Last night I was co-hosting a panel of former Eagles greats: R0n Jaworski, Mike Quick, Brian Mitchell, Fred Barnett and Tra Thomas for an event which allowed Eagles fans to ask questions of the former Birds. It was an event for Chase Freedom cardholders and we were talking Eagles football.
All the major subjects which are swirling around the Eagles were discussed and the quarterback situation with Michael Vick and Kevin Kolb was chief amongst them.
I was surprised to hear Jaworski and Quick said they expect the Eagles to have both Vick and Kolb under contract and on the roster next season. The former Eagles quarterback and ESPN Monday Night football analyst, and the former Birds wide receiver and Eagles radio analyst also said they expect Kolb to get the chance to play again this season because of the way Vick plays the game.
They explained themselves by talking about the shots which Vick takes in each game. They don’t think he can’t absorb that pounding and stay healthy. It’s understandable that Vick could go down again. Therefore, they think Andy Reid will want to hang onto Kolb because Vick’s playing style makes him prone to injury.
I don’t agree with their thinking regarding the Birds hanging onto both Kolb and Vick. Jaws and Quick expect the Eagles to bring both of these guys back next season even though they don’t think Kolb will be happy about it. That’s the key, Kolb won’t be happy.
It’s a great luxury to have two starting-caliber quarterbacks.
Imagine that. Vick and Kolb on the roster again next season. I don’t expect both Vick and Kolb to be back because Kolb is going to be upset and I believe his desire to start will force him to demand to be traded.
Kolb could go elsewhere, start and make a boat load of money. I don’t think he will stay here as a backup.
Do you think the Eagles would agree to pay both of them?
Would they give Vick a huge contract and pay Kolb big money as well?
Wouldn’t Kolb demand to be traded in that type of situation? Would he agree to stay here in a backup role?
Again in my opinion, Kolb got a taste of starting and I think he will never be comfortable in the backup role again. He sees himself as a starter.
What do you think?
yep i was just saying this yesterday
its certainly possible
kolb’s been in 1 system 1 city with 1 coach he really doesnt want to leave
i know he has a chip on his shoulder right now and wants to stay to prove himself
i understand the other side of the fence to this situation too but im just saying its possible and a lot more likely to happen than many of us think
Until they get an agreement between the union and management and avoid a work stopage, the FO will not make an offer.
From a football standpoint, I would shop Kolb and re-sign Vick.
I have reservations about Vick, but want to believe that he has improved his work habits and that once he gets a big contract will not return to his former ways in Atlanta. I think that he has found a coaching staff that he respects and they work well together, so he will put in the effort needed to play at the top level we have seen over the first half of this season. I want to believe that he has matured since his days in Atlanta and will see the second chance that he has been given and not blow it. Only time will tell, but based on his play on the field, I say re-sign him and trade Kolb. You can sign an experienced back-up and let Kafka continue at #3.
Good question, wrong time to try to answer it. Too many variables in between now and when the decisions must be made. Let’s watch what the team does on the field for the rest of the season, then worry about all the other stuff.
Given Vick’s play on the field and the fact that this team might be headed for success this year with Vick, if he’s injured, we want Kolb as a backup, not Kafka. So that right there proves that it’s dumb to trade either away during this season. HENCE, forget about this question, it’s irrelevant to this season. And what’s the point of looking ahead before we know what the contract environment will be (CBA), IF there’s football next year, what the complete seasons will look like for both QBs after this year….
again, right question, wrong time.
Isn’t Kolb under contract? If so he doesn’t really have a say in the matter. He will definitely want to go somewhere and be a starter given that he’s proven he is better than a number of current QBs in the NFL. Vick is in a good situation and I would think he would want to remain in Philadelphia. He’s surrounded by a ton of talent and the defense should only get better. However, I’m not sure Vick’s financial issues will force him to take the most money he can get; which would be a big pay day if he were to test free agency.
I say lets lock Vick up now. We already know what he can do. Okay, your question might be this…”Lets see if he continues to play like this before we sign him.” No, because we already know what he can do. Injury or not, ANY quarterback in the NFL can get hurt…So that shouldn’t be an excuse to wait. They sure enough didn’t wait to see what Kolb could do before they gave his ass $12 million. So I say lets sign Vick now. Also put incentives on the contract. I’m pretty sure Mike wants as much money as possible, so upon achievement he will see even more money. Plus he will play even more harder if we give him what he wants now. Can you imagine this man playing any harder? Thats scary.
And as far as Mr.Baby-Arm is concerned, like I said before, lets ship his ass outta here after this season is over. We don’t need any more controversies here in Philly, plus we already know that Vick is the better QB. Trade Kolb to Cincinatti, Minnesota, or even Carolina or wherever else he seems fit. Because we have our QB here in Philly and thats Michael Dwayne Vick. With all due respect to Baby Arm, it wouldn’t be respectful to him to have him stay here any longer as a backup when he is capable of starting elsewhere.
How can this be an issue? You eithier trade Kolb and get probably get a 2nd round pick or you hold on to him and get nothing after next year. How can there even be a discussion about keeping Kolb?
If Vick stays healthy for the remainder of the season and plays at the level he has all season
(and there’s no reason to think that he won’t, in fact, I look for him to even play better), then he remains the #1 QB and becomes the face of the Franchise moving forward. (that’s if they sign VIck to a long-term deal which I believe will get done over the next few weeks or so)
Assuming that this occurs and Vick stays injury free and signs a long-term contract, then The Eagles will trade Kolb for some draft picks in return..Kolb will want to be a starter somewhere and knowing the Eagles FO/Coach AR, since Kolb has been the “Good Teammate”, they will obliged him and trade him to a team where he has an opportunity to start. He value is very high and he is well thought of around the NFL by most observors.. A team that is not rebuilding and close to playoff ready and who needs a QB to step in and play immediately would be the type of team intersted in Kolb…Teams like the Vikings,Cardinals,49ers,Seattle,Redskins,Bengals,Jags could all be looking at QB’s for next season. (Kolb hould be able to return a 3rd & 5th Rd Draft Pick in a trade and maybe a even high as a 2nd Rd pick)
I think the teams that are rebuilding with young QB’s already in place are happy where they are at with their young QB’s (Rams,Bills,Lions,Bucs,Browns) and would not be interested in acquiring Kolb
I also think that the Eagles were pleasantly surprised in rookie pick QB Kafka, who appears to have a picked up the offense pretty well and they (AR/MM) like his overall development, so I do think the
Eagles would feel comfortable with Kafka as a back-up to VIck in 2011 moving forward..
For Kolb, the Vikings,49ers and the Redskins would be very good fits and teams to go to
” With all due respect to Baby Arm,” …really Diz, what respect? You are pathetic. You don’t like Kolb because he doesn’t look like you. If he was black you wouldn’t make half of the insulting comments you have done over the past month. I’m sick of you bringing race into it, so I beat you to it. Shut up with your “Baby Arm”, homosexual comments about Kolb.
The competition that should have taken place in the pre-season has taken place over the 1st eight games of the season. Vick won, and the team plays better with him in the game, but your constant gratuitous bashing of the backup qb is way overboard. You continually go into graphic sexual discussions about Kolb, which leads me to think that you are a repressed homosexual who’s only avenue for release is to make anonymous postings regarding Kolb. I am tired of reading your shit.
Sure it’s possible but I don’t think it’s in the best interest of either player to do so. Obviously, they both feel they are starters and we know Vick is a starter. Kolb has waited many years to start and if Vick signs a contract for 3-5 years then he knows he will not be the starter as long as Vick is healthy. So then Kolb will not sign a contract beyond the 2011 season and I doubt the Eagles will let him walk for nothing. So it’s better for them to trade him and get a good draft pick or two than to have him walk in 2011. Also, there will always be some kind of QB controversy manufactured by the media as long as they both are here. Vick gets hurt for a game or 2, Kolb plays great and people are crying for Kolb to start. Or Vick struggles for a game or 2 and then everyone wants Kolb to start and the drama keeps going on. Just commit to one guy and have a QB who knows he’s a backup as the backup. Just my thoughts.
hey pman i dont know that his values is so high like u speak
or he is so well thought of around the league i think is he is thought of as how he is an avg qb
he has to go to a team with a terrible qb
like maybe 4 teams out there
of 7 performances 4 have been louzy
id like to keep him as a backup cause i believe he is a solid 1
but teams have to be crazy if they r ready to trade the farm for him
he’s a decent game manager can win u a agame or 2 sometimes if hot
can be brutally awful and equally lose u a game or 2
no1 is chomping at the bit for an incosistent qb
if they r more power to us then but i highly doubt it
id say he has slightly above avg value
but i just feel like if ur a putrid team with a terrible qb ud rather draft a qb then go with kolb just my personal belief
id rather locker luck or mallet personally
daggolden, I’m with you. If you extend Vick and keep Kolb then you’ll lose Kolb after 2011 and get nothing in return. Kolb is not signing another contract with Vick here. The best thing for the team for the next 3-5 years is to trade Kolb and use the pick(s) to get more quality players. Obviously, it would be good to have both of them from a short term view in case Vick gets hurt then Kolb can step in. But you lose him for nothing after 2011. Trade him, bring in a journeyman backup QB as the number 2 and let Kafka stay the 3 for another year and bump him up to 2 after the 2011 season.
YES! it will happen…. simple reason…. Birds overvalue. Everyone is saying… get a #2 rounder for kolb. Whos gunna give that up?? Maybe…MAYBE…. bottom of the 2nd round… MAYBE. Sorry kolb…. your a bird who is paid well…. enjoy holding FG balls.
only way we trade Kolb is if Kafka looks just as good.
Will the personal and system dictate who the QB should be? Having the type of receivers they have now, that are at their best when using their great speed to go long and strike quickly, they will need a big armed Vick . Until that O-line gets a lot better, they will need a Vick type OB. It seems they would need to change receivers to the big, strong possession type, and not go very long, playing the TRUE west coast offense for Klob. Klob seems to be at his best playing the short game and letting the receivers get RACs. He also will need a MUCH better line for more set-up time, incase he has to go a little long, (his arm does not seem to be that strong). Will the Eagles change personal to fit Klob or keep Vick who fits the personal they have?
Vick is a FA after this season, Eagles have to sign him first before we have really any idea as to what is going to happen…Depending on the type of contract they give him, I think that will answer the question! Kafka will be a good back up next season!
id agree with ur 3rd and 5th round assesment or possibly a 2nd rounder but dont u think a team would rather draft a qb or u still think they’d rather trade for kolb ?
hahaha stevo enjoy holding fg balls lolol
I agree with totally w/Pwill in fact I was writing something very similiar to his post…Kolb is a backup QB capable of holding the fort and not letting things spiral out of control while a starter comes back off of injury…
schill, I agree. With the potential lock out next year all but reality signing players in their contract years doesn’t make too much sense to owners. Sure, we as fans want the players that are playing good right now to get locked up long term and we think that these NFL owners just got piles of money they sleep on but we as fans don’t fully understand the complexities of contract negotiations, extensions, etc. I think the Eagles will try and lock Vick up for a few years, when will it happen? I don’t know, will Vick even want to stay here? I don’t know. And how will it turn out with Kolb? Only time will tell.
To PW,
A 3rd Round and a 5th Round is a fair return for Kolb and very much in line I believe..
Maybe the 3rd Rd is 2011 and the 5th in 2012 to spread it out, but 2 Draft picks I think Kolb can fetch..
A 2nd Round in return I think would be a stretch and probably pushing it, unless a team were desperate like the Vikings/Cardinals/49ers/Redskins who all just might be after the Season..
no i agree i think that is about fair
i was saying hypothtetically speaking would a team rather trade for kolb or draft their own rook
i mean essentially kolb still has a learning curve and it seems like a nice qb draft
Pman / PW…that sound like fair market value for Kolb. Obviously we can’t get too far with trade talk without locking up Vick. Does it make sense to franchise tag him? Pman, what would the top five contract value be? In have heard $15 million per year would be a range, for say 4-5 years that Vick would be looking.
I think a playoff type of team that is experienced and needs a QB to make a playoff run would be the
type of team interested… The Vikings,49ers/Redksins/Cardinals are probably not in postion to draft a
young QB and wait 2-3 years to develpo, these teams have high payrolls, veteren players and verteran Coaches who are under pressure to win this season and next..Their Coaches and GM’s will be most aggressive if their teams don’t make the playoffs this year to get their QB set for 2011
#1) Vikings-Farve will retire and most likely, Childress will get fired
#2) 49ers – Alex Smith is not the answer, too much talent of offense with highly paid players,they need a QB who can play consistently and spread the ball around.. (Kolb would be a very good fit)
#3) Cardinals – Coming of some good,playoff years with Warner, have great WR’s and no one to get the ball to them. Anderson is not the answer, will probably go after McNabb who will be free-agent
#4) Redskins – McNabb experiment did not work, he leaves for Arizona as free-agent and Redskins are back where they were last year, no real QB adn we all know how Shannahan likes to have 2-3-4 of them
Only a fool would trade away insurance for cash.
And PM and PW – where do you get the idea that you can estimate trade value? You’re just pulling that stuff out of your arses. Hopefully you’re enjoying yourselves, but your wasting your time. Trade value is subjective and entirely reliant on feelings of the teams involved and many other factors that only those teams know. You two are WAY too far removed from the teams to have a good gauge on any of that stuff at all. Why don’t you see that?
To GreenFan,
I am not a fan of Franchising players and I don’t think the Eagle are either,
It seems like it always leads to an acrimonius relationship between the player and the club
I think the Eagles will offer a 4 year (5th year as an option) in the $60-$70 million range with about $15-$20 million in Guaranteed $$$ paid up front as signing,roster bonus..
Now with no CBA in place this year, the Eagles may have to think about a “Franchise Tag” which
would take the “Average” of the 5 Highest Paid QB in the NFL and use that Figure as his 2011 Salary..( I think QB’s Brady,Peyton & Eli,Farve,Romo,Brees,Rivers,McNabb) are probably the highest Paid QB’s in the NFL for 2010
I don’t think Vick is worth the money that would entail putting the franchise tag on him and I assume someone will put an offer on the table that will be much greater than the eagles are willing to offer. Vick will probably be a Vikiing next year.
Hi Hater!
Lets go Vick, Lets go Eagles!
BigBoss / Pman, I am not sold on the Vikings getting him. Chances are they will have a new head coach and a new system. I believe that if the Eagles are serious about re-signing him, they will make an offer in the $60-70 million range over 4 years. Vick may only want to see what he can make on the open market, at which point I think the birds will be outbid. He does have alot of past bankruptcy obligations to take care of, so as they say, “Cash will be king”.
Big Boss, usually is situtations like this, if the Eagles want to resign him it will be done before the season ends that way there is no opportunity for another team to offer more money. I’d imagine that if Vick stays healthy and leads to a playoff birth, he is guaranteed to be offered and extension and I think Vick loves it here in Philly and he loves andy, because Andy believe in him when no one else did and had enough faith in him to make him the starter. So as long as he’s the starter, I would be inclined to believe that Philly is where he wants to be and as long as his plays as well as he is, there’s no way the Eagles will let him hit he FA market.
because that’s what I do Schiller…
I’ve learned and study trade value-trends by position,by age, by need and other techniques.
Learned about Teams and GM’s Tendancies, the impact of the Time of year when best to make a trade, etc,etc….
Do you think, I just throw stuff out there and hope it sticks… C’mon Man, this my passion..
I hear you scorpiodsu, however Green fan in right. Cash will be King. Vick lost a boat load of cash, plus still owes money. All that coupled with the fact that he is not all that young of a guy, i think he looks to test the market. Kudos to the birds if they can get the contract done before Vick becomes a FA, but i got the feeling some team will make Vick one of the top paid QB’s again. For all that is said poorly of Vick, one thing should be noted that there are people who like Vick and people who really like Vick. The latter will break the bank.
I don’t think Vick is looking to test the market. I think he likes the situation here and he will get paid. I think he’s found from the past that having the most money isn’t always as golden as it seems. With the weapons and coaching he has here and him being a starter in the league again, I think he’s content and will get a nice contract. Just my opinion.
schill i been seeing alot of things u dont see since offseason maybe u should open ur eyes
he is obviously worth about a 3rd rounder
dont take a rocket scientist to see that
but im forgetting who im talkn too
u dont see anything before it happens lol
yes we r just guessing again and i think we have a pretty fair estimate this time as well as a couple other times in the past
yea pman do what u do u dont have 2 explain to schill
scorp hope it works out that way, just not convinced either party will make the move. I really think that the lack of a CBA will keep the bird FO from making ANY move.
Nope. It is Kolb or Vick, not both. Kolb wants to start, can start elsewhere.
green, I hear you but I don’t think this will have anything to do with the CBA of lack thereof. I think they will know by next month if they want to keep him and they will do whatever they need to do to keep him. This isn’t signing a WR or RB without a CBA. This is the most important position of your team. And starting Vick now and letting Kolb ride the bench would be meaningless if you didn’t intend on maknig Vick the QB going forward. Again, just my thoughts. And there’s still a lot of football to be played before those decisions are made anyway.
yeah scorp, hopefully alot of wins and the decision becomes the ultimate no-brainer
maybe the Eagles are all in this year. Vick is there best chance now. If no deep run into postseason, they may let the free agency play out, say Vick is too expensive, we made him a great offer, and turn it back to Kolb
I have sat back long enough…Listen folks
This Eagles organization wanted Vick all along. They knew the media would give them a pass on the mcnabb trade if they publicly commited to Kolb, therefore using Kolb to get good press opposed to getting blasted by announcing a open competition for a position once held by the best QB to ever wear green..It was a win win. If Kolb succeeds all is well…if he’s inconsistent they could now go to the better player without the harsh PR hit. Now, that Vick is the hottest QB in the league respected on a national level showing he’s actually better than the Vick who led average Atlanta teams to multiple playoffs …..The Eagles will commit long term to Vick.
Kolb is a class guy but an average system quarterback at best. The Eagles did not take the PR hit signing Vick to let him walk next offseason. Kolb is not better than Jay Cutler or Matt Cassel and if they can be traded so can Kolb. Kolb has done absolutely nothing in this league to warrant a defense up against a proven pro bowler that’s feared around the league in Vick and to a degree it’s insulting to even have this conversation. It’s like arguing who should start between Michael Jordan and Steve Kerr.
Look we are fortunate to have a better option at QB in Vick after years of high Caliber play at the QB position, when some teams go years before finding one servicable QB. We shouldn’t have to choose between a proven superstar and a guy that may or may not make it in the league going forward. The Eagles brass have turned up on the right side of this thing and will not let Vick go now.
Kolb in Minnesota….book it
Songs- one thing you left out that shoots down your therory. Why pay Kolb $12 million if you really wanted Vick all along?
Greenfan, you racist motherfucker. I’ll fuck you up if I ever see your bitch ass. You are a pussy that talks shit over the internet like your tough. If you saw me, trust me, you wouldn’t do shit.
1st of all, I didnt bring race into it. But since we’re on it, why do white people always get offended about race? What did your ancestors go thru? Did your family have to go thru a civil rights movement? Are you judged and treated differently because of your skin color? Are you held in a class of a certain stereotype? The answer to all the above is NO you dickfaced bitch. So quit with the bullshit and trying to sound like you know what you’re talking about. Michael Vick being black has nothing to do with me supporting him and being in his corner and for you to assume that, thats what Im talking about, prejudice stereotypical motherfucker. Mike Vick is better than Kevin Kolb. Yes Kevin Kolb has a baby arm. No Kevin Kolb has not thrown a ball that was in the air for more than 35 yards! So everything I said was true. Kevin Kolb is not very good. He is just a backup and because your favorite QB isn’t starting, I can see why you are mad! LOL.
But you can say what you want Greenfan…because Michael Vick is the starter and I LOVE IT lol and deep down inside, you are pissed. You are fuming. You are mad as shit. LOL. Well guess what bitch, most of the team consist of black players that feel the same exact way that I feel. I dont have a racist bone in my body, in fact, I have white family members and cousins that are biracial so how can I be biased to color? You just are a stupid, ignorant individual that wishes the Philadelphia Eagles were an all-white team. Sorry buddy LOL.
Paul you keep talking if Vick stays healthy if Vick plays at a high level? Ive never once heard you say if Kolb plays at a high level. What does Vick have to do walk on water for the rest of the year. Hes the most feared offense weaspon in the NFL and has exploded on the scene. What else must he do? You keep talking about wait and see. Thats laughable. If you were the GM and I was Vick and I heard you say I have to continue this to be worthy of being signed I would laugh in your face and tell you this. You dont have to sign me now, If you dont sign me now I will test FA. How about that. Your playing with a bonafide SUPERSTAR, FRANCHISE PLAYER, GAME CHANGER.
Sorry to EVERYBODY ELSE in HERE. I didnt want to take it there, but this faggot ass bitch got me heated with the ignorant shit he said so I had to. But I just want to apologize to everyone else on here. I meant no disrespect to you.
did something strike a nerve. go back in the closet and turn off your laptop
Just to throw a monkey-wrench in on the topic (which comes naturally)
There is a lot of scuttlebut going around that the Browns President Mike Holmgrem really likes Marty Mohnerwig to become the next Cleveland Brown coach..We all know that GM Heckert and M Holmgrem also both think highly of QB Kolb… It will be interesting where current Coach Mangini has the Browns playing a very physical style of football and are playing pretty well considering they don’t have a lot of talent on their team and have had their share of injuries too… If the Browns continue to play well and win some games, Holmgrem may have a tough time in firing Mangini even though they have very distint ways if building and running an Offense..
I believe the Browns and Vikings Franchises will be the key on what happens to Kolb..
I think B Childress gets fired and replacef by Def/Coordinator Leslie Fraizer who is overdue in getting a Head Coaching position.. what kind of offense does he favor,who would be the Offensive Coordinator, it’s hard to tell… but watch how these 2 teams finish their seasons and they very well be in the mix for a QB change come 2011
GreenFAN guess what? You’re gonna have to keep reading my shit cuz I aint goin nowhere LOL
And my assessment about Kolb is how I honestly feel. Hate it if you want to. But the man does not impress me and I think he is a true backup. So kick rocks faggot! lol
Kolb a 3rd and 5th? No way. He was a 2nd round pick and his stock has risen. There are 10-12 teams in despearte needs of a franchise qb. He definetly IMO would get a 2nd and a 4th. Or swap 1st round picks and a 3rd. Kolbs value is very high. Also not a team picking in the top 10 but a team outside of the top 10 like a Minnesota or possible Arizona etc giving up theire # 1 pick.
Yeah ….SONGSRME2 says:
I have sat back long enough