I truly believe Chip Kelly could be the coach that brings the first Super Bowl trophy to Philadelphia. I watched Oregon very closely yesterday. Seeing a mobile athlete under center, how dynamic this offense could possibly be; my mind began to wonder.
Forget the mock drafts; and rumors for a moment. Some fans are going to plead that draft picks in rounds one and two for the next three years can be sent to the Buccaneers for the top pick in the 2015 draft. Personally, I’m not even sure those picks would be a big enough package to land the pick, but if it was, would you make the move?
What if Chip had “his” guy in Mariota. The Eagles who are great with the cap, go through free agency for the next couple of years and sign players to fill positions of need. The Eagles have a nice list of young and talented players, and their track record has been hit or miss with players in the first few rounds.
The likelihood of this happening is closer to fantasy football then real football. Does it set the franchise back with acquiring a possible franchise QB for six draft picks? Watkins, Graham, Patterson, Bunkley, Jarrett, and Allen, there is “four” first round picks and “2” second round picks that Eagle fans can relate to. If the Eagles are going to be playoff contenders, their picks will be in the late twenties and hopefully reach into the thirties for the next few years.
Would you invest all of the picks needed to make this move? Sure, the RG3 comes to mind, but Mariota is not the same.
The Eagles would have to find talent in the later rounds. They could also spend, spend, spend in free agency to get “proven” players rather than “prospects.
Would you do it?
A week ago I would have said absolutely not, today I’m ready to make this blockbuster move.
No.
No
I saw the title and first thing i thought is …’holy shit its april 1″…
NO
NO
NO
NO
NO
I’m right with you!!!!
It’s time we see what this offense can do with one of the QB’s who have innovated it.
If Songs is all for it….then its a guarantee that its the wrong thing to do. Whatever Songs says, the opposite is true!
BTW – I find it funny that Songs (and others) who always rip the Eagles for their draft “reaches” are the ones advocating the biggest reach of them all! Giving up 3 years of potential drat starters for a 50% prospect (at best)
I vote yes. Chip will just fuck up all the other pics anyway.
LMAO!!! I agree!
If chip drama kelly doesn’t go get him he will just get reach no talent guys like Taylor hart every round.
Dallas Cowboys = Montreal Canadiens of the NFL.
Philadelphia Eagles = Ottawa Senators of the NHL
(Anotherwords irrelevant)
Well, obviously the NFL want the Cowboys to go deep into the playoffs.
The damn refs picks up a flag on a clear pass interference that would have mad Bradley Fletcher proud.
A text book Bradley Fletcher type interference called and they picked the flag up, then had the nerve to call consecutive interference calls against the Lions.
Add to the fact that DeZ Bryant runs on the field without a helmet. Ridiculous
lion i thought i saw that but of course it wasn’t called…. well fat ass chris fucking christie and the nfl got their wish!
Christie & Jones’s connections, got to the Refs before the game. No surprise here. They got calls all night long.
Someone wanted The Boys to win badly.
That was pretty brutal by the refs.
WOW
How does the league even begin to try and explain the picking up of the flag aaaannnndddd a player running 15 yards onto the field of play to argue with an official? SMDH
I have never seen a penalty announced, then overturned. Then, no explanation was given as to why the original call was overturned.
Fucking disgrace. That was some NBA type shit the officials pulled.
Witten false start on the 4th down play.
Yep, I saw that too!
I understand the Refs were singing autographs outside the Cowboy locker room after the game…..lol
Lions have no one to blame if they go onto lose this game..
They played not to lose all 4th Quarter instead of playing to Win..
Way too conservative play-calling which allowed Cowboys to hang around
No….
I would say that Michael Vick was much better in every way than Marcus Mariota when he came out of college in 2001. Vick had success, and he was easily the best athlete of his time, but he never brought a super bowl to Atlanta.
40 QBs have been drafted in the first round since 2000 – only 4 have won super bowls. Those are piss poor odds, and I wouldn’t give up 4 first round picks for those odds.
Amen brother! many more busts than sure things!
chip would.
Songs,
I don’t know if Chip would give 4 first round picks for Mariota, but he is now in position to do just that, if he wants too.
I guess we will find out soon enough.
Just for the record – The Eagles beat 3 of the 4 teams that advanced this weekend. I guess they can beat some good (playoff) teams.
Unfortunately, we lost 3 out of our last four games to not make the playoffs! We choked when it counted!!!
Yes we did… and the fact that we were good enough to win two of those games makes it worse.
Irish, let it go bruh, let it go. We are not as good as those teams, regardless if we beat them, or not. It’s how you finish the season, & who is playing their best ball. Look at Seattle for example: They started the year horribly, & banged up, then when they got healthy, went on a tear, & look to repeat.
Chip Kelly Offers QB Nick Foles and the entire
2015/2016 Draft Picks to the Dallas Cowboys for
Tony Romo
Quotes from the Time Head of NFL Officiating Dean Blandino Was Caught Partying And Promising Favors to the Dallas Cowboys Earlier This Year
CBS – At issue is the perception of potential favoritism by other clubs, and the way these images are being perceived around the league.
“So, should I have my owner take him to a strip club when he visits us?” asked one team official, hypothetically. “Is that how it works? We like Dean a lot, but let me tell you, if that was him out with (the owner of a rival of the club this official works for), my owner would be going nuts. This just can’t happen.
“It shows a total lack of judgment, and common sense, to get on the bus in the first place. And then to get off of it in that setting? Yeah, we’ve got a big problem with that. It’s one thing to have a drink or two back in the hotel room or whatever, but this goes way beyond that. How does this not look like preferential treatment?”
“This is a league where everyone is looking for any edge they can possibly get, anything at all. And Dean is in a position where he is in communication with clubs all the time, teams are making sure officials are aware about what other teams are doing and what they should look for when they face them. I don’t care what anyone (at the league office) would try to tell you. To teams, this is definitely a big deal.”
I’ve watched football for a lot of years. What just happened to the Lions was one of the most suspicious, fishy, stinky, rigged finishes I’ve ever seen. There is just zero explanation to why that pass interference flag was picked up. I’m not saying it was 100% the right call originally. It was borderline. You could argue it either way. But what you can’t argue is that once that flag was thrown and the penalty was announced there is no way in hell it should have been picked up. The only and I mean only explanation is that Jerry Jones was on the phone with head of NFL referee’s Dean Blandino telling him that he would never be invited back on Jerry’s party bus again if he didn’t reverse this call. Literally no other explanation makes sense. You can’t just party with Jerry and not rig games when they matter. The Lions got Blandino’d plain and simple.
PS – On that 3rd down holding call against the Lions that led to the Cowboys go ahead TD? How about a hands to the face on Dallas? Oh right…Blandino’d.
Blandino tweeted that the refs totally fucked that call up and it was clearly DPI!!!
I’d trade up in a minute, were picking in the 20s for the next few years, how has those pickes worked for us the past few years (smith, Watkins) your getting fring players down there, were a secondaty n a few other players away from being a force, u go get maxwell, Worilds, that guard from the 49ers n Mariota n were set, dont forget, they said the rookies still on this team from the past two drafts that havent played was because of The starters playing good to beat them out so we do have young guys waiting, do it!!!’
I saw the headline to this article and knew there would be but one author , kolosky and one poster, songs, dumb enough or agenda ridden to promote this garbage
Kolosky you are one dumb mother
Jakedog, happy new year, the site has missed your complimentary tidbits, great to have you back.
I have been around kolosky. Do Your Research you dumb mother fucker
No Christmas card?
I wonder if Dez Bryant would fit into Chip’s culture?
I don’t know what Chip’s culture is… Is it a culture of hard work? – if so maybe Dez fits…. Is it a culture of cooperation? if so maybe Dez fits… Is it a culture of religious service? if so Dez might not fit.
I think it’s possible that Dez fits into some cultures that DJax don’t fit into, if that’s your point. I don’t know either of them, but I’m sure they are not interchangeable from an cultural standpoint.
Is Jeff Really Songs & Koolbreeze!!!!
Dang, I must be asleep at the wheel…
You’ve just entered the twilight zone’@v@’
Ha.. I thought I entered the “Twilight Zone”
When I first signed up on GCobb.Com some 4-5 years ago…
The Hits just keep Coming….
Totally stupid to go all in for Marcus Mariota, who will be a bust anyway – and set us back 4-5 years – No thanks.
Solidify the entire Defense with Free Agency, and the draft; OLB, ILB, S, CB Specifically, and for the Offensive Line, Peters successor, and the 3rd string QB.
I agree 100% GMCliff .
This is the Off-Season to finally address and upgrade the Talent across the board for Defense Starting with the Secondary & LB Positions
If not now, then when? Eagles will only Win 7-9 Games a Season with a Defense Ranking in the bottom 5 as it has the last 4 Seasons
To mortgage the Defense and Future Drafts for Mariotta would be
a killer for the Eagles Franchise and Coach Kelly himself..
Go with Foles in 2015, add a young QB to develop and Fix the Defense
And get a couple of OL to groom for Peters & Mathis have 1, maybe 2 at most, productive Seasons left in their bodies..
Chip should get his man…The honeymoon is over…Chip’s got the power, the juice now…next year you have to beat Dallas…you have to beat quality teams
You cant do it with Nick Foles…
So if you really feel that Mariota is a special player who can run your system Chip…
Make it happen…get your man Chip
Don’t put your fate in the hands of Nick Foles…he lead the league in turnovers and he will get you turnover-and out of a job!
Chip had his man before Breezy with Dennis Dixon, and how did that work out??
You imagine Mariota will give this team what we need,…..
but I think having him would only make things worse – He is TOTALLY overhyped – He is a college star only
I disagree gmcliff…he has excellent mobility, he’s smart, and a good arm.
He can flourish in Chip’s system…but I dont know how he translates to another system.
Chip doesn’t seem to think he is overhyped…Mariota is much better than Dennis Dixon who clearly was not good enough…I dont know that they will have enough to trade up and grab Mariota…But why throw away another year with the Foles/Sanchez combo. Bring in a young QB now and let him play…we know what we got with Foles/Sanchez…10 wins at best, wont beat the good teams.
We may as well get the young QB this year…take the shot for Mariota or Winston…if we cant get one of them then how does Chip see guys like Colorado State’s Garrett Grayson-strong arm, mobility, smart….he might be worth a look
We need to go in a different direction and bring in a QB with some mobility AND arm strength
Agreed 100% cliff
Should The Eagles Go All-In For Marcus Mariota?
2 words- Absolutely not! Too many holes, dire needs, & priorities. Go with Foles who is still under contract cheap, & must still prove himself, after getting hurt again, & regressing this season! ABSOLUTELY NOT!
What better hole to fill than the most important position in football?
The money …extra money rolled over can be used to address the secondary through free agency.
He’s not the answer Songs.
When Tampa Bay drafts him……..you will see what I mean……
You can’t tell you guys things, you have to wait until things play out – Like Johnny Manziel, Vontaze Burfict, Devon Still, Cary Williams, and Bradley Fletcher, and Howie Roseman.
oh, and Nerlens Noel
gmcliff, all I want to know, is where has Weaselman’s Public Relations crew of E0S, Izzell, & imbeciles gone, since all of this has gone down? FRAUDS! Don’t you love being vindicated? BTW, you are STILL wrong about Barwin. XD
LOL!!………..I don’t sweat it DCar, because it always comes around sooner, or later.
Connor Babin, I mean Connor Barwin is a fraud, and needs to be upgraded. Guy disappears against elite teams.
A lot of our guys disappeared this year against elite teams on both offense and defense. Connor Barwin is the very least of our concerns.
gmcliff, stubborn & rock headed, until the bitter end! SMFH…. LOL!!!!
You can’t bench Michael Jordan ( howie is the best talent evaluator)
Funniest thing I heard was Howie and his crew of scouts did a 12 hour a day everyday August through December extensive detailed reports of all college prospects ( senior and junior) and all NFL free agents ( restricted and unrestricted ) and Chip tossed it in the garbage can. Imagine Howie picking his master plan out of the garbage can with the orange and banana peels, used tissues, and coffee cup juices running out of the room to Jeff’s office. Chip literally is started the process from the beginning from scratch Monday morning with Tom Gamble. Even after Gamble dismissal Chip and yet to be named Head personal guy are just beginning the evaluation process while Howie has this spell checked 5400 hour plan sitting on his desk seething.
Lol please tell me how I am in your narrative right now?
Fool please. And happy New Years.
And what have you proven?
I am on record as being a Chip Guy. So the more power he has the better IMO. Lets us find out earlier what we have then a bunch of excuses.
He either gets it done or he doesnt. There is no “I didnt have my guys etc”
Should have been that way from the start.
Howie made some blunders and overplayed his hand….but that 2012 draft produced All Pros….and an All Pro FA in Barwin.
Doesnt excuse the disconnect at all this season that was fairly obvious in the draft and FA.
Bwahahahahahaha what did you say about Nerlens Noel? That you were dead wrong and dont know basketball?
Address the D.
NO. Way too risky. The obvious need on this team is defense, not offense. The Eagles ranked 5th in the league in offense. Why would you risk all of those draft picks on one player when you already have one of the best offenses in the league?
Instead, the Eagles need to focus on secondary. We are next to last in the league this past season with our defensive secondary. Marcus Mariota will not fix that issue.
Fuck the draft picks. To bring Chip Kelly in here and he can only run 60% of his offense because he doesn’t have his guy at QB is a crime. If that injury prone turnover machione Foles and that turnover machine Sanchez can avg 29 points in this offense just imagine what Marriota can do with the full playbook. He may average 40 points a game. As far as the picks the hell with the #1 picks you are 20 million under the cap so address the defense in FA and in rounds 2-7. Seattle has 1 first round draft pick in there secondary you don’t need #1 picks to address the secondary. Hell you may end up drafting a Morris Claiborne anyway. Spend the 20 plus million on FA and go heavy on defense the rest of the draft. Mariotta was hand picked and Chips guy made for his system why wouldn’t you do whatever it takes to get him? That’s his guy, not Foles not Sanchez. Fans worried about draft picks lol. We have had draft picks for 100 years. Hows that worked out. Sign Maxwell McCourty in FA. Problem solved.
the most sensible comment I’ve seen so far on this Dag.
Guys want the Eagles to address the secondary though the draft and know damn well they don’t trust Chip to pick the right guys.
What good is the draft if your QB continues to turnover the ball at an historical rate? Foles is not that important and neither Sanchez…We’ve seen Foles best in an anomaly types season and the team still stalled. Foles is alright but don’t have the speed, quick release, or pocket awareness to run this offense the way Chip designed it to run. Chip made adjustment because of Foles limitations which revolves around the running game but that don’t work without the threat of the long ball that came with Djax.
Teams will just continue to force this team to methodically go up and down the field knowing looking to force an eventual turnover.
If Chip think Mariota helps his offense as well as his defense by putting up more points per game then giving up some number ones and a player is a small price to pay.
Excellent points@daggolden…since Chip has made the power play…its now really all on him. Chip has to get his guy…NOW….no more trying to make it fit for injury prone, turnover machine Foles and his turnover machine sidekick Sanchez!
Get your guy Chip…whoever he is..
If the Eagles didn’t want a coach that was up-tempo and ran the read option then you shouldn’t have hired him. But now that he is here to cut 40% of his playbook because he doesn’t have the right QB is fucking dumb. Give him his guy.
Eagles knew when they signed Chip, he was not going to draft players or coach this team in a way that was going to win over everyone. He is a football guy, one who needs full control, and now he has it.
What he doesn’t have is “his” QB. Yes he can work with Foles, but not his guy. Mariota is his guy. All of these holes on defense…yet I’m willing to give up the first two picks of the draft the next 3 years? For…prospects in the 20 somethings and 50 somethings as the Eagles remain in the playoff mix for the next 3 seasons.. Yes, yes and yes. As the offensive line gets older, as Shady is still in his prime, and while we have young guys like Matthews, Ertz, Kendricks, Cox, Thorton, Logan…yes I’m ready. (I left Marcus Smith out…woops. first round picks..)
Time for the Secondary….
I’m trading Boykin, Carroll is now a backup safety, and Watkins is my 4th CB.
I’m fully rebuilding my secondary with the following players. They fit the build as far as height/weight/speed Kelly likes, they are young and affordable.
Strong Safety Da’Norris Searcy (BUFF)
Cornerbacks- Chris Culliver (SF), Byron Maxwell (SEA), Davon House (GB)
LB’s
Cole is going to re-do his deal, and although Ryans is coming back from his injury..his age…Chip loves him, and what Chip wants..well…he gets. Spikes formally of New England who played with Buffalo last year is really the only legit ILB out there when free agency hits that I think would be a good fit for the Eagles in a starting role.
Goodbye Casey, I wish i could say the same about Cooper, but he is making too much.
The Eagles will need to add some depth to the offensive line, LB core and replace the role of Graham if a combination of Smith/Curry is not enough.
Let Foles/Mariota battle it out during training camp, and if Mariota isn’t ready, Foles starts the season. We haven’t seen the same QB start and finish the season since Chip arrived, so Mariota by week 7 at the latest…
Perfectly stated.
Just Dumb Jeff.
And I view you as one of the smartest individuals that writes on here. For instance the trading of Boykins…Genius, and correct move.
But, I don’t think Mariota is even an NFL Starting QB…This is not College. He is a COLLEGE Football Superstar. What makes you so sure that he can play in this league??……What makes you so sure that his talents, and accomplishments at Oregon will translate to Chips NFL Offense, or the NFL period..
I say he would do no better than Dennis Dixon did for the Eagles. He was a Chip Kelly trained guy – and he was thought of in Heisman conversations when he was in College as well – but the NFL, is a totally different animal
– ask Johnny Manziel – it was a circus with him before, and after the combine, because everyone was so excited about his potential – which was crap just like I said it would be.
I know Mariota is a much better QB; and I agree with that – but He won’t be the last player to play in an Offense cluttered with talent to mask the understated inabilities with the overstated abilities because of the success of the team as a whole……..So why sell the farm for him??
I respectfully disagree with you
I am not sure what Value, a Part-Time Slot CB Boykin’s returns…
maybe a 5th Rounder at Best… You may as well hang onto him…
I’m not convinced mariota will work out. His pocket passing skills are alright but nothing to brag about. Arm strength not great… foles may have a better arm. My take on mariota is merely due to the head coach. He has a specific system that needs a certain someone to make it run at the highest of levels. If the only way for it to work is for a push to get mariota I’m on board. If another option he feels could be his his guy by trade for vet or someone not named mariota. . That’s fine..but a change in qb is needed. As for the defensive secondary. ..the 4 players listed I really feel allows us to focus on other areas in the draft. Offensive line, defensive tackles and ends are the strength of this draft. We would have to trade up for a cb. .no safety is worth taking in round 1.. and it’s hard to draft another lb after what happened last year…
Dennis Dixon wasn’t no Mariota……even in college so don’t go there.
Dennis Dixon was not considered no where near a number 1 over all draft pick.
So Please!
But Dixon is an Oregon, Chip Kelly Product that ran his system, making my point, that just because he comes from Oregon, and played in his College system doesn’t mean he is our savior at QB.
Before he, (Dixon) got hurt, he WAS considered a Heisman Candidate, and although not the # 1 pick, still, a potential 1st Rounder nonetheless Songs……
We don’t need Mariota, and don’t need to make ourselves weaker at other positions more than we already are to draft an overrated QB.
Before Dixon got hurt they were probably going to win the Championship that year I believe. That was a huge blow.
and still Dixon was never a legitimate Prospect at QB in the NFL
A nice College Player, but not an NFL QB similar to Tim Tebow,
Johnny Football, Akilli Smith, etc,etc
No one is disputing that….the narrative though that he could never win the big one etc was foolish. That was their year….they were a juggernaut with Dixon. They lost to Auburn on a FG.
You would be correct IJ….
Paul, no one knew that before Dixon got to the Pros, but even in Chip Kelly’s Pro System he couldn’t cut it..
I wouldn’t be so confident that Mariota will be anything different, just because he is the latest, and greatest…..
Guy’s do this every year the draft comes up – They think these prospects College highlights, are NFL Highlights, and their accomplishments in college don’t even translate to the NFL.
This is emphasized more by none other than Heisman Trophy WINNERS…
C’mon gmcliff….you have to assess QB’s in systems. It’s very rare that a read-option QB can play in a classic, pocket passing based offense. Thus it’s no surprise that Manziel is struggling in Cleveland. He is better suited to what Chip Kelly is trying to do.
Let’s face it…Foles does not fit this offense. You can’t run a read option offense with a slow footed QB… It doesn’t work on the NFL level.
If you are going to keep Foles adjust the offense, get a fullback to help block, get some physical offensive linemen, run from the I-formation and do a lot of play action passes where your fullback can help block and Foles can check down or go to the tight ends more..
If Chip is unwilling to adjust the offense and get rid of the read option stuff….he has to get the QB that fits his system. A QB with speed, a strong arm, and can make good quick decisions.
Kool, Dennis Dixon, ran Chip Kelly’s system, and was suppose to show Foles how to run his system, and found himself on the Practice Squad again….it means nothing in the pros.
It’s stupid to sell the farm for him making yourself weaker at other positions, for someone who isn’t even going to be a good pro…
Koolbreeze,
It’s rare that a read/option QB can play in ANY pro type offense – the NFL passing concepts are much too sophisticated, compared to what they did in college.
The passing offense that Chip Kelly runs with the Eagles is nothing like what he used at Oregon. Manziel and Mariotta would be starting from scratch with the Eagles,
If you don’t believe me, read Jaws and GCobb’s words:
ESPN NFL analyst and my former teammate with the Eagles, Ron Jaworski weighed in on Chip Kelly’s offense and whether he thought it was going to work in the NFL. He said categorically, “No”, he didn’t think it would work on the NFL level.
“I just don’t see NFL passing concepts in this offense,” Jaworski said. “It’s a movement offense by the quarterback, off the run action, off the read action — a lot of short, quick passes, dart routes, bubble screens — very few plays down the field with NFL passing concepts.”
“It’s easy to say, ‘Yeah, it worked in college”, Jaworski said. “Then I looked at a game like Stanford. Stanford, a good defensive football team, shut them down. I hope it works. I like the innovation, but I think it’s going to be very difficult.”
“The NFL is a different league with fast players that have all week to prepare for you,” he said. “At the collegiate level, you have 20 hours to prepare for that Oregon offense. Take out three hours of game time — you’ve got 17 hours to prepare in the course of a week to pratice and prepare for that style of offense. It kills you in college. But in the NFL, these guys work 17 hours a day. A day. Not a week. So there’s no secrets.”
Jaws is right about Kelly’s Oregon attack not having a sophisticated passing attack. His throwing game in college wasn’t on an NFL level, but that’s why Kelly hired former Cleveland Browns head coach and former Eagles quarterback coach Pat Shurmur to add the West Coast offense system to the offensive attack. Their passing attack is going to feature concepts and plays from the West Coast offense.
Kelly wisely realized that the passing attack he used in Oregon needed to be drastically improved. Hiring Shurmur and putting him in charge of the passing game is acknowledging what Jaws said.
Manziel can’t play in the NFL, it’s that simple! System, no system, he’s not an NFL QB. He’s inaccurate, arm is to weak and he is to small. His strength in college is not a strength in the pros. He is much slower against NFL caliber talent. The 2 games he played in at the end of the year showed that. He could not even last 3 quarters in the second game he started. In his first game the Bengals shut him out. A lot of good his mobility did him in both games…lol.
He is a Canadian league guy or Arena League type of QB. Manziel, Tahj Boyd, all the same.
Irish, you have to start from scratch..I agree with Jaws…but the problem is simple. Nick Foles is no Tom Brady dissecting defenses with a complicated passing attack.
He cant read defenses.
So when Jaws says: “It’s a movement offense by the quarterback, off the run action, off the read action — a lot of short, quick passes, dart routes, bubble screens:
Foles slow release, his slow reads, his poor footwork,and nervousness in the pocket kills this quick action feature of the offense, he hurts the running game, with his poor reads and inability to hurt the defense with his legs.
So yes the offense has ‘some’ pro elements in the passing game but it is so easy for top rated defenses to defend…because Foles cant execute effectively the innovative parts of Kelly’s attack.
So here is where we are: if Kelly goes with Foles he has to build his offense around Foles and drop the ‘quick action’ elements that Jaws is describing….he has to slow down…Foles is too slow physically and mentally to run this offense!
Foles needs to be in a simple offense that runs the ball from the I-formation, and use play action to set up intermediate easy passes to tight ends, running backs…with some occasional passes to the receivers. passes the ball with a fullback that can help block for him. …he needs to huddle up
So there are your choices…keep Foles and change your offensive concepts to work in the NFL…go to a power running game instead of the spread formations Kelly loves…
You have to revamp the offensive line and be more like the Dallas offense.
But if you keep this offense you have to go and get a QB that can make it work…there is no in between…going with Nick Foles in this current offense you are simply giving away a year…its best to go with a young guy who has the skill set to play in this offense…instead of delaying the development of the offense by going with Foles…
Bust the move…get your man Chip…or change your offense!
One or the other…cant do both!
Koolbreeze,
Jaws described what Chip ran in college.
This is what would not work in the NFL.—> “I just don’t see NFL passing concepts in this offense,” Jaworski said. “It’s a movement offense by the quarterback, off the run action, off the read action – a lot of short, quick passes, dart routes, bubble screens — very few plays down the field with NFL passing concepts.”
You can think what you want koolbreeze, but the simple fact is over 50% of the plays the Eagles run are WCO passing plays.There is a very small percentage of read/option plays run by any NFL team. Most of the Eagles running plays a straight hand-offs… Same with the 49ers, and Seahawks.
As far as the Eagles offensive line “zone blocking scheme”, and “single-back formation – that has been used by many teams, for years. Joe Gibbs used the single-back base offense in the 70s. Close to half the NFL use “zone blocking”, and most NFL teams run a single-back offense… It has nothing to do with the speed of the QB.
Chip Kelly’s offense works because he calls a great game. When a defense reacts to one thing, he does something else. And he does it all very fast. Chip Kelly is a great play caller. All he needs is players that execute. Foles did that very well when he had protection. He didn’t do it very well under pressure.
A guy that runs fast is not going to execute the offense any better – he will just run away faster when things breakdown…
Chip disagrees with you.. He disagreed with you when he named nick starter, fired Vick, drafted Barkley, signed Sanchez…
He disagreed when he didn’t draft smith, Boyd, Manziel etc
Irish Eagle:
I never said that ALL Eagle running plays were read options, but you may as well take it out of your playbook with Nick Foles. The Eagles run read option a lot more than other teams in the league…it is a staple of Chip Kelly’s offense and a part of his plan to make defenses have to defend the entire field.
“A guy that runs fast is not going to execute the offense any better”
Stop it, stop it, stop it…Foles problem is not simply that he cant run fast…EVERYTHING Foles does is SLOW.
He doesn’t think fast either, he has a slow delivery…Nick Foles is one of the slowest QB’s in the league and I’m not talking at all about his 40 time….He cant read defenses so ANY pressure bothers him more than most QB’s.
Joe Flacco is slow like Foles but he thinks faster, he has a much stronger arm, he is a much better QB
This goes to your point here:
“Foles did that very well when he had protection. He didn’t do it very well under pressure.”
This is true…but its true with any QB..Here is when Foles has been successful:
1.With DJax-his speed and elite abilities forced d-coordinators to keep a safety deep. He gave Foles plenty of wide open field…defenders playing off of DJax gave Foles easy completions and also gave Riley Cooper more room to run routes and have easier completions. DJax is gone, the field is not as open because teams dont fear Maclin like DJax…
2. The Offensive line is healthy and dominating. The O-line did that against teams like Oakland, Tampa, and other teams with poor pass rushers and weak defensive lines. Giving Foles all day to scan the field, set his feet, and deliver the ball.
3. The Eagles running the ball successfully with Shady
When Foles stinks
1. When he gets ANY pressure at all..A couple of sacks on Foles, a hit or two and he falls apart and cant’ execute.We saw this with Foles in games against Dallas last year and San Francisco this year where Foles was putrid…rattled, shook, and scared. A little pressure on Foles and he falls apart.
2. When the Offensive Line is not dominating…the O-Line was hurt this year and did not play as well but on too many plays Foles had a lot of time the O-Line protection was there…but Foles was holding the ball, confused, couldn’t read the defense and hit open receivers…couldn’t anticipate …was guessing a lot of times and throwing it to the other team.
3. When he gets nervous and hit a few times…Foles wont step up into the pocket he throws the ball up for grabs with extremely slow and poor footwork..
IN the Eagles offense, the Qb needs to have functional mobility…he does not have to be extremely fast…he should have a nice strong arm and the ability to react, be able to process information better….read the field and anticipate…Foles gives you none of that…
I don’t see those things at all when I watch Foles play.
What I saw from Foles this year was a QB who took a pounding behind the worse offensive line in the NFL, with very little time in the pocket.
And despite having the worse offensive line in the NFL, was forced to throw nearly 40 times/game. And despite having very little time in the pocket Foles was only sacked 9 times on 311 drop-backs. Compare that to Sanchez who was sacked 23 times on 309 drop-backs.
I guess you will have to hope Chip Kelly is as blind as you, koolbreeze.
Can we please stop with the Marriota nonsense? I might be much more willing to entertain this idea if we weren’t drafting at 20? The Skins gave up something along the lines of 3 firsts and a 2nd to move up four spots. I can’t even begin to fathom what it would take to move up 16 spots.
Also, what makes everyone so sure that Marriota will succeed at the NFL level? When was the last Heisman winning QB to amount to anything in the NFL?
Michael Vick seemed like the “PERFECT” fit for Kelly’s offense and he crumbled going 1-3 I think in his first four starts. Why should we be lead to believe Marriota would be any different?
Sorry, meant to say 19 spots.
100% Correct btc!!!!
The Eagles will get down to a more comfortable draft position to pull off the trade well before the draft.
Mike Vick got hurt and he is always hurt…you cant fit any system hurt sitting on the sidelines hurt all of the time. Foles had one good stretch and outside of that he has been sitting on the sidelines way too much as well…either because of his poor performance (could not beat Vick out of the job) or injury
The Honeymoon with Chip is over…going with Foles is not going to work.
Lets stop with the Foles/Sanchez nonsense and get another QB who can run the system…get your QB Chip because no one is going to give you the slightest pass if you trot Foles back out there for another turnover plagued season where we miss the playoffs
I have seen a lot of Mariotta and his success is similar to that of Brett Hundley. They both are very athletic, but they are both not super accurate downfield passers. There numbers look great because of a lot of quick outs and a lot of wide open WRs.
I am not saying that he is a bad QB. He may be a good QB, but not enough to give up the world for him just because we have had some bad draft picks. Why not try to solve that problem to build the talent level of this team? Lord knows that there are a lot of holes to fill.
Exactly. I’d rather go after Hundley given the cost of getting Marriotta and the other pressing needs we have. I can’t recall any successful organization who mortgaged the farm for a player and let alone had it pan out for them.
Can’t accuracy down field be taught to these young guys?
Heath Shuler was a guy who was celebrated for an accurate long ball coming out of college.
How did that go?
I think you guys are missing the point that Mariota have a greater chance to succeed if he’s in Chip’s offense.
He very well may fail in Tampa if they don’t bring in the offense that maximizes his skill set.
That’s why it makes sense for Mariota to play for Chip.
Mariota will get drafted within the first 3 picks you know?
He will be in the NFL and it might as well be with Chip, then we’ll know for sure if this offense can win it all for us.
How many times we see Foles slow as hell on a boot read option..remember near the goal line?
That play design will only work down there if the QB is a threat to take it in himself.
If Chip thinks Mariota will make the world of difference for this team then the decision to give up some high picks is a no brainer.
How many Marcus Smith’s would you give up for your starting QB who will lead your team for the next 10 years?
Marcus Smith’s are what the Eagles pick on defense in the first round anyway.
And this will continue to be the issue in the Chip kelly era. Needing a certain type of QB to maximize his offense. Where do you get that guy? How do you trade up that far without 100% certainty that he can be a highly effective QB. If I am going to trade the house for a player, especially a QB, he has to be more than a system QB, which in my opinion, Mariota is. As a fan, I have to factor in how long Barney Rubble, I mean Chip Kelly will actually be with the team to determine if trading up is worth it. Chip can give away picks, draft his guy, then leave in two years, then the Eagles are stuck with drek, and no first round picks for two more years.
This defense must be fixed, come hell or high water, and to be perfectly honest, looking at the talent Chip has brought in from this past draft, I don’t know if I can trust him to do that. Chip kelly is pigeon holed due to the type of player he wants, not just talent, and physical dimension wise, but culture wise. 10-6 is nice, but not good enough. Rich Kotite, Ray Rhodes, and Andy Reid, all made the playoffs in their second year, and won the game. Chip went 10-6 both years, but no playoff win, and his second year produced no playoff appearance….clearly a regression. I don’t think Chip deserves this much power after two years and no playoff wins, and a suspect draft in his lap. This draft and FA period will tell us all the direction in which this franchise is headed in. I agree with mhenski, Chip will probably fuck up this draft picks, but I am not certain I am ready to mortgage the future yet.
I know I was all over the place on this post, just venting. I am not happy with the direction that the Eagles organization is headed right now!!
Hundley stinks…plain, and simple
I agree. I thought that he was going to really develop and he didn’t. He still stares down recievers and doesn’t go through progressions. He is a run first guy.
I do not get this Mariota nonsense. The kid is excellent in college and perfect fit for that system…but that doesnt mean what he does in college will translate to the pros.
The better prospect is Winston but he is so immature and a headcase that investing in him also is scarier than hell.
On physiology alone….Mariotta would never be able to stand a full season with that playing style in the NFL. 3 QBs are built to run that system (RW, Kap, Cam) and two are only adequate (Kap, Cam) RW is an anomaly and rare. Mariotta is built similarly to RG3 who is/was a much better athlete by far and still couldnt hold up to that physical pounding.
On top of that….mortgage the future for one player? With as many spots we have to fill on this team?
Winston will be a better pro but I think he’s staying at FSU because he knows there are holes in his game right now. If Tampa takes Mariotta and expects him to be a traditional pocket QB that will make all the throws they will be sadly mistaken, can he even make the correct pre snap reads? My guess is nope.
I think he is staying to hopefully have one year of no nonsense and be the consensus no.1 pick…..
IMO its pretty much inevitable that he will be cutting a huge check to the accuser so it doesnt go to civil….and with the slotted draft rules he might now want to take a chance on a draft day tumble.
However I wouldnt touch him….just to much going on with him and his dad may be worse than RG3s dad.
I would be extremely surprised if Jameis goes back to FSU! All of the nonsense that went on with him there, It would probably be best if he left. He is a guaranteed top 10 pick, even with the baggage. Any coaching or game refinement in terms of mechanics and decision making can be made in the pros.
Does he take coaching though….the stuff Jimbo Fisher let him get away with in college wont work in the NFL. You will definitely need a middle man between him and the coach like Andy Reid was for Brett Favre and Mike Holmgren.
That sideline with him and Jimbo Fisher would be headline news if he did that to his coach in the NFL.
They won’t truly know until he is in camp. i read hat Johnny Manziel’s interviews were off the charts at the combine, when he got to camp, it was a Jeckyll and Hyde situation. Looking at Winston’s competitiveness and desire to win, i think he would, especially in the pros. Only time will tell. Honestly, he is going to be who he is, I don’t think another year at FSU would change his coach-ability.
Two biggest upgrades have to be at CB and ILB. Cornerback is the most obvious but ILB is just as big.
You need a quality ILB to allow Kendricks to do what he does best and that is attack the line and roam. You have to have someone next to him that is steady makes the calls etc and can cover.
DeMeco was that guy but counting on a guy with an achillees is ridiculous. Allow him to heal up and sign him cheap for insurance. If he plays himself into shape than you have a Jeremiah Trotter situation all over again.
LOL..I agree, but Chip made it clear, he wants DeMeco back. ILB’s Eric Kendricks, Shaq Williams, Bernardick McKinney will all be good players to draft for the ILB position.
Chip wanting DeMeco Ryans back means very little until he is medically cleared and there are no guarantees at Age 30 that a NFL LB returns to form from a Severe torn Achilles, In fact I would plan against his return to Top Form and plan on replacing him now
Erick Kendricks is too Small to play everydown ILB at the NFL Level and would get gobbled up by NFL OL.. Kendricks goes 5-10″ at most and about 230lbs and really doesn’t have the Frame to put on much more weight– I see him as a Rover, A Nickel LB/Safety Type to cover TE’s, Maybe be a Spy on Teams with Running QB’s and Player Special Teams, but he is way too small to man the Interior in the Eagles Base-Defense as a 3-Down LB…
Eric kendricks is 6’0″ 230, that is his listed sizein every report I have read on him he is actually bigger than Mychal (5’11”)height wise. I also believe he has the build to pack on 10 more pounds of muscle. paul, I am sure he is taller than 5’10”, Now, the kid you put on one of your eagles drafts, Denzel perryman is 5’10” 244. You know CJ Mosely 6’2″ 235. Weight distribution is equal, to think the kid can’t pack on 10 pounds of muscle is silly, as his family genetic tree does not indicate or suggest that…i.e., Mychal has packed on muscle since he came into the league. I think you underestimate Erick Kendrick’s play and ability.
I watched the game the other Night and the Announcer stated he was 5-10″ and a stretch at even thqat.. on most Listings, you can always shed at least 1 Inch..
I remember Temple Listing Safety J Jarrett at 6-0 200lbs and he comes to Indy Combine and measures 5-10 and 186lbs….
I do not think Erick is an NFL Every-Down Player at LB in the NFL…
Oh well if the announcer said it there you go. He must have sized him up with a tape measure during pre-game warm ups. I am not buying that.
I do know a lot of times guys heights are embellished by an inch or so. So that means that the guys you like, Chris Borland is 5′”9, and Denzell Perryman is like 5’10”-5’11”. Keep in mind, in a 34, D-Tackles are to keep the backers clean. I think he would be fine. Hell, Najee Good is listed as 5’10”, and the Eagles loved him. I think Erick kendricks is waaaay better than Najee Goode!
I watched that UCLA game the other night too. I DVR’d it so when I go back to watch it again I will be listening closely for the analyst to hear him say that. Just not buying 5’10” though.
It was Early to Mid 2nd Quarter
Regardless of what announcer says, use your eye’s
this Erick Kendricks is Small
Kansas State called a timeout with like 35 seconds left in knee down victory formation and pulled a dive at Brett Hundley’s knees Tampa Bay style when Greg Schiano was their coach. UCLA coach Jim Mora called Bill Snyder an asshole and dissed him 30 seconds later at the post game hand shake.
So you are implying that I am not. TV does not allow you to accurately measure one’s size…television and human optics does not allow that to happen. You can only compare guys sizes. I don’t think he is 5’9″ or 5’10”. We will find out during combine. I trust those measurements. To be continued!!!
Foles don’t play that style and have never started a complete season without injury, so I don’t know what mean by that. What style does Foles have that leads to season ending injuries?
This weekends Playoff football was telling..a dominant defense in the playoffs can take you to the promise land…Baltimore …Detroit for 3 and 3/4 of football …get suh …plug him in with cox and Kendrick and reak havoc …use the draft to fill a
Glaring hole ..don’t reach and mortgage the farm for a system qb …if anything the league has shown that in the playoffs (well see how Russell Wilson ) performs vs Carolina ..a read option qb isn’t as desired as a pocket passer with some mobility…the formula for wins in the playoffs is and always will be the top 5 defenses in the league usually prevails..not putting up 40 ,and holding on ,in a shoot out…is a formula for a quick exit..balance up and down the offense and a superior defense …and having the refs in your back pocket …
Man if Suh ended up here with Cox on the line…..
OMG, that would be a juggernaut of a line!!! What do you think Suh will command money wise? And would Chip/Howie give it to him. Suh would immediately upgrade the entire defense, front and back end.
Does Suh fit chip’s culture?
Suh not interested in Philly or any Defense that runs a 3-4 Scheme
He wants to remain in a 4-3 and I expect the Bears,Cowboys,Bengals and Falcons to go hard after him if he hits the Market…
You Guys can take him off your “Wish List”
Where did you read that?
Translation Eagle….Paul, just doesn’t like him, so he doesn’t want him.
In the words of Nino Brown “Money talks, bullshit walks”!
Eagle, my good man – Ozzie Myers coined the phrase “Money talks, bullshit walks”!
I don’t waste time thinking about Players that I know that aren’t come to play for the Eagles whether it’s not a good Fit System,Finances,Age or Culture wise…
Just like Darrelle Revis, Justin Houston are not coming to Philly
either is NT Suh… It is what it is…No sense in crying about it.. Go Find other Players and Coach them Up..
Irish…thanks. First I heard it was on New Jack City. Great movie!!!
Eagle – If you ever want some entertainment, Google “Ozzie Myers” and read about the proud moment in Philadelphia political history when Congressman Ozzie Myers was seen on video telling an undercover FBI agent – “money talks and bullshit walks…. lol
I’ve dreamed about that IJ…..that WOULD BE SOMETHING
Why does this not surprise me… Keep on Napping Cliff and keep having those Dreams..
If Tampa picks Mariota then they are either going to install a spread/read-option type system or Lovie is going to be writing his ticket out of town.
History is pretty clear on taking pure spread QBs and transitioning them to the NFL. It’s not pretty. And Mariota hasn’t shown anything to suggest he’d be any different.
Right on point TS.
I wonder if the Dion Jordan Miami Dolphin trade discussion will resurface.
There are a few things that are based upon speculation ,but that’s what makes a blog interesting..what if next year smith becomes a beast and emerges as a talented pass rusher ? Whomever made that pick ,declares ,justification..the art of picking players from the elite squads all the way down ,is so much a crap shoot..why in this techno age are more guys misses than hits? Coaching…is a huge piece of that …the Eagles must make an honest assessment of all there coaches ,address and upgrade the organizational pyramid..retain players and have them give home team discounts when needed…there now is one voice …that’s fine with me,but make sure that person can handle the duality of the role…telling a guy he’s going to be lighter in the wallet ,and being his coach is a very difficult fine line..that will be a learning curve for Chip..it’s always been a copy cat league ,so let’s see how the playoffs play out and try to beat firstly the team in your division …we’ve done that this year with a back up qb…drafting talent in the right slots is key …the economics of the game ,dictates that …the Eagles are in the Now phase in year 3 ….the team has holes on one side of the ball..don’t be deluded to go after the pretty girl at the dance ,only to find in proper lighting she ain’t all that …
Suh or marriota ….boy George culture glee club or broad street bullies…easy call
We haven’t had a push up the middle since Jerome (r.i.p) this with a real defensive coordinator could make the Eagles a force for the next 4/5 years..if we learned one thing..good pass rush ,without gimmicks ..just man on man push is very disruptive ..it makes your back ends responsibilities so much easier …find and draft a hard hitting back end guy and get a cover corner (he’s on the roster ) boykin…it doesn’t matter if your horizontally challenged if the qb is on the ground…
Eagles 2015 Mock Draft (Version #8)
1st Rd (20th) – OT TJ Clemmens (Pittsburgh 6-5 310lbs)
2nd Rd (52nd) – DE/OLB Arick Armstead (Oregon 6-7 295lbs)
3rd Rd (84th) – Safety Anthony Harris (Virginia 6-1 195lbs)
4th (from Buffalo) – CB Cam Thomas (Louisville 6-1 190lbs)
4th Rd – QB Brandon Bridge (South Alabama 6-5 235lbs)
5th Rd – ILB Stephon Anthony (CLemson 6-2 245lbs)
6th Rd – WR Dezmin Lewis (Central Arkansas 6-4 215lbs)
7th Rd – CB CB SaQwan Edwards (New Mexico 6-1 190lbs)
Paul, Cliff have you watched the kid from Georgia Tech, WR Darren Waller – 6’5′ 240. Reminds me of Marques Colston. He will be a mid round pick. A good developmental prospect who catches with his hands, good foot work, knows how to get open and shield defenders with his body while attacking the ball.
Yes on Darren Waller who is a nice downfield blocker as all GT WR’s are since they run the ball so much … His Route Running needs work as all young WR’s need. but he definitely has some promise
Paul..I contend suh is a unique player ,he can be the only player based upon his physical speed and strength that could fit a 3-4 …disagree
He can easily play in a 3-4 Desert, but Suh has stated that that’s not what he wants to play in .. He doesn’t want to be Double/Tripled Teams on every snap by the Center & Guards..
He likes the 4-3 Scheme where he can move around a bit and has another big body Teammate playing alongside of him at the other DT position
Suh isn’t taken orders he is giving them. Who ever hires Suh is going to do what he wants on the defensive line not what they want him to do.
Exactly which is why he will land on a Team with a 4-3 Scheme and not even consider the Eagles..
Unfortunately Washington is going to rebuild their defense this off season with a new Defensive Coordinator and they have a lot cash to spend, more than the eagles and will be pushing the price tag up especially on Safeties.
Similar to the Eagles Defense, Redskins need 2 Safeties and at least 1 CB
and LB Depth… Their DL is pretty young but could use upgrades
They are trying for Vic Fangio of the 49ers who hasn’t decided what he wants to do just yet (Stay in the NFL or Rejoin Harbargh at Michigan or just stay with the 49ers for 2015 and then Retire)
I see everyone saying Mariota won’t make it cause he’s a college guy who excelled in a system, isn’t that what evrryone said about Chip? I remember him being compared to spurrier n Saban, said his college system would never work in the NFL, After two seasons of topping his own record we don’t hear that anymore, same with Mariota, you can talk that college shit all u want, he comes here he’s gonna light it up.
Based on what exactly Andrew?
I think Mariotta can play well in the NFL, but it’s going to take 2 Years or so.. He has a thin frame at 210lbs and won’t last long in a heavy Read-Option Package and will have to develop as a under the Center Pocket Passer which will be an adjustment.. His Arm Strength is average at Best… I have him as a 2nd Round Grade as far as upside Potential as a NFL QB… I have QB Winston as a mid-level 1st Round grade and all the other QB’s as 2nd/3rd & 4th Round Grades even though
it’s very likely that both Mariotta/Winston go in the Top 5 due to the bottom feeder Teams in dire need of a QB (TB Bucs/Titans/Jets)
Based on the same argument everyone said about Chip, everyone said his college system would never work in the NFL, he set a franchise point record in year one n broke it in year two, Mariota on this team with the system that won him the heisman, you guys want to look at it on the negative go ahead but I heard it all about Chip too, in my opion I believe if Chip gets him he will come in n not skip a beat from day one.
Andrew,
Chip’s college system has never been used with the Eagles. The reason Pat Shurmur was hired by Kelly was to install a NFL level passing game on top of Chip’s college zone blocking running game.
People who think Mariotta knows Chip Kell’s NFL system are wrong. Kelly used a (naive) college passing game at Oregon – not what you see the Eagles doing today.
Mariotta would come in here and have to learn to play in a NFL style passing game just like the other QBs that have come out of Oregon… e.g. Dennis Dixon.
Marcus Mariota is just as big a risk as any other 1st round quarterback.
Chip’s needs to excel in coaching against high caliber playoff teams, barely making it across the 50 yard line against the 49ers and Seahawks is not excelling. Losing 3 out of 4 last games, one against a woeful redskins team is not excelling. His system and coaching is good against average to well below average teams,I would not say Chip has excelled yet. Win a playoff round or two first.
It all starts with the QB Eagleshaslanded….you cant bring a dull knife to a high powered gun fight! Chip has to drop the notion that says well I can just “fit” my system to whatever QB…
Not in the NFL
Mariota has the skill set that Chip needs in a QB…
With Shady, Maclin, Ertz, Matthews, a good offensive line
Mariota has enough natural talent to pull it off
Bust the move Chip…get your man…another year with Foles is a waste of time, sets you back two years really because your not going to resign Foles to a new deal. See if you can find a sucker team that will give you a 4 or 5th round pick for Foles…draft a young QB and bring in a vet.
So hot air what your saying is you know what kind of qb chip needs more than chip?
So chip has been ‘shy’ with personel? He has talent he safe route with personnel? Really that is so fucking interesting!
haveablunt…so what you are saying is that you and Chip are best buds and he told you that he needs Nick Foles?
We are all speculating and guessing here haveablunt!
Put the weed down and you will better understand this is a football forum not an Eagles management office!
classic chicken shit dumb bell cant even answer a question.
heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee haw
I said nothing about nick foles. I said nothing about knowing chip kelly —
what i did was make an observation- he has brought in and/or kept 3 non mobile qb’s and shipped one mobile qb (who knew the system) out–
so my question which you seem to avoid is, ok here it comes for the umpteenth time: ready? here it is:
WHY DO YOU KEEP INSISTING ON A ‘CHIP KIND OF QB’ WHEN CHIP HIMSELF KEEPS BRINGING IN QB’S THAT AREN’T ‘CHIP KIND OF QB’S’? its simple, I have not implied anything… i asked a simple question.
Coaching, and playing…….. are 2 different Hurdles to jump Drew
Your analogy is flawed brother…
Chip has been coaching for years on a high level…..You can’t say the same for Mariota’s experience, and abilities
Alabama SS Landon Collins looked in pain against Ohio State. Some Buckeye tattooed him in the shoulder. Is that a worry going forward? Is this a repeating injury?
How far does Oregon CB Ifo Ekpre-Olomu fall in the draft because of knee injury? Aaron Colvin hurt himself last year and appears to be a bargain as a 4th round injury chance by the Jags.
Landon Collins was hurt putting his shoulder down to tackle the OSU QB Cardale Jones who is 6’5″ 250. I do not believe he has an injury history at all, he will be ok. He will not be around by the time the Eagles pick though.
EHL would you give up the Eagles 3rd round draft pick to move up to get Landon Collins from 20 to (11- 15) —–last year the Saints moved form the 27th selection to the 20th selection to get WR Brandon Cooks for a 3rd rounder (91st). Cleveland moved from 26th to the 22nd for a a 3rd rounder (83rd).
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It cost the Eagles a 4th rounder to move up to get Brandon Graham from #24 to #13. It cost the Eagles a 4th and 6th to move up to get Fletcher Cox from #15 to #12.
I like Collins, but I can get Anthony Harris, Cody Prewitt, or Jaquisky Tart in the second or third round. To answer your question, No! Not because I don’t believe in his ability, but we need to much. We are not in a position to give up picks in rounds 1-4. If Collins was a Dawkins, yes I would, but I don’t see him being that!
Good answer EHL,
Collins is a Good Player, but is not that much better a NFL Prospect
as the 3 Players you mentioned that are 2nd Rounders for sure..
85% of the Alabama Players get Drafted a Round or Two too soon simply for Playing for Alabama and the success it has..
nate allen was given a one year deal probably as insurance last year. The birds may have envisioned Clinton Dix or Earl Wolfe or Ed Reynolds getting that spot. They can’t give Nate Allen another contract, can they?
Ti be honest, the Eagles got a Great Deal on Nate Allen in 2014
With a ton of Injuries at the Safety Position this Season, half the Teams in the NFL would have have loved to have Nate Allen on that 1 Year deal the Eagles did..
Teams like the Ravens,Saints,Bears,Panthers,Redskins,Colts,Bengals,Texans, went thru a Ton of Safety’s in 2014
I just hope Chip understands that type of thinking when it comes to the draft. To hear him say, “It doesn’t matter what round you get your guy in, as long as you get him” is bone chillingly terrifying!!!
Below is the latest guy on the Eagles GM wish list, I will say this, the Lions record over the past 15 years speaks for itself but I will say, they sure did draft some really good players over those years.
Lions vice president of pro personnel Sheldon White has emerged as the latest potential candidate for the Eagles’ general manager vacancy, according to the NFL Network.
SHELDON WHITE TO INTERVIEW FOR THE EAGLES GM POSITION
Lions vice president of pro personnel Sheldon White has emerged as the latest potential candidate for the Eagles’ general manager vacancy, according to the NFL Network.
The report came in the form of a tweet from the NFL Network’s Ian Rappoport, who wrote that White is “expected to interview” for the job.
The 49-year-old White, who played from 1988 through 1993 with the Giants, Lions and Bengals, has been with the Lions for 18 years.
White joined the Lions as a scout in 1997 and became director of pro personnel in 2000 before a promotion to his current position in 2009.
The Eagles had no comment on the report.
The only other known potential candidate is current Eagles assistant director of player personnel Ed Marynowitz, who was identified as a candidate by Pro Football Talk over the weekend.
The Eagles’ general manager position opened up Friday during a massive overhaul of the personnel department orchestrated by head coach Chip Kelly.
GM Howie Roseman was reassigned into a strictly non-personnel role and Kelly was given broad powers to oversee the entire personnel department, starting with the decision of how to bring in for the now-vacant general manager position.
White was the Giants’ third-round pick out of Miami of Ohio in 1988 and was an all-rookie pick playing under defensive coordinator Bill Belichick.
He had six interceptions in two seasons with the Giants before stints with the Lions (1990-92) and Bengals (1993). He finished his six-year career with 11 interceptions.
With the Lions, White worked under Lions General Manager Martin Mayhew, another defensive back drafted by an NFC East team (Redskins) who played in the division in the late 1980s and early 1990s.
I am raiding Baltimores scouting department….or even Cincinatti. Especially with the emphasis on the 3-4. The defense is going to have to be rebuilt through the draft just as much as FA.
I don’t know the rules for gms. Is there a Rooney rule for GMs like head coaches and this is the first step to be in compliance or both and this a serious interview regardless of rules ?
Rooney rule applies to only coaches I believe.
Head coaches and senior football operations jobs. Looking at his resume (Sheldon White) on BGN, it’s more extensive than Howie Roseman’s and Ed Marynowitcz.
Lol it better be more extensive than Howie….he got drafted out of law school hahahaha
I like Sheldon White, has good Experience and has been part of some nice Recent Drafts of the Lions…
Whose Decision to select TE Eric Ebron at # 10 last Year though… A bad move and a reach for a kid who is not strong or physical enough..
GMCliff interrupted my comments 300 times in the 2013 season that Eric Ebron and Austin Seferian-Jenkins were real TEs and Zach Ertz sucks blah blah blah and that after the 2014 season he would prove how great Eric Ebron and Austin Seferian-Jenkins were blah blah blah
On Seferian-Jenkins,
The Knock on him at College was that he was lazy, slow to pick-up on things and just didn’t work hard .. A year Later, folks in Tampa saying, this Seferian-Jenkins is lazy,selfish and can’t learn the playbook….
On Ebron, the kid is very Athletically Talented in all Sports and but just doesn’t seem to have the fire to excell at the NFL Level.. Some report that’s he’s almost too nice a Kid and that he is too active with so many other things that Football is just not his big passion..
So which prospects are you commenting on this year???
2 -7 – Lets hear some insight, right now, so I don’t have to hear you whine about how smart you are later……more silence, while you wait on Mel Kiper to think for you up until after the combine huh??….I thought so
Let’s hear it E0S….I KNOW I WON’T BE HEARING FROM Howie FOR YOU TO HIDE BEHIND….So lets hear YOUR prospect suggestions in your response post
1. Jaimeis Winston
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gmcliff – the draft is in Chicago April 30th- May 2. That is 4 months from now. Relax.
So what???
All of us have already identified players we feel would help the Eagles. So why can’t you??
Your only fear is being wrong, and being called on the carpet for us to heckle your know nothing ass. So lets hear your suggestions, and stop BULLSHITTING US JACKASS!!!
GMCliff – I am beginning to believe you have bad intentions towards any suggestion I might make.
What do you mean, you’ve never said anything……
But I do plan on heckling your no nothing ass until you step off me, because I know you don’t have a clue, although you talk as if you do.
I think it also applies to Front Office Positions as of a Year or 2 Ago..
I pray they get this guy or someone like him, I would be ecstatic, I know everyone is talking about that young guy we have but this would be a first, the first time under lurie we would have all player personal that’s all outsiders, what a breath of fresh air it would be to finally get some insight on people not connected to Lurie, (Roseman,Banner)
Chip said the Eagles really liked about 6 guys last draft but unfortunately the rest of the league also liked those same 6 draft picks and they were all taken before their 22nd selection so they traded backwards.
Howie said they had an offer from Minnesota to move into the 26th selection from the 2nd round for Bridgewater ( Minnesota eventually traded with Seattle) but didn’t want to move in the 2nd round and to far away from Marcus Smith so they declined the trade and selected Marcus Smith at 26.( Howie error-ed on that trade badly)
I believe the days of trading back for more picks are over! I see Chip zoning in on someone he likes and doing whatever it takes to get him, I rather walk out of the draft with three impact players then seven ok players
Well if they are Defense, the Eagles are in Trouble for Chip Kelly doesn’t know impactful Defensive Players.. He’s had very few on his Oregon College Teams.. I guess Billy Davis will be selecting the Defensive Players ad Chip the Offensive Players
NIGHTMARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
QBs took some vicious hits this weekend in the playoffs ( Cam, Big Ben, Stafford, Lindley) The rules better not change next week when the Wilson, Manning, Brady and Rodgers return. I’ve seen some ridiculous Brady and Wilson roughing the QB penalties this year on those 2 especially.
here is what the redskins gave up for RG3
Cornerback Janoris Jenkins,
defensive tackle Michael Brockers
running back Zac Stacy
linebacker Alec Ogletree
wide receiver Stedman Bailey
Greg Robinson
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If and when the Mariota trade doesn’t happen, what is the QB situation moving forward? Foles this season and draft player “x”? Im looking into some of the QB’s in this draft… is there a guy not from FSU, Oregon or UCLA that people think could be decent in this offense. The kid from Baylor, people talk about how he has decent speed, yet his numbers in college aren’t much to luck at as far as his rushing ability…
We have seen four different quarterbacks take snaps for Kelly in two seasons. I’m trying to settle in on one guy, I know injuries are the reason for all of the QB change, but I feel that we are almost settling on the notion that it’s Foles one more year and then the next guy.
Is there another path to take? Is the only realistic path that we start Foles, hope that he is some combination of season 1 and season 2 with Chip, and that the players around him improve, the defense is a better unit, and all goes well?
Chip Kelly is very used to change at QB’s and all Positions for that matter for that’s what he dealt with at th College Ranks and to be honest, probably somrthing he enjoys seeing new Kids, Talents, etc,etc…
For every Brady,Manning,Rodgers, there are a dozen Foles,Sanchez,etc,etc so expect at least 2 QB’s seeing the Field next Season (Foles and ?)
I like the kid from Colorado State, Garrett Grayson to come in and backup Foles with the hope that he can one day mature into a starter. We’ll see how he looks in the Senior Bowl… He reminds me of R. Willson.
I like Grayson as well…a good leader, good arm, nice mobility and smart.
You have to start Foles.
I would also attempt to sign Sanchez as a back up, and hope that Jacoby Brissett decides to enter the draft, otherwise you have to take a hard look at Pauls guy Brandon Bridge, as your 3rd stringer. Which isn’t bad.
But Jacoby Brissett is who you want, not Winston, or Mariota.
Alright, I’ll bite. Brissett?
Sell me on this guy.
Go watch his video against Florida State on youtube…
That’s all I need to say Bugs
I did watch. Very impressive, but he also had some stinkers in his game log. Didn’t watch the highlights on those to see if it was more a team struggle.
I think that he could benefit himself financially if he holds off another year to declare.
GMCliff, Just looking at some highlights I can see that Brissett has just as good a shot to be a successful NFL QB as Mariota. He looked like Randall Cunningham vs. FSU.
When I say Brissett has just as good a shot to be a successful NFL QB as Mariota, I mean that in a good way. The kid looked very impressive vs. FSU.
Randall Cunningham is one of my all time favorite players. And very underrated in my opinion.
exactly WHO I SAW IN HIM iRISH…
Can you envision the real Randall Cunningham running Chips System????
You will see it if he declares, and Chip is smart enough to draft him
Love you Cliff, but I will personally come to Philly and throw Sanchez in the back of my truck and make him disappear if I even get a hint that they are bringing him back.
lmbo Biggie…..
Should we convert Marcus Smith back to a QB?
I think he may just need more time than most – as he was overdrafted by 2 rounds – so we have to keep him on the roster – for now.
Question for Biglion….
Saturday, Crotchery was running to the left sideline, saw a safety sitting there and broke back inside. Newton threw outside and said safety grabbed the Int.
TS immediately blamed Crotch, and I suggested that perhaps it was Newtons fault (but she would never admit fault for her her0). Big brother that you are, you immediately jumped to her defense saying the reciever MUST always continue the route.
I believe you called me an idiot for suggesting otherwise. That perhaps, seeing the defender, the WR should have broken back inside. No NEVER was the response from BigBrother.
Could you explain the Whitten 4th down play then please?
Running the exact same pattern. Broke it back inside.
Had Romo thrown it outside (because the WR MUST always complete the original route) would that int been on Witten?
Thoughts please expert.
If Romo ad thrown the
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dumb dumb really said ” the reciever MUST always continue the route”
please tell me that isnt true or take out of context
Actually I said it. And I will stand corrected on most (I guess you can never say ALL) crossing routes you need to cross the face of the defender… That is a taught fundamental, taught at all levels. On the play in question crotch seemed to slow down and look at the back side I assume he thought the ball had been delivered to another player. I don’t think newton is particularly good. But again, this is the fundamental. I just erased the Dallas game because it makes me sick so I don’t know the play to which you are referring
On the Crotchety Pass that went for an Int,
The way the receiver stopped and looked back,
He may have thought QB Newton was off to Scramble and simply gave up on the route to try to look for a Defender to block since it was a pretty slow developing play .. Just a thought..
LOLOLOLOLOL, jumping to conclusions spellchecker.
Did I jump to a conclusion ? Are you sure about that ?
My bad spellchecker maybe I took your comments out of context.