eagles could have easily been a seven-win team last season.
And despite a 9-3 start that year, Kelly’s team collapsed to a 1-3 finish in the month of December, with the only victory coming in a meaningless season finale with the Giants after the Birds had already been eliminated.
During both seasons, Kelly’s true colors were on display for all to see with his record against winning teams.
In both years combined, the Eagles went 4-8 against teams with records above .500, and again, one of those wins came against a Green Bay team that was without Aaron Rodgers.
When looking at “two 10-6 seasons”, you need to look deeper than the initial stat of 20 victories and recognize that those achievements are actually quite hollow.
You said it yourself, you were surprised Bradford made it through the year. His injury history speaks for itself, but now all of a sudden the pro-Bradford camp wants to act as though the previous injury history isn’t a concern anymore.
And again, you said it yourself…he’s a STOPGAP quarterback, at best. But again the Eagles have been going the stopgap route for years, and you know what the worst part about the stopgap guy is, other than the fact that they don’t get you to playoffs or take you on a run?
Its the fact that they win just enough games to keep you out of position to draft a real top prospect. Its basically a cycle of 7-9, 8-8 that a team like the Eagles have found themselves stuck in for five years by refusing to take their lumps by effectively drafting and developing a young quarterback.
speaking of stop gap qbs. a dude making 15-20+million a year is not being paid to be a stop gap. doug pederson was the very definition of a stop gap when he played… you dont pay a stop gap that kinda money
if you going stop gap you go warm cheap body (chase daniel) to literally just play while everyone knows you tanking while you groom someone. although most likely we wont be grooming anyone this year so you might as well just go with a new guy that could bounce back big – rg3 or go complete tank job for watson – chase daniel
no sense in going bradford whether he cost u 1 mill or 20. sam probably wins you 3-6 games more than chase daniel but still wont win you the division, get you in the playoffs, 0% winning in the playoffs, -0% chance at winning the superbowl…
sams time is over here. unless you think theyre going to pay the worst qb in the division the most money in the division. doubt it
Denny, you are clearly a passionate fan, but I suspect your daytime job is not in management. You assume going down an unknown path is the best course, but relies on luck. Questions you don’t address: who in your opinion is the best free agent QB at this time? If you don’t take Bradford, then who? You want to throw all your eggs in a rookie basket. Who do want? How do you know he will be there? Are you prepared to mortgage the future and move up to get him? If he
isn’t ready to play now, do you ruin him by playing him too soon? How will the other players and fans react to a “throw away season”? If your rookie fails (as
most will), then what? New coach, new GM, another draft high draft choice? At least my way, we have the best option to win next year while the rookie we draft (best available when we draft) has time to learn and become our QB of the future. Less downside, less risk, and statistically the smart play. Now if you or Howie think they can find a vet QB equal to or better than Bradford, that would change the calculus. Instead of inpugning my opinion, please share with us names.
The reason a Nick Foles reunion will not happen is due to the dead money the Rams would have to keep on their books if they cut him. Foles is set to count $8.75 million against the cap in 2016, and cutting him creates $7 million in dead money. The Rams would only save $1.75 million by cutting him. The Eagles are not going to trade for him either, so Nick Foles returning in 2016 is not realistic.
if the eagles dont resign bradford, dont want to sign rg3 and dont want to roll with sanchez they could give them some bullshit in a trade and if rams trade sam they would save almost 7 mill…
if i know howie he gonna do everything in his power to get back a 2nd round pick this year. i could see howie doing something along the lines of one of the birds 3rd round picks+player for nick and that 2nd round pick. i gotta believe doug pederson wants foles he hand picked foles in that draft..
it would be hilarious and embarrassing if the eagles retraded for foles but bradford doesnt know pederson or his system and nick does. and i could totally see howie making a deal bc it would scream chip was a fuckin idiot, we all disagreed with him and now we have to undo it
I want no parts of Nick Foles. I think that a rookie QB could be as effective as him because everything needs to be aligned for him to be successful in an offense. It seemed that he had a real difficult time fitting the ball into tight spaces. Add that to the fact that the WRs can’t get any separation and you don’t have a winning combination. 7 million for him is a waste of money.
agree with that bugs. just reading them tea leaves
I think this is a media report that was created by Howie Roseman to accomplish 3 things.
1) Get the fan base convinced Sam Bradford won’t be back,
2) suggest bringing back Nick Foles (a guy the fan base has no trust in) to show that 2016 is a rebuilding year
3) draft or sign a stop-gap QB that the fan base will be luke-warm about, but has more trust in than Foles so there won’t be as big of a reaction
sounds about right sean
Yep
Sham Bradfraud had every opportunity to show he was worth franchise money and could lead the team to the playoffs. He was handed the starting job from day 1, the playbook was dumbed down for him, and the plays called for him to make were high percentage passes. He had a horrendous start in the beginning of the season. He then started to pull it together and play better (average) in the second half of the season, but let’s look at the teams defenses he played in the second half of the season. Starting after the Panthers, Bradford went for 10 TDs and 4 INTs he went up against: Dallas, Miami, New England, Buffalo, Arizona, Washington, and New York.
Of those 7 teams, 5 featured bottom half of the league passing defenses: Miami (21st), New England (17th), Buffalo (19th), Washington (25th), and New York (32nd) Of those 5 teams, 4 of them allowed at least 30 passing TDs this season: Miami, Buffalo, Washington, and New York
Bradford performed mediocre against bad passing defenses.
As it relates to the WR’s McNabb played with well below average WR’s and an average offensive line in his first five years, yet he repeatedly got the Eagles to the playoffs, that is having “IT”, franchise tag worthy and franchise worthy period!
The fact is even if you give Sam Bradford all of the dropped passes he still is only an average QB when compared the other starting QB’s in the league.
He is a stop gap, but not worthy of anything close to a franchise tag. You do not franchise tag stop gap QB’s.
Round and round we go. No one can agree…..
Some see this as a team who, because of coaching and talent, was on the rise. With 2 back to back 10 win seasons, 1 NFCE Crown, and a playoff appearance. They would say…. we had expectations to go deep this past year and coaching was the main problem. Those people (myself included) would like to see what we could do with traditional coaching. The NFCE is weak and id like to see what can happen. Im not calling for a bunch of high priced FA’s…. just go with what we have. I see no reason we couldnt transition tag Sam.
Not that i am screaming for this, but would any of you be completely PISSED and upset if we somehow how Robert Griffin?? A qb who has had time to heal, spectate and study the game. A qb who came from a dysfunctional team with a dysfunctionam owner. I mean let’s face it the redskins are a team, where stars go to die. It’s just been snake bitten forever.
Rg3 does not need to be as fast as he was his rookie year. He’s already faster then 95 percent of the league qbs with that being said anyway. He was also known as more as a passer, and pocket guy more so then a straight up rushing qb. His mobility threat was just what made him that more of a promising prospect at the time and was just the cherry on top.
I would not be completely upset if Sam was gone, and we signed rg3
Do you mean the RGIII who left the “people can me meanie meanie heads – be yourself anyway” letter in his locker at the end of the season?
The guy who lost his job to Kirk Cousins, and who apparently everyone in the locker room hates (allegedly)??
Pass.
Maybe at age 26 he has learned a thing or 2 since being in the league and with his experiences in Washington.? It would not be the first time a player had trouble in one city, and went on to be great in another. Chris carter to name one.
id take him in a split second over bradford. his skillset is better. is he a total geek and erkle like? no doubt, dont care – guy can play and you throw him in with a bunch of young weapons and i think he would do just fine with low expectations… this eagles team culture/dynamic is night and day different to the skins the last 3 years – we mostly young with no egos… expectations are low.. yea its a good spot for him and for us
rg3 is a way better option than sam. bring in rg3 and if it works awesome and if it doesnt well rg3 not working will bring probably identical results to bradford working
I admit I had totally written RGIII off after his rookie year. But you are really selling me on giving him a shot….lol. Though i still feel sam is better than Foles, I’m not sold he’s worth the 20-25 mill he’s asking for. I need to see him build on the second half he put up. Foles wouldn’t be a bad stop gap as long as it doesn’t cost us anything to get him. I see him as a slight upgrade over Sanchez.
I’d be okay with taking a chance on RGIII, but I think I’d prefer to draft a young QB and start fresh.
I don’t want Bradford back at all. 2015 was the season to see if Bradford is any more than what he’s shown throughout his career (mediocre, injury prone QB). In my eyes, he didn’t do this in a system that made guys like Nick Foles and Mark Sanchez look better than they are.
Time to move on.
Don’t worry about that QB search. Jeff Lurie didn’t just hire a stop gap coach, he fueled up his jet and found himself a “Strategic Thinker”.
Division is in the bag. 99.99999999% of the boobs in this city don’t have access to the voluminous notebook archives that Jeff, Don, and Howie have. The only 3 people in the city who analyzed those archives and found the best candidate in the country. He who had both Andy Reid’s play book coupled with the return of that wide 9 defense. 3 geniuses. Division is in the bag. Playoffs here we come!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We have a Strategic Thinker = Playoffs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RG3 is too skinny. Give me a QB with a McNabb frame.
Just watched the Mccoy bar brawl video. It’s a damn shame that Mccoy had to put himself in that situation. I’m sure all of this will get twisted around and end up being the cops fault right? So unfortunate
I just know which QB I do not want:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE-xswZX-8k
lol, yeah all i know is if that happened during an Eagles Superbowl Cam would be skewed alive. He is fortunate to play in Carolina where NASCAR is starting and people don;t care much. Count your blessings Mr Newton sir. On a side note If we did get Foles back, wouldn’t it be fun just to see Kools head explode and air go everywhere. No gray matter to avoid lol.
Cam had a great year. You can’t on one hand argue for a guy and use his stats and in the other totally ignore another guys stats. Cams TDs, Int’s and wins were outstanding and MVP worthy. However his lack of humility during the season and then the assholeness after the SB really tarnishes his brand in the end. I’m sure the show boating got him some endorsements ( good for him)… His long term brand will need serious tweaking. Front running is an ugly look.
Lol I am talking about that one play. As for Cam as a whole very good year. He repeats it next year he will be in the TOP 5 talk. If he falls back we will have to see. Can;t judge a guy on one year, I’ve read that a ton on this site. So let’s see him do it again. I’m not talking wins and losses, I am talking stat wise. Theoretically he should be better with Both Benjamin and Olsen snagging balls. So all should be bright in Carolina for a few years.
They should offer the 13th pick and Murray to the Patriots for Brady.
Damn that is some good shit in that crack pipe!
***Sixers Trade Deadline News***
Sixers have made inquiries on the Atlanta Hawks point guards Dennis Schroeder and Jeff Teague.
Either guy would make an immediate impact on the Sixers. Both have great range from the three and jumper. Both can run the point very well getting there teammates in position to succeed
Side note- Jeff Teague has reportedly put his home up for sale, selling it for 2.2 million
Sixers need a SG more than a PG currently. Stauskas & Canaan are horrendous defenders. Seems like every SG opponent leaves town with 20 points. All their 3 point shooters are bad defenders ( Thompson & Covington too). Brandon Ingram sure would look good on this team.
Espn’s Goodman said today that Celtic Coach Brad Stevens turned down the Sixer’s job offer before accepting Celtic job.
Where is PMan? Did Paulman go on a Jack Daniels bender after his beloved Carolina Panthers laid an egg in the SuperBowl? Maybe he threw his remote and it hit his internet modem?
Paulman is locked in his basement with jack and Marlboros . He has all 275 or so players that the websites say will be drafted and mocked them all. He’s not seen any of them play. He will say the Eagles should have drafted any one of a hundred they didn’t draft… Good grief
Najee Goode signing another “good” move. I never understood how some players “Ike Reece” comes to mind who are pigeon-holed into specific roles such as strictly special teams players when everytime they get to actually play make plays. You will get the rhetoric that if they played extended minutes they wouldn’t be effective. How do they know that? I always thought Goode was good enough to start and is every bit as good as Kendricks or whoever else we had a LB.
Heres a good article from Jimmy Kempski
There’s an argument to be made that the Philadelphia Eagles have needs almost everywhere on their roster with the exception of tight end. Everywhere else, they either need to fill holes in the starting lineup or add depth.
So why exactly would they “punt” on free agency? Because the Eagles are cheap and they hate you!
OK, so that’s not really why. A recent report by Adam Schefter of ESPN got me wondering if punting on free agency could be the Eagles’ approach. According to Schefter, the Eagles do not plan on using the franchise tag on Sam Bradford. He also reported that the Eagles could look into acquiring Nick Foles. Interestingly, Schefter went as far as to report it twice:
OK, so what does that have to do with the Eagles skipping out on free agency? The short answer is that if the Eagles let Sam Bradford and the rest of their free agents walk this offseason, they can recoup as many as four extra draft picks in 2017.
We’ll explain how and why this might make sense for the Eagles:
Get value in return for Sam Bradford and other impending free agents in the form of compensatory picks
Allowing Bradford to walk in free agency would be an acknowledgment that (A) the Eagles don’t think Bradford is a franchise quarterback worth building around for a big money; and (B) they are committed to a long-term view and don’t think they will be contenders in 2016. Personally, I would agree with those views.
A few weeks ago, we stated that the Eagles should slap the franchise tag on Bradford, and then try to trade him. That is one of many options the Eagles have with Bradford this offseason, but it is obviously one that is out of their control, as they need some level of cooperation from Bradford’s camp as well as any potential team trading for him. If the Eagles are ready to move on from Bradford as one might glean from Schefter’s reporting, the Eagles undoubtedly researched the “tag-and-trade” option.
If they determined that it was unfeasible, the next best way to recoup any kind of value for him would be to gain a compensatory pick in return.
What is a compensatory pick? We explained compensatory picks in detail last week, but we’ll repeat what they are again here.
Every year, the NFL awards 32 compensatory picks to teams that lost more players than they gained the previous year in free agency. If you are unfamiliar with the basic rules in which teams are awarded those 32 comp picks, they are:
1.Each player signed cancels out one player lost. In other words, just because the Eagles lost Jeremy Maclin in free agency last year, that does not mean they will be awarded a compensatory pick this year. Since the Eagles signed more players than they lost, they won’t get jack squat for losing Maclin.
2.The round of the pick awarded is anywhere between the 3rd and 7th rounds and is primarily determined by the annual value of the contract signed. In other words, if the Eagles had gotten a pick for Maclin, it would have been in a higher round than, say, Nate Allen, who didn’t sign as lucrative of a contract. Signed players cancel out lost players with equal contracts, then lower contracts, before canceling out higher contracts.
The NFL awards a limited number of the highest level of comp picks (3rd rounders) each year. However, there’s no way players like Von Miller, Josh Norman, Muhammad Wilkerson, and other top players scheduled for free agency this offseason are hitting the market, as they’ll be franchise tagged if they can’t get long-term deals worked out with their respective teams.
If Bradford hits the open market, there’s a chance he’d receive the highest contract of any free agent in the NFL, which would result in a 3rd round compensatory pick in 2017.
Similarly, the Eagles could receive lower comp picks for letting players like Walter Thurmond, Cedric Thornton, and Nolan Carroll sign elsewhere.
In the past (and present), teams were (are) not allowed to trade comp picks. However, 2017 will be the first year in which that is allowed, which increases their value.
This free agent crop kinda stinks
NFL.com published a list of the top free agents in this year’s class. Once you get past the six or seven guys at the top of the list, most of whom are unlikely to hit the open market, the next players in line are either aging, aren’t great fits, or play positions where the Eagles don’t really need starters.
In January, we published a list a five free agents who could make sense for the Eagles. I like the players on that list, but don’t love any one of them. If you’ll note, we called it “version 1.0,” as if subsequent articles with five more free agents of interest would be forthcoming. Recently, when I sat down to begin looking for the next batch of five, I really struggled to find players I liked who made sense for my perceived direction of this team.
But what about the unused cap space?
Not splurging in free agency will leave the Eagles with extra cap space. There’s a perception that if you don’t use your cap space in any given year, it just disappears. That is no longer the case. Via overthecap.com, here are the cap numbers for all 32 teams, based on a projected cap of $150 million, as of February 9, 2016:
“Team salary cap?” Why do the Jaguars have $182+ million in “team salary cap,” but other teams have less? Well, that extra money is from previous years, when the Jaguars did not use up all of their money under the cap. As a result, they are a whopping $74+ million under the cap.
In 2016, if the Eagles don’t “use it,” they won’t “lose it.” That rhymes, so you know it’s true. They can instead use that money to continue to lock up core talent like Fletcher Cox, or in free agency next year, when there are players worth spending on.
So why Nick Foles?
When Schefter’s report emerged that the Eagles could target Foles this offseason, the overriding response was, “What?!? He suuuuuucks!” I don’t disagree.
Then the explanation emerged that Doug Pederson worked with him in 2012, and likes him. Foles’ role could be one in which he serves as a bridge to a rookie draft pick at quarterback. OK, fine. That kinda makes sense. I guess.
However, another reason Foles could make sense is the strategy of trying to recoup as many compensatory picks as possible.
There are the four types of players who do not qualify in the compensatory pick equation:
1.Lost players that are cut or not tendered as RFAs (restricted free agents) and ERFAs (exclusive rights free agents) do not qualify.
2.Lost players that were picked up during the season the year before do not qualify.
3.Signed players that are released before midseason do not qualify.
4.Players earning low minimum salaries do not qualify.
If Foles were cut and the Eagles acquired him, rule #1 above would apply, and thus Foles would not cancel out the loss of Bradford, Thurmond, Carroll, or Thornton. If the Eagles traded for Foles, obviously that would not count as a free agent pickup. (Duh).
If the Eagles signed a guy like the Chiefs’ Chase Daniel in free agency, for example, he would cancel out one of the players the Eagles lost, thus costing them a comp pick. As long as you’re not bringing back Bradford, does it really matter if your bridge QB is Chase Daniel or Nick Foles? In my view, not at all.
So the Eagles wouldn’t be able to add anyone other than in the draft to maximize the comp picks they could gain?
No, they could still sign players. Those players would just have to be in one of the four categories noted above. For example, the Saints just released OG Jahri Evans. If the Eagles signed him, he would not cancel out one of the Eagles’ lost free agents. To note, I’m not saying the Eagles should sign Evans – he’s just one example of the type of player they could target who would not factor into the comp pick equation.
Did Howie Roseman already kinda sorta maybe hint that the Eagles won’t be players in free agency?
Speaking at the Senior Bowl in January, the Eagles had just signed Zach Ertz and Brent Celek to contract extensions, and Roseman spoke about the importance of building through the draft over free agency.
“It’s an important message to your team that if you play really well and do the right things, and that you’re drafted by the Philadelphia Eagles, you have a chance to stay for a long time,” said Roseman.
“When you draft and develop players on and off the field, you want people who come up in your system, who come up through your process, and understand what it’s like to play in our city in front of our great fans, and then they’re rewarded for production for doing that,” he explained. “When you look at the successful teams in the league, they’re drafting and developing theirs, and then they’re keeping them.”
If the Eagles “punted” on free agency, the Philly fan base and sports radio stations would go berserk, but it might actually be a pretty savvy strategy
Good info Dag, Not only for NFL rules education but I believe this Jimmy Kempski is one of those journalists the Eagles website crew are fond of – he seems to get front office info. Just like I usually believe most of what Dereck Gunn reports concerning the locker room. He gets real good locker room info.
Only a clueless eagles fan that thinks of this league like maddeh would be “beserk” if we punted on fa this year. You would think eagle fans out of everybody would understand you don’t win by going after free agent after free agent every offseason.
Take take of your home grown, young talent with maybe a vet or 2 along the way and build thru the draft.
I would rather give up a 7th rd pick for Foles than have Sanchez. 7th rounders rarely have any impact and we do know that Foles has played well at times (and sucked other times of course). If you are not going to keep Bradford, and plan to draft a QB, then Foles is an option, as is Chase Daniel and RG3. Franchise QB’s are hard to find. I would draft one early and maybe even take a flyer on one late. The Redskins now look pretty smart for drafting Cousins the same year they took RG3. QB is that important. You have to take the chance.
me too rich. but how retarded do we look if we trade foles +2nd round pick+ 7th round pick for foles? lmfao
as retarded as giving the GM a raise to hide in the attic for a year only to dust him off a year later to fire the head coach and return to Andy Reid’s playbook with that wide nine defense that Juan Castillo used.
i disagree dont think its remotely close in retardedness
speaking of retarded. this is my jam
https://youtu.be/sPxnOWlsuPY
bleedinggreen has a great piece up from the interview with Doug P. I love what he is thinking as far as QB. He has told Sam he wants him back and he wants to draft a guy for the future that can sit and watch for a while. We shall see if it all gets done but it’s obviously the best option if they can make it happen.
Here is some interesting food for thought for those that want to Eagles to “go find the right guy” in the draft and rebuild –
In the last 10 years a total of 116 Quarterbacks have been taken with the 5th pick in the draft or later. Of those 116, 6 (Aaron Rodgers, Jay Cutler, Joe Flacco, Colin Kap, Andy Dalton, Russell Wilson) turned into quality NFL quarterbacks with some playoff success. A few others (Derek Carr, Teddy Bridgewater, Tyrod Taylor and Kurt Cousins) may get into that category but it is too early to tell on those.
That means that if you are team that is drafting outside of the top 5 picks (which the Eagles will almost never be based on their current talent level) you have a 5% chance to land a “Franchise” Quarterback. Even if you add the four “maybes” into that number your percentage increases to 8%.
Point being – The draft and develop is much much riskier than it may seem. There are way more potholes picking outside of the top five than success stories when it comes to the Quarterback position. It is easy for us to yell and scream that it is up to the scouting department to find the diamonds in the rough that is the draft, but much more unlikely when you look at the numbers.
Can’t your numbers are skewed in the total number of 116 you count some recent draft picks but not all. Wilson and cousins were same year etc. also bridge water and cousins led their teams to the playoffs…
Have – I don’t think so. I googled “all QBs drafted in last 10 years” and brought up pro football focus. I then counted all QBs drafted with the 5th pick or later from 2015 back to 2005. I originally counted 116 but it is somewhere in the 116-118 range.
Point is, it is incredibly risky business drafting a QB outside of the top 5. Compare that to all QBs drafted with picks 1-5 dating back 10 years which there were 12 of. Of those 12, five have had playoff success (Alex Smith, Cam Newton, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, Andrew Luck). That means of the QBs drafted with picks 1-5, you a have a 40+% in finding a “franchise QB”.
And that number doesn’t count Jamus Winston, Marcus Mariota, and Black Bortles who may all be in the category in a few years.
You could at least narrow your data down to the first round. Which is where the Eagles would be picking. There have only been 17 quarterbacks picked after the 5th pick in the first round in the last 10 years. 5 of the 17 are currently starting quarterbacks in the NFL.
You’re right, I could do that….if I wanted to manipulate the data the way most manipulate stats to prove their points.
Starting QBs should not be the barometer. QBs with some Playoff success should be. After all, Sam Bradford is a starting quarterback, correct?
Further, if I limited to the first round, I would actually be taking away some of the gems that everyone always points to when saying we should draft and develop (i.e. Wilson, Kap, Andy Dalton).
Regardless, if we limit it to first round, after pick 5 and look for QBs with at least one playoff win, we get 3 of 17 (Cutler, Rodgers, and FLacco).
That’s a 17% percentage chance of landing a “franchise QB” picking in the first round after pick 5. Still some pretty longgg odds. Compared to picking in the top 5 where the odds go up almost to 50/50.
So basically, what that means is, if you pick a QB in the first round and you are not in the top 5, you run an 83% chance of wasting a first round pick.
I sure hope those of you pushing for this aren’t in a management position of any kind or handling finances, as that would scare the hell out of me.
nothing is guarenteed in the draft. not even the #1 pick is a sure thing – see sam bradford for proof
Agreed, but when smart people take risks, they rely on past data to create future projections to determine if the risk is worth it.
50% past success rate is a no brainer when that one player can change the direction of your franchise.
17% past success rate – not so much. Especially considering the value of a first round pick in the NFL. Just take a look at the teams that took the first round risk outside of the top five – you see perennial bad organizations known for making bad choices in the draft (i.e. Cleveland, Miami, Jax, and Tampa).
The two biggest exceptions to that are Baltimore with Flacco and Green Bay with Rodgers. Baltimore has arguably the best GM in the league so I trust his judgment and GB already had a franchise QB in place and was taking his successor who just so happen to slip further than anyone thought.
i dont even know what point youre trying to make. no gm or personnel guy is gonna run data and lump a 1st round pick (6th or later) with qbs selected in the 7th round and look at outcomes based on that. i mean throw in any successful qb picked 1-5 and that data still gonna look like shit
will they do an analysis like that for maybe the 6th pick through the 1st round, 2nd or 3rd round? uh i guess, but certainly they are not going to base decisions on selecting a qb 13th becuase they ran an analysis of qbs selected 6th pick through the end of the draft. thats just not logical
and also when youre dealing with humans and trying to evaluate talents past results are not indicative of future outcomes and certainly past results of the 127th pick is not indicative of future results with that pick…
point is nobody in the league is looking at that stat or anything remotely similar to that stat to make decisions draft day and they would be foolish if they did
mhenski – You may be correct that they don’t look at statistics when deciding on draft picks however I doubt it.
But here is where the practicality of those statistics comes into play – If a guy is not good enough to be drafted by a top 5 team (and every year atleast one of the teams with a top 5 pick has a need at QB), then his bust factor goes up exponentially.
So, while they may not classify it as a statistical analysis, the points I am making using statistics gives some major insight to their decision making when evaluating QBs talent.
Understand what I’m saying?
i never said, nor implied they dont look at statistics. i said they would never consider the stat you posted because its not a meaningul/usable stat
While i agree that QB is the most important position in football I would ask what is the percentage of first round picks that are playoff successful??? Its a crap shoot– a wasted QB pick isn’t any more wasteful than a wasted danny watkins pick really– you draft the guy to contribute and he doesn’t it puts you back at that spot– again i understand a QB is the most important but they are all important.
there is a 100% chance of never winning a playoff game with top 5 overall draft pick rejects from other franchise like Sanchez, Vick and Bradford here in Philly. I’ll take the chance with a 3rd round rookie than a Vick, a Sanchez or a Bradford.
Coming from someone who comments on gcobb, forgive me if I take your 100% projection based solely on opinion with a grain of salt. Neither you nor I could ever predict that as it is not our area of expertise.
However, what we can do is look at past success to determine future probabilities of success. And, based on statistics, your statement is false.
During the same time frame I reference (past 10 years) four QBs taken in the top five have gone on to start for another team (Alex Smith, Vince Young, Mark Sanchez, and Sam Bradford). Of those four, 1 has won a playoff game with his second team (Alex Smith).
So, based on actual probabilities stemming from past events, you have a higher percentage chance of winning a playoff game with another team’s top five cast off (25%) then winning with a QB selected outside of the top five (17%).
When you compare our chances to win with a rookie vs. our chances to win with Sam, consider this…..
In the past 10 years Sam Bradford has the lowest winning percentage of any quarterback with 60 or more starts (39.7%). That’s worse than the likes of Matt Cassel, Matt Schaub, Kyle Orton, David Garrard, and Marc Sanchez..
Sam also has the lowest Yards/attempt of any quarterback in the last 10 years with 60 or more starts…
Many of the guys you are calling 1st round failures are better than Sam Bradford….
correctamundo ! good quarterbacks just dont change teams b/c teams control their qbs rights basically forever and arent letting good qbs walk
1 outa 4 ain’t bad.
youre trolling right?
like you get the percentages you are talking about do not have statistical significance right? there is nothing statistically sound about either the playoff argument or the qb draft argument – neither argument is valid based on what you posted . those past outcomes are not indicative of future events like at all
it is bad when the 3 unsuccessful QBs all have the same common denominator = Jeff Lurie’s Eagles.
thats like saying over the course of the last 18 days it rained 9 times. therefor there is a 50% of rain tomorrow…
Not trolling at all. People on here whose careers likely have absolutely nothing to do with sports and evaluating talent try to make bold statements like “100% will not win with Bradford”. My point is always the same, neither you nor I am in the position to make that call. Neither of us have credibility to make that call.
What I looked at is past QB success. You said that good teams don’t let good QBs go, but the actual facts don’t support that. Of the four QBs formerly selected in the top five, one has gone on to win a playoff game with another team.
lol ok dude…
you get that alex smith isnt a franchise qb right?
you get that the chiefs beating arguably the worst playoff team ever in the NFL and he had little to nothing to do with that outcome right?
alex could win a superbowl some day but it would have to be like peyton did, histeam winning despite that fact that he isnt an above average qb and in peytons case he was literally the worst qb in the nfl.
this is weird.
i think your point at the end of the day is that sam may be good or sam may be bad but nobody really knows?
either Nelson Agholor stinks and can’t play in the NFL or Bradford is a chicken who refuses to throw the football outside. One must go because Desean and Maclin both put up 80 catches and 1300 yards playing the same exact position as Agholor (23 catches for 283yds). I choose Agholor and prefer to let Bradford ignore some other teams outside WRs.
Lurie so far blamed Cooper, Kelly and Marynowitz.
No Agholor is NOTHING CLOSE to what most on here thinks he is. I am on record stating that he was a mistake to draft over Bud Dupree.
But most on here will continue to rationalize he will be, and or get better………..no he won’t….
if Hackenberg is there in the 3rd maybe roll the dice. Give him 16 starts in 2016. If he stinks then the birds draft first overall in 2017.
The kid is only 20 years old. He could sit for 3 years and learn NFL QB play and still be only 23 years if the patient approach is used.
Hackenbergh’ and Cardale Jones will suck in the NFL…….
Both will be career backups……..
I just can’t understand all the optimism about Bradford. I can’t see giving a big contract long term to a guy who has only really played decent for 1/2 a season. I don’t even see him as much of an upgrade over Foles, especially for the amount money he was paid and giving up the draft pick to boot. I do agree that Foles was not the answer, but I don’t believe Bradford is either. I would sign Bradford to a short term deal that is team/cap friendly only because he may be the best option short term. If someone else wants to pay him $100,000,000 they certainly can have him, that money could be better spent in other places. There’s other mediocre quarterbacks out there, so no need to overpay for one. For long term, I want way better than Bradford, Foles, or Sanchez. Those guys all give me flashbacks to Rodney Pete, Ty Detmer, and AJ Feeley. I’ll pass on repeating that history!
Don’t worry. There are only 3 guys on the planet with any interest/optimism about Sam Bradford. Strangely enough, they all seem to post on Gcobb.
Bradford is
“Part of the process” (Roseman)
and
“I’ve said all along we’re going to evaluate and we have to make the best decision possible for the Philadelphia Eagles. Going forward, if he’s our guy, then he’s our guy, and we make a run with him. If he decides to go elsewhere in free agency, then we’ve got a couple of guys that we can bring in here or use the guys on our roster and make a push that way……..”
“If he’s here, yeah. If he’s our guy, then he’s our guy, and we go forward with that.” (Pederson)
Optimism indeed.
Bradford is already on the next bus outta town.
Has anyone checked the Boone county obits to see if Fraudman croaked? He is either dead or fallen off the wagon? Or possibly so humiliated for being proven goofy and wrong that he is in self imposed exile.
Somebody said paulman and koolbreeze joined the circus.
I’d pay my quarter to see that freak show
haveablunt your too smoked out and broke to see anything and IrishEagle I didn’t join the circus I simply took my kid to the circus. We heard you were there as a leprechaun and a clown…
You looked like an idiot to be frank and my kid was bored..
I know Vinniedafoolass, havablunt, mhenski, Irish, and scores of other suckers..all are desperately hoping for Nick Foles return!
I’m amazed at the optimism for Nick Foles, Mark Sanchez, Chase Daniels..with the ‘hope’ that maybe, somehow, perhaps one of these QB’s in the draft that Howie the Accountant picks and decides is the right QB for the team will be the “One” who leads us to a Super Bowl!
Delusional, babbling idiots
“I’m amazed at the optimism for Nick Foles, Mark Sanchez, Chase Daniels..”
Ummm….hey twit.
There is only one idiot on the planet who ever had any optimism for Mark Sanchez – and that was you.
Damn, you spent 1000s of words in here singing that loser’s praises. So don’t attempt to stick his name with any of us. We told you right from the start he was a POS. You were the one and only idiot in the universe who wailed about how great he was.
Anyone (other than Sanchez – though he would be great if the plan is to tank next year) is better than the cap crushing loser that is Jay Bradford.
““If he’s here, yeah. If he’s our guy, then he’s our guy, and we go forward with that. But if he isn;t here, we’ll we’ll use another guy, ’cause Bradford is just a guy, if he’s our guy, well then he’s are guy, but if he’s not then we’ll just use another guy”
LOL
Keep your fingers crossed Koolidiot. You’re going to have to wish upon a star if you want to see your “guy” back in Eagles green.
Bullshit Vinniedafoolass and you know it!
Here was my “optimism” for Mark Sanchez…
IF he came in and lead the Eagles to the playoffs, he should be given the starting job over Nick Foles the next year!
I said 100 times on here: Nick Foles AND Mark Sanchez sucks!
We all know what you have your fingers cross for Vinniedafool…
The return of one Nick Foles and the Eagles becoming the Cleveland Browns….
If the Eagles can get Foles for a late 7th round pick, they should do it in a heartbeat. Cut Sanchez, draft a QB and play the long game.
If you make decisions based on your past actions (giving up a second round pick and Foles for Bradford) because you worry about “how it will be perceived”, then you are not using logic to make your decisions. Past actions should have no bearing on future decisions. It’s either a good or bad decision based on the current state of affairs. You can’t change the past. It would be like refusing to buy a stock that is rising based on good revenue growth and profit because you sold a bunch previously.
Make a decision on Foles purely on cost vs benefit to the team. Period.
LOL…
“Make a decision on Foles purely on cost vs benefit to the team. Period.”
Here is the benefit to the team…
NONE, ZERO…and you want to give up a draft pick for him too…
You must be Vinnie…because only Vinnie would suggest such a plan!
Did you watch Foles play last year…he was benched TWICE..
Foles is shot, he stinks, his confidence is gone…
The Players on the team who all want Bradford back would see this as a disaster, see it as the team that doesn’t know what its doing…
Anyone who thinks Howie the Accountant can draft a Franchise QB in this year’s draft is also delusional!
If the Eagles make these decisions: Letting Bradford go, getting Foles, Sanchez, or Chase Daniels to start…drafting one of these over hyped rookie QB’s the Eagles will be plunged to the bottom of the league with dregs like the Cleveland Browns…We will be calling for Pederson’s head next year when the team stinks…
The worse possible decision the Eagles can make would be to bring back Nick Foles even when/if he is cut by the Rams-(a strong possibility despite the cap hit they would take because he is a shot, confidence is gone…he cant play in the NFL)
“If the Eagles make these decisions: Letting Bradford go, getting Foles, Sanchez, or Chase Daniels to start…drafting one of these over hyped rookie QB’s the Eagles will be plunged to the bottom of the league with dregs like the Cleveland Browns…”
Must bust your balls eh Koolidiot?
2 former NFL Qbs and 4 former/current QB coaches on the staff and they are going to do exactly that.
But the fact that those guys completely disagree with a guy who has spent 3 years telling everyone how great Mark Sanchez, Mike Vick, Taj Boyd and Johnny Manziel were great is undoubtedly a good thing.
As long as the Eagles Brass does exactly the opposite of Koolidiot’s suggestions, then we’ll be in good shape.
So there you have it…its finally out
Vinniedafoolass, wants the Eagles to get Nick Foles!
The same Nick Foles who was benched twice last year
The same Nick Foles who had a dismal 56% pass completion rating
The same Nick Foles who was dumped by the Eagles and because his value was so low, we had to give up a second round pick…so essentially Nick Foles was the throw in for the trade.
The same Nick Foles who had a 69% QB rating last year
The guy stinks so badly no one would be surprised if the Rams didn’t flat out cut his ass and eat the money they paid him.
Vinniedafoolass wants this guy to be our Quarterback next year!
The same guy that he has been touting exclusively for the past 3 years and prior to that…he wanted Kevin Kolb signed to a long term deal!!!
Has Vinniedafool has wanted the Eagles to sign the worst of bums to lead the team…smh
If Howie the Accountant listens to Vinniedafool…we are done and finished
The same Nick Foles who was the worst starting QB in the NFL last year
The same Nick Foles that Vinniedafool wanted to sign to a long term contract and now wants to sign this bum again to long term deal
GB: That’s giving another team two free picks/gifts… one to take Foles away, then second to give him back to us. Yikes!!!!!!!
Agree 100%. Don’t give up any draft picks for Foles. If you just have to get him, I am sure he’ll be released later. They’ve already wasted one pick for Bradford, let’s not waste another trying to get Foles back. He’s not worth any more draft picks. Bradford, Foles, Sanchez are all basically the same caliber quarterback. Sign Bradford to a short term contract that won’t break the bank until something better can be found or developed. If he won’t take that kind of deal, good riddens. As I stated earlier, there’s more mediocre quarterbacks out there to be had. Build up the O line and defense, get a number one WR, and run the ball that way they can get by with mediocre until something better can be found at QB.
On the bright side, at least Copper is finally gone!
Stop it…Bradford is a significant upgrade over both Sanchez and Foles!
Last year when Bradford got the concussion playing behind a terrible offensive line, and they put Sanchez in…not a single one of us…including the Bradford haters on here now cried for Sanchez to remain the starting QB…
When everyone saw the awful performance turned in by Nick Foles at the Rams…he was dead last in almost every meaningful QB statistic…completion percentage, QB rating, interception percentage…that the Eagles would even consider this guy is mind-boggling
Bradford is no where near Nick Foles or Sanchez…hes’ not Tom Brady…but he surely is not the other end of the QB spectrum…Nick Foles
The best QB available to the Eagles is undoubtedly Nick Foles…Doug Pederson has made it clear:
“I’ve told him (Bradford)he is very capable of leading this team deep into the postseason,” Pederson said.
Now how do you say that publicly with all of the Players clearly wanting Bradford back…and then turn around and bring Nick Foles in here?
You get rid of the guy that YOU- Pederson said is capable of leading the team deep into the post season and you bring in the worst starting QB in the NFL…
Try selling that in the locker room…go ahead…give that a shot…
You are undermining the credibility of your coach and your organization with such a stupid move.
Bottom line…Sam Bradford is the best available QB, now Howie the Accountant might screw it up…but it would be the worst move in Eagles franchise history to bring back Nick Foles
Big typo…The best QB available to the Eagles is undoubtedly Sam Bradford…Doug Pederson has made it clear
Congrats on the grave shift job Kool. Above you say you took your kid to th circus. but the circus didn’t start yet, does your new grave shift job entail preparing Wells Fargo for the circus?
He’s completely jumped the shark.
I am beginning to feel sorry for the guy as his delusional exclamation point filled ramblings have become ever more absurd with each passing day.
So incredibly desperate for Sam “the guy…if we have the guy…then he’s our guy…and we make a run with him…but if hes not our guy…that’s ok…because there are other guys and we’ll make a run with them…but if he’s our guy…then he’s our guy…but if not….there are other guys….” Bradford
Vinnie – You keep quoting Pederson but interestingly, you only quote a small portion. You catch the part where he said Bradford could lead this team deep into the playoffs?
If you are going to source something, don’t leave out the parts that run counter to your overall point. It makes you look biased (as if that wasn’t clear already).
To me, Pederson’s recent comments made it crystal clear as to what is going on behind closed doors. Pederson wants to keep Bradford and draft a young guy. He beliefs he can get the most out of Bradford for the next three years while a rookie is groomed.
However, Pederson understands the financial situation and what he wants may not be possible.
Regardless, it seems pointless to argue (as you constantly have) that Pederson doesn’t think highly of Bradford. It is clear that he thinks much higher of Bradford than you do. Whether Bradford is here or not, I have no idea.
I maintain the best option is the Franchise him and draft a guy, but it doesn’t look like that is happening. If they sign Thurmond than that is the nail in Bradford’s coffin as then there will truly not be any money left to sign him.
once he established that he cant do simple math, by saying the contracts the eagles did so far this offseason reduced our salary cap numbers this year, then doubled down and repeated it after its clear as day and set in stone that curry’s, lanes, and ertz’s cap 2016 cap hit went up significantly, i fully comprehended the lack of intelligence the boy has. might as well just let him carry on with chanting:
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you cant fix stupid so why try?
Not only has the cap space diminished, but it came out the other day that in terms of “real” money. Eagles will have the highest actual payroll of all NFL teams next year.
Again, that’s different from cap space…actual real dollars (I know this confuses people…all those years under Banner when Eagles had tons of cap room, yet were constantly in the top 10 in actual payroll).
Anyway, the Eagles currently have the highest payroll heading into 2016…and if the Eagles sign Cox, then it won’t even be close. That’s a lot of actual cash for 7 wins.
Will the Eagles then go further and set an all-time payroll next year by adding Sam “miss 3 games and ensure 8-8” Bradford?? No chance.
BTW Can’t take it….Pederson did not say Jay Bradford can take the Eagles to the post-season….he said he told Bradford that Bradford could lead the team to the PS. Pumping the dude’s tires. Gotta keep those shoulder’s from slumping. Doesn’t mean he means it.
Especially if right after he says Bradford is “just a guy” that could take the team to the PS, but so could any of the guys on the roster or in the draft. I mean seriously….anyone ready/hears those lines he said the other day and thought that was some sort of ringing endorsement of Sam Fitzpatrick is delusional.
Vinnie – I’m just saying if you are going to use quotes from an interview to back your stance, don’t leave out the damning quotes from the very same interview. The direct exchange was as follows:
Question – Did Pederson tell Bradford he wants him back?
Answer – “Yeah, I have. With our conversations and the things we’ve talked about this spring, I’ve told him that he’s very capable of leading this team deep into the post-season.”
Even in your response to me you tried to alter the quote. Pederson didn’t say Sam can get the team to the playoffs, he said that Bradford could lead the team deep into the postseason.
But I guess he didn’t mean that stuff….he just meant the stuff that supports your point…..got it.
The other part of your response regarding payroll……once they extend Cox they will be damn near the top in actual payroll regardless of Bradford. Assuming you let Bradford walk and draft a young guy you are probably throwing out the next two years.
You think Lurie wants to pay the highest payroll in the league for back to back 4-6 win seasons? Might as well pay Bradford since your salaries are already so high and see what he can do. Again, Franchise him so no long term commitment.
All i know is…… I havent seen Vinnie walking around with his chest out like this since just before Vick was named starter over Foles and again before Foles was shipped to the Rams. Stay tuned everybody…. gunna be fun.
Damn straight. Whenever the argument is between going with a new young face with promise over an old, other team’s reject, never-has-been, loser….I’ll argue for the young kid with promise every single time.
Bradford has a .390 win percentage after 6 years….not including the 648 injuries.
And people call that a “best option”
Absolute joke.
bradford been there done that, watched that the past 5-6 years. HE BLOWS!!!!!!! id rather give jamarcus russell a 2nd chance than this bust a 3rd chance.
Lol… There’s that word again… “promise”. You slam those that talk about a players “potential”, claiming stats are all that matter. Specifically a players win %, seems to be at the top of your list, Yet you lift up a players “promise” as some great thing. You sir a joke. The 2 words are the same and while I agree with you that younger potential/promise is better than older potential /promise, sometimes it’s just not the case. When evaluating a player, one has to take into consideration many many things. For example; Coaching, talent around them, opportunities, system.
On Bradford.. Im not a big fan. I haven’t seen enough to make me think he will shine and I wish there were better qbs out there. I also prefer QB who can move. I don’t want a running qb… But I want one who can. That said… There isn’t much out there and I see potential /promise in Bradford here in Philly and I don’t see anyone better hitting the market.
The birds should transition tag him and draft a qb in rounds 3-5.
Promise potential are (basically) the same thing. I do not applaud the use of one and slam the use of another.
What I do is apply the words properly, and laugh at those who do not.
Promise/potential APPLY to young players. To players in their first couple of years.
Promise/potential DO NOT APPLY to perennial shitters like Vick and Bradford who have been terrible throughout their many years in the NFL.
The only “joke” is the group of clowns in here who keep trying to apply the words promise and potential to 6 year nobodies like Bradford.
I find it hilarious that outside of koolbreezes boy from the United Kingdom you would be hard pressed to find a national or global analyst to support Sam Bradford. Along the same lines you aren’t finding fans of the game outside of philly saying Sam is good either. Nope you just got a few desperate fans in Philly that are so scared of being worse that they refuse to admit how bad it (Sam) is now.
But I guess that’s the fun of this. There’s still people that believe Kolin krappernick is good
As always… Ill school simpleton as easy and plainly as I can….
The failure to see any potential and or promise in anyone older (thought I wouldn’t consider Bradford older) is just one of the many flaws in your evaluation process. What of guys like Bledsoe and Warner and even Randall? Randall kicked ars like never before once given a new team with toys, after even being out of the game. And perhaps the biggest of them all would be Frank Tark. After being traded Twice.. He went on to go 64-27-2. Will Sam do that? Doubt it. But to rule out a player because he is older than a rook… It’s just silly.
And for those that see this as an “all in for Sam” or “love for Sam” thing. Well… Ya can’t fix stupid.. If you choose not to read all my words that I have said clearly, that’s on you.
Point is… The Birds should do what they can to win now AND for the future. Vinnie, for a guy who talks about how important the QB position is…. You really seem to be showing serious ignorance at how bad an idea it is to give the keys to the franchise over to a room who won’t even be the first taken in the draft.
Agreed Stevo. But aside from the examples of late bloomers you gave, there is also the fact that Bradford missed an entire year and a half.
People keep saying this will be his 7th year as an NFL Qb so the book has been written, which is technically true, but you basically have to take a year and a half of that out because of the ACL injuries. So really, we are looking at a guy in his 5th year of NFL experience. Plenty of Qbs have blossomed during and after their 5th year in the league. Look no further than Cam Newton.
Another thing lost in the shuffle with Bradford was that in the 7 games leading up to the first ACL, he was having a Pro Bowl like season. Extrapolate those stats out and he would have been in the pro bowl.
So basically, if you look objectively at the situation (which most on here don’t), you have a guy that took 3 years in the league to get comfortable (no stretch there as that is very typical of the QB position). In the 4th year he started having a pro bowl like year before his first major injury.
Then, in his next NFL action (after a year and half off) it took him 7 games to knock the rust off. He then finished that year well above average.
If you look objectively at the guy, he has not past his “potential” or “promise” window as Vinnie and Mhenski would have you believe. Not by a long shot. And that is before you even consider the chance that he may be a late bloomer.
Notice I am not even mentioning the drops, bad o-line, bad coaching, and the drek that he had to deal with in STL…..as they would all be “excuses”. Even if you take the excuses out of the equation, Sam has shown enough to prove that there is at least the potential that he is still on his way up as an NFL QB.
Given that, tagging Bradford in some respect is a no-brainer.
Ummmm…..
Kurt Warner threw 41 tds in his FIRST year in the NFL. (Has Bradford hit 41 tds yet?)
Cunningham had a winning record from the first year he became a starter. He pretty much improved every year until his body broke down. Back in the 80s he was throwing (in his first years as starter for 23, 24, 30 tds) Has Jay Bradford even hit 20 in today’s “age of the QB??” Cunningham then had one rebound year after a few years off which was very similar to his was similar to his 1990 year. AND he had the benefit of two retarded WRs in Minny.
Bledsoe sucks.
So you are left with what….Tarkenton as your only example of some guy who “turned it on” late in his career.
Wow, you be loving those completely remote outliers I guess.
Sam Fitzpatrick threw for 19 fucking TDs this year when 2nd year players are throwing 30+!!!!
Jeezus man. You can get 19 tds out of some $3 million scrub!
Actually Vinnie…. you failed to miss the point…. AGAIN!!!
Warner was just about to give up on the game…. he was bounced around from Arena football to playing in Europe… and was actually on the Rams the year BEFORE he went nuts but only entered 1 or 2 games. He was even cut at 1 point.
Point is…. he was in his like 28 or 29 when he lit it up for the Rams.
THe point with Cunningham was that he always showed POTENTIAL and wasnt able to really hit his stride until late in his career.
Vinnie…. this was a conversation about potential/promise and age. Try and keep up son.
Ill say it again…. I’m not excited about Bradford…. but he is the best possible player available and I am not in favor of throwing in a rook who is the 3rd or 4th qb taken. It doesnt work. Time and time again it has been shown that this kind of pressure doesnt work. If it’s the 3rd pick in the draft… fine. If it’s a 3rd rounder who isnt expected to flourish early… fine. But going into the draft basically needing to draft a QB without time to groom is stuuupppid. And Im thankful the Eagles wont do it.
typing on my phone fails me everytime…. but you get the point.
As far as “cant take it goes”… im not sure rehabbing from 2 ACL tears means he’s younger. I get that he wasnt hit but…. yea, thats not good.
mhenski – You must not be looking in the right places because the vast majority of “national guys” say that Bradford is the way the eagles should go.
ESP actually had an article while he was at the superbowl and just about everyone he talked to was pro-Bradford.
Contrary to what you are saying here are the three places I see the most negatively towards Bradford:
1. This board
2. Tweets from ESP and Jimmy Kempski;
3. Half of the morons that call in to sports talk radio. However, you have to take their opinion with a grain of salt as half of them actually think Andy Reid is still the coach and the other half think Sam’s last name is Stafford. Real football fans there.
What national guys? Who ? Where?
Funny people wanna pay this bust ridiculous money for a bottom 5 starting qb yet he don’t make people’s top 20 free agent lists in a year where free agents suck.
So Vinniedafool’s answer is to grab Nick Foles….LMAO
A guy with absolutely no ‘promise’ or ‘potential’
A guy who was unquestionably the worst QB in the NFL last year…
A guy who has no confidence, benched twice, choked up and finished
Idiots…
The Coach needs to be given the latitude to win with who he believes he can win with!
Question – Did Pederson tell Bradford he wants him back?
Answer – “Yeah, I have. With our conversations and the things we’ve talked about this spring, I’ve told him that he’s very capable of leading this team deep into the post-season.”
This is all we need to know…he has made this public…so how does it look for the team to let Bradford go? How will it look in the locker room when the guy that all the players want back, that the Coach says can lead the deep in the playoffs?
Let him go and bring in Nick Foles Vinniedafool’s guy…or who knows who mhenski aka the racist pervert…aka multiple profiles…aka spellchecker akadumbass…we all know how upset you are over the release of ya boy Riley “I’ll fight any n*%#a in here” Cooper….LOL
Who are you picking dumbass? Who’s the QB…?
Hey…mhenski…how was that last KKK meeting you attended where you and all your prevert buddies hangout?
“So Vinniedafool’s answer is to grab Nick Foles….LMAO”
You are losing it fucknuts. Seeing shit that does not exist. Find one post where I say “Bring Foles back”. That ship has sailed.
Just like Bradford. He’s ancient history. Only one guy here with Foles balls in his mouth and its you. Mentioning him 78x a day. Damn you must love that guy.
LMAO…so are you Vinniedaloserass finally admitting
Finally confessing to the truth
That you were WRONG about your mancrush, you idol, the love of your life
The guy who’s stats you memorized
The guy who’s family you cried in pain because we were so ‘tough’ on the ‘kid
Are you Vinniedafoolass finally admitting that Foles is a piece of shit as a QB and unworthy to be back here as a QB?
LMAO!!!
“Find one post where I say “Bring Foles back”. That ship has sailed.”
I looked Vinnie…and couldn’t find a single one…
But I also didn’t find a single one where you stated emphatically that it would be stupid to bring Foles back!!
I didn’t find one statement in opposition to Pederson bring Foles in…if he is cut, not one statement declaring that Foles is done, finished…and that he is not a viable option.
You ducked the issue you fraud ass…
Admit it Vinniedafoolass…say the obvious…
Man up for once in the cosy confines of that park bench you call home that you were WRONG about Nick Foles…LMAO!!!!
The only question you need to ask is how will it look in 3.5 hours when they don’t slap the franchise (or even transition) tag on the guy meaning he’s going to hit the FA market and be long gone by the time spring camps open.
Bradford (for all intents and purposes) has 3 hours and 29 mins left on the Eagles roster. Enjoy it while you can dumbnuts.
Fool ass Vinny…it wouldn’t surprise me at all
After all Howie the Accountant is running things
If the Eagles let him go…they will only be making a very foolish move
We all know who you are desperately hoping for Vinniedafool…praying and wishing for….
Call me Crazy but…..With Bradford, as I see it, you are either all in or all out. The “in between” stance would be to tag him. With that you make him a 1 year rental player, even more so if you draft a QB relatively high. As a result, you will have a player who will self-preserve all season. You think he was a “check-down Charlie this year….haaah!
It would get a 3 year deal started. I see him getting far less than the trash 20-25 million that some throw out there.
After watching the tape on Carson and Paxton I really believe both are damn good qbs and will be quality starts at the nfl level.
Paxton has everything you want in terms of an nfl body. Big, strong and tough and plays with injuries. Has a big time arm and has better athleticism then Big Ben. He comes from a system where he has to make reads and anticipation throws from the pocket. He’s damn good at extending plays with his feet and never folds under pressure. Very calm cool and collective.
One of his cons is that he tends to hold onto the ball to long at times and will have trouble planting his feet here and there. Things that will develope over time
Only saw Memphis play once and Temple made Lynch look average, never seen Wentz play.
Lots of good stuff out today on philldotcom and bleedinggreen, I wish gcobb would get back to tending to this thing. I would love to hear about…..; a breakdown of what we can expect from a DP offense, a closer look at what our new D could look like to nae a couple.
Wentz and Goff will be gone by the time the Eagles pick…Lynch is not ready…he’s a guy for 3 years down the road…all of these QB’s are potential big time busts!
We should not pick a QB until the 4 or 5th round…we need to go offensive line and wide receiver
Goff’s throws rise, a lot of high balls. Ryan Mallet and Cam Newton passes rise too, that is who I think of when I saw Goff play. More Mallet than Cam because Newton likes to run.
Sorry 4.5 hours. There you go Kooltwit, you have an extra hour to stroke it to your Bradford poster before he’s gone.
Fool…plus the Eagles have until March 1st…If they are not as dumb as you..
If Howie the Accountant is listening to the players, coaches and everyone there telling him to keep Bradford…he is trying to get him signed…before March 1st…
eagles will sign sam i am to a 4 year $75 contract with about $50 guaranteed. will be viewed as a 3 year contract with a hefty signing bonus… eagles are going to try to win– (vinnie i know he hasn’t won)– but they are going to see this thing through- lots of big defensive contracts, going to try to fix the davis 3/4 and win with D …
don’t shoot me, i’m just the messenger.
Oh, “officially” they have until March 1st. But symbolically they have until today to announce that he’s the guy they want.
You know that isn’t going to happen. Perhaps they are still “evaluating”. Perhaps this is still “part of the process”
LOL
If you’re “part of the process”, you’re not part of the process.
Eagles arent’ tagging him. They’re not interested in making sure he stays. Teams don’t let players they like hit free agency. And by not tagging, that’s where he is headed. And so he’s headed to Houston, or Denver, or whereever else to miss 4 games to injury, sulk around and win 7 games.
You know it…..so you might as well find some new shitty QB to pimp because Bradford is gone.
Who’s your next shitter Koolidiot? You going back to telling everyone how great Sanchez is? Vick is a FA I think. Why don’t you get on that wagon again? Hell, I forgot….both Johnny Manziel and Taj Boyd are out there! Get on it!!
Kap or RG3?
a “symbolic” breakup for the eagles and bradford? Vinnie…. you need help.
You know who needs help? The guy who constantly comes in here saying “I don’t like Bradford” while at the same time jumping in to sign his praises every time I or anyone else says something bad about the guy.
“I don’t like Bradford…I really don’t care” while making 5000 posts rusing to his defense.
I hope there are two of you posting under the same name Stevo otherwise…..
open eyes simpleton-
there is 1 Stevo and I always say that GIVEN WHATS OUT THERE… the guy gives us the best chance to win.
If Brady were a FA- Id rather him.
If Rogers were a FA- Id rather him.
GIVEN WHATS OUT THERE…. the guy gives us the best chance.
Bradford> 3rd or 4th qb taken in the draft> FA’s Available> Foles
I dont know why this hard to understand. You just dont hand your franchise over to a draft pick- especially the 3rd one taken in a draft thats not strong at the position.
I suppose we could go the Kap or RGIII route…. but I doubt you want that.
Vinnie- Im always going to side with the coaches on this one- as i have forever. Bottom line is…. they know who the best QB on their team is.
The only simpletons are the ones who continually shout “best option”.
Sam is only a “best option” if you want a QB who will miss 12 games over the next 3 years while the team wins 20 games over that timeframe.
He is not the way forward. He is the way nowhere.
Sam Bradford is the equivalent of putting your car in Neutral, slamming your foot down on the gas pedal and wondering why the car is stuck int he same spot.
“best option” my ass.
Thankfully the head coach does not agree with your ideas…
“I think Sam, he’s got all the tools,” Pederson explained. “There’s no question. There’s no denying that. He’s got good size, a great arm, good mind for the game. And it’s just a matter of now plugging him in and cutting him loose. And utilizing those strengths in this system.”
If that’s what the coach truly thinks of Sam Bradford than we might see him back next year. But you have to question whether Pedersen truly believes that….
99% of the time a team will lock-up the guy who is going to cost them the most money first, then see what’s left for the Brent Celek’s..
Bradford has shown over several years that he is not likely to lead a team to a winning season. When you factor-in the likelihood that he will be injured at some point during the season, Sam does not really give us the best chance of winning.
He is not the best option, because 7-9 next year is worse than 4-12.
Confused, Delusional, and bewildered…
In your dazed, stuck on stupid state Vinniedafoolass calls us to look at the
“symbolic”
CTFU!!!!
Note that Vinniedafool still has not declared that he is opposed to the Eagles bring Nick Foles back to the team. He rails incessantly against signing Bradford but when confronted with the option of bring Foles comes up…he goes into a silent mode
We all know what that ‘symbolically’ means to Vinniedafoolass!!
Pathetic lies, desperate arguments, consistently flip-flopping
Vinniedafool told us earlier this year…
I like Bradford…I got what I wanted a “pocket-Quarterback”
This is what Vinny told us earlier…but now he sees a ray of hope through the dark nightmare he has lived with the dismissal of his man-crush
The return of Nick Foles…LMAO
So now he’s grasping for the ‘symbolic’ in a pure state of babbling incoherence that perfectly aligns with his total ignorance of football.
Your pathetic Vinniedafoolass!
You are losing it fucknuts….
Koolidiot today:
“Note that Vinniedafool still has not declared that he is opposed to the Eagles bring Nick Foles back to the team.
Me yesterday:
“Find one post where I say “Bring Foles back”. That ship has sailed.
Just like Bradford. He’s ancient history. Only one guy here with Foles balls in his mouth and its you.”
I made that yesterday….and you responded to it….and today its forgotten???
You need help kid….though not sure if your night security job has the health care benefits that would pay for your much needed counselling.
LMAO…
So make it absolutely clear Vinniedaloser
Lets say the Eagles do decide to revisit ancient history, the Rams cut the absolute worst QB in the NFL last year, the twice benched, disgraced, your special man-crush, the guy that you were connected to his family, the guy you insisted that the Eagles sign to a long term deal…
You are opposed in no uncertain terms to bringing Nick Foles back?
You have declared that all of us told you repeatedly for more than 2 years that Nick Foles was shot, done…that the only real potential he had was has a clip carrying back up in the CFL…the guy you said could lead us to Super Bowl glory when we told you that he stank…
You are finally admitting he is finished, and even if we had a chance to bring back…to revive his career under Pederson…you are saying…NO
Foles is done??
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They hate on Sam is so ridiculous and blown over proportion. I get its the qb position and the most critique and scrutinized position of them all considering they have the ball in there hands eveRy play.
But it was not all his fault. Judging on how some of u post on here, you would think he was to blame for everything and played like Nick Foles did. Then wr play and running backs didn’t help our Qb out at all this season. You have seen Brady, brees, Rodgers and manning all struggle when the people around them struggle as well, and these guys are the best QB in the business.
Being there physically and actually playing football during camp and the reg season is only half the battle after tearing ur acl multiple times. Believe it or not, the mental part is probably the harder part then getting back in shape.
Planting ur back foot, running and keeping a calm, cool collective mind is hard to do with 300 lb gladiators trying to knock ur head off. I can’t even imagine what went thru his head when Suggs went straight for his knee that preseason opener for Sam.
As the season progressed, especially after the bye we all saw Sams confidence and chemistry grow with not only his team mates but himself as well. He was dropping back, Planting his feet and getting rid of the ball faster. This was all with a non existing running game, and leading the nfl in drops. During his time in STL he was always in the top 2 in drops as well in a divison with San fran and seattle.
This game is widely known as the ultimate TEAM sport. Philly had problems all over the place with not only playing, but also coaching.
If we do decide to keep sam, he will be anther season removed from his acls tears. He is 28 years old and can only get better from here the more confidence He has in that knee and playing with the same players. 19 tds was 14 ints isn’t completely terrible considering what we had at the wr play and running game. There is not a qb In this game that could tear there acl twice, go to that 2015 philly team with those amount of drops and running game and throw 35 tds or something along those lines.
Sam can and will improve. I believe the injury bug is behind him..anybody who doesn’t believe a qb cannot improve in just to bias against sam. He’s still young and could hit his prime in his early 30s.
If we got young, great. But if not and he comes back don’t bitch about it. Even tho I kno alot of u will. It wouldny be the WORST thing ever. If sam gets hurt, we are in the lottery next year possibly looking at a young QB in a deeper clase.
Excellent post CT..and there are people that understand what you have conveyed. Here we have a QB who made a comeback after being out for two years and got progressively better. His teammates believe in him and have encouraged management to resign him. His new Coach, Pederson puts himself out on a limb and says we can go far in the playoffs WITH Bradford.
But rather than give the new Coach a chance…so many simply want to pursue some other foolish agenda…
smh!! A Damm Shame
BRADFORD CREW SUMMARY:
He is our best option!!!!! He is the best free agent!!!!!!! There is no better options!!!!! We can be competitive this year and maybe finish with 8 wins and maybe win the division!!!!!!
IDEAL OUTCOME- sam is competitive and leads the eagles to a respectable record. Becomes the 2011-2012 sixers, then in 3 years these sam people beg for a real qb and a tank job.
ANTI BRADFORD CREW SUMMARY:
Sam has a track record of being a bottom 5-10 qb. He doesnt make his teammates better. He doesnt win. He is not winning us a playoff game and for sure not a superbowl. 8 wins is not good enough.
IDEAL OUTCOME – see if they can bring in another qb that can compete, let the D and soon to be new O Line gel. Start the rebuild now, if that means being shit and us getting us a top pick and a shot at watson – awesome! it gets us a better shot at a championship quicker
Summary
Some fans are ok with mediocracy others are not.
I didnt say anything about 8 wins or happy with 8 wins. Please.. dont do a summary for the side you don’t understand.
Clearly we see this differently, and that is completely fine. I am not interested in taking.
Henski, I am firmly in the anti-Bradford camp but your outcomes are skewed to your camp and a bit disingenuous.
The keep Bradford outcome COULD read like this: use top draft picks on (fill in the blank other than qb), win the division, get hot at the right time and make a run….
The dump Bradford outcome might be: draft (fillin the blank qb) using yet another draft pick on a qb and he is Christain Ponder or go 3-13 get watson and he is Russell, RG, Heath shucker etc.
look, we are in QB hell, definition of qb he’ll expend a lot of ‘assets’ (throw a bone to the Hinkyites) on failed QBs…..Kolb rd. 2, Vick huge contract, sanchez FA contract, Foles rd. 3, Barkley rd. 4, Bradford a player and a 2…. Not one of them worth a shit..QB hell.
I’m in favor of
winless for Watson over
Instead of
Same ol Sam
Sam was in the most qb friendly system last year that gave Sam more opportunities than most if not all qbs in the league and what were the results?
Pathetic uninspired qb play
Bottom 5 qb play
An offense so hard to watch it made the sixers look good
Last year was the most embarrassing unwatchable Eagles offense I’ve seen in decades. And you know why? Because of Sam. 70+% of his 3rd down passes were before the 1st down marker.
The guy stinks, he is an average at best backup, heartless, cowardly, brittle , fraud. I don’t ever want to see an offense like that again.
He needs to go. He embarrassed our team, our fans and himself too many times and add that to his career history and the only take Away is disgrace get him the fuck outta here. Bring in rg3 bring in chase Daniel bring in Brett Favre off the farm bring in cade mccown or anyone I don’t care. Sam can’t win or entertain so give someone else the stage
“I’m in favor of winless for Watson”
LMAO…
Stuck on stupid is what you are…mperverthenski
If Sam Bradford is as bad as you claim…why not keep him and lose…LOL
There is the ‘master plan’…the mdumbassHenski plan…lose with the hope, wish and prayer that you get Watson…throw away a season..
Now if Watson gets hurt next season, blows out a knee then what?
Fool…tanking doesn’t work in the NFL
The game is too emotional, players have too much invested, efforts aimed at tanking would blow up in the Eagles face, Pederson would be discredited.
The team has to build confidence in the new Coach, he needs credibility
Losing Sam Bradford would be a major step in the wrong direction…
All of the Sam haters with the witty nicknames are simply ignoring the facts
Sam Bradford according to numerous sources has credibility with the Players
Malcolm Jenkins spoke in support of him today
The new Coach says that he can win with Bradford and make a playoff run
Bottom line…Sam Bradford is the best option for the Eagles moving forward…failing to sign him would be dumb and stupid…
Perfect match for you m-the perv racist-henski!
Sam could have the greatest wr ever and that pussy still wouldn’t throw the ball past the 1st down mArker.
Sam is to quarterbacks what Kool is to 3rd grade math
LOL
just read a little qb consistency analysis of last years qb stats on a week to week basis. heres how this scrub bradford did
top 3 qb any given week – 0% of the time
top 10 qb any given week – 14.29%
top 15 qb any given week 35.71%
BOTTOM 15 qb any given week 64.29%
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sam was a top 3 qb 0 games
top 10 qb for 2 games
top 15 qb for 5 games
a total loser for the remaining 7 games he played and 2 games he sat with a booboo
FUCK THIS SQUID
Seven Win Sam!
Seven Game Win Ceiling Sam!
Seven win Sam. I like that.
Sammy Sevens?
I find it interesting that all the guys who were hot for MV7wins are also hot for Sammy Sevens.
And those stats take into account his dogshit tds… his meaningless game against the giants
GET THE FUCK OUT OF PHILLY
in other news is paul on a 2 week moonshine bender?
Sham Bradford
Sammy Sevens
Seven Win Sam
Jay Bradford
Slumpy Shoulders
Sam “the twig” Bradford
Sam Fitzpatrick
Sam I Am
Seven Win Sam
Sam the Squid
One Eyed Sam Bradford
Checkdown Charlie
Sam “part of the process” Bradford
Sam “just a guy” Bradford
Dude is collecting nicknames faster than NFl wins that’s for sure. And while I am directly responsible for over half of them, probably not good news that the last 2 come directly from Eagles brass.
What else do we have out there?
bradFRAUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sam Douche bagford
sam “i need a better running game” bradford
sam “i need a better o line” bradford
sam ” i need a better receivers bradford”
sam “same execuses as vick” bradford
Sam “torn labia” Bradford
Glass Bradford
Sam Waterford
(Kooltwit will never get that one, but I love it)
Sham Bradfraud…aka Seven Win Sam