• November 23, 2024

Don’t Put The Eagles In The Super Bowl, Just Yet

Don’t buy into all the hype that Eagles are an outstanding football team.  They’re getting better but they’re not there yet.

For about a decade, the Eagles would enter the season with holes throughout the team, but Andy Reid and Donovan McNabb would some how get them to the playoffs and find a way to win a game or two.  Then the Reid and McNabb’s limitations as well as the team’s shortcomings would surface and the season would end.

It wasn’t that McNabb and the team choked, they just weren’t good enough and we knew it when the season started but forgot their limitations after they won a few games.

Before the season, nobody would have been jumping up and down because the Eagles had beaten the Detroit Lions and Jacksonville Jaguars.  Now everybody should cool out and stop themselves from talking about the Birds winning the Super Bowl just because the Eagles beat two bad football teams.

This happens every year.  The Eagles win some games and immediately the fans start thinking and talking Super Bowl, despite huge problems on the football team.  The Jacksonville Jaguars defense totaled 14 sacks last year, but they pressured Michael Vick most of the day and got three sacks against the Eagles offensive line, so what does that tell you.

Think about it, if the Jaguars defense were to get three sacks a game for the season, they would lead the league in sacks.

With that in mind, will this Eagles offensive line going to be able to stand up to the better pass rushing teams in the league?  I don’t think so.

I know the Birds have run the ball fairly well against the Lions and the Jags, but will they be able to run it against good defenses with a game on the line, or will Vick have to win the game single-handedly.

As productive as Michael Vick and the offense were on Sunday, he and his receivers could have played much better. Vick just flat out missed a few throws.

DeSean Jackson cost Vick about three or four completions by either dropping the ball or not getting his feet down in bounds.

Jeremy Maclin failed to bring down one of Vick’s best throws of the day.

Jaguars quarterback David Garrard was benched the week before.  He’s terrible and his receivers are worse.  Maurice Jones-Drew was limping around on a bad ankle.

Bottomline, the Eagles are playing well but must get better.  They haven’t arrived.

I don’t want to see Vick set up, so that when something goes wrong, everybody can blame everything on him. The same offensive line that everybody was crying about Kevin Kolb being forced to play behind, is the same line that’s blocking for Vick, or not blocking for Vick.

The hits on Vick will take their toll just like body shots to the torso of a boxer will eventually take their toll.

If the Eagles are going to win a Super Bowl, Vick must continue to play great and the rest of the team will have to step up their games and that begins with that offensive line.  As the weeks go by the Birds will get into the teeth of their schedule, then we’ll find out how good they are.

Before the Eagles pass some of those tests, don’t believe the hype.

GCOBB

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daggolden
daggolden
September 29, 2010 7:00 am

Biggest surprise besides Vick to me is Ellis Hobbs. The Eagles hit another home run with releasing a aging veteran in Sheldon Brown. I havent read 1 we miss Sheldon comment. But the biggest surprise is how good Hobbs is. Hes every bit as agrressive and a better cover corner than Brown. Dare I say he is better than Asante? I never knew he was this good. WR have had no impact thus far this season. Is it that opposing QBs are killing us with throwing to the RBs and TEs and no need to challenge our corners or are corners that good? Probably a combination of both.

eaglez4ever
eaglez4ever
September 29, 2010 8:34 am

Super Bowl ….way to early to tell. Playoffs i think is a very good possiblitly for this team. If the offense can continue to gel as a whole (mainly the oline) i think this defense will get alot better as the year goes on. We do have a very young D and they r undersized but they r an extremly talented group this year. This is going to be a weird year around the nfl anyway with only three i bleieve undefeated teams left in the nfl as of week 4 two of which r the bears and cheifs ……who would have thought.

Paul Mancini
Paul Mancini
September 29, 2010 8:34 am

For the Record the Eagles Traded S Brown and C Gocong for a 5th Rd Draft pick and LB Hall (Who was released by the Eagles in the 1st week of camp)
I was watching some Browns highlights and Brown was beaten many times by the Ravens and Bucs
WR’s the last couple of weeks.. He was a good solid Cover Cb in his prime But age and minore leg injuries have caught to him as he’s lost a 1/2 step which is huge when you try to cover these big,strong fast WR’s of today…
Hobbs has played well and even plays where his Receiver has caught the ball, the coverage has been tight and he’s made a sure tackle right away.. He is aggressive and will bite on the short outs and get burned deep once in a while, but from 15 yards and in, he’s a good cover guy…

eaglez4ever
eaglez4ever
September 29, 2010 8:37 am

P man question for you. What do think the chaces are we resign Vick and ditch Kolb next year. I mean we r cheap and Vick is prob going to want about 5 years worth about 60 – 100 mil what r your thoughts?

Paul Mancini
Paul Mancini
September 29, 2010 8:41 am

About the Jaguars Def/Line G,
I think there is little doubt that that is their strength of their Defense for this 2010 season..
They have lots of Young talent along the D/Line so their Sack Totals will improve..
(it’s a much different front than they has last year.. Kampman is in his 1st year as a Jaguar
, Ayulua is their #1 Draft pick and a rookie who looks very active, and T Knighton is a 2nd year player) so comparing them to last years Jax Squad is irrelevant…
I think one thing the Eagles Offense does well when they are playing good is to have a quick tempo
and after throwing the ball as much as they do, they will tire out the opposing teams D/Lines and especially those teams with little depth (like the Jags).

Paul Mancini
Paul Mancini
September 29, 2010 8:57 am

To Eagles4ever,
If Vick plays well over the next 4-5 weeks (which there is no indication that he won’t)
then I believe the Eagles will re-sign him to a 3 year Deal and annouce it by Nov 15th (just in time for the stretch run and just prior to their Monday Night Game with the Redskins)
$$$ wise, I am sure there will be a good bonus $$$ up front and probably a 3-4 year deal worth about $45-$60 with $12-$15 in Guaranteed Dollars would be my best guess and a yearly Salary of $10-$12 per year deal
Being Age 30 for him is not like other players for since he was out of Football basically the last 3 years, he’s body is not beat up and he never really sustained any serious injuries during his career, so he should be physically fir to play at a high level for the next 4-5 years easily (barring any leg,knee injury)
As far as Kolb, I am not sure, there is interest in him by other clubs, If Vick playes well, stays healthy and the Eagles lock him up for the next 3-4-5 years, then Kolb will definitely be moved after this season… I really think the performance and play ove rthe next 4-5 game/weeks by Vick will determine Kolb’s future as an Eagle.
Thnx for the question…

phillywill
phillywill
September 29, 2010 9:13 am

really good article here
i really liked this part
“For about a decade, the Eagles would enter the season with holes throughout the team, but Andy Reid and Donovan McNabb would some how get them to the playoffs and find a way to win a game or two. Then the Reid and McNabb’s limitations as well as the team’s shortcomings would surface and the season would end.”
very well said i would agree with this assesment
i also agree while im happy with the 2 wins im not ready to annoint us sb champs
but at the same token its better to be 2-1 with hope then 1-2 or 0-3 and feeling like the season is over

and i miss sheldon brown lol

eaglez4ever
eaglez4ever
September 29, 2010 9:23 am

Thanks PMAN for your input. On a completly unrelated but very funny topic anyone hear about that 55k dinner bill the cowboys hit dez bryant with LOL. Couldnt have happened to a nicer kid.

EAGLE Co 32
EAGLE Co 32
September 29, 2010 9:31 am

Great article G, I talked to you on the radio a couple of weeks back. Trust me I enjoy the excitement. I appreciate what Vick brings to the ball club. I am NOT a believer in this TEAM! We all know how this movie ends. This team is flawed. As much as I hate Dallas they have talent at every position. Yes they are nut cases but the talent is there. This FO for whatever reason does not evaluate talent properly. Bringing in these injured guys has not worked. Vick has made us take the focus off the issues that we have. I’m tired of it, personally. Yes this coaching staff deserves credit for helping to bring Vick to a better pocket passer. They also have to take a MAJOR hit in the bust Kevin Kolb. Yes I said it! All these apologist for this guy. 4 years and we still have to baby him! Please this is the NFL.
BTW Please slow down on the Hobbs praise. Let’s wait until he goes up against some good competition.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
September 29, 2010 9:32 am

“G”, I don’t think anyone is thinking Superbowl just yet…..It’s just the excitement of actually having a chance of a season we fans thought was wasted waiting for Kolb to actually catch up with the rest of the talent on offense. Now that we have a proven fiery option at the QB position it takes the sting away from losing a franchise QB in Mcnabb. We’re riding the excitement of a season with a chance to do some damage and if we get enough wins….a home game in the playoffs could do wonders for our chances…

Now would we rather have a season with expectations in a weak NFC or throw away a season and expect losing because the quarterback needs time to learn ?

They learn in the offseason and preseason…We want a chance!

Michael Vick gives us that chance.

WellWellWell
WellWellWell
September 29, 2010 9:56 am

G, nice prespective on this article. Good form!

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
September 29, 2010 10:02 am

I don’t even know what hype G is referring to. Everything I’ve heard has been people more skeptism (which is should be) than optimism. All of the hype as been going towards Vick and not the team which is understandable right now. But who is proclaiming this team a Super Bowl team?

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
September 29, 2010 10:06 am

, are you kidding? Hobbs is nowhere near the corner Sheldon is. His “turnstyle” coverage will not work when we start playing the good QBs and receivers again. It didn’t work against Rodgers and Jennings and it won’t work against Romo and Austin x 2 Manning and Nicks x 2, Ryan and White, Schaub and Johnson, Manning and Wayne. Please don’t get all hyped on Hobbs after playing against teams with bad QBs.

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
September 29, 2010 10:08 am

Paul, you are exactly correct. He is fine in the short and intermediate routes because he’s not afraid to tackle. But he’ll get abused deep especially when we face some of the top QBs in the league that know how to attack downfield and have receivers who can play the game. He’s ok, but that’s about it.

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
September 29, 2010 10:10 am

WWW – howgozit – I disagree on the perspective – I think the perspective in this article – as with many eagles fams, is the super bowl or bust mentality. If you show any – lets us the word – happiness or satisfaction, with the fact the eagles are 2-1 and in first place and the team just played a very nice game, you instantly get the ‘don’t book the tix yet, don’t annoint them yet’ – the proper perspective is that last week they played a very solid game – but that doesn’t matter come Sunday – Come Sunday its a whole new game – and proper perspective is we do that every week until 1) the seasons over and they didn’t make the playoffs 2) they lose a playoff game or 3) they win the SB. You book your tix after the NFCC game – which is also the proper time to ‘place them’ in the SB – and you don’t annoint a team – they win the game. As a fan – a true die hard, bleed eagle green, go crazy on Sunday fan – I always have the eagles winning the SB. I look at teams like the Red Sox that went how many years – but every year they hauled themselves out until finally they got over the hump.

Looking for wholes in a football team is kind of like looking for hypocrisy in a politician. Not that hard –

And for all the folks busting on Kolb – many had written off Justice, many had written off Laws. Kolb is an eagle and deserves our full support –

one of the last lines of the article discuss Vick taking shots like body shots to a boxer – before you pen Kolb’s obituary – and ship him off to Elba – we may need this dude to win us a couple games – when was the last season and Eagle QB went all 16?

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
September 29, 2010 10:19 am

Good article:

Vick’s Ascension Magnifies Racial Divide

I was talking to an ex-NFL player last week, guy I hadn’t seen in a while, and eventually we got around to Michael Vick. The ex-player is African-American, from the rural South. His take was that Vick’s prison term for dogfighting was way too harsh, and that people should let that go, as Vick remakes himself as the quarterback of the Eagles. The ex-player recalled seeing Sunday afternoon dogfights in a park where he grew up, witnessed (and presumably wagered upon) by the local police.
This was not an isolated occurrence. I think if you surveyed the largely African-American Eagles locker room, that guy’s take would be the perspective of a huge percentage of the players.

Race is such a tricky, hot-button thing, so many of us just try to pretend it isn’t a part of the issues we deal with, even when it obviously is.The Eagles’ locker room shocked much of the (white) fan base by voting Vick the Ed Block Courage Award last year. Hmmm. What do you think that was about?
Another conversation last week, with a (white) agent. He was talking about going to a Super Bowl party many years ago, when Vick was near the start of his career. The party was largely African-American, and the agent remembered being surprised at how Vick’s presence resonated with other famous players and guests — “it was like Michael Jordan had walked in,” the agent said.

One of the reasons Roger Goodell was so interested in Vick’s rehabilitation was Vick’s standing in the African-American community. Predogfight scandal, by 2007 much of white America might have seen Vick as a sideshow, a quarterback who never took his craft seriously enough to win anything. Black America saw an artist, an elegant, unstoppable performer. (They now see him as an elegant, unstoppable performer who has been persecuted by white people.)

This was much like the split that surrounded Allen Iverson in his prime. (A guy from the exact same background, a few neighborhoods over.)

So, here we are, with Vick starting for the Eagles, and playing well. All over the Internet, people (mostly African-American) argue that he has paid his dues and should be embraced. Other people (mostly not African-American) argue that torturing and killing dogs over a period of years isn’t something you just shrug off because a guy went to prison for a while and is now playing real well.
I don’t see any easy answers, an unqualified yes to one and no to the other. Obviously, I didn’t grow up black in the rural South. I grew up white in the suburban South. I think I understand a little of the “cultural” argument. I never saw a dogfight, but in my family, dogs were not cuddly little foo-foo things; they lived outdoors, didn’t come in the house. One neighbor had a kennel of hunting dogs, and gave us one who couldn’t hunt.

Still, I found myself wanting to ask the ex-player last week, “So, after these dogfights in the park, did you watch the dogs being hanged and electrocuted? Did you think, ‘Gee, that looks like fun, I’d like to kill some of those dogs myself!’ Over and over and over again?”

Vick has been nothing but decent and courteous to me. I can’t reconcile what he has done with the guy I talk to in the Eagles’ locker room. I’m really hoping to get a better handle on that as we move forward. And as a sports reporter, I can’t let my discomfort with what he did make me discount what he does on the field; if I let that happen, I am not doing my job.

But I’ll admit, I find the idea of Vick “sticking it to” his critics by playing well a really perverse, obnoxious notion. He can throw for 100 touchdowns this year, and he still did what he did, and it was still really, really, really wrong.

The only hope for something good coming out of Vick’s ascension that I can see is that maybe Vick will gain a greater platform to somehow explain himself, that he can give us a better notion than he has so far of how these things can possibly happen, and demonstrate through his words and deeds he is really a different person now.

But I think it’s going to be a bumpy ride.

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
September 29, 2010 10:20 am

And for those who just can’t let it go, here’s some food for thought:

It’s very easy to hold resentments, but forgiveness is vital. If the African-American community held resentments for slavery, racial murders, hangings, Jim Crow, and the many legal injustices committed against it, we’d be in the middle of a civil war. How many times have white racists gotten off for murders committed against blacks? How many times have whites been slapped on the wrist for crimes committed because it was reasoned that their television exposure or lost of of a job/income was more than enough punishment? What Vick did was despicable, but there are many more despicable crimes committed by whites, i.e., those committed against the American Indian. The list goes on and on. I was taught that holding a resentment is like going to the bathroom on yourself. You’re the only who feels it. I’ve learned that it’s not necessarily true, because we share each others’ pain in one way or another.

phillywill
phillywill
September 29, 2010 10:21 am

rich kotite was an eagle

daggolden
daggolden
September 29, 2010 10:21 am

scorp i can only go by what i have seen up to date. All i know is Hobbs has been solid and has given no indications of being a turnstyle. Please let me know where you have gotten that from in these 3 games. Now you are predicting that he isnt gonna be good in the future which is ridiculous. Lets see how it plays out. All i know is that Palaxico and others abused Sheldon for years. Sheldon was ok never a pro bowler as evidence of never being there. So lets not make him more than he was. A few big hits is all it takes in Philly to make you forget he was a avg coverage guy.

WellWellWell
WellWellWell
September 29, 2010 10:29 am

Change that to CopyAndPasteWinslow

stop with the race stuff please…soooo annoying

WellWellWell
WellWellWell
September 29, 2010 10:32 am

NAVY-itogezfine- Trust me, on the inside every year we’re going 16-0 and winning it all but I try to balance that with a dose of reality. I want us to go deep into the POffs but with this OLine..the Jag type teams won’t be there..or the 49ers or any other really bad team. Week in and week out it’s the best of the best and I pray we hold up with a bit of luck but I don’t set myself up too much. That way, when we do get to the SB…all the more reason to go bird crazy brothah!

phillywill
phillywill
September 29, 2010 10:33 am

and hobbs is less avg

WellWellWell
WellWellWell
September 29, 2010 10:34 am

I just thought G was keeping it a bit real and not over-blowing anything too much. A bit of a grounding is good sometimes compared to some other articles we find elsewhere.

WellWellWell
WellWellWell
September 29, 2010 10:37 am

Yeah..I think Hobbs can be suspect at times but not total garbiago! I’d like to see what this T. Lindley or J. Calvin can do. Play them a bit if we get up on the Skins..see what’s doin…

schiller
schiller
September 29, 2010 10:38 am

I have to go with scorp here when he said “I don’t think anyone is thinking superbowl just yet” – seriously, it’s week four. I haven’t heard anyone talk about the superbowl, and they shouldn’t be talking about that. G, maybe you heard a few over excited fans, but it’s hardly a trend or majority.

And yes, as someone pointed out above, you can find holes in ANY football team. G – or anyone else, can you show us the NFL team right now with 0 holes? Or even just a few?

This week is about Washington, and we’ll see what happens with that game. That’s it, that’s all that matters.

schiller
schiller
September 29, 2010 10:40 am

well – sure a bit of grounding is good, but G is claiming that the fans are talking superbowl… grounding is good, claiming the fans are talking superbowl when they really aren’t is not good…

EAGLE Co 32
EAGLE Co 32
September 29, 2010 10:40 am

Sorry but when you tell the world that you have been watching this guy since he was in college. You draft him with your first pick in the 2007 draft. You trade your franchise QB to a division rival. You give the guy a ten million dollar extention. You tell everyone who will listen that this guy can perform in this “west coast offense”. He is so accurate. He will get the ball out quicker.

Justice and Laws were not brought in to lead this franchise. I don’t know Kolb personally. He may be a great guy. I just don’t get why we can’t blast him and we had a QB here who took plenty of fire and accomplished much more. I don’t get that.

BTW when the smoke clears I still want Reid fired! Getting rid of McNabb was suppose to be the sign of change. Doesn’t this movie just repeat itself with a new starring role now!!!!!!!!

Paul Mancini
Paul Mancini
September 29, 2010 10:43 am

Scorp,
The key with having Hobbs playing a solid CB gets back to having a consistent Pass-Rush..
If Eagles can sustain a heavy Pass rush aginst the good QB’s & O/Lines,then Hobbs and the rest of the Secondary are a lot less likely to give up big plays down field since opposing QB’s won’t have the time,
Then again, you can say this same thing about every team, and every CB or Safety…

phillywill
phillywill
September 29, 2010 10:45 am

yes i’d like to see lindley as well
he looks a bit raw but seems promising

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
September 29, 2010 10:48 am

Philly will – and i cheered my butt off – remember Kotite had the team at what 7-2 and then made the mistake of mentioning his contract, and then the team just tanked…

Hey – I cheered Mike McCormike when the team was soo bad they couldn’t get sellouts and you had to listen on AM radio – What I miss most about not being in Philly is being able to turn off Joe Buck, Tony S and troy aikmen and watch the game listening to Merril Reese –

Hobbs is a solid CB – I think he is better then what Brown would have been. Give him a little help deep and this has the makings to be a decent defense –

Remeber the Eagles are traditionally slow starters that pick up steam as the year goes on –

schiller
schiller
September 29, 2010 10:53 am

navy, also remember that the one ‘giving hobbs a little help deep’ is Nate Allen. The kid has proven that he’s reliable back there, so I’m comfortable with Hobbs handing off to him deep if he must sometimes.

phillywill
phillywill
September 29, 2010 10:57 am

hey different strokes for different folks i hated kotite

schiller
schiller
September 29, 2010 10:59 am

Eagle co 32, How is this a movie repeating itself? Did Donovan have these weapons? Not until last year when we were too injury plagued to do anything. And it seems like the DL is better than it has been with Donovan.

And again, you seem to be closing the book on Kolb. The kid has still played less full games than Brandon Graham will have when we face the Falcons. He had a horrible first half v. Greenbay this year, a bad concussion, and (wait, I have to take a huge deep breath to spit out all the rest of his resume this year)…. oh nevermind, that’s it.

He played that horrible half against one of the best Ds in the league…. the man is still on the Eagles and very well may be called upon to fill in for Vick this year. He also might develop into a solid QB for us in the future. To say you know otherwise is false and ridiculous.

Paul Mancini
Paul Mancini
September 29, 2010 11:07 am

Paulman’s Top Playoff Contending teams in the NFC after Week #3

#1) Bears – (3-0 Record) 2-0 in Divisional play gives them a leg up,playing solid ball
#2) Falcons (2-1 Record) 1st team to beat the Defending SB Champs in New Orleans,only loss came in week #1 on the road versus the Steelers in aclose game
#3) NO Saints (2-1 Record) Suffered 1st Lost since last December, but have had to struggle every game so far this year which is what happens when you win the SB, You get everyon’s best shot…
#4) GB Packers (2-1 Record) Outplayed the Bears but did not put the game away, also did not put the game away versus the Eagles in week #1, O/L injuries adding up also…
#5) Seattle Seahawks (2-1 Record) playing in a weak divsion and won 2 games at home as underdogs versus 49ers and SD Chargers
#6) Philadelphia Eagles (2-1 Record) both wins against weak opponents but both wins on the road,
Vick has rejuvenated the entire offense,team,coaches and fans and is so far is the Story of the 2010 NFL Season
#7) Arizaon Cardinals (2-1 Record) both wins were last second wins versus Rams and Raiders in which they should have proabbly lost both games.. Offense is sputtering with Anderson at QB
#8) Tampa Bay (2-1 Record) started out 2-0 with wins versus the Browns & Panthers which are very bad teams, get humiliated in Hoime Opener by Charlie Batch led Steelers.. I do not expect the Bucs to finish above .500 but they will be improved

(Other Notable teams like the Cowboys,Redskins,Giants,Vikings,49ers all need to get to .500 before I list andwrite about them)

Hate to beat a dead horse, but my bigger point is that this NFC is Wide Open and even the supposed good teams (Cowboys,Vikings,Giants,49ers) all have issues and flaws as every team in the NFL does.. SO whay not the Eagles, If Vick can continue to play at the high level he’s been playing and the Def/Line can get after the godo opposing QB’s they will start facing, then they have as good as chance as anyone ….

phillywill
phillywill
September 29, 2010 11:07 am

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha to say u have any incling this will happen is ridiculous
the guys hasnt shown u anything
ur basing this off what u have read and what coaches say
certainly not by his performances
and if ur gonna do that might as well not say anything
i mean u have andy saying things like i dont know what will happen that far when asked of the trade deadline and kevin kolb. not kevin wont be traded he’s the starting qb of the future
when interviewed by peter king he didnt necessarily say the most encouraging things on behalf of kolb and this is andy reid a guys who say every1 is ok or good lol
all im saying is whatever book u wanna write hasnt been finished ok but there are some cliffs notes and those notes aint the best

phillywill
phillywill
September 29, 2010 11:12 am

i shouldnt have even responded i apologize the article is titled
“Don’t Put The Eagles In The Super Bowl, Just Yet”
i dont even know how a guy who is not even playing makes these post
no1 comes on here to talk about eldra buckley like i dont get it
some1 start defending eldra buckley then. since guys who dont even play get brought up in every post

Xevious
Xevious
September 29, 2010 11:15 am

More Kolb bashing…how Droll. As for the Superbowl talk…I dont see why looking at this conference it is totally out of the question. We still have a few games to get things working properly before we get our real tests. This is Philly so we will go overboard of course. That being said The talent is young but can get the experience needed to help when the games are on the line late this year. Superbowl isnt likely but the possibility is always there. I like the speculation lol.

WellWellWell
WellWellWell
September 29, 2010 11:25 am

I believe most if not all the pundits have Green Bay going to the big dance this year. I’m sure Indy fans and NE fans..even Baltimore have been talking February in Dallas.

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
September 29, 2010 11:27 am

Who is talking about the SB? Where do you get this stuff? The D was very suspect against the Lions in Week 2, and JaX is a bad team.

This is your 2nd Eagle bashing post of the week under the guise of “keeping it real.”

EAGLE Co 32
EAGLE Co 32
September 29, 2010 11:51 am

Schiller while I respect your opinion. Kolb has been in this system for 3 years. I hope that he can come in and win a couple of games. People are acting as if he is a rookie. Do you honestly believe that the only reason he is not playing is because of Vick? Maybe it’s false and ridiculous as you say. I’m just not impressed at all.
BTW to all the weapons we have now. Yes we have weapons! We had them last year. The trenches is what kills us. This DL that you speak of is too small to be effective in big games. Hey I hope you are right. Its just my opinion.

WellWellWell
WellWellWell
September 29, 2010 11:56 am

PW. I think EB could be a good RB. I don’t think 1 fumble should’ve put him back on the bench. He was fighting his ass off for those extra yards when he put the ball on the turf. Mike Bell can’t get 2 yards on 2 carries and he’s still the #2??? I remember..was it 2 years ago..Philly versus Dallas game 1…36 fumbeled when we were driving to go for the win…game over…And we still have 5 RB’s on the roster and only 4 WR’s…

schiller
schiller
September 29, 2010 12:02 pm

Eagle co 32, do you think without a MLB (we were down two deep most of last year), that it was really the trenches that killed us (maybe on the OL with Jackson going down)….

And yes, Kolb has been in the system for three years. Now can you tell me that if you polled every winning/successful/HOF/SB QB (how ever you want to classify them), along with coaches and QB coaches, do you think they’d tell you that being ‘in a system for three years’, without a full season of actual playing time is enough to get a guy ready to perform at a high level in the league? Or forget a full season, how about a half a season? Has Kolb had that yet? Nope.

Again, I’m not saying he’s going to succeed or even be slightly good. I’m saying it’s too freaking early to know. And he’s still the #2. Reid hasn’t closed the book on Kolb, believe me.

phillywill
phillywill
September 29, 2010 12:16 pm

well u know my feelings on mike bell

EAGLE Co 32
EAGLE Co 32
September 29, 2010 12:21 pm

Schiller, I guess I’m just looking at it from the perspective of we traded away a guy to replace him with this guy. Thank God we have Vick! Do you really believe anything that this FO sells? You say that Reid hasn’t closed the book on Kolb. I believe he has. It’s Ok we can agree to disagree. Hell I can be wrong! Kolb might turn out to be a Superbowl winning QB. Only time will tell.

phillywill
phillywill
September 29, 2010 12:24 pm

i dont think any1 knows if reid closed the book or not
all we can do is go by his clues

EAGLE Co 32
EAGLE Co 32
September 29, 2010 12:24 pm

BTW how many winning/successful/HOF/SB QB have ever been in a system 3 years and the coach gave up on them only after a half went on to be all of the above?

bsmvideos
September 29, 2010 1:25 pm

G. you are wasting your breath. The fans here are enjoying a couple of wins so let them. As I said the other day, you don’t wait until it rains to buy an umbella. This team can and will make it to the play-offs.

I am just thankful that Omar Gaither was deactivated. Cut him now and free up a roster spot. Too slow, and to soft. If the Patriots have an offensive lineman on their practice squad, the take him.

schiller
schiller
September 29, 2010 1:30 pm

Eagle co – who says that Reid ‘gave up on him’? Reid put Vick in as the starter because he was playing so well. He did demote Kolb to #2, that’s different from ‘giving up on him’. Remember, Reid benched McNabb for Kolb once, didn’t mean he gave up on McNabb, he started the rest of that season and the next…

chevron2105
chevron2105
September 29, 2010 2:02 pm

Good Article G,
I am not thinking Superbowl yet though. I just want the team to get past the Skins already..lol

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
September 29, 2010 2:06 pm

schiller, I agree but one can argue that Reid went back to McNabb because Kolb didn’t play well against Baltimore. Who knows what would have happened if he would have or somehow came out with a win. We weren’t down by a lot when McNabb got benched. Then there’s also the theory that Reid never wanted to bench McNabb in the first place. So I don’t think we can accurately compare Reid’s loyalty to McNabb and put in the same conversation as his loyalty to Kolb. Just my thought.