Can the 2016 Philadelphia Eagles defense be dominant? There have been significant roster changes. A new defensive coordinator that will run a 4-3 based scheme has people excited.
The potential to be a top ten unit in terms of sacks and takeaways is there for the taking with the off-season hire of Jim Schwartz. The focus for Schwartz is to get pressure on the opposing quarterback and interrupt his pass attempts. The scheme focuses more on spacing and using player strengths to their advantage. It’s not necessarily about dialing up the blitzes, but correctly scheming when to send additional pressure.
It’s rather straight forward with Schwartz which is not only refreshing to hear, but it helps to identify the strengths and weaknesses of the defensive line, the linebackers and the secondary.
Howie Roseman stated that free agent upgrades allowed him to part with draft picks in the deal with the Browns. With that being said, the change from a 3-4 to a 4-3 defense changed “need” areas for position groups.
The success of the defense will likely come down to the current players on the roster. After parting with a third and fourth round selection in the trade with the Cleveland Browns, the Eagles are limited with remaining draft picks. With arguably more holes to fill on offense then defense, it’s quite possible that day three of the draft (round 5-7) is when depth is added to the defense.
Defensive Tackle
Fletcher Cox was a dominating force last season and the thoughts of what havoc he may cause under Schwartz has double digit sacks totals as a real possibility. Bennie Logan doesn’t receive enough credit for his success as an undersized nose tackle. Like Cox, he should also capitalize in the sack department as a pure defensive tackle. The issue becomes the defensive tackles behind Cox and Logan, the cupboard is thin. The only name recognizable name being Beau Allen.
The Eagles have had success over the years with finding defensive line help that go undrafted, with Hollis Thomas and Cedric Thorton two notable names. Adam Gotsis out of Georgia Tech is likely to go undrafted due to a knee injury sustained in 2015, but Gotsis is one of those tough/high motor guys that fill out the bottom of the depth chart at the defensive tackle position.
Defensive End
At defensive end, the Eagles resigned Vinnie Curry to a “starters” contract, 2016 should be his coming out party. It’s been a long wait for Curry, and for the money he received, the Eagles are “banking” on the player that recorded nine sacks in 2014.
Brandon Graham and Connor Barwin will rotate at defensive end after both starting at outside linebacker last season. Neither player fits the typical defensive end mold that Schwartz looks for, but Schwartz is creative and will find ways to get both players on the field at the same time. The long term plan for Barwin and Graham is likely to be decided by the end of the 2017 season, when both contracts make it expendable for the Eagles to part ways.
Marcus Smith, any type of contribution out of him would be terrific, but he is merely a rotational player at best with limited expectations talent wise.
The Eagles have looked at a few defensive ends in the fifth round area, which is a round that they drafted Trent Cole in 2005. Yannick Ngakoue out of Maryland has been on the Eagles radar; has the tools to succeed at the professional level and would be a solid selection in the fifth round.
Cornerback
There is certainly “depth” at the cornerback position, but exactly how talented is the group? The Eagles replaced Maxwell with McKelvin. Nolan Carroll was resigned after a respectable showing in 2015. Eric Rowe went through the rookie learning curve. Ron Brooks adds a veteran presence as a fourth cornerback.
And then the list of unknowns, almost a full depth chart of rookies with what the Eagles know about these players. Former Eagles fourth rounder Jaylen Watkins, likely his last chance to earn a spot on the 53 man roster. There are the two 6th round selections from last season with Shepherd and Evans, plus undrafted free agent Denzel Rice. The Eagles even dipped into the CFL for cornerback depth, signing Aaron Grymes.
It’s difficult to project the potential starting lineup, but with a total of nine cornerbacks on the roster. Could the Eagles get away without drafting a cornerback this season, simply gamble on finding out what they already have under a new defensive coordinator?
It’s likely the Eagles will add another cornerback in the draft. Without the limitations of a specific height and weight per the Chip Kelly guidelines, a larger pool of talent is available if the Eagles identify a prospect they like.
James Bradberry (Samford) in round 5 or Daryl Worley (West Virginia) in round 6 as possible players the Eagles target.
Safety
It’s been a long time since the Eagles had two safeties that were reliable. The addition of McLeod to play alongside Jenkins finally puts an end to the safety search.
The guys behind the starters in Maragos, Couplin and Reynold are better suited for special team roles. With having guys like McKelvin and Watkins who have some experience playing safety, and the limited number of draft picks remaining after the trade with Cleveland, it’s difficult to think the Eagles will use a draft pick on a safety in the upcoming draft. Jordan Lucas who played at Penn State is likely to go undrafted, but could be a guy the Eagles invite to training camp.
The Eagles don’t have a ton of cap room left, and limited draft picks to fill necessary depth on the defense. Linebacker and defensive tackle could desperately use veteran additions at low cost one year deals.
Reuniting with two ex-Eagles for depth would make sense. Former 2008 6th round selection Joe Mays has played all three linebacker positions in his career. Defensive tackle Cullen Jenkins could provide a veteran presence at the defensive tackle position.
The optimism surrounding the 2016 Eagles defense is much higher than the state of the offense. Finding a defensive sleeper that championship NFL level teams locate late in the draft is exactly what Howie and company need to pull off.
With Graham, Barwin & MSII all moving to DE on the Depth Charts
the Real Position of Need for this Eagles Defense is OLB…
Right Now the Eagles will line up Bradham at SAM (Strong Side) Kendricks at WILL (Weakside) and Jordon Hicks at the MIKE Position (Middle)
The Eagles have Najee Goode to Back-Up Hicks but are awful think at both other OLB Positions with Bryan Braman, Brandon Hepburn, Travis Long, Stephen Means & Deontae Skinner who I liked a lot last Summer Camp
I believe the Eagles will use that #79 Pick of the Draft in the 3rd Round to Draft an OLB as they made some moves to bolster their OL already in Free-Agency with Brooks, Wisnewski and Barret Jones who was a late pick-up after the Season ended to go with Youngsters like Malcolm Bunch, Brett Boyko, Josh Andrews, Andrew Gardner, Matt Tobin and Alan Barbree that they should be better across the board along their OL
Some LB’s who should be on the Board at #79 that should be worth checking out for the Eagles…
By the way, Jim Schwartz just loves his LB’s and likes them long, athletic, physical and fast
Jaylon Smith – Notre Dame (6-2 225lbs) Was Just a Superman last Year until his Injury, most likely will miss the entire 2016 but would have been a Top #10 Pick if Healthy.. Can You Draft him now and wait until 2017 for him to get on the Field which is hard to do with limited Draft Picks to begin with.
Long Range, could be a Great Pick
Kyle Fackrell – Utah State (6-5 245lbs) – Smart, versatile, Has Size and good all-Around Athleticism but not what you would call Explosive..
Jordan Jenkins – Georgia (6-3 259lbs) – Athletic, Versatile, Long-armed and very good droping back in Pass Coverages… a Real Sleeper in my book as his fellow LB Teammate at Georgia, Leonard Floyd, gets most of the Press because of his Sacks, but I think Jordan Jenkins is the better Pro Prospect and a 3 Down LB that would fit Schwartz Schemes very well …
Yannick Nagkoue – Maryland (6-2 252lbs) – Athletic, a little raw and stiff in his Drop Backs and in Pass-Coverage .. Maybe more of a Inside LB at the NFL Level, Very strong,explosive at the Point of Attack.. Not sure how instinctive he is when out in space
BJ Goodson – Clemson (6-1 245lbs) – A real thumper who plays ILB, lacks great Size, but has Speed, Athleticism, Plays Physical & Tough
Eagles Currently have 3 DT’s listed on their Roster
Fletcher Cox, Bennie Logan and Beau Allen
I expect them to move both Talyor Hart (6-6 285lbs) and Travis Raciti (6-4 292lbs) to inside to play DT giving them 5 to Start OTA’s
The Key to the 2016 Eagles Defense is how Well their DE’s Play
Vinny Curry, Connor Barwin, Brandon Graham and Marcus Smith II must all play at the High Level and earn their Pay… If things are going well all 4 Players should rotate in and out to keep everyone Fresh through0out a Game and Season…
The Eagles have some $25 Million Dollars tied between these 4 Player and they need to get 7-10 Sacks Each or around 40 as a Group
Moving Forward, the Eagles Need to Address their Front 7 at OLB, DE and add to the DT Depth, maybe some of the Young Players will step up and surprise in Camp like a DL Travis Raciti, LB Travis Long LB Dontae Skinner but the Eagles definitely need to add to the Talent Level & Depth to their Front 7
pman, if available in the 3rd round, I would love for the Eagles to take USC S/LB Su’a Cravens!
Appreciate that summary Pman.
Don’t sleep on Marcus smith just yet!! He never truely got his chance under Chip and company. He was behind guys like graham and barwin and was not gonna out duel some of the veterans..especially when we all knew he was raw when we drafted him.
He was Howies guy Right? Expect him to get his shot. He’s added on muscle and has improved. I watched the tape on the meaningless Giants game and he was getting pressure.
Another eagle to look out for under the new 4-3 who could flourish is Bryan Braman who has been out best special teams ace past few seasons. Kid is physcotic, physical and wants to kill everything.
Big time highlight was when his helmet felL off and he kept running and made the tackle. Wouldn’t be surprised if he balled out.
CT, I agree with you on MSII, I think he will show that he can get after the QB and be productive. He was completely lost in the linebacker role. Watching MSII at Louisville, he was able to play DE, watching the last game against the Giants, he showed that he could get off the edge. MSII is my defensive surprise player for 2016. OG Malcom Bunche is my surprise offensive player.
CT, Ray diddy and gcobb in csnphilly saying Bradford’s career has been a series of excuses
Along with every fan and national guy in the world …he is a huge bust one of the worst ever
Well he is up there. Couch, Russell etc…
I’m surprised how locked in the media has been with Wentz and how little Goff is mentioned. From multiple sources it has been stated that Rams prefer Goff, but I’m not convinced until it’s been released by the Rams or when the first selection of the draft has been made.
Is anyone concerned?
I’m not its wentz. Howie pretty much straight up said I know who the Rams are picking. He also met with wentz 5+ times. It’s wentz… If it wasn’t I think Howie would’ve used different words… Also think wentz is a tougher sell in LA the Cali kid they all know. Also I think wentz has all the tools but legit needs a year to learn the offense unlike goff…
Why is Peter’s on this team they are clearly trying to rebuild send him off to Seattle for two 3’s and a 4th
The Washington Post reports the Redskins have made an offer to free agent CB Josh Norman.
ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports Norman is fielding five-year deals worth between $14-$15 million annually. With an estimated $11.6 million in cap space, the Redskins would have to get slightly creative with the structure of the deal or do some mild cap gymnastics to fit that size contract under the salary limit, but the cap is not a real concern. Norman is meeting with the Redskins on Friday. The 49ers are thought to be the other team seriously involved in negotiations.
Related: 49ers, Redskins
Brutal. No star d player going to San Fran
HAC everything I mention about Sam is facts
And reality.
Mark my words. He will be one of those quarterbacks who are late bloomers. Similar to what rich Gannon and Drew Bree’s did etc.
Wait till he gets his true shot. I pray to god he stays and mentors the young guy along with chase. He will play lights out this year whether it’s in Philly, ny or Denver. It’s all about getting confidence in that knee.
Mark my words. U don’t gotta believe it. U can think it’s a joke all u want.
He will have multiple pro bowl appearances in the future and will have a very bright ending to his career in his 30s.
Watch. Some of u think it’s impossible for a 28 year old to improve who had been plagued by injuries and being on a shitty team with no supporting cast whatsoever Ina tough division.
“Wait till he gets his true shot”. CT, you sound like Linus putting his hope, dreams and faith in the appearance of the great pumpkin. Bradford has had 6 years in the league. He has had true shots, he just has not capitalized on them. How long are you going to wait for Sam to get in the perfect situation. The perfect O line, stud wr’s, a great running back, a top 5 defense, a great coaching staff, top flight special teams. When does Bradford make his true shot…his true shot? # responsibility and leadership through performance!
When he isn’t on a shitty team. I’m not saying all time great. I’m saying a TEAM. IF u wanna call that rams squad he was on a team then go ahead.
Wanna kno what’s funny? All this talk about carson wentz and jared goff, watch Paxton Lynch be the best QB in the draft. LOL..no wouldn’t that be a fairy tell ending for philly? I can see it now.
With the #2 pick in the nfl draft, the philadelphia eagles select jalen Ramsey.
All this qb talk is a smokescreen. Lmao
CT..Sounds like you’re more of a Sam Bradford fan than an Eagles fan..it’s kool, do you!
Agreed CT. I have a feeling that will be the case if he stays healthy
I believe eagles should go Paul Perkins, rb ucla round 3.
Jeff, I like Paul Perkins, but he may be available in the 5th. Besides, there are a myriad of quality RB’s coming out next year. A WR I want next year is Quincy Adeboyejo. Every hole will not be filled this year, so I am already looking at 2017 prospects.
I agree EHL,
With the limited amount of Picks the Eagles have, they really need to sure up 3-4 Positions with Young Talent .. An OLB, DT,OT & CB
They may have to sign a Veteran RB forDepth or get 1-2 From the Undrafted Lost to help fill out the RB Corp’s which likely be by committee for 2016..
Great QBs make shitty teams into good teams or good teams into very good teams….good luck ct/kb
Great qbs have a great supporting cast..cannot name me 1 great qb who took a team to a superbowl and won without a supporting cast. Period.
That’s why the Eagles should trade Peters,sproles and Graham get what you can for them…now instead of letting them for for nothing your not winning the bowl this yr so why keep them Bradford also..
Ok thre 7th round picks yipeee
Silly chatter about rebuild. Predictable and pathetic.
This is not the NBA. You dont tank!!
Peters finishes out as an eagle and in general the eagles go into 2016/17 with a chance to compete. Sam gets a chance to shine and im calling out anyone on here who roots against this team.
On a Side Note and some NBA News
Washington Wizards sign Coach Scottie Brooks to a 5 Year – $35 Million Deal
I am predicting that Kevin Durant will follow Him to the Wizards .. Durant’s Mom’s Family is from the DC area and Brooks Coached Durant during his best Years with Oklahoma City …
I wouldn’t mind adding Cullen jenkins for d Line depth, he was fine here before and really does a good of rushing the passed from inside, creates nice rotation
Jenkins wtf isn’t he like 50
Depth signing gloomy Jesus everybody can’t be 20
This is a Real Deep DT Class this Draft and Decent, rotational ones can be had in the 5th Rounds or Later…
DT Adolphous Washington – Ohio State (6-3 305lbs – 4th/5th Rounder)
DT DJ Reader – Clemson (6-3 327lbs – 4th/5th Rounder (Character Red Flags)
DT Willie Henry – Michigan (6-3 305lbs) 5th Rounder
DT Matt Ioannidis – Temple (6-3 300lbs 5th/6th Rounder
DT Greg Milhouse – Campbell (6-1 300lbs) 6th Rounder
DT Nile Lawrence-Stample – Fla State (6-1 320lbs) 6th Rounder
DT Vincent Valentin – NEbraska (6-4 330lbs) 6th/7th Rounder
DT Trevon Coley – FLorida Atlantic (6-1 305lbs) 7th Rounder/UDFA
DT Darius Latham – INdiana (6-4 310lbs) 7th Rounder/UDFA
I really like Reader, Henry, Ioannidis & Milhouse as Rotational Depth Players who will bring Energy, Athleticism and High Motors
anyone have the list of prospects the eagles have met with? as of 4/13 im seeing the list included 0 D Lineman and only 1 O Lineman.
That’s weird… You would think both would be High on the List..
I believe the Eagles think that both Taylor Hart and Travis Raciti can Play DT in Schwartz’s 4-3 Scheme.. I have DL Travis Raciti, LB Dontae Skinner and Safety Jerome Couplin as my Summer Camp/Preseason Players who Shine this Year on Defense..
OL is very Crowded and will have a lot of Competition this Summer
Center – Kelce, Barrett Jones, Wisnewski
Guards – Brooks, Andrews, Barbree, Wisnewski, Tobin, Kelly, Malcolm Bunche & Brett Boyko
Tackle – Peters, Lane Johnson, Barbree, Kelly & Tobin
*********** EAGLES NEWS *********
ACCORDING TO MY SUPER DUPER EXCLUSIVE PERSONAL SOURCE IN LEAGUE CIRCLES Eagles signed WR T.J. Graham.
******** CONFIRMED***************
LMFAO
TJ Graham 6-0 180lbs from NC State University who was Drafted by the Buffalo Bills in the 3rd Round of the 2012 Draft and is strictly a Speed WR and can also Return Punts/Kick-Offs..
He ran a 4.41 Time in the 40 Yard Dash with 10′ Long Jump an 34′ Vertical
with 8 Reps Lifted at 225lbs at his College Combine..
He’ played for the Bills, Titans, Jets & Saints
Career Receptions : 61 for 794 Yards and 4 TD’s
haaaaaaaaaaaaaa
With 3 Veteran Signings at WR in Randle, Givens and now TJ Graham to go along with Matthews,Agholor & Huff, and with last Years Practice Squad Receivers in Rasheed Bailey, Freddie Martino & Jonathon Krause the Eagles likely won’t even Draft a Receiver, Maybe sign 1-2 Undrafted WR’s to invie into Camp
Regarding carson wentz, isn’t it a bit scary that a qb only had 62% completion percentage in the weak conference he played in?
And when his backup came in when he was injured, didn’t he play just as good as wentz?
We’re talking about a qb who barely a threw in his conference.
Shouldn’t we hope the rams take wentz?
LMAO…here we go with the anti-Wentz campaigning ….NOPE, not scary at all.
What is scary is a history of a .390 winning %age.
“And when his backup came in when he was injured, didn’t he play just as good as wentz?”
7 starts 130 for 208 for 1651yrds 17tds 4 ints
8 starts 90 of 147 for 1144 yrds 13tds 4 ints
So ya…no dropoff at all….
BTW Koolbreeze, why do you post as CT?
Are the Eagles certain that Wentz will be the pick at #2? I’m hearing that the Rams are leaning more towards Wentz than Goff. Some are saying that it’s already a done deal with the Rams. So maybe we are getting Goff..
Eagles like both QB’s. They would not have done the deal if they didn’t. When asked at the presser to discuss the move up from 8 to 2, he stated that you have to connect the dots. The truth is both Wentz and Goff have the same agent. The Eagles found out who the Rams were taking from the agent….trust and believe that. That is why Howie said he was pretty sure that the guy they want will be there at pick 2.
Most reports, the vast majority of them are saying the Rams had decided on Goff when they privately worked him out.
New Mock Draft
1) Rams – QB Goff
2) EAGLES – QB Wentz
3) Chargers – OT L Tunsil
4) Cowboys – DB J Ramsey
5) Jaguars – DE J Bosa
6) Ravens – DL D Buckner
7) 49ers – LB M Jack
8) Browns – OT R Stanley
9) TB Bucs – CB V Hargeaves
10) NY GIants – OT J Conklin
11) Bears – DE S Lawson
12) Saints – DT S Rankins
13) Dolphins – RB Zeke Elliot
14) Raiders – CB William Jackson
15) Titans – WR L Treadwell
Gonna be a real treat watching josh Norman facing Jordan Matthews and Sam bradturd this year. Lol
I’m not on the anti wentz train at all. I’m just asking questions. I am a very rational fan aND will root the kid..
There is not a thing in the world to hate about the guy. I’ve been watching tape on him and highlights non stop. He has the skill and every thing u want.
And after more research, it’s very clear the Eagles have no mortgaged there future. Howie did it in a way to where everything is separated throughout the next 3 years. There isn’t one draft that is crippled.
Not a bad idea to potentially get a stud.
But the question is, which qb should we prefer? One that played in a tougher conference, or the small town kid?
Wentz should start, he is the number two pick in the entire draft. He should be a day one starter. They need to find a deal for Bradford asap and move on from him. Bradford maybe a lot of things but he’s not dumb, he knows he’s a lame duck quarterback with no future here now. Wentz is ready he ran a pro style offense, if he’s a player he will take his lumps and improve. If he’s a chump we will find out soon enough.
Nah, McNabb was the number two overall pick and did not start from day 1. Sit him and let him watch and learn. I trust that blue print. Patience will pay off at the end. I hope Bradford plays his butt off this season so we can flip him and recoup that second round pick we gave up. Bradford is a lame duck QB, but he needs to be a leader and team player like people on here was saying he was prior to the move up. Let Bradford earn that franchise mega-contract. It’s a win win!
Mariota and Winston were day one starters, for those who compared him to them so lets go.
Situations involving Mariota and Winston were completely different. Neither team had a QB with Bradford’s pedigree on the roster. Bradford was the #1 overall pick in 2010. He is a franchise caliber QB 🙂 let him start, let Wentz learn.
I die laughing when people say what happens if Sam dominates this year. Too funny
What Pedigree other than being great in college what has he done?
Because of injury I would not attach franchise to Sam Bradford at all
What Pedigree other than being great in college what has he done?
pdiddy, I was being facetious…I guess you have not read my posts as it pertains to what I think of Bradford’s pro career. I am officially one of koolbreeze’s Hate Sam Crew members.
My bad Eagle no I didn’t read that.
This is not 99 these quarterbacks are groomed different in high school and college. Wentz ran a pro style offense let him play. Unless you think he is a project and not ready for Nfl competition. If that’s the case then he should not be drafted number 2, and the Eagles have made a horrible error in judgement.
I see why Aaron Rodgers sat he was behind Brett. What could Bradford teach Wentz how to get hurt?
Looks like the saints making late push for Norman, oh yea get em saints, twice to prove panthers wrong
Aaron Rodgers was the 24th pick in the draft…not the second pick…GB didn’t give up a boatload of drafts picks to get him…the notion that the second round pick in the draft has to sit a year to “learn” is absolutely ridiculous.
When you draft a guy that high and move up to get him…he has to play and the best way to learn is by getting reps, making mistakes…learning from those mistakes and getting better.
Wentz should be the starting QB-Day 1 and what we should see is steady improvement….will he have some terrible games…of course…but how does he bounce back. Will he make bad decisions…absolutely…but does he learn and improve.
By the end of the year if he is the real deal he will be better and next year he will be ready to show off the talent, he will know the receivers better…
But sitting him on the bench is ridiculous…you gave up too much for the kid to sit him on the bench…he has to play!!
Trade Bradford and Play the kid…bottom line.
Donnovan was the second overall pick and sat for the first nine games. LOL, as if where Rodgers being picked 24th matters, there is no draft scale to dictate if a player should sit and for how long. No, Brett Favre is why Aaron sat for so long..and you know it so stop with the bullshit about giving up draft picks…kool, you don’t get to dictate or set the rules…The Eagles are not listening to you, they have tuned you out…nah, you were never tuned in.
And hey, for the record, we have the pedigreed, franchise QB in Bradford (snicker snicker, giggle giggle) to keep the seat warm for the future starting franchise QB. The Eagles have already rejected your plan as it relates to Bradford being the franchise future QB, had nothing to due with injuries either….now you think you know how the Eagles should handle their franchise QB….lmao..ok!.They did not listen to you then, they ain’t listening to you now…YOU REAL MAD BRO!!!
Amen Kool, I do believe Eagle fans would be patient with him during his growth period. The Boo birds won’t come out until his second year.
Koolbreeze, you like quoting Doug Pederson,well here is a quote for you.
This is what Doug Pederson said about what he thinks about what Sam Bradford might think if the Eagles drafted a QB in the first round. This presser was on March 30, 2016.
“And honestly, if you’re the starter, who cares? Who cares? Why are you looking over your shoulder, if you’re the starter. And that’s the way Sam has to approach this. Even with Chase [Daniel] there. And even if we go out and draft a quarterback this year. If you’re the guy, you’re the guy. You’re looking forward and not behind. If you’re constantly looking behind, that’s a problem.”
Sam Bradford is the guy, he’s the starting QB THIS YEAR….it’s what you wanted, well…you got it!! Be careful what you wish for son..CTFU!!!
Pederson also says “I think in our situation we’ve go two solid quarterbacks so if he were to be on our roster, he may not have to play right away, so that’s the beauty of having two veteran guys in front of him,” he said, when asked about Wentz’s lack of in-game experience. “But you dive into him as a person, his work ethic, his off-the-field attitude, how he handles his media, how he handles his teammates, puts him kind of into elite status when it comes to quarterback.”
EHL, you guys are incredible flip-flop specialists
I’ve been consistent
I have said on a number of occasions that if the Eagles had an opportunity to draft a Jameis Winston or a Andrew Luck
Bye-Bye Bradford
I’m sticking to that position because obviously Coach Pederson believes this kid is of that caliber looking at what you gave up to move to the second round of the draft.
Now I strongly disagree with their assessment…I dont believe Wentz is a franchise QB but I’m not the QB guru, and more importantly, my ass is not on the line.
So bye-bye Bradford…he has to go…
And when you give up what you give up…the kid has to play
If Pederson is right and the kid is the next Joe Flacco cool
But if he is the next Nick Foles we are is serious,big time trouble
Koolbreeze, eat the crow, lots of salt!!!
Quit the pissing and moaning. If wentz develops he is our qb through 2030. 20 fuckin 30!!! Acting like kids on Christmas if that’s what Doug thinks is best for our long term success then let the man do what’s best. Come week 10 when we 3-7 with bradturd lets reassess
“he has to play and the best way to learn is by getting reps,”
So now you are an NFL quarterbacks coach who knows the “best way” to develop QBs??
Both your former heroes were #1 pick busts that may have benefited from not being thrown into the breach right away, getting shellshocked and never recovering.
One never learned how not to be a one read and run loser.
The other turned into a chech down machine because he plays scared.
Perhaps had they not been thrown to the dogs day 1 they could have developed into something.
So you might want to re-think your position.
He’ll play when the Eagles coaches feel he’s ready to play.
if the Pederson plan is to have the QB throw to the closest receiver over and over again then Sam Bradford is the guy you want Wentz watching.
abracadabra … Howie waived his magic wand and the Eagles are repaired.
Pay Vinny Curry a boat load of money for playing only 1 out of every 3 plays.
Hire the unemployed Jim Schwartz and add a bunch of his former Buffalo Bill bench players . The same Buffalo Bills who couldn’t stop Sam Bradford from actually winning a game. Eagles are going to have to put up 30 plus points a game to win next season.
BS!!! Spare me
You didn’t give up a bunch of picks to draft McNabb…
The team McNabb was on was awful with a terrible offensive line and shabby defense..so rather than send McNabb out to get slaughtered right away…like Dallas did Troy Aikman…they waited a few games…played him in some blowouts and then started McNabb in the end of the year.
This team is way better than the team McNabb played on…with a better offensive line that’s been improved in free agency.
Vinniedafoolass mancrushes-Nick Foles and Kevin Kolb- spent plenty of time on the bench, getting instructions they still sucked.
When you give up what you gave up to get the QB, you are telling us he is special…if he is special he should play immediately…take his lumps, get better, and we will see the rise of a franchise QB.
But if he sucks, when he takes the lumps his confidence will be destroyed, he wont improved…he will become like Nick Foles…a guy with the physical tools to play the position but lacking the heart and fortitude to play.
The vast and overwhelming majority of Players get better by playing the game not sitting on the damm bench.
It Wentz has what it takes, if he is great like a Manning, a Troy Aikman, and other great QB’s, he will take some lumps and grow
Either you have it or you dont!
Bradford has to go…the decision has been made…no hedging or fudging now…
Get Wentz ass on the field and let the kid grow by playing…not sitting on the damm bench.
koolbreeze
April 20, 2016 – 1:50 pm
Dumb, Desperate, and Delusional
Sam Bradford is the Starting QB..get used, settle in…and stop the madness
LMAO…Sam is the starting QB kool…you were right all along..Get used to it buddy, I am! LOL
Koolbreeze, stop bitching, moaning, whining and crying about how the Eagles have to start Carson Wentz..or whoever, the coach who you called the QB expert will make that call, and he has made it clear Sam Bradford will start. Sam is the franchise QB with that massive contract…follow the money. You repeatedly quoted Pederson as it came to Sam being a top notch QB, now, you don’t want to listen to coach…Coach said Sam is the starting QB..get used to it..Sam ain’t going nowhere..he is the starting QB..
Book It
LMAO!!! Your words coming back to bite you in the ass!!!
EHL, you lame flip-flopper
My words are consistent
I stand by them
I’m not a cut a run, bitch and moan guy
The Eagles are drafting a QB
The second pick in the draft, and traded a valuable picks to get him
They say he is on the level of Winston
Look back at my words…I said if the Eagles could get Winston…’Bye, Bye Sam”
I’m going with the Coach…he says this guy is a Franchise QB
Bye, Bye Sam!
Its you that bitching, scared, whining
You wanted him gone now you got the guy you want and you want to wimp out and sit him on the bench
Your bitching up…scared…dont want the kid to take any lumps…
Bullshit…stop being a scared rabbit, flip-flopping
The situation is different…get rid of Sam and start the kid!
Koolbreeze, your desperate and delusional. Desperate because you are mad that a franchise rook is coming in to replace your mancrush Bradfraud so you want him to fail at all cost. Delusional because you think coach Pederson would actually develop his franchise QB under such a stupid lame brain plan.
Koolbreeze …LMAO and CTFU, nobody cares what you think the Eagles should do, you were wrong about what the Eagles thought about Bradford, you were wrong about the Eagles not wanting to take a QB in the first. You thought they would take a Dak Prescott or Kevin Hogan in the later rounds.You repeatedly blustered and blow harded how Sam was the franchise QB. Now you don’t want Sam to be the starting QB since your heart has been broken and you’ve been proved wrong..your feelongs are hurt as your Bradford House has come crumbling down around you in a heap of heartache.
Fact is, whether I want Wentz to start or not is irrelevant, Doug Pederson’s plan is to let Wentz sit and watch….that was the plan all along…get used to it..accept the reality. All your bitching, whining, crying and moaning about it is not going to change a thing. You are delusional, you think that the Eagles should follow your lame plan…nope.
I never flip flopped, I always wanted the Eagles to draft a QB early..you gave me shit for it…I liked both Goff and Wentz, wanted Bradford gone. Well, Bradford is here, he is the starter for this year..follow the $, it’s a one year deal..I told you the what the plan should be in March..you said I was desperate and delusional…low and behold, what I said should happen is manifesting, and the Eagles have rejected your lame ass plan.
koolbreeze
April 22, 2016 – 11:21 pm
EHL, you lame flip-flopper
My words are consistent
I stand by them
I’m not a cut a run, bitch and moan guy
The Eagles are drafting a QB
The second pick in the draft, and traded a valuable picks to get him
Koolbreeze, aka Smokescreen…LMAO, you’ re full of bullshit liar, you said for the past two several months that the Eagles were not going to take a QB at 8 or in the first round period. Now you are flip flopping saying they are taking a QB in the first round. You flip flopping liar. You’re cutting and running from what you repeatedly said was not going to happen..You said Sam Bradford is the QB, no QB, Wentz or Goff will be drafted even if they are available at 8..blah blah blah. Now you’re back tracking as the reality of the situation becomes clear to you, now you are compelled to take a new position, but you are saying that you are maintaining consistency..where?. LMAO…You have flipped flopped like a fish out of water….hey Koolbreeze, you should change your name to smokescreen!
Stay consistent, say that Sam is the guy and the Eagles are not taking a QB in the first, don’t cave in now…maybe the Eagles are blowing smokescreens for some strange reason. Your whole world has crumbled around you, you are despondent and confused, you do not know what to say or where to go as you have been living in a alternate universe and finally are awakening out of it and your slumber as the reality has smacked you in the face.
Remember, you told macdolo that you had the Hate Sam Crew right where you wanted them…do you still have us right where you want us…lame ass lying flip flopper?
Lean back Smokescreen, lean back!!
Who in the Eagles org said he is on the level of Winston and when? I know I said that but never seen a Eagles employee say it
Koolbreeze, you’re still talking about Nick Foles…how lame!
Franco dinger
Make that 2 Franco dingers
And the flyers goalie stood on his head
A QB sitting for a year can only help the rook. I mean why not?
Let’s go into the season with the thought we are going to start sam.
Let’s see this rookie in practice first and see if the kid can ball or not.
If the coaching staff, and players believe he is out performing bradford then make the call to NY, San fran, or Denver to get 4th rounder for sam.
If sam starts so what? It can only help the rookie to know what it is like to go thru a nfl season spectating learning everything possible. They are looking forward to the next 15-20 years right? No need to rush.
Since philly will suck this year and only win 4 games, they will start the rooone by week 12 latest
Excellent post CT
It’s the Reid, McNabb blue print.
Besides…no team is trading for Sam Bradford right now. Especially with that contract…no other team will pay him that money as they are not desperate enough.
Let Sam play his massive contract out this year. Hopefully he plays really well…then we can trade him for a high draft pick. Like deserteagle said..Bradford is an asset. This makes sense…cutting him does not help the team in the big picture given what has transpired over the last few days.
why does he gave to sit for a year if he is as good as Mariota and Winston?
pdiddy, there is no right or wrong way to develop the QB as it relates to sitting him or playing him. It all depends on the situation and the philosophy of the coach.
This is what coach Pederson says “I think in our situation we’ve go two solid quarterbacks so if he (Wentz) were to be on our roster, he may not have to play right away, so that’s the beauty of having two veteran guys in front of him,” he said, when asked about Wentz’s lack of in-game experience. “But you dive into him as a person, his work ethic, his off-the-field attitude, how he handles his media, how he handles his teammates, puts him kind of into elite status when it comes to quarterback.”
It’s the Reid, McNabb model
It will benefit the rookie QB to watch from the sideline so he can learn via observation. He gets to understand the nuances, subtleties of the game as well as observe various forms of pro defenses. Now, Wentz will have to get used to the speed of the game by playing, but he can learn plenty by watching. He has the physical abilities and skills to play in the NFL as well as the temperament and intelligence.
The fact is Sam is here for 1 year, he’s not going anywhere. He is getting paid a handsome amount of money. Sam has to play, you can’t trade him with that contract as it stands. Next year Sam’s salary is not as trade prohibitive. I hope Sam plays very well, that will increase his trade value.
As far as Winston and Mariota, they were thrown into the fire because they were drafted with no QB’ in front of them that were deemed worthy of playing of being competitive, nor was there a QB on either team established enough to be considered a QB that could teach either Mariota or Winston.
Bull!!
what a bunch of doubletalk from you EHL
You dont deem Bradford has worthy….
You develop a Franchise QB by playing him, by giving him the reps
By all accounts this is a very smart kid with a lot of fortitude
You learn by playing…ALL QB’s have taken lumps…and the good ones take the lumps, learn and grow.
Winston was thrown in the fire in his very first game against a tough Carolina defense…he had 4 turnovers in the game. The next week he bounced back against Jacksonville…he learned he grew…he developed…
In making the trade, you are saying that these QB’s are on that level…they need to play. What Carson Wentz needs is experience…not sitting on the bench watching…getting on the field and learning…experience is the best teacher!
What a bunch of doubletalk from you EHL..LMAO…
Call it what you want, take it up with the coach…it’s his plan to develop and bring whoever the QB is. Unfortunately for you, the coach does not see it your way, nor do I!
Bradford is a bridge QB like I said, he has to perform his role in this big picture. He is good for that role..Sam Bridgfeford. The rook will get in the game at certain times, but, not for the beginning of the season.
We will see the rook in pre-season, after that, to the sideline to look and learn. Excellent plan by coach Pederson. Hopefully Bradford plays well so we can trade him next year for a high pick.
signed EH.ELL
You’r just mad…I understand, but get over it…the coach has spoken..and so has Howie! Get on board..stop hating..be an Eagles fan..lol!
CTFU…what a lame flip-flopper you are EHL
You whined for months about Bradford being on the team
You cried like a baby never wanting to give the Coach a chance when he didn’t see it your way
You stomped, moaned and bitched about Bradford
Now, presto…you are a Pederson supporter
Bullshit…you are a flip-flopper
I am being consistent…I support the team…I have declared openly and taken a position…
Like I said…pass the mustard on the crow I will eat if Wentz turns out to be a franchise QB that leads us to the Super Bowl
I would duck, bitch, run and hide like you do on here EHL when you are wrong….
I’m still here and I’m not cutting and running because I was wrong about the Eagles moves on the QB position. I didn’t expect that a team would spend $34 million dollars in guaranteed money and THEN trade a bunch of picks to draft a Division 1-AA player who has only thrown 615 passes in his career and is slow reading defenses…
In the history of the NFL, no one has ever made this kind of move, you nor anyone else can point to a situation like this one…its unique.
So now with the new situation, I’m stating the obvious and being consistent with what I said before…I’m being consistent because I told you EHL directly
“If Jameis Winston was available to the Eagles to get somehow-Bye Bye Sam”
Now Carson Wentz is the QB the Coach wants…he believes he is a Franchise QB…
Bye Bye Sam…we need draft picks, we dont need a disgruntled vet on the team, we dont need any QB controversies, we need to take a chance now on Sam getting hurt and we dont get anything for him since we are going with the rookie as the future Franchise QB.
We need the rookie to develop like what we saw in Jameis Winston…a rookie who got better as the season progressed.
Let the rookie take his lumps, get better, and lead us to a SuperBowl
Or let the rookie take his lumps, fall apart, and we fire Howie and Pederson and start all over again.
Now they do something that you like…presto…you are suddenly a Eagles fan…
Koolbreeze…aka Smokescreen, let me bust your bubble real fast. This is what I discussed regarding drafting and sitting the QB on March 10. Then you replied. No flip flopping on my part.
Eaglehaslanded
March 10, 2016 – 9:02 pm
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The Eagles are perfectly set to take a QB at 8. They have Bradford as the competitive QB to hold things down until he is gone, then you have Daniel to teach the rook the offense. No player the Eagles draft at 8 is going to get them to the playoffs..that falls on Bradford. The o line will be better and the receivers should not have a worse year than last. It would ha e been a disaster if we took Manziel..but I said he could not play….Wentz and Goff can play in this league, and a couple of years of watching will only help like it did for Aaron Rodgers. Just because Johnny football( the disaster you liked) blew up in your face does not mean that other QB’s will suffer the same fate. The fact is kool whether you like it or not the Eagles have to draft a realistic possible QB of the future..and that is not a late round prospect. Bradford can be cut after this year…the Eagles have to have a viable option in the wings to be the franchise QB, i.e. long term solution.
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koolbreeze
March 11, 2016 – 12:15 am
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EHL…the Eagles are not wasting a high pick on Wentz , Goff, or Lynch…that would be the height of foolishness. They grabbed Daniels to protect against injury to Bradford…the thing Bradford has to prove is can he stay healthy. If he stays healthy he is your franchise QB and the Eagles are trying to win…now…
If a QB they like …I’m hearing they like Dak Prescott …is available in the 4th or 5th round…they will take a flier on him and let him learn…but spending a high draft pick at #8 on one of these low rated QB is simply ridiculous.
If Bradford stays healthy…and that is a big if…but if he stays healthy and the Eagles make the playoffs over the next couple of years he will be resigned to another big mega deal
Book it!
EHL, theJohnny Manziel argument is lame…he would have been a good pick and fit in the Eagles offense under Chip Kelly…but no one can predict a guy being an alcoholic..are you going to set here and tell me that you have been %100 right on every prospect that you predicted could play?
You and I know that’s bullshit and no one on here is right all of the time.
None of the Qb’s in this draft are projected as ‘cant-miss’ prospects…these guys are not in the class of an Andrew Luck, Mariotta, or Winston…none of them…Bradford is the franchise QB and they got Daniels as the backup and insurance against Bradford getting hurt…and they will pick up .
Face…and let it go…Bradford is the guy…bottom line and the only thing that will probably get him out of the job is injury. Short of that he is going to play, he will play well…the question is will the other aspects of the team perform on a high level…We win the division this year…Bradford takes us to the playoffs…he will get a new megacontract…
Book it!…just like I told you and predicted all along…
Obviously I wrote that before the trade. No flip flopping on my part…it’s what I believed made sense…sit down son..I just schooled you!
Koolbreeze, your thoughts please…how prophetic I was and wrong you were. You look real stupid..read it and weep..ROTF..CTFU…LMAO@U!!!!
Eaglehaslanded
March 10, 2016 – 9:02 pm
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The Eagles are perfectly set to take a QB at 8. They have Bradford as the competitive QB to hold things down until he is gone, then you have Daniel to teach the rook the offense. No player the Eagles draft at 8 is going to get them to the playoffs..that falls on Bradford. The o line will be better and the receivers should not have a worse year than last. It would ha e been a disaster if we took Manziel..but I said he could not play….Wentz and Goff can play in this league, and a couple of years of watching will only help like it did for Aaron Rodgers. Just because Johnny football( the disaster you liked) blew up in your face does not mean that other QB’s will suffer the same fate. The fact is kool whether you like it or not the Eagles have to draft a realistic possible QB of the future..and that is not a late round prospect. Bradford can be cut after this year…the Eagles have to have a viable option in the wings to be the franchise QB, i.e. long term solution.
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koolbreeze
March 11, 2016 – 12:15 am
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EHL…the Eagles are not wasting a high pick on Wentz , Goff, or Lynch…that would be the height of foolishness. They grabbed Daniels to protect against injury to Bradford…the thing Bradford has to prove is can he stay healthy. If he stays healthy he is your franchise QB and the Eagles are trying to win…now…
If a QB they like …I’m hearing they like Dak Prescott …is available in the 4th or 5th round…they will take a flier on him and let him learn…but spending a high draft pick at #8 on one of these low rated QB is simply ridiculous.
If Bradford stays healthy…and that is a big if…but if he stays healthy and the Eagles make the playoffs over the next couple of years he will be resigned to another big mega deal
Book it!
EHL, theJohnny Manziel argument is lame…he would have been a good pick and fit in the Eagles offense under Chip Kelly…but no one can predict a guy being an alcoholic..are you going to set here and tell me that you have been %100 right on every prospect that you predicted could play?
You and I know that’s bullshit and no one on here is right all of the time.
None of the Qb’s in this draft are projected as ‘cant-miss’ prospects…these guys are not in the class of an Andrew Luck, Mariotta, or Winston…none of them…Bradford is the franchise QB and they got Daniels as the backup and insurance against Bradford getting hurt…and they will pick up .
Face…and let it go…Bradford is the guy…bottom line and the only thing that will probably get him out of the job is injury. Short of that he is going to play, he will play well…the question is will the other aspects of the team perform on a high level…We win the division this year…Bradford takes us to the playoffs…he will get a new megacontract…
Book it!…just like I told you and predicted all along…
I just busted that asssss!!!!!
Wentz/Goff will Play when Coach Pederson feels they are Ready to Play regardless if they were selected #2, #8 or #13 .. The Coach is not going to toss out a Rookie QB before they are ready, especially when you gave 2 Veteran QB ahead of him onthe depth chart… Because a Player is Chosen 1,2,8 or 13 doesn’t mean they are Day 1 Starters in the NFL , obviously being selected higher in the Draft means you are more Talented and further along and gave greater upside to be Succesful at the NFL but it’s no guarantee for instant success… Let the kid learn and Play when he’s ready as determined by his Coachs not where he was selected in the Draft which means nothing..
Seriously. What a joke this is.
“Throw him right in there!” “If he dies…he dies…..”
Its a guy with 23 starts at Div II. He is being drafted on his abilities, smarts, and potential.
And already Koolidiot and crew are screaming “DALLAS GAME” before he’s even played!!
Completely ridiculous.
Get him in there in TC. Playing against NFL coverages. Then introduce him to blitz concepts. Preseason action. Then let Sideways start the season and do what he always does. Meanwhile the kid studies, practices, acclimates himself,a dn coaches put him in when he is ready, and not before.
If coaches had done that with your two failed heroes and they hadn’t become shellshocked in their first years, perhaps they could have developed into something other than the great disappointments they both are/were.
Bull, Vinnie…
Cream rises to the top…if this kid is a Franchise QB like Andrew Luck, like Jameis Winston, like Peyton Manning, like Troy Aikman…then you start him and let him takes lumps…
The kid will take lumps no matter how long you sit his ass on the bench to ‘teach’ and ‘instruct’ him. Part of the reason you drafted him this high is that you believe in his intelligence, his ability to persevere in adversity, and his mental toughness.
You dont believe he’s Nick Foles…you think he is Andrew Luck.
There is no point in sitting him on the bench and starting Bradford you can”t have a lame duck Qb leading your team. Wasn’t Jeff Lurie talking about “emotional intelligence”…do the Eagles have a clue.
Never in the history of the NFL have you ever seen a situation where a team spends $22 million in guaranteed money on a QB to turn around and then trade away a bunch of picks to move up in the draft to get a ‘franchise Qb’.
You have to cut the loss and trade Bradford and let the kid take his lumps. If he is truly a franchise QB you will see what we saw in Winston last year…flashes of good steady play, improvement
You have to create a supportive environment around the kid …why have him sitting behind a disgruntled QB who now hates your organization and not on board with your direction.
Trade Bradford and play the kid.
Plus Gloomysmitty is right..now you are in a situation were you cant keep Bradford and take the chance on him getting hurt…then he has no value. You signed him to the short make good deal because of his injury history anyway. Since you have given away valuable picks that you need to have around the franchise QB….you need to trade Bradford now…eat the money and
You develop a franchise QB by getting him reps, having him in a supportive environment, having his teammates believe in him. You dont create a situation where the team is divided and part of the team believing and supporting a lame duck and the other part wanting to go with the kid.
Most of you believed Bradford stunk ass and the Eagles were going to lose a bunch of games anyway. Now you want Bradford to play…to ‘ease’ the kid in…bullshit!
Get his ass on the field…play the kid and let him develop…let him take his lumps and if he aint Nick Foles, if he is truly a franchise QB he will prove it this year by getting better….just like Bradford did last year.
I wonder if the Eagles would take Jalen Smith in the 3rd rd
Eagles got burned drafting injured players in the past trying to nab perceived 1st round talent in the mid rounds. ( Jake Ikegwuonu, Ricky Sapp, and Cornelius Ingram). I think they scratched that philosophy and red tag those injured players now.
As I look around the league not many teams are gonna need a qb next yr most teams already have there qb either in house or there gonna get in this yrs draft…
Saints- took one last yr 3rd Rd
Pats- Jimmy Garofalo
Cowboys- they will probably get there guy this yr
Giants- same thing with them
Chargers- they just signed phillip rivers so there not letting him go for bumford
Ect……
So the time to strike is now for a team that don’t get there qb this yr…49ers,bills,denver,and the Jets Bradford’s value is high now, if you bring him back and he gets hurt then you get nothing…
We all know that a Years Time us a eternity in Professional Sports and especially in the NFL where things can and will often change due to Player Injuries, Contract Status, Changes in the Front Office or Head Coaches or Staff
Look at some Teams withHighly Paid QB’s who just haven’t Won or made the Playoffs recently , Bears with Cutler, Rivers with Chargers, Falcons with Ryan and Stafford with the Lions… Are all these Players/QB’s Safe, are there Coaching Staffs??
Falcons with
2016 Eagle Defense —
Malcolm Jenkins and Fletcher Cox are studs.
Bennie Logan, Connor Barwin, & Jordan Hicks are above average starters.
Mychal Kendricks & Nolan Carrol are average starters.
Brandon Graham, Vinny Curry, & Eric Rowe are below average starters.
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I haven’t watch enough of their games to be sure but I would rate:
Rodney McLeod as an average starter.
Leodis McKelvin, Nigel Bradham & Ron Brooks as below average starters.
I’ve never seen Carson Wentz play, can’t wait.
I hope I don’t have to wait until the 4th quarter in the preseason to see him. If that tiny little midget knob swabber Chase Daniels is playing before Wentz in the preseason I’m booing Howie and Pederson at the game. If I have to accept Sam Bradford is day one starter, so be it but I completely reject Doug Pederson’s ball licker ( Chase Daniels ) playing ahead of Wentz.
It is being reported that the Broncos are more interested in trading up in the draft to draft Paxton Lynch than trading for Sam Bradford, even after the Eagles pay the second part of his salary. Broncos just are not interested. Wow, a QB starved and needy team not interested in a pedigree, stud, franchise QB (hahahaha) such as Bradford…I can’t believe it.
The Broncos are in win now mode, they have all the pieces except the QB, and they don’t want Sham Bradfraud, I mean Sam Bridgeford..WTF is wrong with John Elway?!?! He should want to take our garbage, I mean franchise QB.
Howie, use your smokescreen Jedi mind tricks!!!
Later for that
The Day One Starter should be your Franchise QB who you believe will lead the team to a Super Bowl in the future Carson Wentz!
This is different from 1999…where you had a horrible offensive line and a bum QB-Doug Pederson as you QB.
No one at that time believed in Pederson…you eased McNabb in a little but eventually you got him in there as your oline became a little more stable
Here your offensive line is much better…you can ease the kid in by running the ball more early…
You have to try and pull off a deal…the Jets, Denver, or any QB needy team…trade Sam now while he is healthy, eat the money so its less of a risk for the other team.
No of course you risk looking completely stupid if this kid sucks ass and Bradford goes on to a great career…So what…
You need to find out as soon as possible if this kid can handle the pressure of being a Qb here in Philly.
Is this kid Andrew Luck or Nick Foles
Is he Jameis Winston or Kevin Kolb.
This kid needs to get reps, get used to the NFL speed
We need to see this kid get knocked on his ass and what happens…does he fall apart…or does he have the competitiveness, the determination to get up and fight.
The vast majority of Franchise QB’s got better by playing through adversity…not sitting on the bench watching.
Get the kid in the there…get rid of Bradford for the highest pick you can get
and Pray that Howie and Pederson knows what they are doing in selecting this kid!
All of a sudden the Eagles have a good o line… Too funny. Your mv7 is clear
the Eagles have added better players in free agency to the O-line…your keeping Peters banking on him being better…and you’ve added Brandon Brooks and Stefen Wisniewski…who are better than what you had at guard last year
You guys kill me…all this time you cried and whined about how much Bradford sucks…now we are about to draft a franchise QB and now you want to sit him on the bench and let Bradford play…
The best thing you can do is get rid of the disgruntled Bradford…and put the kid in there and let him develop. If he is the player is is worthy of being the second pick in the draft he will get better as the season progresses…just like Winston and Mariotta got better.
You cant say out of one side of your mouth that the kid is just as good as Winston and Marriota who started Day 1 and then advocate the kid sitting on the bench for this upcoming season.
The kid needs to play…we have to accept that he will struggle and have bad games…but if he truly is the future he will overcome that and get better. If he’s not a Franchise QB and the Eagles have messed up…we will know that sooner rather than later…
Hey Smokescreen…Waaaah, waaah, waaaah, stop crying and complaining, nobody wants to hear your incessant moaning and whining about the rook not starting!
LMAO…a little nervous already EHL
No confidence in the kid…why not?
Wentz is a franchise QB…let’s get the kid on the field…
I’ve already given the kid a pass…I’ve already said he is going to struggle
You predicted that Bradford would struggle too because he sucks
Using your reasoning, why should we watch the guy who sucks who we know is not going to be around, who will probably get hurt…according to all of your arguments before getting this No#2 draft pick…
Be consistent…stop flip-flopping…get your own position…take a stand and stop bitchin…if he is your guy stand up for the kid
I’m giving the kid the fair shot…let him start and struggle…let him have the games where he throws 4 picks and lets us see him overcome that…
Lets see this kid get knocked around..and get up and answer the challenge and stay competititve
Lets see him do what franchise QB’s have done early in their career..make a lot of mistakes, but also make some great plays too…
Dont get scared now…dont get nervous now EHL…
This is just what you wanted…you got it…so lets stand up
Stop bitching…
Hot air to be clear you are giving Carson Wentz 6 years to prove he is not a bust, correct?
Hell no! havablunt…you will run out of brain cells by that time with all the weed you smoke…I’m not putting any time constraints on the kid…he has to get on the field…and what we will see when he first gets out there…whether it would be 1 year, 2 years, or 3 years from now is a QB that struggles…
If he is a franchise QB we will see signs of him improving and getting better….may or may not translate into wins…but we will see him getting better, making plays as he plays more and gets more experience.
If he sucks, his confidence will be shot and we will see a guy who tries and works hard…but his confidence wont let him be better…we will see him nervous and shaky in the pocket…not going thru progressions…
We will see him metamorphosis into Nick Foles…this is who the kid reminds me off…Foles with more athleticism…he had a good offensive line in Division 1AA, but his main problem was slow decision making…a smart kid, knew the offense…but was slow in processing…
In the NFL, that can be a big problem
Sitting on the bench is not going to resolve that problem…he needs experience, he needs to play…
So if he fails and his confident sags we will see sammy
You sound like a retarded imbecile if you think the kid reminds you of foles. Have you only watched 3 quarterbacks in your life?
This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever read here. You gotta be some form of slow saying that dumb shit.
Lmfao this is unreal. You fuckin with people right?
You are such a putz.
Sorry….such a petulant angry putz. Eagles fan indeed…throwing his new QB (not some retread loser – but a brand new shiny draft pick) under the bus before he’s even donned a jersey.
Seriously man….you hated it when foles took a 1-4 team to the Playoffs. railed against it the entire way “Dallas Game!!”
And now you’re done yourself one better…screaming “Dallas Game!” before the kid has even stepped on the field.
I can;t wait till he throws his first pick, just to watch your head explode.
“Put him on the field!!!!!” Watch him improve over the course of the year like Mariotta nd Winston!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
That’s your line right??
You do know that both Mariotta and Winston struggled down the stretch don’t you? Or did you miss that??
Did you miss that their play got worse as the season continued, or did you just ignore it because it doesn;t fit your childish narrative?
Did you miss Mariotta having 13 tds to 5 ints by week 8…..and then fading badly over the second half??
Did you see his comp% decrease ? His TD rate decrease? His ints increase?? His sacks increase?
Did you see what happened to Winston over the last 6 weeks of the season? After his big game against the Birds??
Did you see his comp% decrease ? His TD rate decrease? His ints increase?? His sacks increase?
Those guys didn’t improve….they got worse….will this have a long term effect on them? I dunno. I don;t think so….but you never know.
So STFU “QB guru” because you know nothing? Some Qbs need some seasoning…some start right away.
But almost none succeed right away. The vast majority strggle mightily. Its to be expected.
but not from a petulant 13 year old like yourself. You’ll be screaming bloody murder the moment he takes his first sack.
Go put in a Falcons “highlight” tape from 2001 and be done with it.
Better yet…why don’t you go watch the tape of your hero folding like a little bitch in the 2004 NFC champ game getting beat by the QB who sat on the bench 2/3 of his first season learning.
And man…don’t go away mad…..just go away…..
Wentz nor Goff has been drafted, not in the league, not taken 1 snap in an NFL training camp and Smokescreen already has them as busts. You know he is greasing the skids, got the old koolbreeze book of complaints out…but, he is going to give the kid a shot, a fair chance…LMAO koolbreeze his perturbed right now, you can feel it..desperate and mad as he has been forced out of his delusional haze of Bradfraud fairy tale land.
It’s fine, because Wentz or Goff, whichever will step up and play very well..some bumps and bruises along the way when coach Pederson gets him in there..then kool will make up all kinds of excuses as to why the QB is playing well.
Do note that both Winston & Mariota hit that old Rookie Wall by December…
Remember all these Rookies doing their Bowl Games, Senoir Bowl Week, Training for Combine, then College Team workouts and then Individual Team Workouts and this is all by the Draft and then once Drafted they are off to a Rookie OTA’s and Team OTA’s and then ready for Summer Camp so sooner or later these Rookies bodies are just going to slow up & not be at peak performance… You look at a couple of Rookies who finished their Rookie Seasons Strong and you look at Atodd Gurley who did workout/practice in the Summer, and was held out the first 4-5 Games of the Rams Season and then went on to Win the ROY.. Look at the Panthers WR D afunchess who Bradley played the first half of his Season for it took him a while to learn the Playbook and then came on strong the final 6-8 Weeks of the Season…
It’s very difficult for Rookies to have a consistent strong Rookie Season as they have so much to learn while also learning how to take care of their bodies.. The smart ones pace themselves for a long Season and get stronger and stronger as they get more comfortable in their Roles ..
Kool,, aww damn you got me..I’m real scared, so nervous I don’t know what to do…LMAO at your juvenile post… psychology 101. Do you honestly realize how lame that post is…pathetic..smdh & laughing @ you @ the same time. Embarrassed for you!!
Carson Wentz will be a stud! Unlike you, I am willing to follow the plan that I laid out on March 10, yeah I reposted it, rather prophetic on my part.
You mad bro!!!
I’m with Kool. I want to see Carson Wentz play.
I have no interest in watching the dingy dunky Sam Bradford 1 yard passes ever again nor that little midget girlfriend QB of the new Head Coach.
You will see him play…as soon as the coach decides to put him in..maybe game 1. Maybe game 9…maybe game 13. Coach will do it when he is comfortable. I am happy knowing we are getting a young qb for the future.
I wonder if the Jets would trade rentals straight up.
Bradford for Wilkerson
2 years of a Starting NFL QB for a known amount of money for a guy that may give the Eagles one year and disappear.
I would just love to see Cox and Wilkerson side by side for a year.
They’re not trading Sam unfortunately. Howie said it and they’re just not gonna do it. And it makes no sense to, to get a 4th for him just isn’t worth it. Play him , pray he plays better than last year and get a 2nd for him next year.
ESPN Jets reporter Rich Cimini doesn’t see Sam Bradford as an option for New York.
The Jets have been getting nowhere in talks with Ryan Fitzpatrick and Bradford wants out of Philly after the Eagles traded up to draft his successor with the No. 2 pick. In theory, that would make the Eagles and Jets a perfect match. Of course, acquiring Bradford wouldn’t be that simple. He’s due $24 million over the next two seasons with $11 million guaranteed and trading for him would likely require New York to part with a third or fourth-round pick. Meanwhile, Philadelphia has no plans to trade Bradford and the Jets are still focused on re-signing Fitzpatrick. Bradford to the Jets is a pipe dream at this point. Apr 23 – 2:18 PM
I wish the Eagles the best of luck Thursday night. If the pick is Wentz I hope he turns out to be a great pro. Go birds.
There’s more and more chatter that the Rams are going to Select Wentz at #1 leaving Jared Goff for the Eagles who I am not as excited about ..
could you provide a link to that “chatter”?
Boomer Esiason said it
Charles White, Bucky Brooks of the NFL Channel
White states that the Rams and Jeff Fisher are going to follow the blue print for his best years which was Drafting a big physical QB from a Division 2 School who has the physical attributes, the leadership skills and the maturity to lead the Team. This is what attracted Fisher to QB Todd McNair some 20 + years ago and what he’s been trying to duplicate ever since.. Carson Wentz has more of these same characteristics of McNair over Jared Goff
Charles White also says the simplistic, Rush first offense of the Rams and the fact that they play in the most physical division (NFC West) requires that their QB be a Physical tough kid… Wentz checks off all the box for Jeff Fisher more than Jared Goff who most NFL Scouts would be better suited for a West-Coast Offense which Fisher & the Rams don’t do but that the Eagles and Pederson do run a variation of….
Maybe the Eagles were always after QB Jared Goff!!
I listened to Dave Spadaro Interview Howie Roseman after the trade. The interview is on the Eagles website. Roseman talked about being excited to have the opportunity to draft either Goff or Wentz, he discussed their attributes. But, I picked up on something specific Howie said as he was talking about Wentz that makes me believe they already know he is going to be their guy. I will not reveal what it is he said, if you want you can go onto the Eagles website and listen to it. You may catch it too.
Another interesting nugget, Howie said that the Eagles had been planning since January to move up in the draft. They wanted a QB. They had already looked at the 2017 and 2018 QB class was not interested in the prospects so they wanted to get one this year.
This shows that the plan was to bring in a rookie who could be the franchise QB. Signing Bradford was always just a stop gap plan. Bradford was NEVER EVER seen as “THEE GUY”. More of a plan B if they could not move up to get a QB. But the plan was to always move up and get the future franchise QB. So much for follow the money myth and the massive contract nonsense indicating Bradford was the franchise guy!
What a cliff hanger. Can you just post what he said? I’m out
You have to listen to it in it’s context, it’s not just a quote….by the way, love the avatar…very fitting!
people.
Speaking on WHIP Radio in Philadelphia, Esiason said he believes that the Los Angeles Rams will be taking Wentz with the No. 1 pick in the 2016 NFL Draft, and that will leave Cal quarterback Jared Goff to fall to the Eagles.
“The only reason I think they (did) it is because they (knew) Jared Goff would be there,” Esiason said. “That’s what I believe.”
Esiason is certainly in the minority thinking Wentz will go No. 1, as nearly every NFL reporter and analyst has either reported or said they think Goff will be going to the Rams.
One interesting tie Esiason has to the Eagles’ organization, however, is that he was college roommates with the team’s new offensive coordinator, Frank Reich.
Does Esiason know something nobody else does?
“I still think it’s going to be Wentz and then Goff,” Esiason said, “I think the Eagles would be ecstatic if that were the case.”
Most of the NFL Channel Guys say the same thing that Goff is more ready to play NFL QB for hisExperience and playing inanathletic Conference where the passing game is pretty wide openand so are the athletes on the field..
But these same guys all say Wentz is the better long-term QB due to his physicality, maturity and big arm and his ability to move better and to extend plays without legs which we all know happens about 20% of all Plays where a QB has to buy time and slip and slide through-out the Pocket..
NJ.com’s Jordan Raanan hears that there is a 99.9% chance the Rams select Cal QB Jared Goff with the first overall selection in the 2016 NFL Draft.
Not only does Raanan report that the Rams are 99.9% set on drafting Goff, he also wrote that “the entire league knows it.” We had heard previously that part of the reason the Eagles traded for the No. 2 pick is that they were already working off the expectation that the Rams would draft Goff. If everything unfolds as expected, the Eagles will be selecting North Dakota State QB Carson Wentz with that second pick.
The Rams held a private workout with Goff. It was raining during the workout. Reported that Goff ripped and performed so well throwing the ball in the inclement weather..that sold the Rams on Goff. They moved up to number 1 shortly after that workout. All this other talk is a true smokescreen to create suspense and intrigue for the draft.
I hope the Rams Select Goff at #1 as he can step right in and be their Starter Day 1 and then the Eagles can Select Wentz at #2 and Start the Grooming Process..
You know who Goff reminds me of coming out of College, believe it or not,
Sam Bradford.. They are built similar, have similar throwing mechanics and arm strength, rely on their quick release’s , but get them on the move and then they are not so good.. Many NFL Plays require that the QBbe able to throw on the move , it’s where many big plays occur when the Routes and Coverage is broken down and it’s keeping your eyes open downfield and making a play..
Settle down Paul.
I was on the Goff = Bradford train over 6 weeks ago. So if you want on, you have to buy a ticket.
Goff has never been injured, he is not a Mr. Glass.
It would be a total disaster if the Rams decided to stick it us and grab Wentz! It’s already a bad move and a terrible risk. It would get even worse by being stuck with Goff who played in that pop-gun, spread offense.
It is still a reckless gamble with both of the QB’s,but with Wentz we can see why a lot scouts and football people have fell in love with the kid. He does have all the physical tools and played in a pro-style offense as opposed to the gimmick offense that Goff played in where he never takes a snap from center. .
If you listened closely to Pederson, Wentz is clearly the guy he really likes..this is the guy he really wants…if the Rams take Wentz…its going to be a big blow.
Maybe there is chance…if the Rams stick it to us, we maybe able to trade out and recover what we have loss in this terrible move!
If the Rams grab Wentz…trade out would be the best move!
koolbreeze, The Eagles disagree with you assessments. Listen to the Dave Spadaro interview Howie Roseman on the Eagles website. They are comfortable drafting either one of the QB’s and will be happy with Wentz or Goff. Funny, now you prefer Wentz, who you called a more athletic Nick Foles. You’re all over the place, utterly confused, baffled, in complete disarray. Now that you’re coming out of your haze with your delusions of grandeur with Sam Bridgeford…I mean Sham Bradfraud, I mean Sam Bradford being the franchise QB with his massive mega-contract lean back and let the football experts take care of what happens with the QB position.
BTW, your boy Manziel was indicted on assault charges…great choice by you…glad Chip did not get your guy!!! What a disaster…for real!!!
…if the Rams take Wentz…its going to be a big blow.
Maybe there is chance…if the Rams stick it to us, we maybe able to trade out and recover what we have loss in this terrible move!
If the Rams grab Wentz…trade out would be the best move!..
LMAO, you are desperate, grasping at straws. Hoping and praying that somehow the Rams take Wentz, then the Eagles decide to trade out, although they have publicly stated that they will take either QB…translation..whichever QB the Rams don’t like. That’s how much they like both of them. They never would have traded into the second spot if this was not the case. Give it up kool, you are only swimming in quicksand, hanging onto a last shred of hope string . It’s over for you, you were wrong…completely wrong. Accept reality, there will be no trade backs, hope and pray all you want. It’s clear, the Eagles have rejected your assessment!!! The Eagle will take either Wentz or Goff and is fine with making both of them the future face of the franchise. Listen to the Howie interview on the Eagles website, he makes it clear…stop with the false hope, your only making yourself look more and more ridiculous!!!
Watched Fox Sports Sunday,Howard Eskin and Dave Spadaro discussed upcoming Eagles draft. Spadarro stated that the Eagles were never going to draft Ezikiel Elliot and all of the Zeke talk was the smokescreen put out by the Eagles.
Spadaro stated that he believes Goff goes to the Rams and Wentz is then drafted by the Eagles. Also, the plan is to sit Wentz for 2016.
In the 3rd round the Eagles will target an offensive or defensive lineman.
What??
10 mins ago Wentz was a “more athletic” Nick Foles who couldn’t make “quick decisions” on the field and was guaranteed to be a bust??
Now its a “disaster” if the Eagles aren’t going to get Wentz??
Give it a rest pretender.
You know little more than Jack and Shit.
Don your MV7 jersey. Cuddle your Mv7 bobblehead. Re-watch your 2001 MV7 “highlight” film and STFU already.
Oh….and don’t go away mad….just go away…….
Vinniedafool…why do you insist on lying, misrepresentation, and falsehood to put forth your pathetic position?
Never did I say it was “guaranteed” that Wentz, Goff, or any QB prospect in this draft would be a “bust”
I say they are NOT can’t miss prospects on the level of Andrew Luck or Jameis Winston…they are not….they can be bust…and Wentz had some of the same difficulties that Nick Foles had…except Wentz had it against Division 1 AA opponents…
He holds the ball too long, he doesn’t always make quick reads and decisions and has a QB who only threw 615 passes in his career and didn’t play QB in high school until he was a senior…that MAY bite him in the ass playing in the NFL.
He needs reps, experience…he needs to play!!
I dont care if he sits one year, two years, or three years…when he gets on the field he is going to struggle a bit, go through learning pains that all QB’s go through…and then we will see
Will he overcome…like the great QB’s do…or
will he be like your mancrush-Nick Foles…and fall completely apart under the pressure?
I DONT KNOW…and neither do the Eagles..and we gave up too much for such a risk!
Sam Bradford has not asked for a trade from the Philadelphia Eagles and has no plans to do so, two sources close to the quarterback have told Yahoo Sports.
While Philadelphia could still deal Bradford during the draft or ensuing offseason, the sources said Bradford is prepared to prove to the Eagles that he’s a franchise quarterback. He’ll embrace the challenge if he remains in Philadelphia, sources said, despite being upset that the team surrendered draft assets that could have helped him.
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As for the Eagles’ current quarterback designs, a league source said the team is ready to essentially redshirt a rookie quarterback next season, allowing him to learn and grow inside coach Doug Pederson’s offense. That player will likely be North Dakota State’s Carson Wentz, who is expected to be on the board for the Eagles at No. 2 overall. The Eagles carrying three quarterbacks – Bradford, Chase Daniel and Wentz – appears to be a requirement to secure a patient growth plan for Wentz. Should Bradford go down with injury next season, the Eagles would need a capable backup as an insurance policy against Wentz being forced into a starting role before he’s ready. That’s why the design calls for both veterans to remain.
Bradford hasn’t taken any steps to disrupt that, sources said. That’s not a surprising development, considering he’s set to earn $22 million guaranteed no matter what happens next season. Indeed, an argument could be made that Bradford is in an ideal situation. Not only does he have another highly paid season to prove to NFL teams that he remains an attractive commodity, but a strong season could turn him into an attractive trade chip in the 2017 offseason. Should that happen, it’s likely any team looking to acquire Bradford would want to negotiate a long-term extension beforehand.
Interesting…we will see…we will see!
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It’s also not out of the realm of possibility that Bradford plays well enough to convince the Eagles to keep him for the length of his full two-year contract. While it’s assumed Philadelphia will want to turn to Wentz in 2017, the Eagles will surely keep their options open if Bradford suddenly excels and creates a situation similar to the San Diego Chargers in 2004. That year, Drew Brees broke through as an elite player for the Chargers, despite the team having acquired Philip Rivers, the fourth overall pick in that season’s draft. While most assumed Brees’ 2004 season would be his last with the Chargers, the team ended up using the franchise tag to keep him an additional year, forcing Rivers to spend an additional season waiting in the wings.
That situation in San Diego provides some unique perspective into how next season’s quarterback mix could work for the Eagles. Most forget that in Rivers’ rookie season, the Chargers had both Brees and Doug Flutie ahead of Rivers on the depth chart. In Year 2, Rivers ascended to the backup spot behind Brees. Rivers then took the team over in 2006, after Brees departed to the New Orleans Saints via a lucrative free-agent contract.
While holding Wentz back for two seasons might not be the ideal situation for the Eagles, an NFL source said the team is more concerned with fostering his growth while also being competitive. Having Bradford and Daniel on the roster allows for both of those desires to be served in the interim. And if Wentz’s growth curve is more accelerated than expected, the Eagles will surely have opportunities to deal their veterans.
There is no indication that anyone is under pressure to break up the Eagles’ quarterback depth chart. Both Pederson and Eagles general manager Howie Roseman have strong job security, and there is every reason to believe that team owner Jeffrey Lurie has played a part in each step of this plan. At the moment, Bradford has $22 million guaranteed to keep him from forcing an issue and the motivation of history to believe he can still control his future
koolbreeze…Once again, you are completely baffled, confused, stumbling and bumbling!!!
Poor koolbreeze, you don’t know what to do…still in shock.
Lol, what’s the purpose of posting this story. Last week after the trade you were on here railing about how the Eagles have to trade Bradford.
I said no, the best thing is to let Bradford be the bridge QB, if he plays well then he will be an asset. Now you post this article that is stating what I said, which was antithetical to what you felt should happen regarding Bradford.
You’re all over the place koolbreeze, completely obfuscated and in a daze..lean back and hush Smokescreen..you were wrong!
That story shows your desperation..still grasping at straws, holding out hope, groping like a blind man in the dark, searching for a glimmer of light in a collasped cave…smdh! You are looking for anything to salvage what you blustered on here about relating to Sam Bradford..LMAO!!!