Eagles President Joe Banner must not have liked the way his Tuesday interviews with the media were being portrayed, so he’s interjected more of a positive perspective to the football team and more specifically his football coach Andy Reid. Don’t get me wrong Banner had praised Reid yesterday, but he hadn’t come across nearly as strong as he did today.
“Sometimes its baffling he hasn’t won a Super bowl, multiple Super Bowls,” Banner told Howard Eskin and Ike Reese on 610-WIP this afternoon. “I’m very confident he’s very capable of winning multiple Super Bowls. I’m shocked it hasn’t happened.”
Banner made a favorable comparison between his head coach to Washington’s head man, Mike Shanahan who just happens to have won two Super Bowl titles back in the late 1990’s.
“A year ago, everyone was saying ‘Mike Shanahan, he’s won two Super Bowls,”‘ Banner said. “Well, now he’s down in Washington. And if you could trade Andy Reid for Mike Shanahan, I don’t know anybody that wouldn’t keep Andy Reid.”
I know Shanahan won’t be thrilled to read these comments, but if the Redskins coach really wants to get mad all he has to do is look at a video of the Monday night game they played this past season against the Birds.
LOL, I like that comment. I hope Shanahan takes offense to it. I wouldn’t be so sure that people on here wouldn’t do it though. There are people on here that want to get rid of Reid and get Fisher or Gruden. They are both worse than Shanahan.
This is nothing more than the Eagles front office once again covering up or trying to distract everyone from the truth. The closer we get to the end of AR’s contract ending the more the eagles will say they believe in AR but the truth is AR’s had 12 years to win a SB and it hasn’t happened nor will it ever happen under AR. By now, what do you expect banner to say ?? Lets see how much confidence Banner has in AR after the Eagles get knocked out of the tournament again.
‘nor will it ever happen under AR’ – B U L L BULL
You can’t back that up as anything but a guess and/or opinion.
Period
schiller an opinion doesn’t need back up. It’s simply how someone views something based on what they believe. Just like it would be bull to say Andy can win one. There’s nothing to back that up either. You are too hell bent on trying to quiet a person’s opinions. If you don’t like people to express their opinions then you should problem stop coming to a site dedicated to fans expressing their opinions. And while there’s nothing to “back up” that the Eagles can’t win with Reid, there’s certainly a lot more proof that shows he can’t get it done than proof that he can…. 12 years to be exact.
How about 12 years of “guilty verdicts” schill is that enough or is that guess or opinion, you are the perfect sheep fan banner attempted to lure back to the Shepard of futility, haha, or more like bahaaaaaaaaaaa
There is no proof that he can’t get it done or that he can, so there is nothing that shows “more proof”. Unless you can predict the future than everything you say is your opinion and opinions aren’t fact.
Reid will win a Super Bowl in Philly……..when pigs fly. 12 years of the same act is way old. Same flaws year after year, wasted time outs, bad clock management, no ability to adapt or react to what’s happening during the game. The same story after every painful playoff loss – “I have to put the players in a better position to win”. I could go on indefinitely. If there’s a 2011 season, it’ll be the same overplayed song. BAAAAAAAAAA
scorp, sorry I bother you. I’m not trying to quiet people’s opinions. He didn’t state it like an opinion at all though. That’s why I called it one. When you just make a statement, it’s not an”m not trying to single out talongrip, he’s not the only one to have made that statement….
Sports bum, people make millions, and billion dollars are spent on predicting outcomes on empirical data of consistent patterns, whether it be the weather, outcomes on medical procedures, legal matters, whatever the endeavor, and there is ample history with Reid, banner, lurie from which a very sound, rational, believable prediction can be based that they will never win a superbowl, but you and others choose to ignore the history before you, go ahead, join Linus in the pumpkin patch, maybe next year he will really come
wow, total typo. It’s supposed to be
‘it’s not an “in my opinion”, “I think”, “I say”, “if you ask me”, “to me”, etc……
jakedog, interesting points. But how does a logical, sensible empirical analysis of predictability in the NFL work out? Hunh? Not too well. Disagree? Got backup?
I say empirically, the NFL is for the most part, very hard for humans to predict. That’s been shown again and again.
Maybe tough to predict who will win next year, but not too difficult to predict who will not
nice mr. D, a good baaaaaaaa back to you
Hey Scorpiodsu thanks for having my back but I dont need any help with this schiller clown….we are all entitled to our opinions and I dont need justification from some bum…I’m not here to please you schiller and personally I dont give !@#$ what you think about my comment.
man, has there ever been a better propaganda machine for the eagles, Lurie, banner, than Howard eskin, pure fascist role of radio in a fascist football organization
It is easier to predict who won’t because the odds are that 31/32 chance of being right. That isn’t predicting, that is odds making. Odds isn’t always right. You can say the odds are that Reid won’t win a SB, and that technically can be a correct statement, but you can’t say for certain that he will never win one. You are an idiot if you think that way. Shows how simple minded you are. It also shows that you would be the fool who falls for psychics.
By the way. Great job knowing what sound a sheep makes. Do you have your see n’ say in front of you? Can you tell me what sound a cow makes? How about a dog?
Although I wouldn’t expect Banner to say anything else, in fact he says they do everything possible to win ( Mark Simineau, Nate Wayne, Dehani Jones, yeah right !!), it is not shocking at all that Reid hasn’t won. He tries to defy all the proven ways to win championships,a tough physical defense with a team that can run the ball when needed, AND ACTUALLY RUNS THE BALL!! Sure anything is possible but he is obviously failing by going against what has been proven over time.
Hey Sportsbum are you talking to me??? If you are meet me at spruce and walnut st and we can discuss this like real men face to face you dig.
LOL, okay tough guy.
Ok, let’s play the odds, the odds are that Reid will not win a superbowl next year, what is your point, the odds are against it, history against it, rational thought against it, all of which leads a very rational person to opine that the eagles will not win a superbowl next year, and unless significant changes occur, nor will he ever win a superbowl, and I know what sound a sheep makes by reading your posts, baaaaaa
Well, you got the 1st part right, then decided to go downhill from there. Too bad you can’t help yourself from using absolute statements without absolute knowledge.
sports, let me amend my earlier post about propaganda machine, you are right up there with Howard Eskin, are you related to Lurie? Are you one of Banners’ children, do you make films with Lurie’s wife, or just victim of the brainwashing?
Reid doesn’t have the ability to change his scheme.
I think this is his last year unless he wins it.
Personally i would like a change in philosophy.
Question is who??
LOL, I love how if anyone agrees with Reid or talks good about him or the FO that they are considered sheep, drinking the kool-aid, somehow related to them, brainwashed or part of the propaganda machine.
Do you know what a propaganda is?
News flash for ya buddy, I don’t need to influence anyone. Reid is Head Coach, the FO supports Reid, and the Eagles do sell out every game, so obviously there is enough people that support them. If anyone is part of a propaganda machine, it is you buddy.
See, I don’t see it as that though. I see you more as a Cowboys fan, not an Eagles fan trying to persuade people to hate on the Eagles. In a sense, all of our hated rivals are part of the propaganda machine, because they are always trying to hate on the Eagles and get people to hate us. That is why I believe that you are really just a Cowboys fan. Nice job trolling a Philly/Eagles site. Go back to Cowboy land where you can talk about finishing tied with the Redskins for last place in the East.
Yeah and Andy Reid said…
“McNabb will be my Quarterback next year”
“McDermott will be back nex year”
In the history of the NFL nothing is more dangerous than the dreaded
“Vote of Confidence”
Fisher? he went longer than AR w/o a SB and has a worse winning percentage! Gruden, went his last like 3-4 years w/o making playoffs. you have to be kidding.
jake, you’re the one who’s brainwashed. You clearly listen to talk radio a lot – hence the brainwashing.
And to put Sportsbum’s point in a different light, you’re probably either a republican or democrat right? So either way, if someone disagrees with you, or has a different political perspective, does that mean that they’re related to Obama or Bush (depending on which you are)? You see how ridiculous that is?
There is no Spruce and Walnut street intersection, Talongrip. They run parallel to each other. LOL
Personally, I’m not just basing my opinion that Reid won’t win a Super Bowl next year entirely on the past 12 years (even though that has a lot to do with it). But I also consider the poor defensive drafting, all the holes on defense, inexperienced defensive coordinator, the questionable game and clock management, sketchy pass happy play calling, no consistent running game and very inconsistent offensive line. It’s not just about the 12 years. Just looking at the team right now. A lot has to be done and improved from now until the season (if there is one) to say we legitimately have a shot.
Sure, things happen in the NFL and the teams that are supposed to be good sometimes aren’t and vice versa. It’s very unpredictable. But at the same time, I cannot ignore all the things I listed and say, “we have a real chance at winning the Super Bowl”. In the offseason everyone has a chance (some better than others) but a chance. A lot has to be done for us and every other team but I don’t care about everyone else. I’m looking at our roster, our coach and I can always see us being competitive under Reid but that’s I think for the next season. Now that’s just my opinion. No proof and none needed. Just my opinion based on the current state of the team + the past 12 years of the same thing. So you’ll have to forgive me if I don’t feel all warm and fuzzy about Andrew Reid’s chances of winning a Super Bowl.
Bottom line is Andy Reid is a good coach, not a great coach. There is a difference. He is good at getting us 10 wins on a consistent basis with playoff appearances but that is it. Schiller, I guess content with just getting to the playoffs almost every year and that’s it. It’s all about the bowl dude. Most coaches who win superbowls get it done within 5 years, Andy has been here going on 13 years and still no rings. It’s the same mistakes and the same flaws year in and year out with Andy whether it’s ignoring the running game, using timeouts unwisely, and not bringing in the right personnel at times. They have this obession with undersized, light, fast defensive players and it’s been proven that it’s not very effective. I’m all for speed but we need physical, intimidating players on defense (see the steelers). Who on our defense really scares you if you are an opponent? The fact is Andy Reid is good at getting the team not to ever quit and get those 10 wins per year but that’s pretty much it. All we hear from Joe Banner is how they got to 5 NFC Championship Games in 11 years….well ok….they lost 4 of them!….and we were favored in most of those games. I have my doubts Andy Reid will ever win a superbowl here. I’m hope I’m wrong but I’m just not seeing it at this point. If you need proof then see the last 12 seasons.
Scorp – that’s all good. You’re opinion is yours. I didn’t take issue with you, I took issue with others stating their opinions as if they are facts.
Steve. I’m not completely content. I want a SB I do. But I DO think that SB’s are more elusive than many Eagles fans think, and they are more up to chance/complicated factors and less up to who’s the coach than many Eagles fans think. AND I think they are slightly overrated. Nobody can argue against the fact that a SB championship is the main goal for any team. BUT I think they are overrated a bit. Look at Washington, Dallas, even NY right now. All have more SBs than the Eagles. I don’t think any fans of those teams are more content with their teams right now than any Eagles fan is. I really really dont. I don’t think Steelers fans are any happier right now because they have the previous SBs. I think all that matters (SB wise), is the most recent and/or current season. Greenbay fans are happy now, and they should be. Everyone else, isn’t, except for those who see next year as an open season – like me.
stevennj, and the thing is Andy has coached under the same constraints as the other coaches who get it done faster. Whether they were hired into a good situation like Mike Tomlin or started out very bad like Mike McCarthy, the still won. I think Andy is a very good coach. And I’m sure many of us would say he’s better than most of the coaches in the league. But there are coaches who have won Super Bowls who we don’t think is a very good coach or better than Reid. So what does that say? You don’t necessarily have to be the greatest coach to win. So for the people who say things like “who are we going to hire that is better”. The truth is you many not need a guy that is necessarily better in the way we look at coaches. Sometimes you just need a new guy, a different mindset, a different system who can take the same players and have them perform better or differently and has a different outlook on how to win in the NFL. That guy doesn’t have to be considered a better coach than Reid but that surely doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be able to win it either.
Hey, like I said, Andy is a very good coach and I appreciate everything he’s done but I’m just tired of him. I’m sorry but I think that’s feasible after 12 years (when in sports it’s very unlikely for a guy to coach as long without winning a championship) some are tired of hearing “I’ve gotta do a better job” while signing guys like Chad Hall and all the torn ACL guys to play significant role.
We’re cool schiller. I don’t think many people try to put their opinions as fact. I don’t think everyone has to preface their statements with “this is just my opinion” or “this is what I think” for us to know they are making an opinionated statement and nothing something to be taken as fact. But hey, that’s just me I know I never take anyone here as passing their opinions off as fact.
I’m confident that Reid could win multiple Wing Bowls and that Banner is a great
BS artist.
BigE, would you be able to link the current Eagles coach to either the topics of food, weight, or obesity?
I’m curious if you can do this because of 3 reasons. 1, it’s never been done before by you. 2, it’s never been done by anyone else. and 3, because it is interesting and relevant to football.
Please get back to me on this one.
Thanks
I still think it gets down to having playmakers and the Eagles simply don’t have enough of them on the Defensive side of the ball and especailly at the DE/LB
positions..CB Samuel is probably the only playmaker on Eagles Defense
Packers have Woodson,Matthews JR, AJ Hawk, both CB’s Williams & Shields,
along the DL they have Raji and Jenkins
Steelers have LB’s Harrison,Woodley,Safety Paloumalo
Jet’s have LB D Harris, C Pace, CB Revis & Cromartie
Bears have DE Peppers, LB’s Briggs, Urlacher, CB Tillman and Safety Harris
Ravens have DT Ngata, LB’s Suggs,Lewis, Safety Reed
Look at all the teams who are average and see how many playmakers they have on defense and similar to the Eagels, they don’t have many..
Cowboys have DE Ware and that’s about it
Redskins have DE Orapko, CB D Hall and Safety Landry
Falcons have DE Abraham and that’s about it
Saints have LB Vilma, Safety R Harper and that’s about it
Patriots have lots of yong players on LB Mayo, CB McCourtey, Safety Chung
Colts have DE Freeney & Mathis and thats about it since Safety Sander’s is always hurt)
Bottom line, is to win a SUper Bowl, the Defense has to have some playmakers thought the Defense .. Along the Line at the LB level and of couse in the Secondary and simply put, the Eagles Have Samuel and that’s it and that’s not going to get it done…
It’s not a given that the 2011 Eagles will even make the playoffs let alone be a Super Bowl Contender..
The Packers,Bears,Falcons,Saints,Giants will all be back and probably better
The Tampa Bay Bucs,Vikings,Cowboys, 49ers,Seahawks will all be in the hunt,
The Eagles will have to improve and not stay status quo if they want to make the playoffs
No steelers fan, nor redskins, giants, cowboys fan would trade lots with us long suffering eagles fans, and schill the steelers fans love their franchise, respect the ownership, have a quality, truthful head coach, for you to compare the steelers organization to the eagles, like that half pint Banner did, is shameful
This is the BOTTOM LINE, period!
The Eagles are one of the most successful NFL organizations in the NFL over the last 12 seasons! Period!
Yes, I’d take having successful seasons, as opposed to being a team in the cellar all day every day!
For anyone that says different you are lying!
There is no guarantee of who will win the next SB…People were writing the Packers off mid way thru the season…
For those of you guys that work a nine to five…does your company have performance evaluations..(where they rate you on if you do your job) if you meet their expectations or exceed their expectations?
What do you think Reids grade for 2010 was? This team was supposed to be in rebuilding mode remember? then over night, with just one move they become SB contenders….Reid and the Eagles exceeded expectations this season, quite simply that is Real Talk!
jake, I didn’t compare the organizations at all. I didn’t. I compared the current collective emotional state of the fanbases.
See below article for just one example (and I’m not saying that this alone backs up my point at all)
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/17/pittsburgh-teen-blames-steelers-for-shot-fired-after-super-bowl/
real, rebuilding mode according to who? Not according to the Eagles. From all reports Kolb was supposed to take this offense to levels that McNabb could never do. So don’t give us that crap. And you’re right we have been one of the most successful organizations over the last 12 years but what exactly does that mean? Do you honestly think the alternative to Andy Reid means we have to be a terrible team? It’s quite possible that we can still be good with another coach especially with the offensive talent we have. So for anyone to think it’s Reid or basement of the league is ridiculous. And that’s real talk.
We are the Utah Jazz of the NFL and Reid is Sloan. Except the Jazz have tougher athletes than what we have.
@Scorp, LOL – being the Utah Jazz aint that bad….lets not forget that Jerry Sloan made it to the big show two seasons, and had to go against who? the best ball player to lace up the kicks? both seasons….I dont care if you were Phil Jackson or Red Aurbach coaching the Jazz, you weren’t winning that championship…
The fact is we are one of the most succesful teams in the NFL under Reid…for anyone to think that without Reid we win a SB, that is ridicolous as well? right or wrong? whats not fact is how we’d be in this time without him…
Reid and eagles got extended pass on wining super bowl because fo a long time they were the only ticket in town to give us hope for a championship but
We now have one in baseball, been back again to a championship series, almost went back last year and the baseball team is poised for more runs at championships so
Real, it is no longer sufficient to be good every year, to compete without the demand, an expectation for a championship, it is time to move on, give someone else the chance, Reid had his chance, time is up
Lets get rid of Reid for the same type of success we’ve enjoyed for the last 12 seasons….what would be the point of that?
obviously those that want Reid gone, expect to win the SB that year or shortly after….correct? if not then why let go of Reid?
There is way to many of you cats saying you’re tired of Reid, this and that….ok, so who do you want to take over for him? that is the question?
Real, ha, and if you’re going to point out that Sloan lost the titles to Jordan, I think it’s necessary (ONCE AGAIN) to point out that Reid lost the SB to a cheating team. Donovan’s performance or lack there of aside, the pats were prepared everytime our D blitzed, and that’s precisely what they were accused of doing – knowing the other team’s D signals from taping them.
It’s funny to me that if Coach AR/MM are such great QB Coaches and Offensive geniuses, then how could they have missed so bad on naming
Kolb as the # Starter when the had Vick sitting on the SIdelines..
This entire team and in particular Coach AR & MM simply lucked out and caught lightning in a bottle with Vick.. If not, they would have been looking
at 5-6-7 Wins at most with Kolb as the #1.. What I am concerned about now is that I don’t think VIck can duplicate what he did mid-season for any long periods of time and will play more like he did at the end of the season which was great at times,good on others and sometimes not good.. The last month of the Season as the rest of the League & Defensive Coordinators caught up with him and the lousy predicatable play-calling of the Eagles really showed what this Eagle team is.Which is a little better than average, it’s what they are in my opinion..
“The fact is we are one of the most succesful teams in the NFL under Reid…for anyone to think that without Reid we win a SB, that is ridicolous as well? right or wrong?”
No that’s not ridiculous. To me it’s just doesn’t make sense to act like there could never be any success after Andy Reid. That’s just dumb. Just like some will point out that we don’t know if we can win one with Reid we don’t know if we can win one without him either. But many are willing to find out and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with feeling like that just like it’s nothing wrong with feeling that we should keep him around as long as possible. Both feelings are valid and possess good arguments. Doesn’t make either right nor wrong.
Realtalk yeah they lost to the Bulls twice. Out of 22 years he only made it there twice. So you can think that’s good but I certainly don’t and I’m sure many Utah fans felt the same way about him as many feel like Reid. Some probably wanted him gone a while ago and other keep hanging on to playoff appearances as a reason to keep him.
Real do you really think that just because Reid has had marginal success of the last 12 years that all fans should automatically want him as the coach for the next 12 years? Seriously? Do you really think that when Andy Reid is gone that will be the demise of the Eagles forever? Come on now. That’s not talking like a fan that’s talking like an Andy Reid fan. Anyone that thinks winning stops with Andy Reid is being ridiculous. We’ve seen Super Bowl coaches get fired. Surely you can’t fire a super bowl coach and expect to win. So why to owners do it then? Because it doesn’t make sense. It’s not about what you did for me 5 years ago. What can you do for me now. Period.