The Eagles offense stayed up with the Broncos offense for most of the first half, in fact the score was 14-13 at one point in the first half. They even had the chance to take a lead, but were tripped up by the same mistakes which have kept them out of the end zone numerous times in the first four games of the season.
The Birds offense really went south at the start of second half when Peyton Manning and the Denver offense stepped on the gas. The Birds couldn’t keep up with them.
“We really needed that first drive of the half to keep us in this thing, and we didn’t do it offensively,” Chip Kelly said. “If we could sustain and score and get a stop somewhere, we could have stayed in the game, but we didn’t.”
I knew they were in trouble in the first half, when Brent Celek dropped a third down pass from Michael Vick that was right in his hands on the five or six yard line. It would have given the Birds a first down and a chance to put the ball in the end zone. Instead they settled for a field goal and we all knew they were in trouble.
Vick had to hold onto the ball quite a bit yesterday because his receivers were being blanketed in the man-to-man coverages. Like the Chargers and the Chief, the Broncos played mostly man-to-man coverages against the Eagles and the Birds didn’t have much of an answer.
Vick completed only 14 passes out of 27 attempts for 248 yards with no touchdowns and no interceptions. I did like the fact that Vick refused to throw the football up for grabs and turn the ball over. He wound up pulling the ball down and doing what he could do with his legs. Vick ran eight times for 41 yards. The performance didn’t look like much, but it showed discipline on Vick’s part to not turn the ball over.
Denver defensive coordinator Jack Del Rio was able to take away DeSean Jackson by putting former Eagle cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie on him. Jackson was limited to only two catches for 34 yards for the day. The Broncos didn’t even need to occupy a safety by keeping one of them on top of Jackson. DRC was able to do that by himself. The cornerback was credited with two broken up passes on the day.
I really didn’t like the fact that Jackson left the game near the end with a problem with his heal. A team leader battles through the entire game until there is no time left on the clock. When you are a leader, you are supposed to set a good example. Jackson should have stayed out there and finished what he started, even if it was going well.
Eagles star running back LeSean McCoy had trouble breathing in the Denver altitude and the Birds weren’t able to use him much in the first half. Thankfully backup running backs Bryce Brown and Chris Polk stepped in there and did a good job.
Unfortunately, the Eagles needed a big game from McCoy in order to have any chance of staying up with Peyton Manning and the explosive Denver offense. McCoy finished the game with just 16 carries for 73 yards. He caught one pass for another 21 yards, but the Birds went to Denver knowing they were going to need big days from their rushing and passing games.
Polk did a nice job in his backup role with three carries for 33 yards and two catches for 19 yards. He scored the first touchdown of his career with a four-yard run to paydirt.
Bryce Brown wasn’t able to do much on the ground. He gained 19 yards on eight carries, but he did get loose on a screen pass to set up a score in the second quarter. I thought the screen call by Kelly in the second quarter was a great decision. It put the Eagles in position to score and Brown caught the pass and took down to the Broncos five yard line. It was a 35 yard gain. Brown caught two passes for 41 yards on the day.
Tight end Brent Celek was the leading receiver yesterday with three catches for 57 yards. Unfortunately it also included that key drop I mentioned before. Celek also was unable to hold on to another pass which hit him in the stomach, but he did have a defender draped all over him. The bottom line is that Celek needs to be a more dependable target.
Backup tight end Zach Ertz caught one pass for 38 yards. I think Chip Kelly needs to put him on the field more often. They’re not getting much production from his other wide receivers, so I would like to see them use the tight ends more and target Ertz more often in the passing game.
There was a James Casey sighting. The former Texans tight end caught one pass for 12 yards.
The Eagles two other wide receivers in their three wide receiver set caught a total of three passes for for 29 yards. Riley Cooper caught two passes for 25 yards and Jason Avant caught only one pass for four yards. That’s not enough production from your second and third receivers. You can’t win with so little production from their your second and third receivers.
The Eagles offensive line had a decent day, but they weren’t dominant. Unlike the Chiefs game, they weren’t the main reason for the offense to go south, but they din’t open the kind of running holes to let the offense run for over 200 yards. Still the biggest problem wasn’t the offensive line, it was the receivers inability to get open.
Rookie right tackle was beaten for another sack. This time it was former Charger Shaun Phillips, who came around the corner to get to Vick.
Chip Kelly is now the microphone mouth piece for all the excuses that permeate the mirage that is Mike Vick NFL QB.
Mike Kafka could have a 1-9 record if giving 10 games, we already know Nick Foles can go 1-5, Matt Barkley or Dennis Dixon could go 1-9.
Yea the could probably go 0 -10 with how this team has played as “whole” you dumb ass!
These cbs are the worst Cary has to go in the off season he stinks same thing with Bradley fletcher
Help me out here, fellas: Tell me what the ‘read only offense’ is, in plain English…How is it different than any other football offense?
1) Does it mean the QB ‘reads’ the defensive formation and adjusts/audibles?…Shouldn’t any experienced QB with half a brain be able to do this?
2) Does it mean running a high number of plays at a quick tempo, like a ‘no huddle’?…If the answer is yes, when have Chip & the Birds run it, other than in parts of the Washington game, and for a few quarters in pre-season?
If the answer is parts of both 1 & 2, than only Peyton Manning & Tom Brady run anything like it, and those 2 are the best QBs in the league, and only Manning runs anything like it consistently.
Or is ‘read only’ a hype and bill of goods we were sold by the Eagles management and the media?
Or maybe ‘read only’ means that the players will give up their video games and start reading Shakespeare and other classic writers, or maybe books about geo-political strategy?
I give it 2 more weeks before Coach decides to make a change on the offensive side of the ball. I’m starting to question if Vick is really the right choice for this “read option” I can really see what Troy Aikman was talking about yesterday by the read already being decided before the play even happens on the field. I don’t think chip trusts Vick to be able to make the correct call. I mentioned this after the skins game but got blasted by the experts on here. I don’t know if Nick Foles will do any better but seeing Payton running the Pistol yesterday, it totally blows needing an athletic QB out of the water. Yes, Foles did score a TD in what people are calling “garbage time”, but isn’t that his job? He came in and got the job done. either way we are not going to win with this defense. There has got to some player on the streets that can come in and help out.
Let the rumors begin
PHILADELPHIA (CBS) – Mix a three game losing streak, a dismantling at the hands of the Denver Broncos, some previous speculation and an open job at a major college football program, and what do you get? Chip Kelly to USC rumors, that’s what you get.
When the USC Trojans fired Lane Kiffin as head football coach, the leap to name Kelly a candidate was not a large one.
Gil Brandt, a senior analyst for NFL.COM, sees Kelly as a top candidate for the job.
“It would not shock me to see Kelly, 49, leave Philadelphia after one season, especially if the Eagles have a down year.
I hope Chip “Jelly” Kelly leaves after this season but doubt it..
Kelly is not about to return and Coach in the NCA for 18 Months as part of his Personal Punishment for running a Dirty Program in Oregon..SOme of you talk about Belecheat up in New England, Kelly was Cheating for 25 Years up in Oregon..
Anyways, watch the Eagles go out and hire another Kelly, Brian Kelly from Notre Dame.. What’s with Lurie and these damn Irishmen he hires as Coach’s, enough already, get a kick-ass Black-Dude who has Played the game at the NFL Level and get these damn Players attention..
Lurie tried that out of the gate with Ray Rhodes and Emmit Thomas then he went with a mormon who turned out to be running a drug emporium out of his home and now he is going with a homosexual irish college coach
u hope chip leaves after 4 games? lmfao some of you are unreal.
i love chips offensive style.
love love love the running
our qb and our d sucks. both take time to replace.
should have stated that Kelly “was cheating for 5 Years up at Oregon”
and not 25 Years.. another Typo Error…
chips not going anywhere. the guy who wrote that is just throwing shit in the wind.
Per NCAA sanctions, Kelly is banned from coaching college for 2 years, & needs special permission from the NCAA to go back, so that AIN’T happening!
ChrisS
September 30, 2013 – 12:59 pm
I can really see what Troy Aikman was talking about yesterday by the read already being decided before the play even happens on the field. I don’t think chip trusts Vick to be able to make the correct call. I mentioned this after the skins game but got blasted by the experts on here. I don’t know if Nick Foles will do any better but seeing Payton running the Pistol yesterday, it totally blows needing an athletic QB out of the water. Yes, Foles did score a TD in what people are calling “garbage time”, but isn’t that his job? He came in and got the job done. either way we are not going to win with this defense. There has got to some player on the streets that can come in and help out.”
I think Foles was always the better choice, because he is young & coachable, he is tall and can see the field, and, from what I’ve seen of him, I think he has technical ‘football smarts’ and can manage a game well.
This is NOT saying that Vick is a dummy or anything like that, only that Vick is set in his ways, and does not seem to have a ‘strategic’ eye or feel of the game…In military terms, Vick would be a great squad captain, but Foles has the potential to be a real field general.
However, many potentially promising young players get sidetracked by
poor team management, coaching and the team always feeling they have to ‘win now’ for money reasons.
What don’t you understand about a run play being called…Many times the Eagles give the read option look but the run was happening all the way, no option available…a run was called. The read option showed itself in the KC game with that 60 plus yard run…Chip isn’t calling read option every other play, it may actually be called 5-10 a game…you don’t know…but Chip has said hisself that a run is called with no option for the QB to keep it…called hand off all the way…
Thus supporting the fact you don’t need the mobile Vick as the QB. If it is only an option 3-5 times a game scrap it in favor of more accurate screens.
Frank,
I think the eagles can ‘win now’ with Foles, but unfortunately its going to be too late by the time he gets his well deserved chance. Lots of people are going to blame the struggles on the O-line, the o-line Payton had with the colts wasn’t that good. This just proves that its the quality of QB. Again though NO QB on this roster is going to win if we have to trade touchdowns with the other team.
FYI I’m not saying that any QB on this roster is anywhere new the caliber of player Payton is.
It’s pretty obvious that Vick is not running the offense that Kelly wants played out on the field, but kelly is in a bind, until Vick makes the decision for him by an awful performance against the giants
Once again we see the same crap about Mike Vick! Receivers are being blanketed, offensive line does a poor job in pass protection, and the defense does nothing at…yet it’s Mike Vick fault??? I mean for real?? Anyone who is paying attention and knows a little bit about football will see that the problem is NOT at QB! The first move the Eagles should make is beach Riley Cooper he gives you nothing, then they need to use two tight end sets more, and the online HAS to play better! On defense, the Eagles are severely lacking there is not much there…hopefully they get a little better as the season moves on,
Just because Joe Buck constantly yells that “there’s no where to go with the ball!!” doesn’t necessarily make it so.
One step is “open” in the NFL. Unfortunately, we have a QB who has to wait to see a guy with a 3 yard cushion until he throws the ball. That works against the Washington defenses of the world, but not against many others.
Just because the Eagles Defense is terrible does not make Mike Vick good.
Just because there is a problem at linebacker, does not mean there is not ALSO a problem at QB.
I guarantee you this…you trade Desean and Cooper to Denver for Welker and Decker, and Manning still carves the Birds up for 4 tds, while your hero flounders.
*rolls eyes*
One step is not open if your receivers can’t make those catches. Our receivers rarely if EVER make those catches. Vick knows that – hell Kelly knows that.
“This will probably surprise some, but I thought Michael Vick was the least of the Eagles’ problems on Sunday. Coming off of a horrendous performance vs. the Chiefs, he made several “tight window” throws, and the first half was probably as accurate as he’s been all season. Vick finished 14-for-27 for 248 yards, but two of those balls were throw-aways, and I counted four drops (two by LeSean McCoy, one by Brent Celek and one by DeSean Jackson). In other words, of Vick’s 25 aimed throws, 18 were catchable.”
Real commentary from someone who actually knows what they are talking about. You can’t make folk catch the ball.
Trade our wr and te for Denver’s Peyton makes our wr look like legends. Give Vick those studs from Denver Vick will make em look like idiots.
Btw rolls eyes and shaking my head is stupid.
Or maybe it’s real cool and I should start writing blinks eyes, scratching an itch, tapping my feet, singing a song before I type.
Comparing Peyton Manning to any NFL QB is unfair….your a jackass for that! focus on the QB’s on this team….Vick is the best option hands down…that little bullshit drive in garbage time got some of you even more brainwashed. No knock on Foles, but the best QB on the team is running the team…and the QB is the least of the Eagles problems, bottom line….
Vinnie, I bet you didn’t even watch the damn game….
So you’re saying Vick doesn’t pull the trigger because he knows the Wrs can’t catch?
So that’s why he sits and waits for Desean every play?
That’s why he takes 4 seconds almost every 2nd play?
Is that what was happening from 2010-2012 also? I just want to be clear on your position.
And, if that is the case….has he not believed in anyone around him since 2001? Because I think he’s been at the top of the “slowest release/sacks after 3 seconds” business for a decade or so.
As I’ve said many times. Poor guy. So unbelievably unlucky to have been surrounded by complete shit every single year of his career.
(note…again, trade Desean and Cooper to Denver for Welker and Decker and Manning still shreds the Birds while Vick hits 50% just the same)
Vick is not the ONLY problem. But he is one of them. And there is no future in him. He is a 33 year old free agent to be who is ranked 31st in completion %
31st.
If not now, then when.
Never for TS of course.
Tom Brady’s current completion percentage is 58.9
M. Vick’s current is 55.1
Brady must be a horrendous QB…oh wait…he has shitty receivers too. Funny how that works.
You see how the narrative is about completion percentages now? Vick haters with more weak garbage.
And you know this how? you have a better seat at the game than Joe Buck did? I think not, so shut your dumb ass up!
Always an excuse, remember, Vick was supposed to be unstoppable with this offense, but the same two glaring numbers jump out at you, 14 sacks and a 55% completion percentage, third worst in the nfl, ahead of only freeman, now exiled and gabbert , the only thing that has saved him from disaster isvthe lack of turnovers, some big plays and reliance on his legs, but he’s nit running the offense the it is supposed to be run
They should put foles in and let him run the Kelly offense to see if it has a chance in the nfl because so far this offense looks very ordinary, low octane.
Designed for him. Perfect for him.
That’s gone by the wayside pretty quick.
Eagles:
#2 ranked offense in yards
#25th ranked offense in red zone efficiency.
Wait…haven’t we see this before?
I thought that was Andy Reid’s fault. Keep changing coaches, keep changing players….and there is always one constant around that whole “offence bogs down in the red zone” business. Shhhhh….cannot be named.
Is the D horrible. Absolutely. That’s a 2-3 year fix. there are only so many draft picks to go around.
Do we need another WR. Absolutely. I expect one to be drafted with an early pick next year. Probably 2nd round.
Do we need a new QB. Absolutely. Time to find out if one is on the roster, or else its the first round pick next year.
For God’s sakes he’s 31st in completion %
THIRTY-FIRST!!!
16th in yrds/game
18th in TDs thrown (about to be 19th is Tannehill throws one tonight) with 5 in 4 games.
5 in 4 games????????????????????
2nd in sacks taken.
But “not the problem”
No, not “THE” problem. But one of MANY problems. One that should be dealt with ASAP.
You can’t change the safties, because there aren’t any more on the roster. Can’t really change the DBs wither.
You can get stone hands celek out of there, you can try to replace Cooper with one of the other WRs…and you sure as hell can replace the 31st ranked comp % QB who is 1-9 in his last 10 starts.
– Why are you worried bout last year?
– As usual finding numbers to fit some narrative you want to tell completely out of context to any sort of reality.
– A QB can’t throw TDs to receivers who keep dropping them. Cooper and Stane hands Celek are a big problem as are Ertz with his dropsies and Avant who is serviceable but that’s it.
– And plenty of those sacks are on the OL. Unless you know more about football than Kelly.
I’m “worried” about last year, because the exact same things are happening as last year…and the year before…and the year before…and….
I know I know…….
Its the oline, the Wrs, the coaches……same as every single other year of his incredibly unlucky career.
Poor guy.
TS Johnson…washing, rinsing and repeating the same excuses since 2001.
Vinnie spewing the same bullshit since…forever.
The game against Denver is over… whew.. thank God. Now…. where do we go from here?
The key is the Div games. If the eagles win those… we have the Div. But do we even want it? I say yes. I cannot root against my eagles for 2 years in a row. I just cant. We needed them to crap the bed last year so we could move on from Andy… and we did. I would like to see this eagles team pull it together and take steps for next year.
The key will be… take care of the Giants this week.
Noone gets off blame this week. Everyone is to blame…
Vick- needs to step up and make the throw… he was late on a TD strike early… no good.
The D is what we thought it would be when they failed to upgrade anything and brought in a failed DC. Im not jumping ship on him yet…. i like the 3-4. 4-3 hybrid… hopefully we jst need some players.
Here is a good q- any chance this season ends with Howie being kicked to the curb? Im not convinced Lurie will settle with this forever.
You still convinced this isn’t a “whole team” rebuild Stevo?
Oh…and sorry, its not 25th in redzone offense….its 26th.
Nope. I dont. U cant replace 30 guys in 1 or 2 off seasons. They need to start at the top of the needs list and go from there. Right now…. giving up 50+ seems to be the first thing they need to fix.
If a starting QB shakes free in FA or somehow we land a top pick in the draft.. GREAT!! But im not going to sit on here and talk about the qb when we just gave up 52 points.
Yes you can! The Colts replaced 34 last year, & look how they wound up! Then they replaced another 12, or so, this last off-season. So that’s 36-40 players in 2 years. Stop with the f^#@ing excuses. It ain’t just Vick, but he isn’t helping, nor should he have been brought back, in a so-called rebuilding year.
Dcar- I didnt want Vick back. I wanted him gone with Reid. Not sure what you are talking about…. the entire team sucks. Im not making excuses for anyone.
You are correct… guys like Andrew Luck can help change EVERYTHING!!
I would have no problem if they gave Foles or the rook a chance… I just dont think it would fix much.
Stevo, I was responding to you saying, that “U can’t replace 30 guys in 1 or 2 off seasons”.
And scored 13.
Vinnie- i would be fine with a change. I just laugh at your hate.
Is he, or is he not 31st in the league in comp %.
You obviously would consider sitting Celek, Allen, Cooper, etc etc for young players on the roster.
But not Vick. Can’t even consider that. Because the defense is terrible.
Is that your point Stevo….because the D is bad and there are “other things to worry about” we should stick with a bad QB?
No- my point is.. and has always been…
1) Im going to support the starting QB- whomever it is.
2) Im going to let the coach coach for a year or so until i slam everything he does.
3) Im going to talk about the entire team… not talk about 1 player for the rest of my life… nor will I make stupid bets that get me kicked off the blog.. and by kicked off I mean…. go back on my word.
“Is he, or is he not 31st in the league in comp %.”
How much of the offensive production is he responsible for?
Meaning he has 228 yards on the ground and two TDs – once again looking at half of someone’s game and making comments on it seem silly. Yet you continue to do so.
Also – the last game 4 drops and 2 throwaways…so yeah, that will screw anyone’s completion percentage. But I guess dropped balls are the QBs problem too.
Vick had 4 drops and 2 throwaways. (ie not his fault he’s 31st)
Of course Vick is the only QB in the NFL whose wrs drop the ball and who has to throw it away every now and then.
THAT’s why he’s 31st. None of the other Qbs ever have to do that, or have that happen.
Thanks for clearing that up.
He’s 31st in one category, so of course in your hate for Vick, you talk only about that stat, as if one stat tells the whole story. One stat only highlights your obsession with hating Vick.
He’s 10th in Qb rating among Qbs who qualify, 2nd in yards/att., not to mention his rushing yards and tds.
But you harp on one stat cuz it fits your narrative.
Typical Vinnie the Hater.
racking up yards and making espn highlites is what he does and always has done. freezing and not putting up7s in the redzone is another characteristic
Yards don’t mean a f^#@ing thing, when you turn the ball over, & don’t produce points! Get a clue!
Why don’t you get a clue Dcar! They missed some opportunities in the Rz this season, but were top 10 in scoring!
– Tom Brady has thrown for 7 Tds in 4 games
– Vick has thrown for 5 and run for 2 – funny that equals 7
– Tom Brady’s completion percentage stands at 58.9 right now
– Vick’s 55.1
Hmmm….I wonder why Brady looks so pedestrian these days…oh wait it’s those god awful receiving core who can’t catch shit most days. And guess what Brady has been holding on to the ball too long ’cause those pesky receivers can’t get open.
Brady had a sub 50% game against the Jets. THE JETS.
Is Brady a better QB than Vick. Yep. Can Brady make crap wide receivers catch the football…nope. And neither can Vick.
So much G-Man for HC Jelky Kelly being so far ahead of NFL Defenses..
What has he done Scheme wise to put his Players in better position to be able to make Plays.. Hail to the a genius of Chip Jelly and all those in the Media and Fans who creating a bogus worshiping of a BFL Coach after 1 good half of Fottvall versus the Hapless Redskins who gift wrappers the opening game Victory by turning the ball over 3 of their first 6 Pkays from Scrimnage..
These last 2 Fames were poorly Schenes and planned for in my humble opinion as well as poorly executed by an average Team Talent wiser
Serves you right..
chip jelly isnt really in even funny. jelly is reserved for fat guys. chip doesnt look that fat to me. awful nickname
dude…i’ve been wondering this for months…are you making these typos on purpose? seriously. or do you just not believe the spell check when it underlines words in red?
No worries, we go 12-0 from here. The “Genius”, “innovator” Kelly is here to save the day! SB BAAAAABY!!!!
D, you think Chip is a bad coach? you dont want him as our HC?
To answer your questions, yes, & absolutely not! Didn’t want him when he was hired, & nothing has changed. Overhyped, over-loved, non-warranted, & is a fraud.
interesting. i guess i love the fact that he runs soo much and b/c that is the polar opposite of reid and all ive been asking for for 5+ years is why i like him. idk.
That’s the only reason why people like him, because he ain’t the Hindenburg. He was a mistake from the get-go. Not 1 minute of NFL experience. Gimmick coach, with idiotic ideas, that can’t adjust, just like the Hindenburg. He hired a hodge-podge coaching staff full of retread failures & inexperience. Not to mention, his final say on the roster.
cant say i disagree. Im giving him a chance but… i was not a fan off the offseason moves. It reeked of.. we’re smarter than you style we’ve seen before.
Maybe we can get the first 30 picks in the draft to help us rebuild.
Ehl, we’d still need 30 more, because Weaselman, & the “Genius”, would somehow f^#@ that up too!
koolbreeze
September 30, 2013 – 2:41 pm
“Once again we see the same crap about Mike Vick! Receivers are being blanketed, offensive line does a poor job in pass protection, and the defense does nothing at…yet it’s Mike Vick fault??? I mean for real??”
It’s certainly not all Vick’s fault, as the defense has been bad, the receiving corps is sub-standard, and the OL is not what it was advertised to be.
The problem with Vick is that he is basically a .500 caliber QB, he does not see the game, or defenses, as far as the big picture, and he is not the future of the team…The Birds are supposed to be building for the future…Vick was signed as a hedge, and to have a ‘big name’ on the team, in the view of Howie Roseman.
Foles, and possibly Barkley are both better options for the future, with Foles
being the better option, IMO.
The reality is Mike Vick is playing well under the circumstances. Receivers have to get open and the line has to pass protect. The QB has to protect the football. Vicks turnovers are down, he is running for positive yards, and the offense has shown some production. The problem for the Eagles are mainly on the other side of the ball-the defense is terrible and I have a bad feeling that Bill Davis does not know what he is doing,The Eagles do not have the personnel to run the 3-4, yet they insist on it
Top #5 Picks of the 2014 NFL Draft
1) Jaguars – QB T BRidgewater – Louisville 6-2 235lbs
2) Eagles – QB Johnny Football Manziel – Texas A &M 5-9 185lbs
Johnny “smacked-ass” Manziel would be perfect for Philly, their Media and their Fans.. I can see Billboards with his arrogant-ass smirk on I-95 touting Acme Markets or Dietz & Watson Deli Meats even though he’s lived in Texas his whole Life….. Let the Media Circus begin…
Pop—-pop—-pop…that sound you hear is Manziel delivering his passes. If Mariota is there, Chip will grab him . Please no Manziel!!!
I agree, I don’t want his crazy, imature, punk @$$ here. He’s a volcano, just waiting to erupt! Can you imagine, what happens, after he signs his 1st multi-million $$$$ contract?
If the argument is that Vick should be benched to see if either Foles or Barkley could be our long-term answer at QB, then so be it. I agree, that Vick is clearly not the Eagles QB of the future. But I cannot understand how people can even suggest that #7 is the reason why we’re 1-3. It’s a completely asinine and unfounded argument. It’s unreal how some people here are completely blinded by their dislike for Vick as a person. Either that or they’re literally blind.
yes!
IMO Vick should’ve won us the chargers game. He didn’t lose it for us but he had the chance to win it and he didn’t.
Vick played awful against the chiefs but so did a lot of people.
IMO he should’ve won us that chargers game and a good qb does win is that game. Vick should’ve left a positive mark on the chiefs game too.
Vick has played well but his low completion %, his tendency to hold the ball so long, tendency to not accurately read and interpret what the d is giving him, his putrid red zone performance, his awful 3rd down conversion rate, his inability to make simple short throws on 2nd and 3rd downs kill teams and you can’t win with that u can’t its impossible.
These days the excuse is he doesn’t have playmakers around him, yet we rack up yards every game just can’t put 7s on the board in the redzone. That’s on the qb IMO. Defenses just don’t get good in the redzone and our playmakers don’t just get bad. Reality is Vick is unable to fit the ball in tight places and he struggles when the field gets shortened. Can’t win with qbs wired like that.
He is just one piece of the puzzle but with an upgrade at qb we would easily be 2-2.
Regardless as it stands we need 2 corners, 2 safeties, 2 wrs, 2 lbs, 1 qb.
Gonna take some time but I believe chip will succeed if given time and if we find a qb not named Vick
Vick either takes too many chances and throws picks (KC game), or he takes no chances and does not throw to receivers unless they are wide open (Broncos game). He has no confidence in his accuracy. Be cause he is not a real accurate passer.
Many people (on this site) claimed that Vick would thrive in a run heavy offense that didn’t rely on him to pass the ball 40+ times a game. As Reid would often ask Vick to do… Well… Vick is now being asked to throw the ball less than 30/game (on average) and he has very strong run support – and the play action is very deceptive. Yet Vick is near the bottom of the league in completion percentage.
This defense might suck, but they would suck a lot less if Vick and the offense could sustain some drives. The Eagles sustained a couple drives in the first half (42 plays) and the Broncos offense scored 14 points. The Eagles did not sustain any drives in the second half (29 plays) and the Broncos offense scored 31 points.
Chip Kelly knows this… he will do what he has to to win games, including replacing Vick. Maybe not this year… maybe not with any current player, but he will lose his job if he keeps Vick too long. This team needs a new leader on the field – one with QB skills not scatback skills.
Last night.
Play 1: Rush for 3.
Play 2: Throw wide to Desean
Play 3: Does not even attempt to stay in pocket. Drops back. 2 rushers wide and past (perfect) Vick could have stepped up but he immediately tucked and ran for 4 yards.
Punt.
I knew game was over right there.
This defense sucks on its on merits. The offense sustained drives all throughout the first half, and the D was horrible. They only got of the field due to Broncos miscues.
And in what narrative is completion percentage more important than Qb rating, where Vick is ranked 10th? Or yds per attempt, where he’s 2nd? Or his rushing totals and tds? Vick is producing, now they need to stop somebody and not give up 2 STs tds.
And in what narrative is completion percentage more important than Qb rating, where Vick is ranked 10th? Or yds per attempt, where he’s 2nd? Or his rushing totals and tds? Vick is producing, now they need to stop somebody and not give up 2 STs tds.
When it comes to sustaining drives, completion percentage is much more important. When it comes to winning games, sustaining drives is important.
You’ll note that Vick also has a higher QB rating than Drew Brees, Tom Brady and Alex Smith. Three QB’s who’s teams are a combined 11-0. But, all three of those QBs have a higher completion percentage than Vick. So answer your own question Skyne… What do you think is more important?
Vick’s yards/att yesterday = 9.2 Manning’s yards/att yesterday = 9.1…. I guess yards/att are not very important. LOL
What kind of pseudo logic is this? You’re trying to claim that even with lower qb ratings, those teams are winning because of completion percentage? How far do Vick haters need to go in order to justify bogus narratives?
I mean your Vick hate just allows you to ignore all those qbs have highly ranked defenses? As of this point in the Monday night game, all 3 teams have given up less than 60 points in 4 games. Less than 15 a game for each. Combine that defensive performance with Vick’s production, you get the same record. Your logic is ridiculous. You have plenty of qbs with completion percentages better than Vick with the same record or worse.
Your logic is in reverse. If completion percentages are so important, why would Vick have a better qb rating?
Let’s just put it this way Skyne – Vick’s 112 and 123 QB rating from the first two games wont carry him for too long. It’s already falling fast. Then you will have to find another stat to cling to…
Here’s a concept you should learn Skyne – when the offense is on the field the defense is not on the field… If Vick and the offense can convert third downs and sustain some drives it will help the defense…
When you have drives that look like this, it doesn’t help a bad defense.
3 plays 0:49 Punt
6 plays 2:58 Punt
5 plays 1:32 Punt
3 plays 1:13 Punt
3 plays 1:28 Blocked Punt
4 plays 3:12 Missed FG
I don’t hate Vick at all, but don’t make him out to be a star among bums because he sucks as much as the rest of the team the last two weeks. His QB rating was 49 against KC… I guess their defense was not as overrated as you thought, wiseguy….
paulman
September 30, 2013 – 4:18 pm
“2) Eagles – QB Johnny Football Manziel – Texas A &M 5-9 185lbs
Johnny “smacked-ass” Manziel would be perfect for Philly, their Media and their Fans.. I can see Billboards with his arrogant-ass smirk on I-95 touting Acme Markets or Dietz & Watson Deli Meats even though he’s lived in Texas his whole Life….. Let the Media Circus begin…”
Paulman, this was the best post today…But don’t you think Manziel is a little too big to play starting QB in the NFL? [—)
And you forgot Hatfield Turkey Sausage, Gary Barbera’s Auto & Ace Public Adjusters…
Really strange.
Over his career Vick has 81 1st half tds and 47 2nd half tds
63% of his tds in the first half, 37% in the 2nd (as his body wears down from all the scrambling beatings)
This year he has 4 in the first half and 1 in the second half of games.
That’s weird.
I’ve noticed that Vick loses his legs and spring in his step as the Gmaes wears on.. He has very few 4th Quarter Comebacks in his Career which for playing the amount of Games during his Career is pretty crappy.. Get him and his Team down, and it’s almost sayanora time..
Of course we all remember that monster comeback versus the GIants a couple years back, but that was an exception..and we also remember the 2 comeback Wins last Season when the Browns LB dropped an easy Int which would have iced the game for the Browns and the Bogus Offensive Pass-Interference call versus (Jacoby Jones) of the Ravens which would have sealed the game for the Ravens but instead gave the Eagles a chance to Win
I’m looking at the first 4 games as an extended pre-season. No doubt there are adjustments that need to be made but this team is not far off from 3-1 rather than 1-3. The key is to not press the panic button so far the offense has moved the ball they way we wanted, short of a few drops in the redzone and costly turnovers we could have more. There are some winnable contest coming up and we will learn more about Kelly at this point of the season. The penalties on good plays have to stop, and the defense have to find a way to get off the field at least once. Eagles were not beating the broncos so yesterday doesn’t matter to me. I’m still looking at the things that hurt us vs the chargers and chiefs both games that with experience I think Kelly should pull out managing the game a little better. Im looking to see Kelly get more decisive on what he wants to do 3rd and short 4th and short just outside of fg range. Kelly needs to trust his gut and ignore the media and what fans say in hinds sights of each decision. you don’t want this being your only shot at head coach and realizing you held back.
Vick not good, Kelly knows it, but himself in a jam by keeping this stiff
Put. Foles in and watch how all of sudden the Kelly offense looks damn good
I agree. I think FOLES with the same personell will play far better than 7. Come on Chip give me 4 games of Foles NOW!
Of course then all the Vickpologists will say yeah but he played the 0 fer club!
Vinnie. You have earned a PhD in vickology I am damn glad you did because your research has demonstrated unequivocally that Mike Vick is among the biggest stiffs in the debate of the most over hyped quarterbacks
Pom poms
Please no Johnny Football. I want a PURE POCKET PASSER and an OFFENSE to match. BTW Manning ran what looked more like chips offense from this summer and earlier this season than the VICKball offense that 7 orchestrates.
Atlanta 1-3 must be Matt Ryans fault. NY 0-4 Must be Eli’s fault. Green Bay 1-2 Aaron Rogers stinks and can’t get rid of the ball. Pitt 0-4 big Ben stinks. like seriously every failure of the team is not the QB when a team has as many holes as the Eagles. The Eagles offense has put up points with the exception of a blowout loss yesterday so I’m curious of how many more points do you think Foles would score not being able to threaten the defense down the field. Clueless football fans. Living in a bubble like every team is just so easy to beat. This is a long season the key is no not panic and try to correct the little things that can turn a game your way. One game back second place with a bunch of winnable division games coming up already 1-0 in the division is not the time to call it a season and put bums in.
I think Vick is statistically one of the worst starting QB in the league on 3rd down. He is easily one of the worst starting QBs in the redzone. I think any football guru will tell you you cant win in the NFL if you suck on 3rd down/redzone. Clearly that seems true when you look at Vicks pathetic win/loss record what is it now 1-9 in last 10 games.
If your an Eagles fan that wants a Super Bowl asap, Vick may not be the sole problem but he clearly is one of the major problems. This starting offense put up 13 freaking points against a terrible passing defense in the league, with almost double the preparation time missing their 3 best players. If you cant score, who gives a fuck about yards. Since when are wins given out to the team with the most yards.
BTW if you actually watch other NFL games, good QBs complete throws all the time to WRs with guys hanging all over them. WHy do you think guys like Mayock preach accuracy at the combine? Being open differs drastically btwn NFL/College. When people are single covered with a guy right on their back they are actually considered open in this league.
Vick made plenty of those throws in the Denver game, the real difference is our receivers dropped them.
What receiver on this team ever makes those catches routinely, is the question, which would be none of them.
You think noodle arm Foles is going to make throws into tight windows?
“Vick attempted just two passes of 20 yards or longer against the Broncos, completing one. That was a 20-yard completion to DeSean Jackson. Just 18 of Vick’s 118 attempts this season have traveled 20 yards or more.”
Yea you really need that big arm for chips offense. Not.
One of the worst Qbs in the redzone, and I think statistically the worst on 3rd down. Two of the most important aspects of the game when it comes to winning and he straight up sucks at at (which is ridiculous when you look at some of the Qbs starting games this year). He sucks just like he always has.
And when it comes to Foles, a reasonable guess is that this offense (esp one where evidence shows a QB is asked for the most part to make short accurate throws v. hail mary bombs) would put up more points a game with him over Vick. You know just like the offense scored more ppg with him last year v. Vick, and he was a rookie playing with basically none of the starters at Oline, TE, WR.
The Denver WRs have more drops than any team in the league so far this year and Manning has the highest completion percentage in the league.
Going into the Denver game Eagles receivers had a total of 2 dropped passes in three games. Add 2 more yesterday and that brings the entire team up to 4 drops for the year.
Wow that’s one less than Eric Decker’s total of 5. Wes Welker has 3. Demaryius Thomas has 2.
Jeez… how does Manning keep that completion percentage up to 75% with all those dropped passes?
Clowns are literally up here judging our QB on every 3 and out lol. Offense is really not the issue with this team KC and DEN are very good defenses and both would finish in the top 10 and KC prob top 3. KC has allowed 2, 16, 16 and 7 points this year, the fact that we moved the ball on both of these teams fairly easy shows you the potential as a offensive unit. Celek catches the ball that’s 17 in the first half against a team that shuts teams down until the blowout phase. Den is the best at defending the run and we did that well too. I can’t recall one 3 and out or more than 5 punts from all of our opponents combined the last three games. So instead of digging and altering silly numbers to try and say why Vick is the sole reason for a 4-12 team with a new coach and system starting 1-3. Scratch the surface on some of these historically horrible defensive numbers then tell me what QB wins with a defense this bad?
I guess Foles would have put up 30 against the Chargers everybody knows that for sure right? Foles would have not had an issue with KC’s pass rush right better chance to win that game too? Foles would have out gunned Peyton in Den plus overcame two special teams touchdowns. I really don’t get where you fools are going with the whole QB thing being the only focus of the w/L. I can see if we had Peyton Manning on the bench, but we have Foles. Do you idiots even watch the rest of the National Football League besides Eagles games?
Would he have?
Who knows? (though I think he’s have had a good shot to lead the O to more than 16 and 13 points respectively)
Learning about Foles (or Barkley) and finding out his potential is better than the guaranteed mediocrity that Vick brings.
Vick has played 8 halves of football this year.
Great in 2 of them.
Good in 2 others.
Bad in 4 of them.
He’s thrown 1 td in the second half this year (around his average)
He is what he is, and its, “meh”. Lets find out if the kids can be something more than that.
Excellent points! No the Vick haters do nothing but stew in their blind hatred of the QB! Vick has to better than Brady, manning, Brees, and Montana combined..and the receivers, offensive line, special teams, defense,…nothing else matters…the Eagles lose its Vick’s fault!
Not one person has said Vick is the “sole reason”
He is “A” reason.
He is 31st in comp%
16th in yrds/game
18th in tds
2nd in sacks taken
26th in Redzone
(of course this is because the Eagles are the only team in the league with a terrible Oline and Wrs who drop balls)
Vick is not “THE” reason the Birds are losing. But a 33 year oid, bottom tier in the NFL, soon to be free-agent certainly isn’t any sort of a solution either.
He is “A” reason that can easily be switched in favour of the young kids in order to see if they can develop into legit NFL starters.
The other reasons (that also must be addressed) will be (hopefully) fixed through the draft over the next 2 seasons or so because they need major overhauls.
The Vick haters are simply delusional! Vick is doing his job! His turnovers are way down, he runs the ball for effective yards and his passes have been accurate. The offense has suffered from the lost of Macklin and Celek is again dropping too many passes. Serious football fans know that the Eagles problems are on defense! No turnovers,no stops…… Offenses are running the ball against us and keeping Vick on the sideline. If the Eagles get the defense turned around Vick will get the job done and the offense will be fine and explosive
The real Reason the Eagles are not winning is one simple Stat,
Their Red-Zone Efficiency sucks and ranks in the bottom few in the entire NFL. QB Vick and the Offense are moving the ball, which is proven by all the Yards they are accumulating, but bottom line, it’s about punching it in for 7 Pts and not settling for 3 Pts which has cost this Team at least 1 Win and possibly another one thus far.. And yes, punching it in once in the Red-Zone falls a lot on the QB with quicker reads, more accurate passes, getting rid of the ball and the Receivers catching the damn ball..
SO it’s not all on VIck, but he has a big part of whether they Score TD’s or not and without TD’s with this Current Eagles Defense, they are beating no one, Other Teams are like, let the Eagles march the ball between the 20’s, then clamp down, muscle up on Receivers, Stack the Line of Scrimmage and Bliz after VIck and the Eagles Offense collevctively and Coach Jelly Kelly can’t handle it..Yards between the 20’s are meaningless on who Wins the Games, it’s about scoring TD’s and Winning the Turnover Battle and playing at least decent Special Teams and avoiding the big returns by the Coverage Units..
The team is terrible. Terrible. To focus on one person is idiotic and obsessive. Especially when it is an offensive player when the defense is giving up 30+ points a game.
There are bigger fish to fry.
Except those fish cannot be fried this year because there are too many of them. It will take a couple of years.
Meanwhile….while that is happening…….don’t you think the Eagles can ALSO take a look at what they have at the QB position other than the 33 year old soon to be free agent?
That not possible in your world???
Its only “fix everything else because clearly Vick is juuuuust fine” From you guys.
Vick is not the ONLY reason, so therefore he should be kept!!!!!! Because he gives us the best chance to WIN NOW!!!! (makes me smile every time I see that)
Is that the logic? Because that’s what I keep reading from the likes of TS, Kool, Bugsy etc.
Because the D is bad, we should keep Vick.
Even though he’s in the bottom tier of NFL QBs in just about every category. (That’s the Oline and Wrs fault anyway)
Got it.
Your still here? why? Didn’t Kelly make the decision to go with Vick? your character is flawed, not just because you are obsessed with Vick, because you just have no honor…your word means shit! You must not watch the games….That dropped pass by Celek, was completely Vick’s fault right? Should Vick have thrown the ball ran out and caught it too? Yes Vick and the offense have not put the ball in the end zone the last two games…If you really think any other QB on this roster could do a better job and the Eagles would win, you’re out of your punk ass mind!
But it was ok for you to reference dropped passes when Foles was in games last season….right, same ol same bullshit with you, if a half assed stat benefits you, then its ok to use it….bitch ass!
If you can used dropped passes in regards to second stringers…then hell yes, people can use dropped passes in regards to ‘starters’ you dumb shit! ..
In my world all of the issues that are plaguing this team will still be there with or without Vick. QB is the least of my concerns, because if this team had a franchise QB, it wouldn’t matter with the turnstyles that they have at OL and no one to throw to (who can catch). You could meld the DNA of Marino, Montana, Brady and P Manning and it wouldn’t matter right now, because the defense would give up so many points that his arm would fall off because of throwing 50 times a game.
My point is that you obsess so much with one person that you don’t see any holes/fault with anybody else on the team.
Foles would fare no better with the current make up of the team than Vick, so I don’t give a damn who plays QB right now. He is a statue with sub standard arm strength. And before you bring up read-option, I am not looking for a running QB. I am looking for a QB that can make all the throws. That is not Vick and that is not Foles.
I don’t care about Vick. Not the long term answer.
I don’t care about Foles. Not the long term answer.
This team is light years away from being relevant and effin Nick Foles is not going to get them there. You laugh when you hear that Vick is the best chance to win, but everyone else laughs when you think that Foles is. That is my point.
Got it.
Now own up and go back under your bridge troll.
Mike Vick has one win this year
Nick Foles makes 9% of what Vick makes for what would be the same result
and it would be the same result for any QB on this team right now….also you don’t know if it would be the same result or not, stronger possibility that the Eagles would be 0-4 with Foles…
Completely agree!!!
It would probably be exactly the same. 1 and 3, or 0 and 4, or 2 and 2….who cares what the record is…this team is going nowhere.
Except one difference.
One miserable result is with a 33 year old free agent who won’t be resigned, and the other would be with a 24 yr old kid learning the game.
One choice is significantly better for the eagles (long term) than the other.
forgot to add…without a chance to win the NFC East….
The 24 year old kid, may not be part of the future plans…can you comprehend that? so why put him in? do you understand that maybe the coach, just doesn’t see it as you do?
And I say the season is clearly not over yet being that the division leader is 2-2. there are a bunch of winnable division games coming up and we are 1-0 in the division so if we can’t make way in the next few weeks by all means pull the plug on “our” BEST QB and see if Foles/Barkley can change what im sure the coaching staff already has evaluated about them, short and long term. 8 games on the back half of the schedule is not going to make a difference if the season is truly lost. 8 games is more than enough time to see if Foles can operate at an NFL level in this offense.
I see holes EVERYWHERE on this team – INCLUDING QUARTERBACK.
I told you 50x this offseason that the d was going to be “historically bad” (my words) which is precisely the reasoning why going with a 33 yr old free agent on a rebuilding team was just plain stupid.
Rip me all you want, I don’t care…..but remember, you’re the one announcing that Foles is not an answer after 6 starts.
Good thing you weren’t the GM for Atlanta in 2001, I guess you would have cut your hero after his completely pathetic first 6 games.
This team is 2 or 3 years from being relevant…it takes 2/3 years before a QB begins to hit his peak…..maybe they should take a look to see if we have someone who will be ready in a couple years now.
Or else we could keep signing retreads, build a D. And when the D is ready, THEN start looking at young QBs….and watch them struggle for a couple seasons while the D ages.
Good idea.
Do any of you ever think further ahead than next week?
I do not think Foles gives the Eagles a better chance to win right now.
I think Foles has potential to lead the Eagles to wins in the future.
And this team is all about the future.
Anyone still clinging to the “Vick gives us the best chance to WIN NOW!” is a delusional idiot.
you obviously don’t think ahead, otherwise you wouldn’t of made the bet you made….or maybe you did think ahead and no matter what weren’t going to honor a bet in which you gave you word….you punk bitch
I don’t really care if it’s Vick or Foles, or even Barkley. What would give this team the best chance to win would be to keep our piss-poor defense on the sideline as much as possible.
For that to happen this team needs to sustain drives. That means we need to run the ball efficiently… we need to pass the ball accurately… and we need to catch the ball.
The biggest problem we have in the passing game is that DeSean Jackson has been targeted 37 times and McCoy, Brown, and Polk have been targeted a combined 12 times. There’s no way you are going to sustain drives when most of your passes are low percentage passes to wideouts. Even with DJax having a great season so far.
Blame Vick… blame Kelly, or whoever for Vick’s shitty completion percentage, but until he starts checking down to his backs we won’t be sustaining drives and our defense will continue to spend too much time on the field.
just read an article about the vikings and their brewing QB controversy the quote was “teams at the bottom of the league, don’t rebuild around a 31 year old QB (Cassell) with a history of flopping”…. hmm a writer gets it but the Eagles do not? WE are at the bottom of the league, we are rebuilding I don’t understand what a 33 year old QB is doing at the helm of this team…. ANY 33 YEAR OLD QB, LET ALONE THIS GUY!!!!
Let the guy who lives 30 mins away from the Vikings fill you in….
1. Noone here wants the kid (ponder) to play.. NO ONE. Everyone here wants Cassel to play.
2. The Vikings wasted a first round pick on this guy.
3. The queens were expected to make a run for the div this year but have played very poorly (mostly because of the QB).
4. The Queens are going with the old… Ponder has a rib injury thing for 2 weeks now so they can check out cassel. Btw- Ponder tweeted something like “well, I’ve been told I have a rib injury so, i wont be playing this week I guess”.
Guys, this comes down to 2 different q’s.
#1- Do we have a chance to win this year?
Many of us feel the answer is still yes… i would rather see the Eagles win the div and see what happens. That is still a very possible outcome.
That said- I understand that many of you want to tank the season and kive the “kids” a chance at qb. They may get that chance yet.. so haveachillpill.
#2-Do we have a QB on the roster worth building around?
I dont know. I cant say that we’ve seen anything in Foles to say yes there… and why throw Barkley in already? The fact is… we have a 3rd rounder and a 4th rounder there.
The funny thing is… if we sit the starter and play one of the kids, we will almost for sure be drafting the next starting QB come April. So… why waste a season?
Just let this play out…. we will know what we have come Dec.
Wrong.
Playing Foles opens more options.
Option 1. Foles plays his way into being the QB of the future.
Option 2. Foles Plays his way into being a better commodity for a trade to another team.
Option 3. Foles Plays his way out of a starting job and becomes a reasonably priced back up – still has trade value.
Option 4 Foles plays himself out of a job of any kind.
Three of these are options with an Eagles Win. 1 is a loss but an end to controversy so still a win.
Vick gives you nothing. NOTHING. NOTHING for the future when this team will be good. Hell we should trade McCoy as well as we will not be good before he is at the end.
Only simplistic asses think about it in the manner in which you do..and to say Vick gives you nothing is a completely asinine statement…only someone who dislikes the man for other reasons than football would say such a thing…Again, Foles has done nothing in college or the pros to be given the keys to the franchise especially this early on, when the Eagles could be at the top of the East after this weekends games…Dallas will have their hands full with the Broncos and we’ll get beat up on just as we did….
You guys complain about Vick forcing throws and getting picks…he throws the ball away, and you’re mad that he isn’t forcing throws trying to throw WR’s open…you guys cant have it both ways….
What has FOles ever done in the pros?? Comical.
I love how you slag Foles by saying he has done nothing in the Pros.
And yet you love Vick.
Because he’s done so much in the pros…..like….um……er…..ummm…..he had that one good year once in 2004/4.
There was that.
So that’s good right?
Hey… lets talk about vick again. fun.
Ok- lets try and fix this season…. are there ANY CB’s,SS’s or FS’s sitting on the sofa right now that can help us THIS year?
BTW- THIS is why i said we should have kept DRC but…. i dont know what kind of a person he is so…. maybe thats part of it.
No. There is no one sitting at home that’s somehow going to make the D competent. Its going to take 2 years of drafting. (and I still don’t believe you are going to see D players drafted early next year).
Completely new coaching staff, 3 new DBs, however many new DLs and several players in new positions. That’s at least half the year before they begin to show competency. They should begin to show improvement after the bye week. But it will still take an infusion of talent at just about every position before we’re thinking this is a unit that can compete in the playoffs.
An offence that can sustain drives would also help.
DRC is only playing well because he’s winning. He’s a front-runner. If he was here, he’d be slacking and getting burned every game. You can count on that.
wow Vinnie- that is the best thing you have written in over 2 years. Congrats. baby steps bro.
i think this D will get better. Not this year… but hopefully next year. I think Chips is staying around BUT… i dont know that for sure. I like WHAT they are doing on D but I think Rosebud needs to go… and will be gone (or moved) within the next 15 months.
I honestly believe that Lurie will not rest until we are good again. The eagles will bring in talent… most likely via trade or FA.
I think the D looks MUCH MUCH better next year.
btw- there are several guys better than Nate Allen sitting out there. Just saying.
Real talk, you show serious ignorance to say foles as not shown anything to be given a chance to be a starting qb
Reuben frank offered an in depth analysis of foles stats as a rookie and how they compared very favorabley with other high profile qbs and some hall of famers during their rookie season. Foles did this behind the same depleted offensive line that vick got killed
Foles numbers and productivity were very close to Vick’s numbers in the preseason, considering foles potential upside compared to a finished product in Vick, the smart decision was to go with fioles
Yeah but we wanted to WIN NOW lolololol with this Defense hahahah.
Chip was either deluded or pressured but Picking Vick to play was the beginning of the end.
At least if he had said lets let the young guys learn as we build for future dominance he would have bought himself some time. NOPE he said we could win now. hahahahah